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    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Grrrrr.... oh the things I have to do for people on FG.....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
    2. Valerie Ackroyd via
    3. Family names and spelling are so interesting! Like you, I look at the old headstones and the spellings and wonder who really IS related to whom. My Scottish family name is Campbell and we come from the area around Dingwall in Ross & Cromarty. But I am sure we took on the name of the clan way back when after the Campbells emerged victorious from the latest battle. Rather like converting to Protestantism or Catholicism to save being burnt to death. Maybe our original name was Ding or Wall. Val, who definitely DOES need her Diet Coke now and dog needs her prance around the park Sent from my iPad > On May 14, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Vice versa Val. The place was named after them Magauran's > town/Ballymagauran and they were there long before counties came into > existence. > > Dave. > > enjoy your diet Coke!! > > > >> On 14/05/2015 16:45, Valerie Ackroyd via wrote: >> A lovely blonde eh DH?? Hmmm I am sorry but I will not weep into my Diet Coke for you. >> >> I wonder--do you think the McGovern family took their name from that area or vice versa? >> >> Val, who just transcribed a load of McGovern headstones--but they were in Sligo > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/14/2015 02:59:57
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD Fwd: Digest, Vol 10, Issue 183
    2. Veronica Williams via
    3. > I found a Buchanan in Tyrone on Irish Place names.http://www.irish-place-names.com <http://www.irish-place-names.com/> > > Townland - Tattykeel (Buchanan) > Barony: Omagh East > Civil PArish: Drumagh > Poor Law Union: Omagh > Regards Veronica http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Coat-12

    05/14/2015 02:54:06
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Fw: Town of Buchanan? BRICKANA?
    2. Dave H via
    3. No problem Linda, nearest I can find! Yes the logainm site is excellent in that you can find a known location and then zoom in to get not just a map but placenames quite close by. I do a print screen of the map and put that on their ancestry profile... then if one marries I put that in too if different. So you just don't get a list of placenames but where they all were. DH On 14/05/2015 01:09, Linda Ford wrote: > Hi Dave, > > I had just found Bruckana, too, by searching on that site you gave > me. Sure sounds close, doesn't it? I've written to my cousin who is > more directly descended from Archdall Burtchaell and Maria Doyle, for > his opinion. He's been to Kilkenny and Carlow and tramped all over > the area and made many contacts. I'm quite excited about this. > > Having never been to Ireland myself, I have no idea about why Wells > would have only on townland. > > Thanks again for all your assistance. > > Linda --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    05/14/2015 02:51:43
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Grrrrr.... oh the things I have to do for people on FG.....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
    2. Valerie Ackroyd via
    3. A lovely blonde eh DH?? Hmmm I am sorry but I will not weep into my Diet Coke for you. I wonder--do you think the McGovern family took their name from that area or vice versa? Val, who just transcribed a load of McGovern headstones--but they were in Sligo > > On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Oh things have really gone bad!! >> >> I had to spend over half an hour in Ballinamore talking to a lovely >> blonde girl about Ballymagauran and all because of people on FG!!! >> >> >> Most definitely it is pronounced Ballymagovern regardless of how the >> spelling goes... I trust someone on FG will feel really guilty about >> what they have put me through today! >> >> Thank you. >> DH

    05/14/2015 02:45:08
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD basic Baxter information part one
    2. Kathleen Baxter via
    3. I may have made a mistake. Unfortunately, I make mistakes. I will get to this today, I promise! Kathy On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > So the Patk of Drumliff who died 7 Aug 1919 isn't yours?? > > > Details > > > Deceased SurnameBaxter > Deceased ForenamePatrick > Primary Beneficiary/ExecutorJohn Baxter > Date of Death7 Aug 1919 > County of DeathFermanagh > > > On 13/05/2015 16:31, Kathleen Baxter via wrote: > > Patrick died December 1909 son John born in 1873. I believe that he is > the > > man who wrote the letter. > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kathy

    05/14/2015 01:46:57
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Fw: Town of Buchanan? BRICKANA?
