Viola, This information is valuable to all. Thank you. Anne in Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Viola Wiggins via Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 4:57 AM To: Kerrie Alexander ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD What to call land Kerrie The usual term used is "Lot" or "Plot" in Griffith's Valuation. Those could consist of Fields in Farmland. In the Griffith's Maps each field is marked and numbered and it's measurement and value is noted. "House Offices and Land" means A dwelling with outhouse[s] and land measured in Acres, Roods and Perches/Poles.[a. r. p.] 1 perch/pole = 5.5 yards. "House and Garden" means a house with a small area of land for a garden usually noted as Roods and perches/poles. [r. p. ] Annual Rateable Valuation [ARV] of Buildings are costed on their own and will give an indication of their size.They range from 5 Shillings [5s od] to 4 pounds [£4 0s 0p] Hope that helps Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pretty useless as they don't give Religion but.... County: Leitrim Civil Parish: cloonclare Townland: munakill After 10 years of searching, have located 7 first cousins of my father's in New York. They are the children of May Maguire of Kilmakerrill and Munakill and grandchildren of Thomas Maguire and Annie Gilmartin. My father is also Thomas Maguire, son of John Patrick and grandson of Thomas and Annie. ========================================== Probably best to leave LEITRIM posts on FG at that. Sorry Chris for trespassing across county line! DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Not sure how much Leitrim info is/will be allowed of Fermanagh Gold.... Other than Manorhamilton as an address... was there a townland mentioned?? DH County: Leitrim Civil Parish: Manorhamilton Townland: Munneygashel,Glenboy Related Surname Info: Interested in sharing information about any Stephensons in Manorhamilton. Our ancestor, Thomas Stephenson 1814-1901 (son of William), m. 1) Elizabeth Thompson and 2) Jane Fletcher and had 17 children. He lived Munneygashel. Most of the 17 children emigrated to Canada or Australia. Interested in connecting earlier lines of Stephensons in Manorhamilton to one another. On 23/05/2015 11:41, Stephen Maguire via wrote: > Hello, > > I have confirmed my plans to visit Ireland in September to search for traces of Andrew Maguire ( b Abt 1818) and Rebecca McKee ( b Abt 1822) . Rebecca's parents were Robert McKee and Margaret Stevenson. Andrew and Rebecca arrived in Boston in 1850, with my great grandfather in the womb and their two young children, Robert and Rebecca in tow. Undoubtedly they were fleeing the great famine. > > Another great grandmother, Susan Walker (b abt 1851), was the daughter of Archibald Walker and Ellen Dean. Suzanne came to Boston Abt 1871 from Donegal. I have yet to discover any records at all of her time in Ireland. > > A single roots.Ireland record find, Robert's Church of Ireland baptism record from Cloonclare parish, listed their residence at Manorhamilton. I will spend 3 nights in Manorhamilton in September. I understand that Maguire and Stevenson are still popular names in the Manorhamilton area. Another piece of evidence is a strong Y DNA link with Carl Maguire who has traced his genealogy to nearby villages in Fermanagh. I will visit the areas that Carl has traced to as well, his discovered Maguire's Pub, and a certain legendary 7 arch stone bridge. > > Prior to arriving in Manorhamilton I will spend 4 days in Dublin. Two of the Dublin days will be spent at the COI Representative Church a Body Library, where Cloonclare COI records are housed. After Manorhamilton I will spent a few nights in Belfast where one day will be spent at PRONI. > > For me, the trip will be a success even if I don't uncover any additional records. Just to walk the streets where these ancestors roamed and scan the hills and rivers that they beheld will be meaningful. The prospect of finding any additional information or perhaps even living relatives would be the head on the Guinness pint! > > If anyone comes across any traces of the folks mentioned above, in their own research, please send me a note. > > Stephen J. Maguire > Send from A Mobile Device > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Viola, This information is valuable to all. Thank you. Anne in Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Viola Wiggins via Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 4:57 AM To: Kerrie Alexander ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD What to call land Kerrie The usual term used is "Lot" or "Plot" in Griffith's Valuation. Those could consist of Fields in Farmland. In the Griffith's Maps each field is marked and numbered and it's measurement and value is noted. "House Offices and Land" means A dwelling with outhouse[s] and land measured in Acres, Roods and Perches/Poles.