Kerry, That is how everyone can benefit from an itemised reply. I know a lot of people get confused between Villages, Towns and Townlands. Growing up I was told that if there was a Cathedral in a town it would be "A Cathedral City" Armagh was such an unofficial City [without Royal Warrant] until Queen Elizabeth II bestowed the Royal Warrant on it not many years ago. Enniskillen has two Cathedrals but is still a Town. Towns/Villages are where houses are built together in rows to form streets with shops and dwellings alongside each other only divided by a wall. Townlands, the smallest division of land in Ireland, are divided by Rivers, Roads or Hedges.. Parishes are an Ecclesiastical collection of Townlands Diocese are a Collection of Parishes in a number of Counties, adminsistered by the Bishop from the See House of that Diocese. Ireland has four Provinces, Ulster Munster Leinster and Connaght. Ulster contains 9 counties:- Antrim, Armagh, Cavan, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry, Tyrone and Monaghan Munster = Clare, Cork, Kerry, Limerisk, Tipperary and Waterford. Leinster = Carlow, Dublin, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois, Longford, Louth, Meath, Offaly Westmeath Wexford and Wicklow. Connaght/Connacht = Galway, Leitrim, Mayo, Roscommon and Sligo. Hope that helps Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

I got some interesting hits on Findmyroots today in the 1921 Irish census. You may recall one ancestor I am tracing Andrew Maguire was born Abt 1818, who came to Boston with his wife Rebecca ( b Abt 1822) in 1850. It is the baptism on his son Robert that in my only link to Manorhamilton. For other reasons I think the family had links to the counties Fermanagh and/or Cavan. The three households below seem the most likely. In America and Canada the names Frances, John, Andrew, and James associated with later descendants. This gives Family # 3 an edge possibly. Hopefully the border incursion can be excused. 1921 #1 Townland = Lanthadrangh Parish = Crosserlough County = Cavan Andrew Maguire = birth 1776 Anne Maguire = birth 1781 Thomas = birth 1808 Daniel Maguire = birth 1813 Phillip Maguire = birth 1816 Andrew Maguire = birth 1819 Catherine Maguire = birth 1806 1921 # 2 Townland = Lanthadrangh Parish = Crosserlough County = Cavan Patrick Maguire = birth 1754 Daniel Maguire = birth 1801 Bartie Maguire = birth 1807 Patrick Maguire = birth 1811 Andrew Maguire = birth 1813 or 1821 ( possible transcription error says birth 1813, but Looks more like 0 years old, not 8. Though age may fit better with family as 1813) Ally Maguire = birth 1815 Mary Maguire = birth 1803 1921 #3 Townland = Drumarkey Parish = Derryvullan County = Fermanagh John Maguire = birth 1774 Susan Maguire = birth 1784 Thomas Maguire = birth 1806 James Maguire = birth 1810 William Maguire = birth 1814 Frances Maguire birth 1819 Andrew Maguire = birth 1820 Stephen J. Maguire Send from A Mobile Device

He's just trying to find out which bus they took!! On 24/05/2015 16:02, DSA2003 via wrote: > Jerry, when I saw the subject “Transportation question”, I thought it would be about your convict rellies being transported! :-} > > David Armstrong > > Maylands > Western Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Try http://journeyplanner.buseireann.ie/jp/bin/ just put in Donegal to Enniskillen for whatever date... then check return bus to Donegal. On 24/05/2015 15:39, jfallis820 via wrote: > Hello, I'm making a trip to Ireland in mid June. I'll be with a tour group with a two night stop over in Dunegal. I'm not sure if I can break away from the group but if I can, I was wondering if there is any local transportation available from Dunegal to Enniskillen. Just a one day trip out and back. Any thoughts on this? > Jerry --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hello, I'm making a trip to Ireland in mid June. I'll be with a tour group with a two night stop over in Dunegal. I'm not sure if I can break away from the group but if I can, I was wondering if there is any local transportation available from Dunegal to Enniskillen. Just a one day trip out and back. Any thoughts on this? Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com To: "fermanagh-gold" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 3:00:06 AM Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 10, Issue 194 When replying to a Digest change the subject line & delete most of the backquotes. Supply *all* the information you can including Full Name, Religion, Dates and Places. * http://www.igp-web.com/fermanagh/Links.htm http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ To contact the FERMANAGH-GOLD list administrator, send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the FERMANAGH-GOLD mailing list, send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 10, Issue 194 ***********************************************