    2. Linda Ford via
    3. Well, Dave, I don't see any Doyles or Burtchaells on Griffiths or the Tithe Applotments Books for Bruckana.  Is that a clear indication they weren't there? Nor did I find any Doyles in Brandondale, although of course the Burtchaells are there. Linda Ford Griffith's Valuation |   | |   | |   |   |   |   |   | | Griffith's ValuationResults of your search In the results table below... Click the 'occupants' icon to see who lived in the locality. | | | | View on www.askaboutireland.ie | Preview by Yahoo | | | |   | On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 5:09 PM, Linda Ford via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi Dave, I had just found Bruckana, too, by searching on that site you gave me.  Sure sounds close, doesn't it?  I've written to my cousin who is more directly descended from Archdall Burtchaell and Maria Doyle, for his opinion.  He's been to Kilkenny and Carlow and tramped all over the area and made many contacts.  I'm quite excited about this. Having never been to Ireland myself, I have no idea about why Wells would have only on townland. Thanks again for all your assistance. Linda       On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 3:29 PM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote:   That should read:  Any idea of why Wells Parish  only has 1 townland?? On 13/05/2015 22:52, Dave H wrote: > Now that is interesting!! > > First time I've ever come across a Parish of one townland!! > > What was Wells?  Well's Parish has only one townland... > > If you go to http://www.logainm.ie/en/27021 and Zoom in slowly and let > each one load you'll see Paulstown!  Then if you hit the + again to > next zoom there is a Brickana to the West. > > Could that be what you're looking for? > > Any idea of why Wells only has 1 Parish?? > > DH > > On 13/05/2015 21:02, Linda Ford via wrote: >> Thanks to all of you for your helpful hints.  I'm going to search all >> the spots to which you've referred me.  That should keep me occupied >> for awhile! >> I'm looking at a photocopy of the original, and it clearly doesn't >> say Brandondale, but that doesn't mean it wasn't misunderstood, >> misspoken or miswritten in the first place.  I'm certainly aware of >> Brandondale House; have known of it since I was about nine years >> old.  Always thought my ancestors were born there, but now am not >> sure.  They may have been born in Wells in Carlow. >> In the case of Maria Doyle, however, if she were born at Brandondale, >> it would have to be to one of the hired help. Would workers actually >> have lived on the property in the mid-1800s?  Wouldn't they rather >> have lived in Graigue-na-managh? >> >> About the Griffiths citations, as I understand the role of the >> Burtchaells (as originally told to me by family researcher Fr Jim >> Burtchaell), they were essentially land agents for Viscount Clifden.  >> The Griffiths listings seem to indicate that they rented from Clifden >> and then sublet to tenants. (I remember asking Fr Jim if they were >> responsible for burning people out of their cottages, etc., during >> the famine.) >> Linda Ford >> >> >> --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/13/2015 08:26:46
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Fwd: Digest, Vol 10, Issue 183
    2. Dave H via
    3. The search is for somewhere in Kilkenny/Carlow On 13/05/2015 23:54, Veronica Williams via wrote: >> I found a Buchanan in Tyrone on Irish Place names.http://www.irish-place-names.com <http://www.irish-place-names.com/> >> >> Townland - Tattykeel (Buchanan) >> Barony: Omagh East >> Civil PArish: Drumagh >> Poor Law Union: Omagh >> > Regards > Veronica > http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Coat-12 > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    05/13/2015 06:23:47
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD Fw: Town of Buchanan? BRICKANA?