[a. r. p.] 1 perch/pole = 5.5 yards. "House and Garden" means a house with a small area of land for a garden usually noted as Roods and perches/poles. [r. p. ] Annual Rateable Valuation [ARV] of Buildings are costed on their own and will give an indication of their size.They range from 5 Shillings [5s od] to 4 pounds [£4 0s 0p] Hope that helps Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Dave, I think if you just write Off Topic in the subject line, nobody would object to your helping Stephen on the Fermanagh-Gold list. Any of us could find out we need info about that area, too. Shirley ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Visit to Manor Hamilton... Stephensons in Manorhamilton. Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 15:34:18 +0100 Not sure how much Leitrim info is/will be allowed of Fermanagh Gold.... Other than Manorhamilton as an address... was there a townland mentioned?? DH County: Leitrim Civil Parish: Manorhamilton Townland: Munneygashel,Glenboy Related Surname Info: Interested in sharing information about any Stephensons in Manorhamilton. Our ancestor, Thomas Stephenson 1814-1901 (son of William), m. 1) Elizabeth Thompson and 2) Jane Fletcher and had 17 children. He lived Munneygashel. Most of the 17 children emigrated to Canada or Australia. Interested in connecting earlier lines of Stephensons in Manorhamilton to one another. On 23/05/2015 11:41, Stephen Maguire via wrote: > Hello, > > I have confirmed my plans to visit Ireland in September to search for traces of Andrew Maguire ( b Abt 1818) and Rebecca McKee ( b Abt 1822) . Rebecca's parents were Robert McKee and Margaret Stevenson. Andrew and Rebecca arrived in Boston in 1850, with my great grandfather in the womb and their two young children, Robert and Rebecca in tow. Undoubtedly they were fleeing the great famine. > > Another great grandmother, Susan Walker (b abt 1851), was the daughter of Archibald Walker and Ellen Dean. Suzanne came to Boston Abt 1871 from Donegal. I have yet to discover any records at all of her time in Ireland. > > A single roots.Ireland record find, Robert's Church of Ireland baptism record from Cloonclare parish, listed their residence at Manorhamilton. I will spend 3 nights in Manorhamilton in September. I understand that Maguire and Stevenson are still popular names in the Manorhamilton area. Another piece of evidence is a strong Y DNA link with Carl Maguire who has traced his genealogy to nearby villages in Fermanagh. I will visit the areas that Carl has traced to as well, his discovered Maguire's Pub, and a certain legendary 7 arch stone bridge. > > Prior to arriving in Manorhamilton I will spend 4 days in Dublin. Two of the Dublin days will be spent at the COI Representative Church a Body Library, where Cloonclare COI records are housed. After Manorhamilton I will spent a few nights in Belfast where one day will be spent at PRONI. > > For me, the trip will be a success even if I don't uncover any additional records. Just to walk the streets where these ancestors roamed and scan the hills and rivers that they beheld will be meaningful. The prospect of finding any additional information or perhaps even living relatives would be the head on the Guinness pint! > > If anyone comes across any traces of the folks mentioned above, in their own research, please send me a note. > > Stephen J. Maguire > Send from A Mobile Device > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cloonclare RC parish ...which often is very similar to C of I parishes http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/MAPS/cloonclare.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Yes I have it photographed on IGP... On 23/05/2015 13:21, Michael Montgomery wrote: > The COI in Manorhamilton is Cloonclare Church. On top of The hill > > On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Dave H via > <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com <mailto:fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com>> wrote: > > You'd need more than Manorhamilton! > > Cloonclare is miles out of town, in the sticks... halfway between > Glenfarne and Manorhamilton with 87 townlands in the Parish! > > > > > > On 23/05/2015 11:41, Stephen Maguire via wrote: > > Robert's Church of Ireland baptism record from Cloonclare > parish, listed their residence at Manorhamilton > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com > <mailto:FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