When I was growing up, I was taught you can judge the quality of a person by how he/she treats those in positions who serve: maids, janitors, waiters, etc. If you are not kind to people less fortunate, you don't have much class or quality. My grandchildren object when I use the terms lady and gentleman, but when I was growing up, being a lady or a gentleman meant something, not necessarily connected with money. We didn't have a lot of money, but my parents expected me to act like a lady. Shirley ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Ian Gammage via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: "Viola Wiggins" <viola.wiggins@tesco.net>, <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Armstrong of Pettigo Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 20:48:13 +1000 Those with class are gracious. Those who demand class are not. Cheers. -----Original Message----- From: Viola Wiggins via Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 8:32 PM To: Dee Byster-Graham ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Armstrong of Pettigo Colebrooke was the seat of the Brooke family. Sir Basil Brooke, who was Prime Minister of N Ireland, was a most genuine, kind and considerate Gentleman. Respected by all. During my time in the Telephone Exchange in Enniskillen, [1950 to 1955] before direct dialling, there would usually be a delay of half an hour or so at busy times. Sir Basil usually booked his own calls personally. He was entitled to "Priority" but he would let us know if his call was not urgent and that he was prepared to take his turn in the queue. On the other hand----- We also had a retired Major who always demanded Priority that he was not entitled to, so when informed that we did not have authority to provide him with that service, he would demand to be put through to our supervisor "at once"!!. Sometimes he succeeded but mostly not. I've known girls almost in tears dealing with him. But we had to grin and bear it.!!! A most unpleasant man who thought he could browbeat us, mere telephonists, into submission. Viola

Colebrooke was the seat of the Brooke family. Sir Basil Brooke, who was Prime Minister of N Ireland, was a most genuine, kind and considerate Gentleman. Respected by all. During my time in the Telephone Exchange in Enniskillen, [1950 to 1955] before direct dialling, there would usually be a delay of half an hour or so at busy times. Sir Basil usually booked his own calls personally. He was entitled to "Priority" but he would let us know if his call was not urgent and that he was prepared to take his turn in the queue. On the other hand----- We also had a retired Major who always demanded Priority that he was not entitled to, so when informed that we did not have authority to provide him with that service, he would demand to be put through to our supervisor "at once"!!. Sometimes he succeeded but mostly not. I've known girls almost in tears dealing with him. But we had to grin and bear it.!!! A most unpleasant man who thought he could browbeat us, mere telephonists, into submission. Viola ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Byster-Graham via" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: <Fermanagh-Gold@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:16 AM Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Armstrong of Pettigo > Hello Diana, > > > > It was so kind of you to take the time to phone me and let me know that > the > ABC TV program Country House Rescue this afternoon featured Colebrooke > Park > estate in Fermanagh. > > Just had a quick peek and it is certainly a superb piece of real estate - > and naturally in our favourite Irish County :) > > I wish you every success with your ARMSTRONGS of Pettigo, google Ireland > has many articles which no doubt you already have and I am sure you have > searched all the cemeteries in the vicinity without success. > > > > Perhaps one of our wonderful members reading this will have a tiny piece > to > help you with the puzzle, certainly Armstrong would be as difficult as my > Dolans are to find pre-1790's, but being a tailor in Pettigo in 1800 may > ring a bell with someone. Interestingly our Cassidy also tailored at that > same time in the town - it was a busy place especially being the 'staging > post' town to the famous pilgrimage site of St Patrick's Purgatory; can > believe there was quite a hum about the town in the summer months. Am > wondering if our friend Janet Cassidy has any data on a Pettigo tailor by > the name of Armstrong? > > > > Please be sure if I come across anything pertaining to your search I shall > contact you immediately. > > Thank you for your kindness and consideration, do keep in touch - either > privately or via Fermanagh Gold. > > > > Warmest regards, > > Dee. > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Interesting point, Dave! It is difficult to stay just in one defined area when our ancestors lived on County borders, and travelled so casually across them to visit close relatives at the drop of a hat. I have found aunties, uncles, and grandparents sponsoring baptisms, witnessing weddings, and attending funerals in Fermanagh, Leitrim, and Cavan whilst living in any of these Counties. They seemed to follow 'family/tribal' boundaries rather than official lines drawn on the map. One would imagine many on our wonderful Fer-Gold board share the same experience. Kindly Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2015 12:34 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Visit to Manor Hamilton... Stephensons in Manorhamilton. Not sure how much Leitrim info is/will be allowed of Fermanagh Gold.... Other than Manorhamilton as an address... was there a townland mentioned?? DH