    2. Linda Ford via
    3. Hi Dave, I had just found Bruckana, too, by searching on that site you gave me.  Sure sounds close, doesn't it?  I've written to my cousin who is more directly descended from Archdall Burtchaell and Maria Doyle, for his opinion.  He's been to Kilkenny and Carlow and tramped all over the area and made many contacts.  I'm quite excited about this. Having never been to Ireland myself, I have no idea about why Wells would have only on townland. Thanks again for all your assistance. Linda On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 3:29 PM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: That should read:  Any idea of why Wells Parish  only has 1 townland?? On 13/05/2015 22:52, Dave H wrote: > Now that is interesting!! > > First time I've ever come across a Parish of one townland!! > > What was Wells?  Well's Parish has only one townland... > > If you go to http://www.logainm.ie/en/27021 and Zoom in slowly and let > each one load you'll see Paulstown!  Then if you hit the + again to > next zoom there is a Brickana to the West. > > Could that be what you're looking for? > > Any idea of why Wells only has 1 Parish?? > > DH > > On 13/05/2015 21:02, Linda Ford via wrote: >> Thanks to all of you for your helpful hints.  I'm going to search all >> the spots to which you've referred me.  That should keep me occupied >> for awhile! >> I'm looking at a photocopy of the original, and it clearly doesn't >> say Brandondale, but that doesn't mean it wasn't misunderstood, >> misspoken or miswritten in the first place.  I'm certainly aware of >> Brandondale House; have known of it since I was about nine years >> old.  Always thought my ancestors were born there, but now am not >> sure.  They may have been born in Wells in Carlow. >> In the case of Maria Doyle, however, if she were born at Brandondale, >> it would have to be to one of the hired help. Would workers actually >> have lived on the property in the mid-1800s?  Wouldn't they rather >> have lived in Graigue-na-managh? >> >> About the Griffiths citations, as I understand the role of the >> Burtchaells (as originally told to me by family researcher Fr Jim >> Burtchaell), they were essentially land agents for Viscount Clifden.  >> The Griffiths listings seem to indicate that they rented from Clifden >> and then sublet to tenants. (I remember asking Fr Jim if they were >> responsible for burning people out of their cottages, etc., during >> the famine.) >> Linda Ford >> >> >> --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/13/2015 06:09:20
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Town of Buchanan? BRICKANA?
    2. Dave H via
    3. That should read: Any idea of why Wells Parish only has 1 townland?? On 13/05/2015 22:52, Dave H wrote: > Now that is interesting!! > > First time I've ever come across a Parish of one townland!! > > What was Wells? Well's Parish has only one townland... > > If you go to http://www.logainm.ie/en/27021 and Zoom in slowly and let > each one load you'll see Paulstown! Then if you hit the + again to > next zoom there is a Brickana to the West. > > Could that be what you're looking for? > > Any idea of why Wells only has 1 Parish?? > > DH > > On 13/05/2015 21:02, Linda Ford via wrote: >> Thanks to all of you for your helpful hints. I'm going to search all >> the spots to which you've referred me. That should keep me occupied >> for awhile! >> I'm looking at a photocopy of the original, and it clearly doesn't >> say Brandondale, but that doesn't mean it wasn't misunderstood, >> misspoken or miswritten in the first place. I'm certainly aware of >> Brandondale House; have known of it since I was about nine years >> old. Always thought my ancestors were born there, but now am not >> sure. They may have been born in Wells in Carlow. >> In the case of Maria Doyle, however, if she were born at Brandondale, >> it would have to be to one of the hired help. Would workers actually >> have lived on the property in the mid-1800s? Wouldn't they rather >> have lived in Graigue-na-managh? >> >> About the Griffiths citations, as I understand the role of the >> Burtchaells (as originally told to me by family researcher Fr Jim >> Burtchaell), they were essentially land agents for Viscount Clifden. >> The Griffiths listings seem to indicate that they rented from Clifden >> and then sublet to tenants. (I remember asking Fr Jim if they were >> responsible for burning people out of their cottages, etc., during >> the famine.) >> Linda Ford >> >> >> --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    05/13/2015 05:27:47
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Town of Buchanan?
    2. Dave H via
    3. Now that is interesting!! First time I've ever come across a Parish of one townland!! What was Wells? Well's Parish has only one townland... If you go to http://www.logainm.ie/en/27021 and Zoom in slowly and let each one load you'll see Paulstown! Then if you hit the + again to next zoom there is a Brickana to the West. Could that be what you're looking for? Any idea of why Wells only has 1 Parish?? DH On 13/05/2015 21:02, Linda Ford via wrote: > Thanks to all of you for your helpful hints. I'm going to search all the spots to which you've referred me. That should keep me occupied for awhile! > I'm looking at a photocopy of the original, and it clearly doesn't say Brandondale, but that doesn't mean it wasn't misunderstood, misspoken or miswritten in the first place. I'm certainly aware of Brandondale House; have known of it since I was about nine years old. Always thought my ancestors were born there, but now am not sure. They may have been born in Wells in Carlow. > In the case of Maria Doyle, however, if she were born at Brandondale, it would have to be to one of the hired help. Would workers actually have lived on the property in the mid-1800s? Wouldn't they rather have lived in Graigue-na-managh? > > About the Griffiths citations, as I understand the role of the Burtchaells (as originally told to me by family researcher Fr Jim Burtchaell), they were essentially land agents for Viscount Clifden. The Griffiths listings seem to indicate that they rented from Clifden and then sublet to tenants. (I remember asking Fr Jim if they were responsible for burning people out of their cottages, etc., during the famine.) > Linda Ford > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    05/13/2015 04:52:02
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Town of Buchanan?
