It was THE LIMERICK CLUE ..... .........that made that MOFFITT of FERMANAGH findable!!! For those who came in late to this line of research..... This is where the Limerick clue was found. Public Record Office for Northern Ireland PRONI Reference :D1729 Level :Fond Access : Title :Reverend James Moffitt Papers Dates :1858-1896 Description :65 Letters. Correspondence re family affairs of Reverend James Moffitt, Knox, Clones, Co. Fermanagh, to his daughter, Jane Anne Graham, and also to her husband, Edward Graham, Melbourne, Australia; also letters from some friends of Jane Graham re her marriage and her home in LIMERICK.

Thank you Dave, sorry for being so thick, but I do now get it!! Marg -----Original Message----- From: Dave H via Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 8:59 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD MOFFITT, Knox, Clones GRAHAM You do have the Marriage Cert.. I posted the link to the image of it!! and that's proof! On 10/04/2015 09:53, marg o'leary wrote: > Sorry, but I don't have that marriage certificate. > > I know some info from Ancestry trees, but that isn't proof. ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marg Robert & Gloria @ Ulster Ancestry are wonderful and I can definitely recommend their services. Best Wishes Robyn, NSW, Australia -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of marg o'leary via Sent: Friday, 10 April 2015 14:01 To: Dave H; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD MOFFITT, Knox, Clones GRAHAM Thanks for all the help with Harry Moffitt Am organising to get some certs. Am also going to try ULSTER ANCESTRY could anyone advice an equivalent place for help with a Tipperary soldier? Marg -----Original Message----- From: Dave H via Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 8:19 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD MOFFITT, Knox, Clones GRAHAM The statement JANE ANN MOFFAT married Edward GRAHAM on 12 Oct 1867 in St Peters, Dublin. is NOT true they married in St KEVIN's Church http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName =d-45-3-18-119 DH On 05/04/2015 04:52, CARELL via wrote: > Marg, I also descend from Moff***s of Fermanagh, but mine came from > Saloon in Magheracross and Makenny, the adjoining townland in > Kilskeery, Tyrone. > Like the Moffitts you are searching for, there were no surviving male > lines for this family in NSW after 1916. > I have found you have to search all spellings of this name..... > I have found some possible records to add to those sent in by FG listers. > Hope they help! > Carole Elliott. ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, but I don't have that marriage certificate. I know some info from Ancestry trees, but that isn't proof. and although you keep mentioning the rev's sister, I have no idea what you are talking about. I would be most grateful if you could clarify. I am not an expert, I am asking for help I really am sinking a little here. Thanks marg -----Original Message----- From: Dave H via Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 5:50 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD MOFFITT, Knox, Clones GRAHAM Well there are plenty of places incl http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php, Great War Forum etc and depending on which way in time you want to go... Looks like you already had that Marriage Cert and as has been said many times one is better off disclosing what they have as it saves others using up their time and Internet allowance looking for things already known and also easier to find things based on what is known.. It wouldn't take a genius to find Moffatt descendants around today especially those of the Rev's sister and am surprised the Methodist archives didn't say who the Rev's parents were or the address he was at when he entered training.... As for an equivalent place... there isn't anything close to FG!! Tipperary I believe is pretty tightly "controlled" by the Genealogy centre there using RootsIreland stuff which you can read up on and decide for yourself on reliability..... http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=670189.0 Civil Reg Indices are back on line again, plus there are the Irish records on LDS, all the RC Parish records are due for release shortly which will be massive!! The cost an initial ASSESSMENT is €150.00 at Genealogy centre here and you're looking at almost €400 and that's just for Male line http://www.leitrimroots.com/research-services/index.html for stuff that is online (Census, Griffiths, Tithes, Pension Apps, etc etc) and records coming on line.. so you'll need a big budget if you have a few to do.. Given that the male line is what you get then you'll need brothers for the Rev if any... whereas you won't get the Rev's sister's line which is easier to follow. You have the Rev's career... were there any write up of the