Ron Perhaps you could order a copy of the death Entry from the General Registry Rosscommon as he died before 1922 when the Border was set up and it is cheaper then ordering from GRONI in Belfast. The entry gives the 1st Quarter of 1893, in Downpatrick aged 81 years. Quote the Volume No 1 and Page number 414. That might give you who registered the death. Name: Mathew Shaw Event Type: Death Event Date: Jan - Mar 1893 Event Place: Downpatrick, Ireland Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1893 Registration District: Downpatrick Age: 81 Birth Year (Estimated): 1812 Volume Number: 1 Page Number: 414 Otherwise search in person through the Local Paper for an Obituary and the PRONI Wills for a Will. Or see if familysearch has a registered birth fro him c1812 + or - 2 years. Viola > Is there any way of finding out where this person was born? > Ron > ================================== --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Ron As the information states on the web page you give, it is the civil registration births index details for Matthew Shaw. You can use that information to order a copy of the birth certificate from the General Register Office for Ireland which will give you the full information that was recorded for official purposes at the time. < https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx > David Armstrong Western Australia From: Ron Law via Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 8:31 AM To: Dave H ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Mathew Shaw Is there any way of finding out where this person was born? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTC1-TY6 Ron --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

The others were all in England by 1861 or sooner and Pension started 1908. If they applied when age 70 then the Census Search would be done using 1841 Census details, these Census were later destroyed! Because mine weren't in Ireland for 41 or 51 Census I got the 1821 Census for one lot! The ones for NI are SUPPOSED to be in PRONI BUT that is not the case!! 1000's are still in Dublin and on line on same site as Census. It doesn't matter which Durham as people in Canada applied too.. and all over the world. Berly Eustace's books are the best way to get them all.. even the ones for Kerry that are at PRONI. On 11/06/2015 03:23, Sheila Woods via wrote: > To Carl and Dave H: > > > > I'm talking about Middlesbrough, Yorkshire and Darlington, Durham in > England. By the way, the people I named are all Catholic. > > > > James Martin and Thomas and Owen Maguire were probably all born before 1800. > The others were all in England by 1861 or sooner. When did the pension come > in, and where can I find the records? > > > > Thanks, > > Sheila --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Easily done! Record wouldn't be of much use!! DH On 11/06/2015 03:09, DSA2003 wrote: > Well spotted! That’s the problem with trying to quickly answer > questions first thing in the morning before being fully awake. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/doSearch.aspx just put in Shaw see what return you get putting Cursor on each result gets you synopsis not sure how many there are as they won't load for me!! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I presume you have looked on PRONI for Wills. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

It's a Death record David. Name: Mathew Shaw Event Type: Death Event Date: Jan - Mar 1893 Event Place: Downpatrick, Ireland Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1893 Registration District: Downpatrick Age: 81 Birth Year (Estimated): 1812 Volume Number: 1 Page Number: 414 On 11/06/2015 02:07, DSA2003 via wrote: > Ron > > As the information states on the web page you give, it is the civil registration births index details for Matthew Shaw. You can use that information to order a copy of the birth certificate from the General Register Office for Ireland which will give you the full information that was recorded for official purposes at the time. > > < https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx > > > David Armstrong > > Western Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Only by church records.... http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-civil-registration.html http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/irish-roots.html or if someone has photographed a g/stone, and that depends on the county. A lot of people visit g/yards all over Ireland but couldn't be bothered taking a few photos that might help someone else.. Many can't visit Ireland and rely on others. DH On 11/06/2015 01:31, Ron Law via wrote: > Is there any way of finding out where this person was born? > > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTC1-TY6 > > Ron > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Who would have been 70 when Pension started and when would others have been 70, to apply?? Did any of them apply? DH On 10/06/2015 23:22, Carl Maguire via wrote: > I'm still trying to find connections between Fermanagh and folks who settled > >in Middlesbrough, and hoping someone will recognize some of these > >relationships. > > > > > > > >James Martin probably didn't go to Middlesbrough, but these children were > >there by 1851, living near each other. > > > > > > > >Definite children of James Martin: > > > >Ann <1811> wife of James Holmes > > > >Mary <1823> married James Snow in Darlington, Durham on 24 Aug 1846 > > > > > > > >Possible children of James Martin: > > > >Jane <1823> married Joseph Snow in Fermanagh before 1846 > > > >Owen <1810> married Mary and had children in Ireland 1831-1844 > > > >Catherine <1805> sister of Owen and wife of Peter Carey > > > >(Owen's children were George <1831>, Jane <1832>, Francis <1838>, Patrick > ><1841>, James <1843>, Mary <1844>) > > > > > > > >Alice, Owen and Thomas Maguire were probably siblings. Alice was in > >Middlesbrough by 1851. Owen and Thomas probably didn't go to Middlesbrough, > >but their children were there by 1861. > > > >Alice <1792> wife of John Snow and mother of James, Joseph and John > > > >Owen father of Francis <1832> > > > >Thomas father of Catherine <1831> and Bridget <1828> > > > >(Catherine married Thomas McQuade in Enniskillen on 15 Nov 1851 and Bridget > >married Owen McManus on 17 Jan 1853 in Middlesbrough) > > > > > > > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Sheila --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