    2. Dave H via
    3. http://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=in%3a100004&cat=BF&ord=ga gets you all the townlands in Carlow... you'd need to scroll through them to see if any makes sense DH On 13/05/2015 22:22, Dave H wrote: > Anything is possible and certainly key staff often lived in the big > houses while the owners were abroad etc under the eye of the farm > manager and you also have to consider that Maria might not have been a > local girl to start with. > > The house would need to be kept aired, fires lit etc. > > In some cases kids were left behind if parents went touring Europe etc > so a Governess was employed. > > Fr Jim, as you can imagine, would have had access to many records that > the public might not get access to, so if he couldn't find them then > where else is there to look? > > Plus... if you consider it was famine times you'll find many had to > live at the houses purely to avoid cholera typhoid contamination so > weren't allowed mix with people. Many estates were "self contained" > during epidemics. > > They rented, then leased out but most probably had bailiffs employed > if tenants were evicted. > > DH > > On 13/05/2015 21:02, Linda Ford via wrote: >> In the case of Maria Doyle, however, if she were born at Brandondale, >> it would have to be to one of the hired help. Would workers actually >> have lived on the property in the mid-1800s? Wouldn't they rather >> have lived in Graigue-na-managh? >> >> About the Griffiths citations, as I understand the role of the >> Burtchaells (as originally told to me by family researcher Fr Jim >> Burtchaell), they were essentially land agents for Viscount Clifden. >> The Griffiths listings seem to indicate that they rented from Clifden >> and then sublet to tenants. (I remember asking Fr Jim if they were >> responsible for burning people out of their cottages, etc., during >> the famine.) >> Linda Ford > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    05/13/2015 04:33:29
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Town of Buchanan?
    2. Dave H via
    3. Anything is possible and certainly key staff often lived in the big houses while the owners were abroad etc under the eye of the farm manager and you also have to consider that Maria might not have been a local girl to start with. The house would need to be kept aired, fires lit etc. In some cases kids were left behind if parents went touring Europe etc so a Governess was employed. Fr Jim, as you can imagine, would have had access to many records that the public might not get access to, so if he couldn't find them then where else is there to look? Plus... if you consider it was famine times you'll find many had to live at the houses purely to avoid cholera typhoid contamination so weren't allowed mix with people. Many estates were "self contained" during epidemics. They rented, then leased out but most probably had bailiffs employed if tenants were evicted. DH On 13/05/2015 21:02, Linda Ford via wrote: > In the case of Maria Doyle, however, if she were born at Brandondale, it would have to be to one of the hired help. Would workers actually have lived on the property in the mid-1800s? Wouldn't they rather have lived in Graigue-na-managh? > > About the Griffiths citations, as I understand the role of the Burtchaells (as originally told to me by family researcher Fr Jim Burtchaell), they were essentially land agents for Viscount Clifden. The Griffiths listings seem to indicate that they rented from Clifden and then sublet to tenants. (I remember asking Fr Jim if they were responsible for burning people out of their cottages, etc., during the famine.) > Linda Ford --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    05/13/2015 04:22:34
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Town of Buchanan?