Parishes he was at? I found one on mine and wrote to Parish who then told me where he went and within 3 days I had 6 generations right up to present incl. g/stones in Canada just by following clues, Census etc.... There is just so much on line now it's almost impossible not to find people but some counties like Tipp keep records very inaccessible to people and I think Cavan is the same... "you pay up or else!" One problem you have is that Irish people don't like making it known that one of theirs was in the British Army despite 1000's dying during the War.... If you are only looking for descendants who were Irish and died as recently as 1915 then all that should be on line.. same if they were born after Civil Reg and there were kin left in Ireland... Just based on the Rev's sister that line is a doddle up to 1936 and online stuff after that is limited for many reasons... finding the Rev's g/stone (and there probably is one!) could be very beneficial if one knew where he was buried so Kabristan might be worth checking... as are Moffett letters! DH On 10/04/2015 05:00, marg o'leary wrote: > Thanks for all the help with Harry Moffitt > > Am organising to get some certs. Am also going to try ULSTER ANCESTRY > > could anyone advice an equivalent place for help with a Tipperary soldier? > > Marg ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Indeed Carole.... and WITHOUT THE CLUE one would be looking for a Moffatt marriage at bride's Parish IN Fermanagh!! Even if one then looks at the marriage in DUBLIN... there is NO mention of Fermanagh!! Many married in Dublin, using temporary addresses! The marriage was found using MOFFITT and LIMERICK as search term BECAUSE OF THE CLUES.... Similarly....The KEYWORD/CLUE on the Will is GORTBRANNON!! THAT KEYWORD/CLUE is also included in 'THE LURGANBOY" WILL... tying the 2 families together WITH SOURCES... So one is up to 1911 Census.... With no Census after 1911 for Northern Ireland what other sources are there??? IGP in this case, probably PRONI too.. Further thanks then needs to go to person who donated a little time to take photos that might help others... and then further thanks to person who transcribed them... and then further thanks to Chris for hosting the website on which the photos and text are hosted. WHY take photos of modern g/stones?? To fill in the gap from Census to present time!! ...and shows WHY it is important for people visiting g/yards to take some photos to donate to make researching work, like in this example! DH On 10/04/2015 13:57, CARELL via wrote: > It was THE LIMERICK CLUE ..... > > .........that made that MOFFITT of FERMANAGH findable!!! > > For those who came in late to this line of research..... > This is where the Limerick clue was found. > > Public Record Office for Northern Ireland > PRONI Reference :D1729 > Level :Fond > Access : > Title :Reverend James Moffitt Papers > Dates :1858-1896 > Description :65 Letters. Correspondence re family affairs of Reverend James Moffitt, Knox, Clones, Co. Fermanagh, > to his daughter, Jane Anne Graham, and also to her husband, Edward Graham, Melbourne, Australia; > also letters from some friends of Jane Graham re her marriage and her home in LIMERICK.

Thanks for all the help with Harry Moffitt Am organising to get some certs. Am also going to try ULSTER ANCESTRY could anyone advice an equivalent place for help with a Tipperary soldier? Marg -----Original Message----- From: Dave H via Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 8:19 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD MOFFITT, Knox, Clones GRAHAM The statement JANE ANN MOFFAT married Edward GRAHAM on 12 Oct 1867 in St Peters, Dublin. is NOT true they married in St KEVIN's Church http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-45-3-18-119 DH On 05/04/2015 04:52, CARELL via wrote: > Marg, I also descend from Moff***s of Fermanagh, but mine came from > Saloon in Magheracross and Makenny, the adjoining townland in Kilskeery, > Tyrone. > Like the Moffitts you are searching for, there were no surviving male > lines for > this family in NSW after 1916. > I have found you have to search all spellings of this name..... > I have found some possible records to add to those sent in by FG listers. > Hope they help! > Carole Elliott. ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anyone out there with a connection to the Cowan family of Clonkeen/Glenkeen? I have been sent an 1838 indenture, drawn up at the time of a proposed marriage, between a Cowan and a Elliott. This indenture also refers to the 1770 Archdale lease, renewable forever, of land at Clonkeen, to the Cowan family. Other names in the identure mentioned are.... Gerard/Gerald McGregor, John Smyth of Pettigoe and William Elliott. If you have a connection to Clonkeen or the Cowan family or any of the names mentioned, please contact me. Thanks, Carole E.