Oh it is the morning Vi..!! :-)) Waiting to do Taxi for my son who is in Carrick on Shannon but isn't technically in Carrick on Shannon as he's in first house other side of the bridge which divides the town. Half way across bridge is county line! Visitors sees 1 town.. DH On 23/05/2015 23:04, Viola Wiggins wrote: > Dave > It was the White Fathers who lived there in the 1950s. > I think they would bury at Killinagh Cemetery on the Bypass road. > Olivia has probably gone off line and will probably be on again in the > morning. > Vi --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Dave It was the White Fathers who lived there in the 1950s. I think they would bury at Killinagh Cemetery on the Bypass road. Olivia has probably gone off line and will probably be on again in the morning. Vi --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

The COI in Manorhamilton is Cloonclare Church. On top of The hill On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > You'd need more than Manorhamilton! > > Cloonclare is miles out of town, in the sticks... halfway between > Glenfarne and Manorhamilton with 87 townlands in the Parish! > > > > > > On 23/05/2015 11:41, Stephen Maguire via wrote: > > Robert's Church of Ireland baptism record from Cloonclare parish, listed > their residence at Manorhamilton > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A digest is just group of messages for a particular day... rather than individual posts, just a matter of going to archives and looking for posts for that day. not getting Digest so don't know what day vol 10, 192 went out. All one has to do is read the posts on archive... http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/FERMANAGH-GOLD/2015-05?m=r&n=y&d=y&s=Redisplay all dated!! On 23/05/2015 21:49, Oliver@lists9.rootsweb.com wrote: > Oliver, Jim would like to recall the message, "FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 10, Issue 192". > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

You've lost me... travel expenses do mount up quick these days!! DH On 23/05/2015 21:48, Oliver@lists9.rootsweb.com wrote: > If you cover all travel expenses --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Olivia... do you know what Loughran House was before it became a prison?? Who lived there? DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

thanks Olivia. Yes have Thornhill photographed too... why so few headstones?? Don't think there's a road to that old g/yard, just looking at Cloonclare Parish which seems to run to L. McNean. DH On 23/05/2015 21:22, Olivia O'Dolan wrote: > Blacklion is in Killinagh parish which is in the Diocese of Kilmore > and just across from Belcoo which is in Diocese of Clogher. That old > burial ground at Blacklion is no longer in use. Killingh old cemetery > was the burial ground for both Catholic and C o I. The caretaker is > Thomas Frazer Termon Blacklion Co Cavan. Thornhill church ruins is not > too far from Killinagh old graveyard and is on old Dowra Road near > Killycarny Blacklion. O.O'Dolan Belcoo. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Blacklion is in Killinagh parish which is in the Diocese of Kilmore and just across from Belcoo which is in Diocese of Clogher. That old burial ground at Blacklion is no longer in use. Killingh old cemetery was the burial ground for both Catholic and C o I. The caretaker is Thomas Frazer Termon Blacklion Co Cavan. Thornhill church ruins is not too far from Killinagh old graveyard and is on old Dowra Road near Killycarny Blacklion. O.O'Dolan Belcoo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave H via" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 5:40 PM Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Visit to Manor Hamilton... Stephensons inManorhamilton. > Just doing my best Shirley but it is FG... as that Parish actually goes > right across to Blacklion/Belcoo and I wouldn't be surprised iF the old > g/yard Carl photographed was in the Cloonclare Parish as it goes all the > way to Lough McNean on NE side and probably Thornhill Cemetery is in > Cloonclare Parish too. > > It borders Fermanagh... > > Cloonclare Church is Cloonclare Church and is in Manorhamilton town up > the hill and old Cloonclare is down the hill behind the Mountainview > Chinese Take Away (best in Ireland!) and also photographed by me, but > Cloonclare PARISH is a different matter.. > > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=TownlandsInCivil&civilparishid=1491&civilparish=Cloonclare&citycounty=Leitrim > > ..so if there's no townland, there's no townland! > > I think there are 10 churches in Cloonclare PARISH.. They may or may not > be in Manorhamilton itself and that is ONLY a townland in the Parish. > > Regards > Dave (with food on the way home from that Chinese for dinner!) > > > > > > On 23/05/2015 16:21, Shirley Smith via wrote: >> Hi, Dave, I think if you just write Off Topic in the subject line, nobody >> would object to your helping Stephen on the Fermanagh-Gold list. Any of >> us could find out we need info about that area, too. Shirley > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oliver, Jim would like to recall the message, "FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 10, Issue 192".