    2. Linda Ford via
    3. Thanks to all of you for your helpful hints.  I'm going to search all the spots to which you've referred me.  That should keep me occupied for awhile! I'm looking at a photocopy of the original, and it clearly doesn't say Brandondale, but that doesn't mean it wasn't misunderstood, misspoken or miswritten in the first place.  I'm certainly aware of Brandondale House; have known of it since I was about nine years old.  Always thought my ancestors were born there, but now am not sure.  They may have been born in Wells in Carlow. In the case of Maria Doyle, however, if she were born at Brandondale, it would have to be to one of the hired help.  Would workers actually have lived on the property in the mid-1800s?  Wouldn't they rather have lived in Graigue-na-managh? About the Griffiths citations, as I understand the role of the Burtchaells (as originally told to me by family researcher Fr Jim Burtchaell), they were essentially land agents for Viscount Clifden.  The Griffiths listings seem to indicate that they rented from Clifden and then sublet to tenants. (I remember asking Fr Jim if they were responsible for burning people out of their cottages, etc., during the famine.)   Linda Ford On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:37 AM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: Well the Burtchaells Pedigree is done, one of them actually worked in the office responsible for proving Pedigrees, Coats of Arms etc, it's at the NLI in Dublin. DH On 13/05/2015 15:22, bobgraham via wrote: > Griffiths lists 208 hits for surname Burtchaell - some as tenants others as landlords. Mostly hits in Kilkenny and Carlow. I would check out the various townlands where these families lived to see if there is a close match to Buchanan or could be mis-transcribed as. If nothing matches you can try to see if any of the townland listed have had their name changed over the years. > > > Also as we have seen not to long ago there are "sub" townlands/locations within townlands which locals know but which are not to be found in townland lists. > > > Bob Graham > > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/13/2015 02:02:54
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD BAXTER
    2. Dave H via
    3. think someone needs to pull the emergency switch... e,g. Kathy has a Patrick died December 1909 son John born in 1873. I believe that he is the man who wrote the letter... I've a Patrick of Drumliff who died 10 years later.. Are there 2 Patricks?? --- You just found a ggggm of dh's who, according to one Ancestry tree, was born the year after she was married (!)... who is dh?? Regards DH On 13/05/2015 16:33, Valerie Ackroyd via wrote: > Kathy, do you have a tree on Ancestry or FamilySearch? As others have mentioned they can be problematic and overwhelming as there is SO much info out there, a lot of it wrong. I just found a ggggm of dh's who, according to one Ancestry tree, was born the year after she was married (!) > Still they are great resources and the group here will be happy to help and advise. When I was starting on my tree, I found it helpful to print a schema of all the people I DID know about and then take them one by one, making notes in a separate file of every lead I had already followed and copies of emails I had found helpful. > > Va --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    05/13/2015 01:48:49
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD basic Baxter information part one
    2. Dave H via
    3. Deceased SurnameBaxter Deceased ForenameRobert Primary Beneficiary/ExecutorMary Anne Coalter Sec. Beneficiary/ExecutorCharles Coalter Date of Death25 Jul 1866 County of DeathFermanagh On 13/05/2015 16:31, Kathleen Baxter via wrote: > Robert lived from about 1830-1866. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    05/13/2015 01:42:33
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD basic Baxter information part one
    2. Dave H via
    3. So the Patk of Drumliff who died 7 Aug 1919 isn't yours?? Details Deceased SurnameBaxter Deceased ForenamePatrick Primary Beneficiary/ExecutorJohn Baxter Date of Death7 Aug 1919 County of DeathFermanagh On 13/05/2015 16:31, Kathleen Baxter via wrote: > Patrick died December 1909 son John born in 1873. I believe that he is the > man who wrote the letter. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    05/13/2015 01:30:10
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD BAXTER
    2. Dave H via
    3. All you need to do is just get Patrick's death Cert...... DH On 13/05/2015 16:04, Kathleen Baxter wrote: > Basics to you are not so basic or obvious to me. I have been pretty > much terrified of Irish genealogy and know more about every single > branch of my family than I do of the Baxters. Which is utterly > pathetic. I will get in order that which I DO know and put it out there. > > Kathy, feeling quite incompetent. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    05/13/2015 01:25:59
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD basic Baxter information part one
    2. Dave H via
    3. Patrick's death cert will name the father of them all.. photocopy only costs €4.00 https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/GRO_Fees.aspx https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx Church records coming on line soon so you can search them then.. DH On 13/05/2015 16:31, Kathleen Baxter via wrote: > I believe this to be correct. You guys will probably cause me to start > sobbing in shame at my complete and total ignorance. I base this on that > letter. > (I am joking, I am joking) > > What I do not know is the name of the parents of these guys. > > The sons who came to America were > > James, tombstone says 1813-1895. He died in Allamakee County, Iowa. His > wife was Catherine Carroll. Hie eldest son John was born in New York in > 1850.. > > Charles my great grandfather, tombstone says 1814-1896 says in the census > he arrived in America in 1846, bought land in Iowa in 1856 but went back to > New York and married my great grandmother Johanna Butler in 1857 (Her > father was the railroad foreman). I believe she was 14. They then went to > Iowa. I do not find this a noble thing about my great grandfather. His > eldest son John (my grandfather) was born in 1862 in Allamakee County, Iowa > > John was born about 1816 He came to Allamakee County Iowa with his wife > Mary, born in Ireland. His wife and daughter Sarah died in 1881 and he took > his family back to Ireland, stayed there about twenty years and went to > Boston. I have NO idea when and where he died and really no idea where to > look for his children. I suppose I should look for children (Mary and > John, so helpful names) born in the USA in Ireland in the censuses. John > Baxter is a pretty common name and Boston is a big city. > > Thomas in Ireland born about 1815, died 1903 or 1904 > > Mary or Elizabeth married a man name Reilly and did not reproduce, so this > is a person of no consequence, as indicated in the letter. Sob. > > Patrick died December 1909 son John born in 1873. I believe that he is the > man who wrote the letter. > > Robert lived from about 1830-1866. > > And that is the information of which I feel somewhat secure. The one who > went to Boston sort of drives me insane. > > I do want you to know I have spent many hours trying to understand all of > this! > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    05/13/2015 01:23:03
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Town of Buchanan?
