Thank you Viola this is all helpful. I really appreciate you taking the time to give me some tips. It seems like this area is difficult to navigate from a genealogy perspective. I guess this could be expected due famines, wars, fires, etc. Stephen J. Maguire Send from A Mobile Device > On Apr 26, 2015, at 6:02 PM, Viola Wiggins <viola.wiggins@tesco.net> wrote: > > Stephen > This is the link to the National Archives of Ireland Index to the Tithe Applotment books Search page. > titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search > Click on Leitrim, then Cloonclare and search for MAGUIRE that gives 83 records for that name listed for 1835. Those records give the heads of family of occupiers of more than one acre of productive land liable to pay Tithe to the Established Church. > Carl and I did meet the when he visited Fermanagh and he is an experienced researcher. > The more information we have regarding your ancestor while he lived in Ireland helps us to help you. > I researched Methodist Churches in Cloonclare Parish Manorhamilton > http://methodisthistoryireland.org/index-of-irish-methodist-churches/ > > > Methodist Churchs > Drumkeerin (Drumkeeran) Manorhamilton Leitrim Built in 1838 CHC.iii.261 re opening - by 1897 it was in very bad state. > > Sold 1961-62 for £150. Mins 1962 > > > > > Manorhamilton I P W Manorhamilton Leitrim Cloonclare 1792 Sold 1879 > > Manorhamilton II Manorhamilton Leitrim Sold (with hall, stables and old Manse) in 1963 for £2,000 and replaced by new church and hall. Mins 1963 p.81. > > Moneenlum Schoolhouse Manorhamilton Leitrim Cloonclare Built in 1866 Opened 25 April 1866 [Irish Evangelist April 1866 p.48] PRONI 2/103 > > NOTE > There were two of Methodism The Primitative Methodists, [PMC] retained their link with the Established church. Church of Ireland. > The Charles Wesley [WM] followers established the second > Most of the PMC records, before civil registration, will be found in Ch of Ireland records, But PM records are mostly retained by that Movement, usually in local custody. > After Civil registration Events [BMDs] were recorded within their own Church [Referred to in Ireland as Preaching Houses] but the local Registrar had to be informed or Present at the event. Thay is why Some Marriages or Baptisms are recorded twice at different venues, or in the case of my own Gt Uncle in different Counties. > Clooneclare Parish extended down as far as the Fermanagh Border and in actual fact Letterbreen is included within that parish because the same minister served in both places at one time. So you are moving yourr family and Carl's closer together.I have copies this to Carl. > Hope that helps you > Viola > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com >