If you cover all travel expenses -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 4:24 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 10, Issue 192 When replying to a Digest change the subject line & delete most of the backquotes. Supply *all* the information you can including Full Name, Religion, Dates and Places. * http://www.igp-web.com/fermanagh/Links.htm Today's Topics: 1. Re: What to call land (Killyfole and District Development Association) 2. Re: What to call land (Viola Wiggins) 3. Visit to Manor Hamilton (Stephen Maguire) 4. Re: Visit to Manor Hamilton (Dave H) 5. Re: Visit to Manor Hamilton (Michael Montgomery) 6. Re: Visit to Manor Hamilton (Dave H) 7. Re: Visit to Manor Hamilton.. CLOONCLARE PARISH TOWNLANDS (Dave H) 8. Re: Visit to Manor Hamilton... Stephensons in Manorhamilton. (Dave H) 9. County: Leitrim, Civil Parish: Cloonclare (Dave H) 10. Visit to Manor Hamilton... Stephensons in Manorhamilton. (Shirley Smith) 11. Re: Visit to Manor Hamilton... Stephensons in Manorhamilton. (Dave H) 12. Re: What to call land (Anne Sterling) 13. Re: What to call land (Anne Sterling) 14. Re: Visit to Manor Hamilton... Stephensons inManorhamilton. (Olivia O'Dolan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 09:37:22 +0100 From: Killyfole and District Development Association <gold@fermanaghroots.com> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD What to call land To: Kerrie Alexander <kerriea@aapt.net.au>, fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <2442522.WtOK6hHVni@p500> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kerrie, There are many family/local names for places within a townland, usually describing the physical features or features which used to exist there. Examples are "Mill Field", "Well Field". They can also be named after a previous owner. However, as families move away from farming, these names are being lost. There was a very interesting survey of field names carried out in County Meath which I would love to see in Fermanagh - http://www.meathfieldnames.com It records approximately 24,700 field names across 850 townlands. The most common names are meadow and bottoms, indeed I have a "Flat Bottoms" on my own farm. Other than that you could use the GV plot numbers to identify a particular area. Modern day farming requires the use of a number to identify a field, however this number is copyrighted to the Department of Agriculture and would be very difficult to find out. Clive On Saturday 23 May 2015 11:05:53 Kerrie Alexander via wrote: > Hi > > Could someone tell me what the correct term is for the different pieces of > land within a townland. Are they plots, portions or is there another term I > should use. > > Many thanks > Kerrie > Australia > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 09:57:58 +0100 From: "Viola Wiggins" <viola.wiggins@tesco.net> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD What to call land To: "Kerrie Alexander" <kerriea@aapt.net.au>, <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <C579FF2366F64227AFD24D0112C0AD66@HP93792624821> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Kerrie The usual term used is "Lot" or "Plot" in Griffith's Valuation. Those could consist of Fields in Farmland. In the Griffith's Maps each field is marked and numbered and it's measurement and value is noted. "House Offices and Land" means A dwelling with outhouse[s] and land measured in Acres, Roods and Perches/Poles.[a. r. p.] 1 perch/pole = 5.5 yards. "House and Garden" means a house with a small area of land for a garden usually noted as Roods and perches/poles. [r. p. ] Annual Rateable Valuation [ARV] of Buildings are costed on their own and will give an indication of their size.They range from 5 Shillings [5s od] to 4 pounds [?4 0s 0p] Hope that helps Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 06:41:51 -0400 From: Stephen Maguire <steve839@gmail.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Visit to Manor Hamilton To: "fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <243827F1-133F-4DCC-A8FB-38819E4309FE@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello, I have confirmed my plans to visit Ireland in September to search for traces of Andrew Maguire ( b Abt 1818) and Rebecca McKee ( b Abt 1822) . Rebecca's parents were Robert McKee and Margaret Stevenson. Andrew and Rebecca arrived in Boston in 1850, with my great grandfather in the womb and their two young children, Robert and Rebecca in tow. Undoubtedly they were fleeing the great famine. Another great grandmother, Susan Walker (b abt 1851), was the daughter of Archibald Walker and Ellen Dean. Suzanne came to Boston Abt 1871 from Donegal. I have yet to discover any records at all of her time in Ireland. A single roots.Ireland record find, Robert's Church of Ireland baptism record from Cloonclare parish, listed their residence at Manorhamilton. I will spend 3 nights in Manorhamilton in September. I understand that Maguire and Stevenson are still popular names in the Manorhamilton area. Another piece of evidence is a strong Y DNA