No problem and it was another FG poster who mentioned LIMERICK that made it easy to find! THAT is why it is IMPORTANT to reveal ALL KNOWN CLUES... and why it has been said many times. OK you didn't have that clue BUT many many posters leave out things LIKE THAT because THEY think them irrelevant... It was THE LIMERICK CLUE ..... .........that made that MOFFITT of FERMANAGH findable!!! DH On 10/04/2015 12:06, marg o'leary wrote: > > Thank you Dave, sorry for being so thick, but I do now get it!! > > Marg

You do have the Marriage Cert.. I posted the link to the image of it!! and that's proof! On 10/04/2015 09:53, marg o'leary wrote: > Sorry, but I don't have that marriage certificate. > > I know some info from Ancestry trees, but that isn't proof.

OK.. to follow on There are only 2 houses in Gortbannon!! FACT as per Census! So... this Will of Alex BROWN of Lurganboy leaving stuff to his Nephew Wm Henry BROWN of Gortbrannon (G/STONE on IGP?) and his nephew John James BUSSELL of Garooskey, (possible g/stone Clones!) niece Mary Jane MAGUIRE of Newtownbutler etc etc etc gets one an almost full Family tree THAT ARE RELATED not only back another generation plus I'M SURE THE 1901/1911 Census will fatten out these families!! http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=212615 PLUS these might also have made Wills?? Did Wm Henry BROWN of Gortbrannon make one?? PLUS the g/stones on IGP could easily fatten out the lines for the Browns http://search.freefind.com/find.html?pageid=r&id=13812782&query=Brown&ics=1&s=fermanaghstones&fr=0 as the connection between LURGANBOY and GORTBRANNON IS CONFIRMED!! Then all one needs to do is contact a living BROWN descendant whose gg gran was a Moffitt who might know if there are any little Moffitts playing gleefully today in the green hills of Fermanagh :-)) Genealogy is so simple to do...just follow the clues. Dave

Just doing it from memory... he only mentions the 2 sons and dau Mrs Graham on his will and his niece, so as she is a Brown, his niece, then by deduction....his sister must have married a Brown. Quote from http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=172467 "to my niece Elixa Brown, of Gortbrannon, my watch, the bed I use in Knox".. etc etc, from there on 1901 Census you get them, then a subsequent Will one of the Browns from Lurganboy inherited, so then one has to look at Census for them in Lurganboy for the "inheritors".. and from what I THINK.. that inheritor's g/stone is on IGP. and there are these Lurganboy Browns who MIGHT be same/related Browns of Lurganboy http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/photos/tombstones/fermanagh-galloon-st-comgall/target30.html http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/photos/tombstones/fermanagh-galloon-st-comgall/target29.html http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/photos/tombstones/fermanagh-galloon-st-comgall/target28.html The houses in Dublin had to be sold so he must have been well off and probably has a g/stone. A later Brown Will shows another Brown from another townland inheriting that farm. On 10/04/2015 09:53, marg o'leary wrote: > Sorry, but I don't have that marriage certificate. > > I know some info from Ancestry trees, but that isn't proof. > > and although you keep mentioning the rev's sister, I have no idea what > you are talking about. I would be most grateful if you could clarify. > > I am not an expert, I am asking for help > > I really am sinking a little here. > > Thanks > > marg

Well there are plenty of places incl http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php, Great War Forum etc and depending on which way in time you want to go... Looks like you already had that Marriage Cert and as has been said many times one is better off disclosing what they have as it saves others using up their time and Internet allowance looking for things already known and also easier to find things based on what is known.. It wouldn't take a genius to find Moffatt descendants around today especially those of the Rev's sister and am surprised the Methodist archives didn't say who the Rev's parents were or the address he was at when he entered training.... As for an equivalent place... there isn't anything close to FG!! Tipperary I believe is pretty tightly "controlled" by the Genealogy centre there using RootsIreland stuff which you can read up on and decide for yourself on reliability..... http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=670189.0 Civil Reg Indices are back on line again, plus there are the Irish records on LDS, all the RC Parish records are due for release shortly which will be massive!! The cost an initial ASSESSMENT is €150.00 at Genealogy centre here and you're looking at almost €400 and that's just for Male line http://www.leitrimroots.com/research-services/index.html for stuff that is online (Census, Griffiths, Tithes, Pension Apps, etc etc) and records coming on line.. so you'll need a big budget if you have a few to do.. Given that the male line is what you get then you'll need brothers for the Rev if any... whereas you won't get the Rev's sister's line which is easier to follow. You have the Rev's career... were there any write up of the Parishes he was at? I found one on mine and wrote to Parish who then told me where he went and within 3 days I had 6 generations right up to present incl. g/stones in Canada just by following clues, Census etc.... There is just so much on line now it's almost impossible not to find people but some counties like Tipp keep records very inaccessible to people and I think Cavan is the same... "you pay up or else!" One problem you have is that Irish people don't like making it known that one of theirs was in the British Army despite 1000's dying during the War.... If you are only looking for descendants who were Irish and died as recently as 1915 then all that should be on line.. same if they were born after Civil Reg and there were kin left in Ireland... Just based on the Rev's sister that line is a doddle up to 1936 and online stuff after that is limited for many reasons... finding the Rev's g/stone (and there probably is one!) could be very beneficial if one knew where he was buried so Kabristan might be worth checking... as are Moffett letters! DH On 10/04/2015 05:00, marg o'leary wrote: > Thanks for all the help with Harry Moffitt > > Am organising to get some certs. Am also going to try ULSTER ANCESTRY > > could anyone advice an equivalent place for help with a Tipperary soldier? > > Marg

I have seen both Foy and Fay more in Cavan than Fermanagh and Fee more in Fermanagh. Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Dee Byster-Graham <deebg@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Thank you so much, Marge, > > I have kept the site and will study it in detail as soon as my eyes allow. > All the names you mention are also connected extensively in Ireland too - > like my Mitchell and Henderson connection in Scotland from very early days > also continued in Australia until fairly recently. > Fee is especially interesting, it appears to be on a par with Hoy and Foy > in my extended family. > > Kindly, > Dee. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marge Rossini via > Sent: Tuesday, 7 April 2015 6:24 AM > To: fermanagh-gold > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD FEE marriages & McHugh, Mcgoran, Dolan, Flanagan, > Armstrong, Cassidy, MacGuire, McMahon, etc > > FEE marriages in New York City Marriage Records, 1866-1938 which include > the above names either as spouse or parents. I only mentioned some of the > names I remember being mentioned on Fer-Gold. There are many, many others! > Here is the link: > > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=75&query=%2Bsurname%3AFee%20%2Bbirth_place%3AIreland&collection_id=2143225 > > Slán, > Marge in Southern California > > Searching: > Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry > Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in > Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, > Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Actually, Saskatchewan is not the only place in Canada.  The little town of Creston in eastern British Columbia, has never practised daylight savings time.  The only place in BC with any common sense!  The switch to DST every year is too hard on the body and other systems.  North America now seems to be in the process of shortening standard time and lengthening daylight savings time.  Why we don't just cut it out altogether and simply adjust our lives to doing everything earlier, is beyond my comprehension. Linda Ford On Sunday, March 29, 2015 5:24 PM, Viola Wiggins via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: As we grow up, we are cocooned within our own local areas. It never entered our thoughts as to how people on the opposite side of the world lived in relation to our lives. Only when I started tracing my ancestors did I become aware as to what conditions were like for them. It has been very interesting learning through this forum, how the daylight saving seems to have been universal. Thank you everyone. Viola ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is a bit like that When I am organising for someone to do this for the army to help identify a soldier, we only get one shot at it so don't need any contaminations eg dog and cat out of the room, (mine would want to help) and not to mention the wee grandchildren who might want to also "help" No contaminations allowed. the one I did, it had two swabs, one for each cheek and eight hours apart. cheers Marg -----Original Message----- From: Viola Wiggins via Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:45 PM To: Anne Sterling ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD dna test companies Anne I can just picture you at the bedside, all smocked and masked, with a Q tip in your gloved hand. Vi > All, > > I have tested with both 23andme and ftdna companies. Dr. Maurice Gleeson > will tell you that ftdna has more people tested and therefore more > possible matches. I have found some new relatives on 23and me, but all my > family test subjects have been people who test with ftdna. I find their > system easier to understand and better for comparisons. > I have had my mother tested, for example, and when her great grandchildren > are born it will be possible to see how much they match her. A great gran > is on average 12.5% dna to a child, the same amount as a first cousin. > Since it is a random process by which we are created, the amount by which > we match varies. One of my cousin matches is 758 centimorgans and another > is 1030 centimorgans . ( No, I am not rushing to the hospital the minute a > baby is born, even if I would like to do so.) > Anne in Ottawa > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much, Marge, I have kept the site and will study it in detail as soon as my eyes allow. All the names you mention are also connected extensively in Ireland too - like my Mitchell and Henderson connection in Scotland from very early days also continued in Australia until fairly recently. Fee is especially interesting, it appears to be on a par with Hoy and Foy in my extended family. Kindly, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marge Rossini via Sent: Tuesday, 7 April 2015 6:24 AM To: fermanagh-gold Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD FEE marriages & McHugh, Mcgoran, Dolan, Flanagan, Armstrong, Cassidy, MacGuire, McMahon, etc FEE marriages in New York City Marriage Records, 1866-1938 which include the above names either as spouse or parents. I only mentioned some of the names I remember being mentioned on Fer-Gold. There are many, many others! Here is the link: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=75&query=%2Bsurname%3AFee%20%2Bbirth_place%3AIreland&collection_id=2143225 Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anne I can just picture you at the bedside, all smocked and masked, with a Q tip in your gloved hand. Vi > All, > > I have tested with both 23andme and ftdna companies. Dr. Maurice Gleeson > will tell you that ftdna has more people tested and therefore more > possible matches. I have found some new relatives on 23and me, but all my > family test subjects have been people who test with ftdna. I find their > system easier to understand and better for comparisons. > I have had my mother tested, for example, and when her great grandchildren > are born it will be possible to see how much they match her. A great gran > is on average 12.5% dna to a child, the same amount as a first cousin. > Since it is a random process by which we are created, the amount by which > we match varies. One of my cousin matches is 758 centimorgans and another > is 1030 centimorgans . ( No, I am not rushing to the hospital the minute a > baby is born, even if I would like to do so.) > Anne in Ottawa > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Canada's CBC series, Marketplace, recently did a comparison of popular health-oriented DNA tests, and found them inconsistent with one another. http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2014-2015/dna-testing-gene-genie Linda Ford On Monday, April 6, 2015 6:20 PM, Cliff. Johnston via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: Bonnie, FTDNA has a separate group of these tests that can be ordered at an additional cost.  It should be on their site online. Good hunting, Cliff.     On Monday, April 6, 2015 8:11 PM, John Olson-Kennedy via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote:   Hello Bonnie, FTDNA doesn't report any medical information, but the Family Finder autosomal DNA test does contain medically important data. You would have to download it from FTDNA and then upload the data to another site that interprets the DNA data and flags positive and negative traits.  The following link is to a Beginner's Guide to Genetic Genealogy.  I've found it very helpful and it includes a section on third party tools for medical traits: https://sites.google.com/site/wheatonsurname/beginners-guide-to-genetic-genealogy/lesson-16-using-third-party-tools-for-medical-implications As for the risks of this data in Canada, I really cannot say.  In the US, there is already a law on the books to prevent insurance companies from using genetic data in coverage decisions.  What's more, with the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), pre-existing conditions cannot be used to deny coverage.  