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    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD dna test companies
    2. Anne Sterling via
    3. All, I have tested with both 23andme and ftdna companies. Dr. Maurice Gleeson will tell you that ftdna has more people tested and therefore more possible matches. I have found some new relatives on 23and me, but all my family test subjects have been people who test with ftdna. I find their system easier to understand and better for comparisons. I have had my mother tested, for example, and when her great grandchildren are born it will be possible to see how much they match her. A great gran is on average 12.5% dna to a child, the same amount as a first cousin. Since it is a random process by which we are created, the amount by which we match varies. One of my cousin matches is 758 centimorgans and another is 1030 centimorgans . ( No, I am not rushing to the hospital the minute a baby is born, even if I would like to do so.) Anne in Ottawa

    04/06/2015 03:19:22
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Home DNA tests may affect insurance, employment
    2. John Olson-Kennedy via
    3. Hello Bonnie, FTDNA doesn't report any medical information, but the Family Finder autosomal DNA test does contain medically important data. You would have to download it from FTDNA and then upload the data to another site that interprets the DNA data and flags positive and negative traits. The following link is to a Beginner's Guide to Genetic Genealogy. I've found it very helpful and it includes a section on third party tools for medical traits: https://sites.google.com/site/wheatonsurname/beginners-guide-to-genetic-genealogy/lesson-16-using-third-party-tools-for-medical-implications As for the risks of this data in Canada, I really cannot say. In the US, there is already a law on the books to prevent insurance companies from using genetic data in coverage decisions. What's more, with the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), pre-existing conditions cannot be used to deny coverage. Could a Canadian insurance company take US-based FTDNA to court for access to your DNA, I really have no idea. I would think that FTDNA (and the other companies as well) would fight that as it would be bad press and scare off customers. 23andMe *is* definitely geared toward the medical side and only do genealogy as a side-business. According to their privacy policy, they only share aggregate or anonymous data with third parties, but this still makes many people nervous. As for the other tests... I haven't heard of any medical information being revealed as by the Y-DNA tests, but I have read that the mitochondrial DNA tests can. Alas, as with all tools, they come with certain dangers. John in NC On 2015/04/06 20:10 , Bonnie Anderson via wrote: > Can anyone comment on this? > Can the DNA tests results from FTDNA reveal anything regarding disease > or medical conditions. I have not seen anything in my results > Bonnie Anderson > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Bonnie Anderson via > <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> This is an issue brought to light by the CBC (the national broadcaster >> in Canada) and may or may not be an issue here or in other countries >> depending on the company and additional testing. >> >> http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/health/home-dna-tests-may-affect-insurance-employment-1.3018086 >> >> I had my autosomal & mitochondrial DNA tested by FTDNA. I am under >> the impression that this is for genealogical purposes only. I know >> that 23andMe will test for genes that helps you learn about your >> genetic health and traits in addition to family history. With FTDNA I >> can order further tests (factoids) that would reveal tendencies. >> Under My DNA go to other results / Factoid results. The statement there says: >> "When ordering or viewing your individual "Factoids", you acknowledge >> your understanding that these tests are based on studies - some of >> which may be controversial - and results are not intended to diagnose >> disease or medical conditions, therefore not serving the purpose of >> medical advice. They are offered exclusively for curiosity purposes, >> i.e. to see how your result compare with what the scientific papers >> say. Other genetic and environmental variables may also impact these >> same physiological characteristics. They are merely a conversational >> piece, or a "cocktail party" test, as we like to call it." >> >> I would like to know if there is an issue here regarding insurance >> companies. It might be the reason that most of my cousins have >> offered to do DNA testing. >> Thank you in advance, >> Bonnie Anderson, >> Kitchener, Ontario >> ================================== >> >> https://www.google.ie/ >> ================================== >> http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    04/06/2015 03:10:04
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Home DNA test sdo not affect insurance, employment
    2. Anne Sterling via