Stephen You've given conflicting information there between Subject line and in the body of the post. Do you mean 'History' or 'Heritage' ? as you mention both. Carl Maguire, on this list, connects with MAGUIRE in the Mullaghden area so you should conferr with him [I am certain he'll pick up on your first post regards the DNA] Viola > > I came across a "Tracing your Irish ancestor conference" being run by the > Ulster Heritage Foundation. > Can anyone offer experiences with this > organization? > Stephen J. Maguire > Send from A Mobile Device --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hello, Stephen, be sure to search the website and Archives of this Fermanagh-Gold list. You will find people have posted information about many Maguires. McGuires, etc.http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NIR/FERMANAGH-GOLD.html Shirley On 26/04/2015 11:16, Stephen Maguire via wrote: >> A new friend suggested that I subscribe to this list. He and I share a Y111 DNA link and have the same surname, Maguire. His genealogy has take him to Mullaghdun in Fermanagh co. >> >> I am researching my immigrant 2nd great Grandfather Andrew Maguire, and his family, who arrived in Boston, MA USA, in 1850. >> >> All the information below comes from records that I found in Boston. >> Andrew Maguire, b abt 1818 >> Rebecca McKee (McGee) Maguire, b abt. 1822 ( her Parents Magaret Stevenson and Robert McKee (McGee)) >> Rebecca b abt 1843 >> Robert b abt 1845 >> My great grandfather Andrew John Maguire was born in December 1850 >> Andrew John Maguire was associated with the Methodist Episcopal Church in Boston for all of his life. >> >> The best lead in Ireland is a Baptism Record for Robert from Roots Ireland >> >> It was a baptismal record for Robert Maguire >> 15 Jun 1846 >> Address = Manorhamilton >> Parish/District = Cloonclare Church Of Ireland >> county= Leitrim >> Father Andrew Maguire >> Mother Rebecca (no maiden name) >> You can see that all of the information on the record is consistent with what I know of my immigrants. I would like to find more evidence to be sure though and to expand what I know. >> > There is also an old family lore story of a "7 arch bridge, on each for 7 brothers". Carl Maguire helped locate such a bridge for me yesterday, through this list. The bridge was over the Maguire River in Fermanagh. > > My sister in law is planning a trip over soon. I'm hoping she will be able to spend time researching at the Representative Church Body Library, in Dublin. The lists and tables I find on the web indicate that records of interest for Cloonclare and Manorhamilton may have survived the 1922 fire. > >> Thank you for any help you can give. I figured it was worth an introductory email just in case someone reading has already been researching the people I am searching for. >> >> Stephen J. Maguire >> Grafton, MA >> > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cloonclare should be photographed on IGP. If you are going to Manorhamilton then go into Library, there are centenary type books on churches etc which wouldn't be mainstream books and most sold locally. If you go in door, look at back wall and you'll see air conditioning unit on wall just to your left.. on the floor you'll find a cardboard box in which you get write ups on the various churches and many contain historical data/photos/registers etc.. If you go to https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z4jK0F7lRWYA.ksan6tldN8HQ&msa=0&ll=54.305194,-8.172798&spn=0.004776,0.013078 you'll see a crossroads (at R280) library on corner! Opposite Library you'll see chinese takeaway restaurant... Old Cloonclare g/yard is down the hill and you'll see it from corner behind chinese.. you'll need wellies!! (or rather your sis in law will!!) Maguire is rather a POPULAR name around!! DH On 26/04/2015 11:16, Stephen Maguire via wrote: >> A new friend suggested that I subscribe to this list. He and I share a Y111 DNA link and have the same surname, Maguire. His genealogy has take him to Mullaghdun in Fermanagh co. >> >> I am researching my immigrant 2nd great Grandfather Andrew Maguire, and his family, who arrived in Boston, MA USA, in 1850. >> >> All the information below comes from records that I found in Boston. >> Andrew Maguire, b abt 1818 >> Rebecca McKee (McGee) Maguire, b abt. 1822 ( her Parents Magaret Stevenson and Robert McKee (McGee)) >> Rebecca b abt 1843 >> Robert b abt 1845 >> My great grandfather Andrew John Maguire was born in December 1850 >> Andrew John Maguire was associated with the Methodist Episcopal Church in Boston for all of his life. >> >> The best lead in Ireland is a Baptism Record for Robert from Roots Ireland >> >> It was a baptismal record for Robert Maguire >> 15 Jun 1846 >> Address = Manorhamilton >> Parish/District = Cloonclare Church Of Ireland >> county= Leitrim >> Father Andrew Maguire >> Mother Rebecca (no maiden name) >> You can see that all of the information on the record is consistent with what I know of my immigrants. I would like to find more evidence to be sure though and to expand what I know. >> > There is also an old family lore story of a "7 arch bridge, on each for 7 brothers". Carl Maguire helped locate such a bridge for me yesterday, through this list. The bridge was over the Maguire River in Fermanagh. > > My sister in law is planning a trip over soon. I'm hoping she will be able to spend time researching at the Representative Church Body Library, in Dublin. The lists and tables I find on the web indicate that records of interest for Cloonclare and Manorhamilton may have survived the 1922 fire. > >> Thank you for any help you can give. I figured it was worth an introductory email just in case someone reading has already been researching the people I am searching for. >> >> Stephen J. Maguire >> Grafton, MA >> > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Strange you mention Roslea... it was around there that there was a house which the border ran through. The front of house was in Republic and back of house in N.I. and a lot of stuff was "interchanged" in that house. If N.I police raided everyone just went into front rooms.. in Gardai raided everyone went to back rooms and as we know the 2 didn't work together. Haven't checked that site, just thought it was good to show how one member of a family could live in one county and another in next field be in another county. DH On 25/04/2015 21:26, John Olson-Kennedy wrote: > Hello Dave, > > Thanks so much for sending that link! I almost didn't click on it, > but I'm extremely happy that I did! The Boarder Roads to Memories & > Reconciliation website contains dozens of interviews with local people > who provide their experiences with the boarder over the years, from > the fond memories of childhood smuggling of a bit of bread to the > later and much darker days of The Troubles. There's even a 25 minute > documentary on how the closing of so many crossing points around > Roslea/Rosslea had such a negative impact to the economies on both > County Fermanagh and County Monaghan. > http://www.borderroadmemories.com/search-border-crossings/individual-crossing/?id=bc103 > > > John in NC --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