Could a Canadian insurance company take US-based FTDNA to court for access to your DNA, I really have no idea.  I would think that FTDNA (and the other companies as well) would fight that as it would be bad press and scare off customers. 23andMe *is* definitely geared toward the medical side and only do genealogy as a side-business.  According to their privacy policy, they only share aggregate or anonymous data with third parties, but this still makes many people nervous. As for the other tests... I haven't heard of any medical information being revealed as by the Y-DNA tests, but I have read that the mitochondrial DNA tests can. Alas, as with all tools, they come with certain dangers. John in NC On 2015/04/06 20:10 , Bonnie Anderson via wrote: > Can anyone comment on this? > Can the DNA tests results from FTDNA reveal anything regarding disease > or medical conditions.  I have not seen anything in my results > Bonnie Anderson > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Bonnie Anderson via > <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> This is an issue brought to light by the CBC (the national broadcaster >> in Canada) and may or may not be an issue here or in other countries >> depending on the company and additional testing. >> >> http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/health/home-dna-tests-may-affect-insurance-employment-1.3018086 >> >> I had my autosomal & mitochondrial DNA tested by FTDNA.  I am under >> the impression that this is for genealogical purposes only.  I know >> that 23andMe will test for genes that helps you learn about your >> genetic health and traits in addition to family history.  With FTDNA I >> can order further tests (factoids) that would reveal tendencies. >> Under My DNA go to other results / Factoid results.  The statement there says: >> "When ordering or viewing your individual "Factoids", you acknowledge >> your understanding that these tests are based on studies - some of >> which may be controversial - and results are not intended to diagnose >> disease or medical conditions, therefore not serving the purpose of >> medical advice. They are offered exclusively for curiosity purposes, >> i.e. to see how your result compare with what the scientific papers >> say. Other genetic and environmental variables may also impact these >> same physiological characteristics. They are merely a conversational >> piece, or a "cocktail party" test, as we like to call it." >> >> I would like to know if there is an issue here regarding insurance >> companies.  It might be the reason that most of my cousins have >> offered to do DNA testing. >> Thank you in advance, >> Bonnie Anderson, >> Kitchener, Ontario >> ================================== >> >> https://www.google.ie/ >> ================================== >> http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bonnie, FTDNA has a separate group of these tests that can be ordered at an additional cost.  It should be on their site online. Good hunting, Cliff. On Monday, April 6, 2015 8:11 PM, John Olson-Kennedy via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Bonnie, FTDNA doesn't report any medical information, but the Family Finder autosomal DNA test does contain medically important data. You would have to download it from FTDNA and then upload the data to another site that interprets the DNA data and flags positive and negative traits.  The following link is to a Beginner's Guide to Genetic Genealogy.  I've found it very helpful and it includes a section on third party tools for medical traits: https://sites.google.com/site/wheatonsurname/beginners-guide-to-genetic-genealogy/lesson-16-using-third-party-tools-for-medical-implications As for the risks of this data in Canada, I really cannot say.  In the US, there is already a law on the books to prevent insurance companies from using genetic data in coverage decisions.  What's more, with the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), pre-existing conditions cannot be used to deny coverage.  Could a Canadian insurance company take US-based FTDNA to court for access to your DNA, I really have no idea.  I would think that FTDNA (and the other companies as well) would fight that as it would be bad press and scare off customers. 23andMe *is* definitely geared toward the medical side and only do genealogy as a side-business.  According to their privacy policy, they only share aggregate or anonymous data with third parties, but this still makes many people nervous. As for the other tests... I haven't heard of any medical information being revealed as by the Y-DNA tests, but I have read that the mitochondrial DNA tests can. Alas, as with all tools, they come with certain dangers. John in NC On 2015/04/06 20:10 , Bonnie Anderson via wrote: > Can anyone comment on this? > Can the DNA tests results from FTDNA reveal anything regarding disease > or medical conditions.  