You'd need more than Manorhamilton! Cloonclare is miles out of town, in the sticks... halfway between Glenfarne and Manorhamilton with 87 townlands in the Parish! On 23/05/2015 11:41, Stephen Maguire via wrote: > Robert's Church of Ireland baptism record from Cloonclare parish, listed their residence at Manorhamilton --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi Could someone tell me what the correct term is for the different pieces of land within a townland. Are they plots, portions or is there another term I should use. Many thanks Kerrie Australia

Kerrie The usual term used is "Lot" or "Plot" in Griffith's Valuation. Those could consist of Fields in Farmland. In the Griffith's Maps each field is marked and numbered and it's measurement and value is noted. "House Offices and Land" means A dwelling with outhouse[s] and land measured in Acres, Roods and Perches/Poles.[a. r. p.] 1 perch/pole = 5.5 yards. "House and Garden" means a house with a small area of land for a garden usually noted as Roods and perches/poles. [r. p. ] Annual Rateable Valuation [ARV] of Buildings are costed on their own and will give an indication of their size.They range from 5 Shillings [5s od] to 4 pounds [£4 0s 0p] Hope that helps Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

It's always so uplifting when you see these sorts of small but inspiring acts. It's just lovely -- thanks for sharing, Val! Eilish On 23/05/2015 2:07 AM, Valerie Ackroyd via wrote: > Although this isn't Fermanagh, I wanted to share this. I am in the midst of transcribing a Roscommon cemetery and I came across a stone that was erected by a nephew for his aunt. The nephew was named "Brigadier General James Cullen, U.S.A." I looked him up and--wow!--he is a JAG lawyer, very prominent in U.S. military and argues cases with the U.S. Supreme Court. > > And he took the time to remember a beloved aunt in a small cemetery in Ireland. Isn't that beautiful? > > Val > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kerrie, There are many family/local names for places within a townland, usually describing the physical features or features which used to exist there. Examples are "Mill Field", "Well Field". They can also be named after a previous owner. However, as families move away from farming, these names are being lost. There was a very interesting survey of field names carried out in County Meath which I would love to see in Fermanagh - http://www.meathfieldnames.com It records approximately 24,700 field names across 850 townlands. The most common names are meadow and bottoms, indeed I have a "Flat Bottoms" on my own farm. Other than that you could use the GV plot numbers to identify a particular area. Modern day farming requires the use of a number to identify a field, however this number is copyrighted to the Department of Agriculture and would be very difficult to find out. Clive On Saturday 23 May 2015 11:05:53 Kerrie Alexander via wrote: > Hi > > Could someone tell me what the correct term is for the different pieces of > land within a townland. Are they plots, portions or is there another term I > should use. > > Many thanks > Kerrie > Australia > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I have confirmed my plans to visit Ireland in September to search for traces of Andrew Maguire ( b Abt 1818) and Rebecca McKee ( b Abt 1822) . Rebecca's parents were Robert McKee and Margaret Stevenson. Andrew and Rebecca arrived in Boston in 1850, with my great grandfather in the womb and their two young children, Robert and Rebecca in tow. Undoubtedly they were fleeing the great famine. Another great grandmother, Susan Walker (b abt 1851), was the daughter of Archibald Walker and Ellen Dean. Suzanne came to Boston Abt 1871 from Donegal. I have yet to discover any records at all of her time in Ireland. A single roots.Ireland record find, Robert's Church of Ireland baptism record from Cloonclare parish, listed their residence at Manorhamilton. I will spend 3 nights in Manorhamilton in September. I understand that Maguire and Stevenson are still popular names in the Manorhamilton area. Another piece of evidence is a strong Y DNA link with Carl Maguire who has traced his genealogy to nearby villages in Fermanagh. I will visit the areas that Carl has traced to as well, his discovered Maguire's Pub, and a certain legendary 7 arch stone bridge. Prior to arriving in Manorhamilton I will spend 4 days in Dublin. Two of the Dublin days will be spent at the COI Representative Church a Body Library, where Cloonclare COI records are housed. After Manorhamilton I will spent a few nights in Belfast where one day will be spent at PRONI. For me, the trip will be a success even if I don't uncover any additional records. Just to walk the streets where these ancestors roamed and scan the hills and rivers that they beheld will be meaningful. The prospect of finding any additional information or perhaps even living relatives would be the head on the Guinness pint! If anyone comes across any traces of the folks mentioned above, in their own research, please send me a note. Stephen J. Maguire Send from A Mobile Device

That's lovely. Thanks for sharing. Chris On May 22, 2015 12:08 PM, "Valerie Ackroyd via" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Although this isn't Fermanagh, I wanted to share this. I am in the midst > of transcribing a Roscommon cemetery and I came across a stone that was > erected by a nephew for his aunt. The nephew was named "Brigadier General > James Cullen, U.S.A." I looked him up and--wow!--he is a JAG lawyer, very > prominent in U.S. military and argues cases with the U.S. Supreme Court. > > And he took the time to remember a beloved aunt in a small cemetery in > Ireland. Isn't that beautiful? > > Val > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wouldn't make a habit of it.... :-)) Mind you I was looking for Devine inspiration!! (no spelling error!!)... DH On 22/05/2015 14:27, Viola Wiggins wrote: > Hope you enjoyed both. > Vi --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hope you enjoyed both. Vi > Even went into a Convent yesterday!! > > Got a bit worried when the sister got up and went to the door and > said... "We'll have to find you something in your size!".. then went > out. > > Luckily she came back with a man size sandwich and mug of tea!! > > > DH > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Even went into a Convent yesterday!! Got a bit worried when the sister got up and went to the door and said... "We'll have to find you something in your size!".. then went out. Luckily she came back with a man size sandwich and mug of tea!! DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

I agree! DH (This is in reply to the person who was thinking FG has gone pretty quiet!) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Although this isn't Fermanagh, I wanted to share this. I am in the midst of transcribing a Roscommon cemetery and I came across a stone that was erected by a nephew for his aunt. The nephew was named "Brigadier General James Cullen, U.S.A." I looked him up and--wow!--he is a JAG lawyer, very prominent in U.S. military and argues cases with the U.S. Supreme Court. And he took the time to remember a beloved aunt in a small cemetery in Ireland. Isn't that beautiful? Val

> Tislevin would be more like the original which I think might be "Tigh > O'Sleibhin" or "Slevin's House". Much appreciated Clive, another mystery solved!! :-) Now would you have any thoughts on the double names for..... Forthill / Spratshill & Ballindoughlough or Ballindullagh / Derrygannan? Both of these names were listed in the TA for Derryvullan. Neither Spratshill or Derrygannan are marked on the Forthill or Ballindullagh GV maps. I have Meldrum family connections listed in the 1821 census for Derrygannan, when all other records show them living in Ballindullagh Inward! Forthill/Spratshill is just a query!!!! Did a Sprat family ever live in Forthill?....Joseph Spratt lived in Irvinestown in 1818! and YES a Spratt family did live in Forthill, but not recorded until the GV in 1862. Thanks, Carole E. > >