http://celticquest.net/files/CQ2015-Dublin-Brochure.pdf http://moughty.com/2015-irish-research-trip/ Again, it seems my ancestors came from the border area of co Leitrum and co. Fermanagh. They were Church of Ireland Maguires. Relative church records are likely at the Reprentative Church Body Library in Dublin. Stephen J. Maguire Send from A Mobile Device

Ulster Historical Foundation is running the trip that I was looking at. Stephen J. Maguire Send from A Mobile Device > On Apr 26, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Viola Wiggins <viola.wiggins@tesco.net> wrote: > > Stephen > You've given conflicting information there between Subject line and in the body of the post. > Do you mean 'History' or 'Heritage' ? as you mention both. > Carl Maguire, on this list, connects with MAGUIRE in the Mullaghden area so you should conferr with him [I am certain he'll pick up on your first post regards the DNA] > Viola >> >> I came across a "Tracing your Irish ancestor conference" being run by the Ulster Heritage Foundation. > Can anyone offer experiences with this organization? >> Stephen J. Maguire >> Send from A Mobile Device > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com >

G’day Linda Here’s the link to the Family Search Wiki article on Probate in Ireland. < https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Ireland_Probate_Records > (Family Search Wiki is a growing encyclopædia about records useful for family history research). The location of pre-1858 Probate Records for Ireland (and England) depends upon where the testator owned property. Pre-1858, Probate was handled by the church courts, the lowest level of which was the Archdeacon’s Court where land was owned in a single archdeaconry. If land was owned in more than one archdeaconry within the same diocese, then it went to the Diocesan Consistory Court (i.e. the Bishop’s Court). If more than one Diocese was involved, then it was handled by the Archdiocese, i.e. in Ireland, Prerogative Court of Armagh. If more than one Archdiocese was involved, e.g. where land was owned in Ireland and England, or Ireland and the colonies of the British Empire, then probate was handled by the Prerogative Consistory Court of Canterbury. On top of that, you have “Peculiars” which are parishes outside the regular jurisdictional boundaries, and have the right to administer probate within their jurisdiction. Happy hunting David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia From: Linda Ford via Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:34 AM This is not about Fermanagh, but I hope someone can point me in the right direction. I have found the Calendar of Wills site at the National Archives of Ireland:http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/index.jsp But where would I look for a will that predates 1858? Is there an internet site? Should I be contacting the National Archives? I am looking for the will of Patrick Burtchaell who probably died 18 September and was buried 20 September 1845 at Wells. I'm not sure whether that would be Kilkenny or Carlow, because it appears the parish straddles the border. Anyway, I would like to locate at least a listing of his will and don't know where to start to look. Thank you for whatever hints you can give me. Linda Ford --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hello, I came across a "Tracing your Irish ancestor conference" being run by the Ulster Heritage Foundation. It seems to base out of Dublin. They have September and October trips in 2015. They assist you with research at the PRONI, Archives, etc as well as run some day trips of historical interest. Can anyone offer experiences with this organization? Stephen J. Maguire Send from A Mobile Device