    3. Bonnie, Please do not be afraid. Familytreedna tests tell nothing about your health. I have at least 20 family members who have done the test. No one has had a problem. You are given a graph telling your "origins." You could be 20% Scandinavian and 80% British for example, but no one else even sees that info. You give an e-mail contact and your name is listed, but you could say you were Donald Duck if you wanted.( if you want privacy) I have listed all my family genealogy names so people can see how they might match up. I can see how much each known relative matches me, and have over 1000 matches in all. I am not sure how many of these people are related; but people I know have found "new" relatives and so have I. Some people have found 2nd cousins even. I have looked at a couple of my matches I have found on facebook( out of curiosity) and you can google a person's name if you wish. My e-mail is listed for the people for whom I have paid or who want me to administer their listing. e.g. relatives who are elderly and do not use a computer. I get queries from people about them, but at my e-mail address. It is very important to have the older people in your family tested, especially if they are one or two generations ahead of you. I have shown with a cousin 2 generations ahead of me that we are related to other Watterson families who left Fermanagh, Ireland in 1841 and 1848 for Pennsylvania and Ottawa Ontario area. You can see on which chromosome you match another person, but they do not tell what the chromosome is for. It just means you are a closer relative if the matching segment is longer. It does not tell what the chromosome 's attributes are. Please look at the You-tube video by Dr. Maurice Gleeson, an Irish medical doctor. It will explain a lot. Even if you do the 23andme test which has health info, no one sees it but you. We need more people on this forum to do the familytreedna test. It will help a great deal, as we have many brick walls and missing links. The familytreedna autosomal test emcompasses all your chromosomes except you "y" chromosome if you are male. The test even tells if you match another with your "x" chromosome, but that is too complicated to explain. The autosomal test is only $99.00 and worth every penny. Your results are in the system for perhaps 25 years(not sure exact number of years) The test involves a cheek swab, and elderly people need help. Three people I have tested a couple of years ago are no longer available to do the test. So it is important to do it asap. All for now. Anne Sterling Ottawa Canada -----Original Message----- From: Bonnie Anderson via Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 8:10 PM To: Bonnie Anderson ; FER-GOLD Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Home DNA tests may affect insurance, employment Can anyone comment on this? Can the DNA tests results from FTDNA reveal anything regarding disease or medical conditions. I have not seen anything in my results Bonnie Anderson On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Bonnie Anderson via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > This is an issue brought to light by the CBC (the national broadcaster > in Canada) and may or may not be an issue here or in other countries > depending on the company and additional testing. > > http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/health/home-dna-tests-may-affect-insurance-employment-1.3018086 > > I had my autosomal & mitochondrial DNA tested by FTDNA. I am under > the impression that this is for genealogical purposes only. I know > that 23andMe will test for genes that helps you learn about your > genetic health and traits in addition to family history. With FTDNA I > can order further tests (factoids) that would reveal tendencies. > Under My DNA go to other results / Factoid results. The statement there > says: > "When ordering or viewing your individual "Factoids", you acknowledge > your understanding that these tests are based on studies - some of > which may be controversial - and results are not intended to diagnose > disease or medical conditions, therefore not serving the purpose of > medical advice. They are offered exclusively for curiosity purposes, > i.e. to see how your result compare with what the scientific papers > say. Other genetic and environmental variables may also impact these > same physiological characteristics. They are merely a conversational > piece, or a "cocktail party" test, as we like to call it." > > I would like to know if there is an issue here regarding insurance > companies. It might be the reason that most of my cousins have > offered to do DNA testing. > Thank you in advance, > Bonnie Anderson, > Kitchener, Ontario > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/06/2015 03:05:55
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Home DNA tests may affect insurance, employment
    2. Bonnie Anderson via
    3. I found "Factoids" on the FTDNA site under My DNA go to other results / Factoid results. Bonnie On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Shirley Smith via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > familytreedna.com does not show medical results as far as I know, but I have never heard of Factoids. Are you leaving the familytreedna.com website when you click on Factoids? I read that the Food and Drug Administration told 23 and me that they had to stop doing medical tests. I also read that 23 and me was refusing to comply. You might google this to obtain more accurate information. Shirley > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Bonnie Anderson via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> > To: Bonnie Anderson <bmacheson@gmail.com>, FER-GOLD <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Home DNA tests may affect insurance, employment > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 20:10:47 -0400 > > Can anyone comment on this? > Can the DNA tests results from FTDNA reveal anything regarding disease > or medical conditions. I have not seen anything in my results > Bonnie Anderson