link with Carl Maguire who has traced his genealogy to nearby villages in Fermanagh. I will visit the areas that Carl has traced to as well, his discovered Maguire's Pub, and a certain legendary 7 arch stone bridge. Prior to arriving in Manorhamilton I will spend 4 days in Dublin. Two of the Dublin days will be spent at the COI Representative Church a Body Library, where Cloonclare COI records are housed. After Manorhamilton I will spent a few nights in Belfast where one day will be spent at PRONI. For me, the trip will be a success even if I don't uncover any additional records. Just to walk the streets where these ancestors roamed and scan the hills and rivers that they beheld will be meaningful. The prospect of finding any additional information or perhaps even living relatives would be the head on the Guinness pint! If anyone comes across any traces of the folks mentioned above, in their own research, please send me a note. Stephen J. Maguire Send from A Mobile Device ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 12:51:14 +0100 From: Dave H <hallmarkone@gmail.com> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Visit to Manor Hamilton To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <556069B2.5020505@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed You'd need more than Manorhamilton! Cloonclare is miles out of town, in the sticks... halfway between Glenfarne and Manorhamilton with 87 townlands in the Parish! On 23/05/2015 11:41, Stephen Maguire via wrote: > Robert's Church of Ireland baptism record from Cloonclare parish, listed their residence at Manorhamilton --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 22:21:28 +1000 From: Michael Montgomery <mkmonteez@gmail.com> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Visit to Manor Hamilton To: Dave H <hallmarkone@gmail.com>, Fermanagh-Gold <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAOaKvXEy9A0bRT7Gb0+63LV5fFyaCN5x1GZ1O8mwWbYzdaO1Bg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The COI in Manorhamilton is Cloonclare Church. On top of The hill On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > You'd need more than Manorhamilton! > > Cloonclare is miles out of town, in the sticks... halfway between > Glenfarne and Manorhamilton with 87 townlands in the Parish! > > > > > > On 23/05/2015 11:41, Stephen Maguire via wrote: > > Robert's Church of Ireland baptism record from Cloonclare parish, listed > their residence at Manorhamilton > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 13:46:36 +0100 From: Dave H <hallmarkone@gmail.com> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Visit to Manor Hamilton To: Michael Montgomery <mkmonteez@gmail.com>, Fermanagh-Gold <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <556076AC.1020709@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Yes I have it photographed on IGP... On 23/05/2015 13:21, Michael Montgomery wrote: > The COI in Manorhamilton is Cloonclare Church. On top of The hill > > On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Dave H via > <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com <mailto:fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com>> wrote: > > You'd need more than Manorhamilton! > > Cloonclare is miles out of town, in the sticks... halfway between > Glenfarne and Manorhamilton with 87 townlands in the Parish! > > > > > > On 23/05/2015 11:41, Stephen Maguire via wrote: > > Robert's Church of Ireland baptism record from Cloonclare > parish, listed their residence at Manorhamilton > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com > <mailto:FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 14:03:30 +0100 From: Dave H <hallmarkone@gmail.com> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Visit to Manor Hamilton.. CLOONCLARE PARISH TOWNLANDS To: Michael Montgomery <mkmonteez@gmail.com>, Fermanagh-Gold <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <55607AA2.9050804@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Cloonclare RC parish ...which often is very similar to C of I parishes http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/MAPS/cloonclare.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 15:34:18 +0100 From: Dave H <hallmarkone@gmail.com> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Visit to Manor Hamilton... Stephensons in Manorhamilton. To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <55608FEA.3000401@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Not sure how much Leitrim info is/will be allowed of Fermanagh Gold.... Other than Manorhamilton as an address... was there a townland mentioned?? DH County: Leitrim Civil Parish: Manorhamilton Townland: Munneygashel,Glenboy Related Surname Info: Interested in sharing information about any Stephensons in Manorhamilton. Our ancestor, Thomas Stephenson 1814-1901 (son of William), m. 1) Elizabeth Thompson and 2) Jane Fletcher and had 17 children. He lived Munneygashel. Most of the 17 children emigrated to Canada or Australia. Interested in connecting earlier lines of Stephensons in