I have not seen anything in my results > Bonnie Anderson > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Bonnie Anderson via > <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> This is an issue brought to light by the CBC (the national broadcaster >> in Canada) and may or may not be an issue here or in other countries >> depending on the company and additional testing. >> >> http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/health/home-dna-tests-may-affect-insurance-employment-1.3018086 >> >> I had my autosomal & mitochondrial DNA tested by FTDNA.  I am under >> the impression that this is for genealogical purposes only.  I know >> that 23andMe will test for genes that helps you learn about your >> genetic health and traits in addition to family history.  With FTDNA I >> can order further tests (factoids) that would reveal tendencies. >> Under My DNA go to other results / Factoid results.  The statement there says: >> "When ordering or viewing your individual "Factoids", you acknowledge >> your understanding that these tests are based on studies - some of >> which may be controversial - and results are not intended to diagnose >> disease or medical conditions, therefore not serving the purpose of >> medical advice. They are offered exclusively for curiosity purposes, >> i.e. to see how your result compare with what the scientific papers >> say. Other genetic and environmental variables may also impact these >> same physiological characteristics. They are merely a conversational >> piece, or a "cocktail party" test, as we like to call it." >> >> I would like to know if there is an issue here regarding insurance >> companies.  It might be the reason that most of my cousins have >> offered to do DNA testing. >> Thank you in advance, >> Bonnie Anderson, >> Kitchener, Ontario >> ================================== >> >> https://www.google.ie/ >> ================================== >> http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

familytreedna.com does not show medical results as far as I know, but I have never heard of Factoids. Are you leaving the familytreedna.com website when you click on Factoids? I read that the Food and Drug Administration told 23 and me that they had to stop doing medical tests. I also read that 23 and me was refusing to comply. You might google this to obtain more accurate information. Shirley ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Bonnie Anderson via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: Bonnie Anderson <bmacheson@gmail.com>, FER-GOLD <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Home DNA tests may affect insurance, employment Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 20:10:47 -0400 Can anyone comment on this? Can the DNA tests results from FTDNA reveal anything regarding disease or medical conditions. I have not seen anything in my results Bonnie Anderson On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Bonnie Anderson via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > This is an issue brought to light by the CBC (the national broadcaster > in Canada) and may or may not be an issue here or in other countries > depending on the company and additional testing. > > http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/health/home-dna-tests-may-affect-insurance-employment-1.3018086 > > I had my autosomal & mitochondrial DNA tested by FTDNA. I am under > the impression that this is for genealogical purposes only. I know > that 23andMe will test for genes that helps you learn about your > genetic health and traits in addition to family history. With FTDNA I > can order further tests (factoids) that would reveal tendencies. > Under My DNA go to other results / Factoid results. The statement there says: > "When ordering or viewing your individual "Factoids", you acknowledge > your understanding that these tests are based on studies - some of > which may be controversial - and results are not intended to diagnose > disease or medical conditions, therefore not serving the purpose of > medical advice. They are offered exclusively for curiosity purposes, > i.e. to see how your result compare with what the scientific papers > say. Other genetic and environmental variables may also impact these > same physiological characteristics. They are merely a conversational > piece, or a "cocktail party" test, as we like to call it." > > I would like to know if there is an issue here regarding insurance > companies. It might be the reason that most of my cousins have > offered to do DNA testing. > Thank you in advance, > Bonnie Anderson, > Kitchener, Ontario > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message