    04/06/2015 02:40:13
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Home DNA tests may affect insurance, employment
    2. Bonnie Anderson via
    3. Can anyone comment on this? Can the DNA tests results from FTDNA reveal anything regarding disease or medical conditions. I have not seen anything in my results Bonnie Anderson On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Bonnie Anderson via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > This is an issue brought to light by the CBC (the national broadcaster > in Canada) and may or may not be an issue here or in other countries > depending on the company and additional testing. > > http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/health/home-dna-tests-may-affect-insurance-employment-1.3018086 > > I had my autosomal & mitochondrial DNA tested by FTDNA. I am under > the impression that this is for genealogical purposes only. I know > that 23andMe will test for genes that helps you learn about your > genetic health and traits in addition to family history. With FTDNA I > can order further tests (factoids) that would reveal tendencies. > Under My DNA go to other results / Factoid results. The statement there says: > "When ordering or viewing your individual "Factoids", you acknowledge > your understanding that these tests are based on studies - some of > which may be controversial - and results are not intended to diagnose > disease or medical conditions, therefore not serving the purpose of > medical advice. They are offered exclusively for curiosity purposes, > i.e. to see how your result compare with what the scientific papers > say. Other genetic and environmental variables may also impact these > same physiological characteristics. They are merely a conversational > piece, or a "cocktail party" test, as we like to call it." > > I would like to know if there is an issue here regarding insurance > companies. It might be the reason that most of my cousins have > offered to do DNA testing. > Thank you in advance, > Bonnie Anderson, > Kitchener, Ontario > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/06/2015 02:10:47
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD FEE marriages & McHugh, Mcgoran, Dolan, Flanagan, Armstrong, Cassidy, MacGuire, McMahon, etc
    2. Marge Rossini via
    3. FEE marriages in New York City Marriage Records, 1866-1938 which include the above names either as spouse or parents. I only mentioned some of the names I remember being mentioned on Fer-Gold. There are many, many others! Here is the link: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=75&query=%2Bsurname%3AFee%20%2Bbirth_place%3AIreland&collection_id=2143225 Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare

    04/06/2015 07:23:54
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD Happy birthday vi
    2. Sandra G Hart via
    3. I hope you had a special day. from sandy who just arrived in sunny (and very hot!) Saigon from Angkor wat Sent from my iPhone

    04/06/2015 02:18:29
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Vi
    2. Viola Wiggins via
    3. Just rounded off the celebrations on the tiles at my nephews, with a family gathering of 12 young and old. The Bush was flowering and the meal superb. Even the Moon was shining large in the sky as I staggered home and I think I saw the stars. At least some of them. Catch you all tomorrow. Hugs Vi. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    04/05/2015 04:56:19
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD A final Thank you
    2. Dave H via
    3. I see Ancestry gave you the same birthday present as me.... aren't they very nice?? DH On 05/04/2015 12:31, Viola Wiggins via wrote: > I have been overwhelmed by the number of greetings arriving and all the lovelly sentiments expressed. > I really enjoy trying to help people on this list, and meeting with them if they visit Fermanagh. I call them my Golden Family. > The number of greetings I've had from members just amazed me, and they are too numerous to name individually. > So a big THANK YOU to everyone. > Love and hugs > Viola

    04/05/2015 02:27:05
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Vi
    2. Sally Factor via
    3. If it were possible I would join the matriarch!! Ellen what do you say?? Marge will only drive. Sally -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Viola Wiggins via Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2015 1:05 PM To: awildlaser2; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Vi Thank you I actually went to CHURCH with my sister. Tonight might hit the Tiles with my Gnephew who is home for Easter. Hugs Vi --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/05/2015 10:59:27
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD Moffitt, Knox, Clones
    2. CARELL via
    3. Marg, I also descend from Moff***s of Fermanagh, but mine came from Saloon in Magheracross and Makenny, the adjoining townland in Kilskeery, Tyrone. Like the Moffitts you are searching for, there were no surviving male lines for this family in NSW after 1916. I have found you have to search all spellings of this name..... I have found some possible records to add to those sent in by FG listers. Hope they help! Carole Elliott. [George is the son of Rev James MOFFITT, (Methodist) and Mary LOWRY abt 1810 to 9 Oct 1847. There are no surviving male MOFFITT lines in Australia. The grandfather James Moffitt, died 5 Jan 1877 at Knocks, Fermanagh. He was probably born abt 1807 What we need to know is about James Moffitt. Would his death or marriage show his parents? We feel the only viable line we will find, will be with any brothers of James.] Marg, a Robert Moffitt, Knox/Knocks, Clones...could he be your Rev. James' father?? http://applications.proni.gov.uk/LL_DCAL_PRONI_ECATNI/SearchPage.aspx 1796-1802 Freehold List, Co. Fermanagh Moffitt Robert, Knox, Clones, 1796 Public Record Office for Northern Ireland PRONI Reference : D1729 Level : Fond Access : Title : Reverend James Moffitt Papers Dates : 1858-1896 Description : 65 Letters. Correspondence re family affairs of Reverend James Moffitt, Knox, Clones, Co. Fermanagh, to his daughter, Jane Anne Graham, and also to her husband, Edward Graham, Melbourne, Australia; also letters from some friends of Jane Graham re her marriage and her home in Limerick. http://methodisthistoryireland.org/collections/catalogue-research-tools/online-catalogues/index-of-pwm-magazine-obituaries/ Moffitt James, Obituary, PWM Preacher, 4/1/1877...(Obituary, before death?? 5/1/1877)

    04/05/2015 07:52:26
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD A final Thank you
    2. Viola Wiggins via
    3. I have been overwhelmed by the number of greetings arriving and all the lovelly sentiments expressed. I really enjoy trying to help people on this list, and meeting with them if they visit Fermanagh. I call them my Golden Family. The number of greetings I've had from members just amazed me, and they are too numerous to name individually. So a big THANK YOU to everyone. Love and hugs Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    04/05/2015 06:31:46
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD MOFFITT, Knox, Clones GRAHAM
    2. Dave H via
    3. The statement JANE ANN MOFFAT married Edward GRAHAM on 12 Oct 1867 in St Peters, Dublin. is NOT true they married in St KEVIN's Church http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-45-3-18-119 DH On 05/04/2015 04:52, CARELL via wrote: > Marg, I also descend from Moff***s of Fermanagh, but mine came from > Saloon in Magheracross and Makenny, the adjoining townland in Kilskeery, Tyrone. > Like the Moffitts you are searching for, there were no surviving male lines for > this family in NSW after 1916. > I have found you have to search all spellings of this name..... > I have found some possible records to add to those sent in by FG listers. > Hope they help! > Carole Elliott.

    04/05/2015 05:19:14
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD ICRC PoW records
    2. DSA2003 via
    3. G’day Dave I think you may be thinking about the PoW records of the International Committee of the Red Cross. They’re on-line for free at: < http://grandeguerre.icrc.org/ > (I found my first cousin twice removed in them. Emil Kunde of Lübeck was captured at the Battle of Arras in 1917 and held in a PoW camp in Northamptonshire. Otto Kunde, my maternal grandfather was in the Royal Flying Corps at the time.) Regards David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia From: Dave H via Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 8:20 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Home DNA tests may affect insurance, employment As a matter of interest does anyone know what happened to the huge Red Cross records discovered about 3 years ago? From memory it was 2 or 3 million Medical cards no one knew about.... DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    04/05/2015 03:06:29
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Lt Harry Lowry MOFFITT died 1916 WW1
    2. marg o'leary via
    3. Harry had two sisters Mary and Ethel Ethel married Rev Herbert Williams, they had four children - one daughter who married but had no issue. So no dna there. Mary - I have not found a marriage or death for her. Marg -----Original Message----- From: Dave H via Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 8:07 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Lt Harry Lowry MOFFITT died 1916 WW1 Not sure how detailed Rev's death cert will be or his wife's.. It's only €4.00 so won't break the bank. Plus there's the descendant's of Rev's sister to follow up to see if any are around today. Plus.. Did Harry's sister marry a Graham in Ireland or Oz?? DH On 04/04/2015 22:49, marg o'leary via wrote: > > it was lovely to get up this Easter Sunday morning and find so much > interest in Harry. Have never had such a good set of replies. ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/05/2015 02:57:19
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Home DNA tests may affect insurance, employment