Manorhamilton to one another. On 23/05/2015 11:41, Stephen Maguire via wrote: > Hello, > > I have confirmed my plans to visit Ireland in September to search for traces of Andrew Maguire ( b Abt 1818) and Rebecca McKee ( b Abt 1822) . Rebecca's parents were Robert McKee and Margaret Stevenson. Andrew and Rebecca arrived in Boston in 1850, with my great grandfather in the womb and their two young children, Robert and Rebecca in tow. Undoubtedly they were fleeing the great famine. > > Another great grandmother, Susan Walker (b abt 1851), was the daughter of Archibald Walker and Ellen Dean. Suzanne came to Boston Abt 1871 from Donegal. I have yet to discover any records at all of her time in Ireland. > > A single roots.Ireland record find, Robert's Church of Ireland baptism record from Cloonclare parish, listed their residence at Manorhamilton. I will spend 3 nights in Manorhamilton in September. I understand that Maguire and Stevenson are still popular names in the Manorhamilton area. Another piece of evidence is a strong Y DNA link with Carl Maguire who has traced his genealogy to nearby villages in Fermanagh. I will visit the areas that Carl has traced to as well, his discovered Maguire's Pub, and a certain legendary 7 arch stone bridge. > > Prior to arriving in Manorhamilton I will spend 4 days in Dublin. Two of the Dublin days will be spent at the COI Representative Church a Body Library, where Cloonclare COI records are housed. After Manorhamilton I will spent a few nights in Belfast where one day will be spent at PRONI. > > For me, the trip will be a success even if I don't uncover any additional records. Just to walk the streets where these ancestors roamed and scan the hills and rivers that they beheld will be meaningful. The prospect of finding any additional information or perhaps even living relatives would be the head on the Guinness pint! > > If anyone comes across any traces of the folks mentioned above, in their own research, please send me a note. > > Stephen J. Maguire > Send from A Mobile Device > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 15:43:00 +0100 From: Dave H <hallmarkone@gmail.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD County: Leitrim, Civil Parish: Cloonclare To: "fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <556091F4.2050309@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pretty useless as they don't give Religion but.... County: Leitrim Civil Parish: cloonclare Townland: munakill After 10 years of searching, have located 7 first cousins of my father's in New York. They are the children of May Maguire of Kilmakerrill and Munakill and grandchildren of Thomas Maguire and Annie Gilmartin. My father is also Thomas Maguire, son of John Patrick and grandson of Thomas and Annie. ========================================== Probably best to leave LEITRIM posts on FG at that. Sorry Chris for trespassing across county line! DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 15:21:29 GMT From: "Shirley Smith" <smith_shirley_ross@juno.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Visit to Manor Hamilton... Stephensons in Manorhamilton. To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20150523.112129.5428.2@webmail13.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi, Dave, I think if you just write Off Topic in the subject line, nobody would object to your helping Stephen on the Fermanagh-Gold list. Any of us could find out we need info about that area, too. Shirley ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Visit to Manor Hamilton... Stephensons in Manorhamilton. Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 15:34:18 +0100 Not sure how much Leitrim info is/will be allowed of Fermanagh Gold.... Other than Manorhamilton as an address... was there a townland mentioned?? DH County: Leitrim Civil Parish: Manorhamilton Townland: Munneygashel,Glenboy Related Surname Info: Interested in sharing information about any Stephensons in Manorhamilton. Our ancestor, Thomas Stephenson 1814-1901 (son of William), m. 1) Elizabeth Thompson and 2) Jane Fletcher and had 17 children. He lived Munneygashel. Most of the 17 children emigrated to Canada or Australia. Interested in connecting earlier lines of Stephensons in Manorhamilton to one another. On 23/05/2015 11:41, Stephen Maguire via wrote: > Hello, > > I have confirmed my plans to visit Ireland in September to search for traces of Andrew Maguire ( b Abt 1818) and Rebecca McKee ( b Abt 1822) . Rebecca's parents were Robert McKee and Margaret Stevenson. Andrew and Rebecca arrived in Boston in 1850, with my great grandfather in the womb and their two young children, Robert and Rebecca in tow. Undoubtedly they were fleeing the great famine. > > Another great grandmother, Susan Walker (b abt 1851), was the daughter of Archibald Walker and Ellen Dean. Suzanne came to Boston Abt 1871 from Donegal. I have yet to discover any records at all of her time in Ireland. > > A single roots.Ireland record find, Robert's Church of Ireland baptism record from Cloonclare parish, listed their residence at Manorhamilton. I will spend 3 nights in Manorhamilton in September. I understand that Maguire and Stevenson are still popular names in the Manorhamilton area. Another piece of evidence is a strong Y DNA link with Carl Maguire who has traced his genealogy to nearby villages in Fermanagh. I will visit the areas that Carl has traced to as well, his discovered Maguire's Pub, and a certain legendary 7 arch stone bridge. > > Prior to arriving in Manorhamilton I will spend 4 days in Dublin. Two of the Dublin days will be spent at the COI Representative Church a Body Library, where Cloonclare COI records are housed. After Manorhamilton I will spent a few nights in Belfast where one day will be spent at PRONI. > > For me, the trip will be a success even if I don't uncover any additional records. Just to walk the streets where these ancestors roamed and scan the hills and rivers that they beheld will be meaningful. The prospect of finding any additional information or perhaps even living relatives would be the head on the Guinness pint! > > If anyone comes across any traces of the folks mentioned above, in their own research, please send me a note. > > Stephen J. Maguire > Send from A Mobile Device > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 17:40:33 +0100 From: Dave H <hallmarkone@gmail.com> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Visit to Manor Hamilton... Stephensons in Manorhamilton. To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5560AD81.4080406@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Just doing my best Shirley but it is FG... as that Parish actually goes right across to Blacklion/Belcoo and I wouldn't be surprised iF the old g/yard Carl photographed was in the Cloonclare Parish as it goes all the way to Lough McNean on NE side and probably Thornhill Cemetery is in Cloonclare Parish too. It borders Fermanagh... Cloonclare Church is Cloonclare Church and is in Manorhamilton town up the hill and old Cloonclare is down the hill behind the Mountainview Chinese Take Away (best in Ireland!) and also photographed by me, but Cloonclare PARISH is a different matter.. http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=TownlandsInCivil&civilparishid=1491&civilparish=Cloonclare&citycounty=Leitrim ..so if there's no townland, there's no townland! I think there are 10 churches in Cloonclare PARISH.. They may or may not be in Manorhamilton itself and that is ONLY a townland in the Parish. Regards Dave (with food on the way home from that Chinese for dinner!) On 23/05/2015 16:21, Shirley Smith via wrote: > Hi, Dave, I think if you just write Off Topic in the subject line, nobody would object to your helping Stephen on the Fermanagh-Gold list. Any of us could find out we need info about that area, too. Shirley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 15:25:41 -0400 From: "Anne Sterling" <m.anne.sterling@gmail.com> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD What to call land To: "Viola Wiggins" <viola.wiggins@tesco.net>, <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <AE5E433963D040FD9C37460137F48C34@Ginger> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Viola, This information is valuable to all. Thank you. Anne in Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Viola Wiggins via Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 4:57 AM To: Kerrie Alexander ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD What to call land Kerrie The usual term used is "Lot" or "Plot" in Griffith's Valuation. Those could consist of Fields in Farmland. In the Griffith's Maps each field is marked and numbered and it's measurement and value is noted. "House Offices and Land" means A dwelling with outhouse[s] and land measured in Acres, Roods and Perches/Poles.[a. r. p.] 1 perch/pole = 5.5 yards. "House and Garden" means a house with a small area of land for a garden usually noted as Roods and perches/poles. [r. p. ] Annual Rateable Valuation [ARV] of Buildings are costed on their own and will give an indication of their size.They range from 5 Shillings [5s od] to 4 pounds [?4 0s 0p] Hope that helps Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 16:19:59 -0400 From: "Anne Sterling" <m.anne.sterling@gmail.com> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD What to call land To: "Viola Wiggins" <viola.wiggins@tesco.net>, <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <98585C1EA8D64B5786A07F901C3C8111@Ginger> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Viola, This information is valuable to all. Thank you. Anne in Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Viola Wiggins via Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 4:57 AM To: Kerrie Alexander ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD What to call land Kerrie The usual term used is "Lot" or "Plot" in Griffith's Valuation. Those could consist of Fields in Farmland. In the Griffith's Maps each field is marked and numbered and it's measurement and value is noted. "House Offices and Land" means A dwelling with outhouse[s] and land measured in Acres, Roods and Perches/Poles.[a. r. p.] 1 perch/pole = 5.5 yards. "House and Garden" means a house with a small area of land for a garden usually noted as Roods and perches/poles. [r. p. ] Annual Rateable Valuation [ARV] of Buildings are costed on their own and will give an indication of their size.They range from 5 Shillings [5s od] to 4 pounds [?4 0s 0p] Hope that helps Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 21:22:55 +0100 From: "Olivia O'Dolan" <olivia.odolan@totalise.co.uk> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Visit to Manor Hamilton... Stephensons inManorhamilton. To: "Dave H" <hallmarkone@gmail.com>, <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <F25C4865B0CD4026A17052D5294B4559@OliviaPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Blacklion is in Killinagh parish which is in the Diocese of Kilmore and just across from Belcoo which is in Diocese of Clogher. That old burial ground at Blacklion is no longer in use. Killingh old cemetery was the burial ground for both Catholic and C o I. The caretaker is Thomas Frazer Termon Blacklion Co Cavan. Thornhill church ruins is not too far from Killinagh old graveyard and is on old Dowra Road near Killycarny Blacklion. O.O'Dolan Belcoo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave H via" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 5:40 PM Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Visit to Manor Hamilton... Stephensons inManorhamilton. > Just doing my best Shirley but it is FG... as that Parish actually goes > right across to Blacklion/Belcoo and I wouldn't be surprised iF the old > g/yard Carl photographed was in the Cloonclare Parish as it goes all the > way to Lough McNean on NE side and probably Thornhill Cemetery is in > Cloonclare Parish too. > > It borders Fermanagh... > > Cloonclare Church is Cloonclare Church and is in Manorhamilton town up > the hill and old Cloonclare is down the hill behind the Mountainview > Chinese Take Away (best in Ireland!) and also photographed by me, but > Cloonclare PARISH is a different matter.. > > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=TownlandsInCivil&civilparishid=1491&civilparish=Cloonclare&citycounty=Leitrim > > ..so if there's no townland, there's no townland! > > I think there are 10 churches in Cloonclare PARISH.. They may or may not > be in Manorhamilton itself and that is ONLY a townland in the Parish. > > Regards > Dave (with food on the way home from that Chinese for dinner!) > > > > > > On 23/05/2015 16:21, Shirley Smith via wrote: >> Hi, Dave, I think if you just write Off Topic in the subject line, nobody >> would object to your helping Stephen on the Fermanagh-Gold list. Any of >> us could find out we need info about that area, too. 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Just doing my best Shirley but it is FG... as that Parish actually goes right across to Blacklion/Belcoo and I wouldn't be surprised iF the old g/yard Carl photographed was in the Cloonclare Parish as it goes all the way to Lough McNean on NE side and probably Thornhill Cemetery is in Cloonclare Parish too. It borders Fermanagh... Cloonclare Church is Cloonclare Church and is in Manorhamilton town up the hill and old Cloonclare is down the hill behind the Mountainview Chinese Take Away (best in Ireland!) and also photographed by me, but Cloonclare PARISH is a different matter.. http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=TownlandsInCivil&civilparishid=1491&civilparish=Cloonclare&citycounty=Leitrim ..so if there's no townland, there's no townland! I think there are 10 churches in Cloonclare PARISH.. They may or may not be in Manorhamilton itself and that is ONLY a townland in the Parish. Regards Dave (with food on the way home from that Chinese for dinner!) On 23/05/2015 16:21, Shirley Smith via wrote: > Hi, Dave, I think if you just write Off Topic in the subject line, nobody would object to your helping Stephen on the Fermanagh-Gold list. Any of us could find out we need info about that area, too. Shirley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Absolutely Dee. My ggf John Reilly was born in Drumrush/Drumgoon, Cavan but somehow he met Mary Ellen Gilleece from Aughyoule Fermanagh and they married in Knockninny, Fermanagh. But then they returned to Cavan where they remained. Maybe. Val > On May 23, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Dee Byster-Graham via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Interesting point, Dave! > > It is difficult to stay just in one defined area when our ancestors lived on > County borders, and travelled so casually across them to visit close > relatives at the drop of a hat. > I have found aunties, uncles, and grandparents sponsoring baptisms, > witnessing weddings, and attending funerals in Fermanagh, Leitrim, and Cavan > whilst living in any of these Counties. > They seemed to follow 'family/tribal' boundaries rather than official lines > drawn on the map. > One would imagine many on our wonderful Fer-Gold board share the same > experience. > > Kindly > Dee.