> A new friend suggested that I subscribe to this list. He and I share a Y111 DNA link and have the same surname, Maguire. His genealogy has take him to Mullaghdun in Fermanagh co. > > I am researching my immigrant 2nd great Grandfather Andrew Maguire, and his family, who arrived in Boston, MA USA, in 1850. > > All the information below comes from records that I found in Boston. > Andrew Maguire, b abt 1818 > Rebecca McKee (McGee) Maguire, b abt. 1822 ( her Parents Magaret Stevenson and Robert McKee (McGee)) > Rebecca b abt 1843 > Robert b abt 1845 > My great grandfather Andrew John Maguire was born in December 1850 > Andrew John Maguire was associated with the Methodist Episcopal Church in Boston for all of his life. > > The best lead in Ireland is a Baptism Record for Robert from Roots Ireland > > It was a baptismal record for Robert Maguire > 15 Jun 1846 > Address = Manorhamilton > Parish/District = Cloonclare Church Of Ireland > county= Leitrim > Father Andrew Maguire > Mother Rebecca (no maiden name) > You can see that all of the information on the record is consistent with what I know of my immigrants. I would like to find more evidence to be sure though and to expand what I know. > There is also an old family lore story of a "7 arch bridge, on each for 7 brothers". Carl Maguire helped locate such a bridge for me yesterday, through this list. The bridge was over the Maguire River in Fermanagh. My sister in law is planning a trip over soon. I'm hoping she will be able to spend time researching at the Representative Church Body Library, in Dublin. The lists and tables I find on the web indicate that records of interest for Cloonclare and Manorhamilton may have survived the 1922 fire. > Thank you for any help you can give. I figured it was worth an introductory email just in case someone reading has already been researching the people I am searching for. > > Stephen J. Maguire > Grafton, MA >

This is not about Fermanagh, but I hope someone can point me in the right direction. I have found the Calendar of Wills site at the National Archives of Ireland:http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/index.jsp But where would I look for a will that predates 1858?  Is there an internet site? Should I be contacting the National Archives?  I am looking for the will of Patrick Burtchaell who probably died 18 September and was buried 20 September 1845 at Wells.  I'm not sure whether that would be Kilkenny or Carlow, because it appears the parish straddles the border. Anyway, I would like to locate at least a listing of his will and don't know where to start to look.  Thank you for whatever hints you can give me. Linda Ford

Sent from my iPad > > Carl, > My friend Google found a mention of "A substantial structure" describing a seven arch bridge in Aghalucher. This is the link. > Viola > http://ukga.org/ireland/Fermanagh/towns/Aghalurcher.html

Apparently it crosses the River Finn. Vi Sent from my iPad > On 25 Apr 2015, at 04:07, Carl Maguire via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Not exactly genealogy related yet... > Might be though. > Is there/was there a seven arch bridge in Co. Fermanagh? > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks once again Vi. Its a clue for another Maguire searcher who might be distantly related to me. His family lore speaks of a bridge like that and it might be a clue as to where his family came from. Love Carl On 2015-04-25, at 11:36 AM, Viola Wiggins via wrote: > > > Sent from my iPad > > >> >> Carl, >> My friend Google found a mention of "A substantial structure" describing a seven arch bridge in Aghalucher. This is the link. >> Viola >> http://ukga.org/ireland/Fermanagh/towns/Aghalurcher.html > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Dave, Thanks so much for sending that link! I almost didn't click on it, but I'm extremely happy that I did! The Boarder Roads to Memories & Reconciliation website contains dozens of interviews with local people who provide their experiences with the boarder over the years, from the fond memories of childhood smuggling of a bit of bread to the later and much darker days of The Troubles. There's even a 25 minute documentary on how the closing of so many crossing points around Roslea/Rosslea had such a negative impact to the economies on both County Fermanagh and County Monaghan. http://www.borderroadmemories.com/search-border-crossings/individual-crossing/?id=bc103 John in NC On 2015/04/25 03:20 , Dave H via wrote: > While not answering your question Carl I did come across this site.. > http://www.borderroadmemories.com/image-galleries/?keyword&county=Fermanagh&bordertype&imagetype > > Many people will drive these roads on not spot anything.. I can see it > plainly in most!! > > What am I on about?? The county line! > > In many of these you can clearly see where one county ends and next > starts and into which one doing research should really look at... > > Where does one county end and next start?? Just look at the difference > on road surface!! or where road markings end, or where weeds in middle > of road stops... > > With that in mind one should clearly see how simple it was for one > person to live in one county and a son etc in next and even today these > are where Republic of Ireland ends and Northern Ireland starts and you > can clearly see the high security border controls, passport controllers, > high security fences and how difficult it is to get from one county to > next and it would have been just as difficult for one's kin.. > > .. the first one shows Fermanagh/Monaghan and you can see how simple it > is for one to be in Monaghan and an ancestor in Fermanagh, or to have > land in both etc. > > DH (bridgehunting!) > > > > > > > > On 25/04/2015 04:07, Carl Maguire via wrote: >> Not exactly genealogy related yet... >> Might be though. >> Is there/was there a seven arch bridge in Co. Fermanagh? > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Apr 25, 2015 2:34 PM, "Viola Wiggins via" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Apparently it crosses the River Finn. > Vi > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 25 Apr 2015, at 04:07, Carl Maguire via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > > Not exactly genealogy related yet... > > Might be though. > > Is there/was there a seven arch bridge in Co. Fermanagh? > > ================================== > > > > https://www.google.ie/ > > ================================== > > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

While not answering your question Carl I did come across this site.. http://www.borderroadmemories.com/image-galleries/?keyword&county=Fermanagh&bordertype&imagetype Many people will drive these roads on not spot anything.. I can see it plainly in most!! What am I on about?? The county line! In many of these you can clearly see where one county ends and next starts and into which one doing research should really look at... Where does one county end and next start?? Just look at the difference on road surface!! or where road markings end, or where weeds in middle of road stops... With that in mind one should clearly see how simple it was for one person to live in one county and a son etc in next and even today these are where Republic of Ireland ends and Northern Ireland starts and you can clearly see the high security border controls, passport controllers, high security fences and how difficult it is to get from one county to next and it would have been just as difficult for one's kin.. .. the first one shows Fermanagh/Monaghan and you can see how simple it is for one to be in Monaghan and an ancestor in Fermanagh, or to have land in both etc. DH (bridgehunting!) On 25/04/2015 04:07, Carl Maguire via wrote: > Not exactly genealogy related yet... > Might be though. > Is there/was there a seven arch bridge in Co. Fermanagh? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Not exactly genealogy related yet... Might be though. Is there/was there a seven arch bridge in Co. Fermanagh?

While searching the Parish Chest website for St John the Baptist Church, Toxteth, Lancashire England for my own relatives baptisms I found the following baptisms for one complete family of John Smith a Warehouseman, and Sarah ? of Wellington Road, Toxteth. All baptised on 17th Feb 1861. Sarah. Mary Ann. Eliza. William. Charles Frederick. Henry, & Alice. I think those seven children most unlikely in 1861 to all have the same birthdate. Which is a reminder for researchers to not assume that baptisms took place shortly after birth. That mass baptism might have been due to a change of faith from Presbyterian or Methodist to Anglican Ch of England. Around that period in time there was a charge for each entry in the Register. I do hope that John managed to negotiate a discount for a bulk service. If each child had two or three Godparents a few front Pews would have been fully occupied on that day. Viola Sent from my iPad

CARRELL sorry about the typo > Farrell Vi --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com