    2. marg o'leary via
    3. Hi again for the Fromelles soldiers the Australian army manages all the dna, we do the research, give our record charts and the contact deatils to them and they do everything from there on. It is done by a lab that holds the dna of the 250 soldiers and each time a sample is sent it is matched against all 250 deceased soldiers. it is entirely confidential under the army privacy laws, as no one get to see any of the results, even their own. Other methods of identifying the soldiers are also used as, at the time of exhumation each soldier was measured and wound evidence, new and old were noted. height, teeth, etc.... A lot of this was done by the Oxford Archeology group, Margaret Cox from Time Team if anyone is a Time Team fan. When the mass grave was discovered thousand came forward to donate dna and then families were allowed two MT female line samples and 2 Y male sampled. That solved about 50 of the soldiers, the other 200 are much more difficult, many with no relatives in Australia. 144 are now identified so we are into the tough end of it, looking for the last 106. and the army allows only one Y and one Mt sample now. When someone is identified they get their own gravest on, the rellies get to say what is o n it and they get a full military ceremony with rellies invited. Next ceremony will be on the 100th anniversary 19 July 2016. It sounds like a lot of time but we are hoping to get a many more identified by then. cheers marg -----Original Message----- From: Bonnie Anderson via Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 8:00 AM To: FER-GOLD Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Home DNA tests may affect insurance, employment This is an issue brought to light by the CBC (the national broadcaster in Canada) and may or may not be an issue here or in other countries depending on the company and additional testing. http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/health/home-dna-tests-may-affect-insurance-employment-1.3018086 I had my autosomal & mitochondrial DNA tested by FTDNA. I am under the impression that this is for genealogical purposes only. I know that 23andMe will test for genes that helps you learn about your genetic health and traits in addition to family history. With FTDNA I can order further tests (factoids) that would reveal tendencies. Under My DNA go to other results / Factoid results. The statement there says: "When ordering or viewing your individual "Factoids", you acknowledge your understanding that these tests are based on studies - some of which may be controversial - and results are not intended to diagnose disease or medical conditions, therefore not serving the purpose of medical advice. They are offered exclusively for curiosity purposes, i.e. to see how your result compare with what the scientific papers say. Other genetic and environmental variables may also impact these same physiological characteristics. They are merely a conversational piece, or a "cocktail party" test, as we like to call it." I would like to know if there is an issue here regarding insurance companies. It might be the reason that most of my cousins have offered to do DNA testing. Thank you in advance, Bonnie Anderson, Kitchener, Ontario ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/05/2015 02:25:06
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Lt Harry Lowry MOFFITT died 1916 WW1
    2. marg o'leary via
    3. and.... The dog tag story is very interesting. The Germans returned the tags (discs) and documentation on each of the 191 soldiers they buried in this grave plus about another 60 were in there with no docs. . The Aussie soldiers had two discs. One for the mates to collect from the bodies and one to stay with the body. The Germans most efficiently returned BOTH discs. What happened with the battle is that the Allies went across No mans land, some of them reached the German side in spite of heavy machine gun fire. The Germans were in big concrete bunkers and well built trenches on slightly dryer higher ground and the Allies were in muddy trenches in the swamp. The English commanders were blamed for the 5000 plus casualties - there are a lot of books and on line info. (The stretcher bearers with red crosses on their arms would go out to bring in wounded and the rules of war as they were, meant they were (hopefully) not fired on. The memorial statue at Fromelles is of one soldeir carrying another, based on a "dead" solderi who called "dont forget me cobber", to the first aid comrade. The school at Fromelles is called the Cobber's school and has always had support from Australia as it is there that the VC corner cemetery has been since the war with about 1500 unnamed soldiers.) . the book is also don't forget me cobber. The Germans wanted a truce to collect and bury all bodies (almost all were allies) - they were just mowing them down with ease, 19 July and daylight, and they called one of the stretcher bearers over to their side and asked him about organising a truce. He went and fetched an officer to discuss it and they returned to their commanding officer who went to the general, but the English commander refused. So the battle continued - the Germans victorious, and they ultimately buried those who had got to their side. Everyone back in their own trenches and continue the war. marg -----Original Message----- From: Viola Wiggins via Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:14 AM To: Dave H ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Lt Harry Lowry MOFFITT died 1916 WW1 Sandhurst was for Officer training. Harry was only 4 days with the 35th after being in Hospital twice with Dysemtry, when he was shot in the back of the head while trying to rescue his Commander. He fell over his Commander's body. A german soldier found his Dog Tag and reported his death. That is what puts the Flesh on the bones of an ancestor. But it takes time and patience to find it. The joy of finding such a story is rewarding to me, unconnected to Harry. Imagine what a thrill it would be to a person actually researching him.? Good old GOOGLE. Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/05/2015 02:09:55
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Lt Harry Lowry MOFFITT died 1916 WW1
    2. marg o'leary via
    3. Happy Easter to everyone it was lovely to get up this Easter Sunday morning and find so much interest in Harry. Have never had such a good set of replies. I have been researching Harry for a year or so, on and off and exhausted the Aussie end - and myself at times, put it away for a while and then come back to it as working on over 50 solders. If anyone has Aussie soldiers to research, ask us. We have all his military records etc that is where we start from, and have all his extended family in Australia, just trying to home in on his grandfather Moffitt looking for brothers or male cousins of James. we are also researching Harry's mother's side in England (Rebecca Susannah MINNS b 1852 Chelsea, London) and finding brick walls there also. Happy if anyone wants to have a go at that one. Fresh eyes find all sorts of variations. All help and ideas are great. We dearly need to find at least one side of Harry's dna. We work in family trees but also work in dna charts. (I can send a dna chart and full family tree to anyone off list, if interested) Harry's death was observed and recorded - see "Red cross missing and wounded" on line. he was seen falling dead across his deceased commanding officer who has been identified by DNA. So we have great hope of identifying Harry if we can find the dna trail. For those who are interested in WW1 and Harry. There is a BBC/ABC series called ANZAC GIRLS, it came out last year (from a book) - about Nurses in WW1. The heroine in this is Alice Ross KING. I had been researching Alice for her family, and was also researching Harry. No idea of a connection. Harry then pops into the series as the love interest. I thought at first it was a name coincidence, and then as the story developed, I thought they had taken a bit of license with my Harry as of course I knew he was going to die. But then spoke to the family and they said, no, its all in Alice's diary! All true. He was the one. There is now a face book made to 10 Aussies from the great war, it treats them as though they are living and you can ask them questions. Try this for Alice: https://www.facebook.com/anzaclivealice Also you can like all 10 characters and compare against the others on this page: http://www.anzaclive.com.au/ .cheers marg -----Original Message----- From: Viola Wiggins via Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 12:20 AM To: Viola Wiggins ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Lt Harry Lowry MOFFITT died 1916 WW1 Annother Google find https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=211224&printFormat=print Gives his military history Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/05/2015 01:49:12
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Lt Harry Lowry MOFFITT died 1916 WW1
    2. marg o'leary via
    3. That is his brother - unfortunately all his children died in infancy Marg -----Original Message----- From: Viola Wiggins via Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 10:12 PM To: Viola Wiggins ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Lt Harry Lowry MOFFITT died 1916 WW1 Found this entry on "Curious Fox website The peculiar name combination with Lowry as a given name looks like there may be a Lowry marriage somewhere in his ancestors, and is probably related to your Harry L Moffitt MOFFITT, John Thomas Lowry Born about 1840, Fermanagh, died 1923 Victoria Australia. Looking for any documentation of my great grandfather. Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/05/2015 01:25:47
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD ICRC PoW records
    2. Dave H via
    3. I'm not sure David, these were "postcards" noting treatments given by Red Cross which were discovered about 3 years ago. Just saw item on news at the time. Dave On 05/04/2015 02:06, DSA2003 wrote: > G’day Dave > I think you may be thinking about the PoW records of the International > Committee of the Red Cross. They’re on-line for free at: > < http://grandeguerre.icrc.org/ > > (I found my first cousin twice removed in them. Emil Kunde of Lübeck > was captured at the Battle of Arras in 1917 and held in a PoW camp in > Northamptonshire. Otto Kunde, my maternal grandfather was in the Royal > Flying Corps at the time.) > Regards > David Armstrong > Maylands > Western Australia

    04/04/2015 08:11:12