    2. Dave H via
    3. Well the Burtchaells Pedigree is done, one of them actually worked in the office responsible for proving Pedigrees, Coats of Arms etc, it's at the NLI in Dublin. DH On 13/05/2015 15:22, bobgraham via wrote: > Griffiths lists 208 hits for surname Burtchaell - some as tenants others as landlords. Mostly hits in Kilkenny and Carlow. I would check out the various townlands where these families lived to see if there is a close match to Buchanan or could be mis-transcribed as. If nothing matches you can try to see if any of the townland listed have had their name changed over the years. > > > Also as we have seen not to long ago there are "sub" townlands/locations within townlands which locals know but which are not to be found in townland lists. > > > Bob Graham > > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    05/13/2015 09:37:09
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Fwd: Re: Google in differerent countries
    2. Dee Byster-Graham via
    3. Dave, These hidden graveyards are a goldmine, and it's amazing how the overgrowth and topsoil covering preserve the buried stones brilliantly. When we finally found my g-grandparents gravestone in South Brisbane cemetery we were stunned at the absolute clarity of the carved inscription despite being over 140 years of age and weathering tropical storms etc over all that time. Then were told that the Friends of the Cemetery found the large ornate stone had fallen on its face many decades ago and became covered with grass and soil, they didn't know a tombstone was there initially, they were merely cleaning up the overgrowth. They kindly stood it upright in its base slot just a year before we searched for it. It has not even a crack nor chip despite being a large slab with an ornate cross on top, and every letter in the many lines of script is easily read. Only discolouration of parts of the face show where it rested in the damp leaf litter all those years. The "Friends" secretary, Roma, mentioned they were writing a book about the cemetery which they hope to publish and sell for funds to continue their work, so I spent several weeks writing a document, formatted as one entire chapter, on all our family burials in this cemetery, plot numbers, tombstones, and a short biography of each person and their relationship to each other - all immediate descendants of Felix and Mary Dolan nee Snow from Fermanagh, spouses and children etc. It is to be hoped that some kind soul will photograph the graveyard near you in the near future whilst the stones are still legible - another old Irish 'goldmine' crying out to be recorded! Kindly, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2015 3:30 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Fwd: Re: Google in differerent countries Strangely enough there's an old g/yard near there that has been completely overgrown for well over 50 years, was in it a few weeks ago as it is being cleared. All the gravestones there are very old and mostly in excellent condition as they were covered in leaves etc, some covered by maybe 6 inches of debris which preserved them, some completely encased in very thick Ivy that certainly haven't seen the light of day for a very very long time... Maybe someone might photograph them sometime as those stones would be very interesting and it is on what was the main road to Lisnaskea at one time... now it is a very narrow country road. I was going to do them but my camera is shot. DH On 12/05/2015 16:12, Kathleen Baxter wrote: > Though I had two years of high school Latin, I am not sure what the > Latin for Kathleen would be. I cannot compete in your league. > > My Baxter ancestors (yeah, I married a Harrison but did not change my > name...) were Catholic from County Fermanagh, and I know less about > them than any of my other ancestors and I say there ain't no justice. > Drumliff, Lisnaskea. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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