To Carl and Dave H: I'm talking about Middlesbrough, Yorkshire and Darlington, Durham in England. By the way, the people I named are all Catholic. James Martin and Thomas and Owen Maguire were probably all born before 1800. The others were all in England by 1861 or sooner. When did the pension come in, and where can I find the records? Thanks, Sheila

William was about 32 his older brother 34 in 1879 (passenger list) making his parents probably ~>55... in 1901 they would be about >77 if still alive... none that age match... assumed dead... No joy there I'm afraid... but a good site... thanks... Ron On 10/06/2015, at 9:02 PM, Dave H via wrote: > Just a matter of looking on Census etc for Presby ones, see if you see > any kin. > > DH > > > > > On 10/06/2015 09:44, Ron Law wrote: >> They were Presbyterian... >> >> Ron > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They were Presbyterian... Ron On 10/06/2015, at 8:36 PM, Dave H via wrote: > http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=Shaw&exact=&firstname=&county19011911=Fermanagh&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&houseNumber=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&search=Search&sort=townlandSort&pageSize=100 > > > gets you all Shaws in Fermanagh 1901 > > > > > http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=Martin&exact=&firstname=&county19011911=Fermanagh&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&houseNumber=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&search=Search&sort=townlandSort&pageSize=100 > > > same with Martins.... it's a pity you don't know their Religion as you > could have cut number of results down. > > Just look through them to see if you spot Parents etc... > > > DH > > > On 10/06/2015 09:12, Ron Law wrote: >> There is a record of a wedding of a William Mathew Shaw from Boa Island father Mathew, to an Isabella Martin age 18, father William, from Inischin?... on June 6 1878... in Tubrid. >> >> His wife, Isabella, was nee Martin (from birth certificate of her child.) Her age matches... >> >> Ron > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a record of a wedding of a William Mathew Shaw from Boa Island father Mathew, to an Isabella Martin age 18, father William, from Inischin?... on June 6 1878... in Tubrid. His wife, Isabella, was nee Martin (from birth certificate of her child.) Her age matches... Ron On 10/06/2015, at 7:48 PM, Dave H via wrote: > So you must have more information...... what makes you say he appears to > have lived on Boa Island in 1878?? > > > > On 10/06/2015 07:00, Ron Law via wrote: >> Appears to have lived on Boa Island in 1878. >> >> Have a marriage record that matches in Tubrid in 1878. > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kia Ora I'm looking for info on a William Mathew shaw, father, ?Mathew Shaw. Born circa 1845 in Pettigo. Married Isabella Martin and migrated to New Zealand in 1879 with older brother Robert who drowned in the Waikato River in 1891... He and Isabella had 10 children in NZ. They died in 1921 and 1923 respectively Appears to have lived on Boa Island in 1878. Have a marriage record that matches in Tubrid in 1878. Any info on these Shaws from Pettigo/Boa Island would be welcome. Regards Ron

I'm still trying to find connections between Fermanagh and folks who settled in Middlesbrough, and hoping someone will recognize some of these relationships. James Martin probably didn't go to Middlesbrough, but these children were there by 1851, living near each other. Definite children of James Martin: Ann <1811> wife of James Holmes Mary <1823> married James Snow in Darlington, Durham on 24 Aug 1846 Possible children of James Martin: Jane <1823> married Joseph Snow in Fermanagh before 1846 Owen <1810> married Mary and had children in Ireland 1831-1844 Catherine <1805> sister of Owen and wife of Peter Carey (Owen's children were George <1831>, Jane <1832>, Francis <1838>, Patrick <1841>, James <1843>, Mary <1844>) Alice, Owen and Thomas Maguire were probably siblings. Alice was in Middlesbrough by 1851. Owen and Thomas probably didn't go to Middlesbrough, but their children were there by 1861. Alice <1792> wife of John Snow and mother of James, Joseph and John Owen father of Francis <1832> Thomas father of Catherine <1831> and Bridget <1828> (Catherine married Thomas McQuade in Enniskillen on 15 Nov 1851 and Bridget married Owen McManus on 17 Jan 1853 in Middlesbrough) Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sheila

Hi Ron, What religion were they! Eilish On 10/06/2015 4:00 PM, Ron Law via wrote: > Kia Ora > > I'm looking for info on a William Mathew shaw, father, ?Mathew Shaw. Born circa 1845 in Pettigo. > > Married Isabella Martin and migrated to New Zealand in 1879 with older brother Robert who drowned in the Waikato River in 1891... He and Isabella had 10 children in NZ. They died in 1921 and 1923 respectively > > Appears to have lived on Boa Island in 1878. > > Have a marriage record that matches in Tubrid in 1878. > > Any info on these Shaws from Pettigo/Boa Island would be welcome. > > Regards > > Ron > > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Doesn't sound like any of my lot yet. I must have missed a step here, are we talking about a Middlesbrough and a Durham in Canada? Apologies. I've been away for a month. On 2015-06-10, at 2:52 PM, Sheila Woods via wrote: > I'm still trying to find connections between Fermanagh and folks who settled > in Middlesbrough, and hoping someone will recognize some of these > relationships. > > > > James Martin probably didn't go to Middlesbrough, but these children were > there by 1851, living near each other. > > > > Definite children of James Martin: > > Ann <1811> wife of James Holmes > > Mary <1823> married James Snow in Darlington, Durham on 24 Aug 1846 > > > > Possible children of James Martin: > > Jane <1823> married Joseph Snow in Fermanagh before 1846 > > Owen <1810> married Mary and had children in Ireland 1831-1844 > > Catherine <1805> sister of Owen and wife of Peter Carey > > (Owen's children were George <1831>, Jane <1832>, Francis <1838>, Patrick > <1841>, James <1843>, Mary <1844>) > > > > Alice, Owen and Thomas Maguire were probably siblings. Alice was in > Middlesbrough by 1851. Owen and Thomas probably didn't go to Middlesbrough, > but their children were there by 1861. > > Alice <1792> wife of John Snow and mother of James, Joseph and John > > Owen father of Francis <1832> > > Thomas father of Catherine <1831> and Bridget <1828> > > (Catherine married Thomas McQuade in Enniskillen on 15 Nov 1851 and Bridget > married Owen McManus on 17 Jan 1853 in Middlesbrough) > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Sheila > > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You haven't missed a thing!! :-)) On 10/06/2015 11:04, Jane Dixon Anderson via wrote: > I've been off Fermanagh Gold for several months because I accidentally blocked it and could not figure out how to unblock it. It seems that I've now sorted it out and I'm getting FG messages again.:-D So I'm looking forwarded to being part of the group once again. My main interests are ELLIOTT & HILLIARD families in the PETTIGO area. > > - Jane --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Jane, Welcome back. Don't know what I'd do without my daily FG fix!! Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

A lot of Presby churches didn't keep death records so often it is a matter of trying to find gravestones. The likes of IGP has some donated from people visiting graveyards and often these might be the only "records" that exist so maybe someone has taken a few at whatever graveyard you need. Fermanagh has done reasonable well with a few people donating photos you can see them here http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/photos/tombstones/markers.htm all it needs is for a few others to contribute when at any Cemetery. other stuff here.. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/index.htm Also, try the Fermanagh Gold website itself where others volunteered to transcribe records, there might be Presby ones there. On 10/06/2015 10:09, Ron Law wrote: > William was about 32 his older brother 34 in 1879 (passenger list) making his parents probably ~>55... in 1901 they would be about >77 if still alive... none that age match... assumed dead... > > No joy there I'm afraid... but a good site... thanks... > Ron --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus