Yes Vi, I was born on Sunday. My nickname was Bonnie Sunday. I named my first daughter Bonnie Amber. Other nicknames are Sunny, Sunshine. Sunday Thompson From: Viola Wiggins <vmaw3434@gmail.com> To: "sunday@brktel.on.ca" <sunday@brktel.on.ca>, "fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Thomson given name Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 11:55:10 +0100 ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Sunday, > (T in cheek.) > Were you born on the sabbath then? > My cousin's son, born on 25 December called Noel. Not a > family name in the naming pattern. Vi > P > > Sunday Thompson > > ===================

Ron, a William Shaw, Mill Street Pettigo, is listed in the nominations for Poor-Law Guardians and District Councillors for Donegal. Derry Journal 30th April 1920. Know he wouldn't be yours Ron, but may be a cousin of your William Matthew Shaw? The marriage of William Matthew Shaw of Boa Island and Isabella Martin, fifth daughter of William Martin, Innisclin, Pettigo is listed in the Derry Journal 14 June 1878 p.2. Many are searching for your family on Google, have you contacted them? HTHs, Carole.

Fermanagh Gold website was recommended. DH On 11/06/2015 22:26, Jane Dixon Anderson via wrote: > Ron & All - > Below is from church records in Pettigo regarding two William Shaws. I had posted BMD records on FG about a year ago, so you might be able to find records like this on their website. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thank you for explaining this, Dave, My g-grandfather Felix Dolan did apply in 1908 for a pension of 10/- pw and it was granted, but I believed it was granted by the Australian Government, not UK! Under that circumstance, there must be a mountain of records somewhere in UK containing vital information. I found g-grandad's application listing in the State Archives here in Brisbane. Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2015 6:45 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD From Fermanagh to Middlesbrough - Martin and Maguire Well at the time they were British citizens and entitled to Pension once they had low income so you see them applying from Oz, Canada etc etc On 11/06/2015 09:32, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: > Dave, > > Do you mean that Pensions were given to persons who immigrated prior to the > Pension Law being enacted? > Did these ex-pats have to have worked for so many years in Ireland prior to > immigration before being a Pension recipient, or were there any other > circumstances considered? > > Dee. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ron - If you send me the names of the brothers/sisters, I'll try to look them up for you. But you should be able to find them on the FG website. I have one ancestor in the Pettigo area with the last name of Kearns but some of her brothers/sisters are spelled Cairns. You have to use your imagination sometimes. I've come across several family trees on Ancestry where I see that the owners have copied my info without contacting me as to whether there might be a connection. They just plop my info into their tree. And then someone else comes along, looks at their tree, decides that person is theirs too, and the problem gets bigger & bigger. I've learned not to copy anything from Ancestry without checking it first. - Jane From: juderon@gmail.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD William Mathew Shaw Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:54:52 +1200 To: andixj@hotmail.com Thanks Jane The 1844 one certainly is a candidate... One thing I'm finding is that people change their names as they journey through life... Our grandfather's certified birth certificate has him born Mathew (one T) Shaw... when he started school in 1889 as a five year old his school register has him as Matthew (double TT) Martin Shaw... The names on certified birth certificates on his 9 brother ad sisters are, in some cases different to the death certificate and even the names mentioned in their parents wills... So I'm learning fast that I need to apply a dgree of bounded rationality... That said, I've come across several folk who have morphed two people into one... eg, my paternal grandmother was born in devon and moved to and died in NZ... there are a couple of family trees I've come across where another woman of the same name and birth date (born and died in York, but lived much of her life in Devon) was 'married' to my grandfather in the family tree... They mixed them up. I would have to assume matthew and mathew were the same person... I'm getting William's formal death certificate to see if I can get some more clues... Needless to say, critical thinking is a pre-requisite for the journey I'm on... and helpful folk like you and others on here. Cheers Ron On 12/06/2015, at 9:26 AM, Jane Dixon Anderson wrote:Ron & All - Below is from church records in Pettigo regarding two William Shaws. I had posted BMD records on FG about a year ago, so you might be able to find records like this on their website. Hope this is the right one for you, Ron. :-) SurnameChristianBirthBaptismFatherMotherAddressShawWilliam03/09/186008/09/1860JohnMaryDRUMCHEERANShawWilliam31/07/184426/08/1844MatthewMaryDRUMKEERAN - Jane > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 18:00:04 +1200 > To: FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD William Mathew Shaw > From: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > Kia Ora > > I'm looking for info on a William Mathew shaw, father, ?Mathew Shaw. Born circa 1845 in Pettigo. > > Married Isabella Martin and migrated to New Zealand in 1879 with older brother Robert who drowned in the Waikato River in 1891... He and Isabella had 10 children in NZ. They died in 1921 and 1923 respectively > > Appears to have lived on Boa Island in 1878. > > Have a marriage record that matches in Tubrid in 1878. > > Any info on these Shaws from Pettigo/Boa Island would be welcome. > > Regards > > Ron > > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dave, Do you mean that Pensions were given to persons who immigrated prior to the Pension Law being enacted? Did these ex-pats have to have worked for so many years in Ireland prior to immigration before being a Pension recipient, or were there any other circumstances considered? Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2015 5:16 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD From Fermanagh to Middlesbrough - Martin and Maguire The others were all in England by 1861 or sooner and Pension started 1908. If they applied when age 70 then the Census Search would be done using 1841 Census details, these Census were later destroyed! Because mine weren't in Ireland for 41 or 51 Census I got the 1821 Census for one lot! The ones for NI are SUPPOSED to be in PRONI BUT that is not the case!! 1000's are still in Dublin and on line on same site as Census. It doesn't matter which Durham as people in Canada applied too.. and all over the world. Berly Eustace's books are the best way to get them all.. even the ones for Kerry that are at PRONI. On 11/06/2015 03:23, Sheila Woods via wrote: > To Carl and Dave H: > > > > I'm talking about Middlesbrough, Yorkshire and Darlington, Durham in > England. By the way, the people I named are all Catholic. > > > > James Martin and Thomas and Owen Maguire were probably all born before 1800. > The others were all in England by 1861 or sooner. When did the > pension come in, and where can I find the records? > > > > Thanks, > > Sheila --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ron & All - Below is from church records in Pettigo regarding two William Shaws. I had posted BMD records on FG about a year ago, so you might be able to find records like this on their website. Hope this is the right one for you, Ron. :-) Surname Christian Birth Baptism Father Mother Address Shaw William 03/09/1860 08/09/1860 John Mary DRUMCHEERAN Shaw William 31/07/1844 26/08/1844 Matthew Mary DRUMKEERAN - Jane > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 18:00:04 +1200 > To: FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD William Mathew Shaw > From: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > Kia Ora > > I'm looking for info on a William Mathew shaw, father, ?Mathew Shaw. Born circa 1845 in Pettigo. > > Married Isabella Martin and migrated to New Zealand in 1879 with older brother Robert who drowned in the Waikato River in 1891... He and Isabella had 10 children in NZ. They died in 1921 and 1923 respectively > > Appears to have lived on Boa Island in 1878. > > Have a marriage record that matches in Tubrid in 1878. > > Any info on these Shaws from Pettigo/Boa Island would be welcome. > > Regards > > Ron > > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>Is there any way of finding out where this person was born? There is one possibility here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=75&query=%2Bgivenname%3AMathew~%20%2Bsurname%3AShaw~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1811-1813~&collection_id=1584963 Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ron Law via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Is there any way of finding out where this person was born? > > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTC1-TY6 > > Ron > > >

David, That's easily fixed - try double-shot coffee! Works for me :) Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DSA2003 via Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2015 12:09 PM To: Dave H; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Mathew Shaw Well spotted! That’s the problem with trying to quickly answer questions first thing in the morning before being fully awake. From: Dave H via Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 9:52 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Mathew Shaw It's a Death record David. >snip>

Is there any way of finding out where this person was born? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTC1-TY6 Ron

On one of their Civil Marriage records, after 1845, one of the paid sites for Irish research, is assuming that if those persons being married are full age, they must be over 21 years of age. That assumption is OK, but then they record if the participants are over 21, then they must be aged 22 !!!!! and 22 is the age recorded in the age column. Misleading for new researchers to genealogy!! Carole.

Hi Ron, I think the townland Inischin is probably Inisclin which is just north of Pettigo on the Fermanagh/Donegal border. I have family from that townland named Clinton. Margaret in Oz.

Dee.. you should check Library for book (interloan?) by Josephine Masterson: /Ireland Ireland 1841/1851 Census Abstracts (Northern Ireland). He's not in Book 1. / *The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland* (PRONI) holds Census Search Forms for people living in Antrim, Armagh, Cavan, Derry, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Monaghan and Tyrone at the time of their pension applications and include those who had been born or spent their childhood in other counties. They are available on microfilm in PRONI's self-service microfilm room,/ / /This is NOT true.. a pile that should be at PRONI are still in Dublin / /AND / /PRONI have a pile that should be in Dublin. / / / /The /two books by Josephine Masterson: /Ireland 1841/1851 Census Abstracts (Republic of Ireland) and Ireland 1841/1851 Census Abstracts (Northern Ireland) are best until PRONI put their lot on line too!! They have some even for Kerry! / / / On 11/06/2015 10:00, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: > Thank you for explaining this, Dave, > > My g-grandfather Felix Dolan did apply in 1908 for a pension of 10/- pw and > it was granted, but I believed it was granted by the Australian Government, > not UK! > Under that circumstance, there must be a mountain of records somewhere in UK > containing vital information. I found g-grandad's application listing in the > State Archives here in Brisbane. > Dee. > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Edward Murphy of John St, Toowoomba, Queensland applied!! Born in Cork.. BUT his Pension would have gone via Aussie Govt Pension Offices so he could get his money, wouldn't it?? On 11/06/2015 10:00, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: > Thank you for explaining this, Dave, > > My g-grandfather Felix Dolan did apply in 1908 for a pension of 10/- pw and > it was granted, but I believed it was granted by the Australian Government, > not UK! > Under that circumstance, there must be a mountain of records somewhere in UK > containing vital information. I found g-grandad's application listing in the > State Archives here in Brisbane. > Dee. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

But you need to check... was it an Aussie Pension or granted via them?? Did they check for his age? How? On 11/06/2015 10:00, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: > Thank you for explaining this, Dave, > > My g-grandfather Felix Dolan did apply in 1908 for a pension of 10/- pw and > it was granted, but I believed it was granted by the Australian Government, > not UK! > Under that circumstance, there must be a mountain of records somewhere in UK > containing vital information. I found g-grandad's application listing in the > State Archives here in Brisbane. > Dee. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Well spotted! That’s the problem with trying to quickly answer questions first thing in the morning before being fully awake. From: Dave H via Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 9:52 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Mathew Shaw It's a Death record David. Name: Mathew Shaw Event Type: Death Event Date: Jan - Mar 1893 Event Place: Downpatrick, Ireland Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1893 Registration District: Downpatrick Age: 81 Birth Year (Estimated): 1812 Volume Number: 1 Page Number: 414 On 11/06/2015 02:07, DSA2003 via wrote: > Ron > > As the information states on the web page you give, it is the civil registration births index details for Matthew Shaw. You can use that information to order a copy of the birth certificate from the General Register Office for Ireland which will give you the full information that was recorded for official purposes at the time. > > < https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx > > > David Armstrong > > Western Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Miss M Martin, 566 Main Street, Medford, Mass applied, born Coolcrannel, Drumgoon, Killashanbally, Tattinderry, Bridge Town, Lisnaskea Town On 11/06/2015 09:32, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: > Dave, > > Do you mean that Pensions were given to persons who immigrated prior to the > Pension Law being enacted? > Did these ex-pats have to have worked for so many years in Ireland prior to > immigration before being a Pension recipient, or were there any other > circumstances considered? > > Dee. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Edward Murphy of John St, Toowoomba, Queensland applied!! Born in Cork.. On 11/06/2015 09:32, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: > Dave, > > Do you mean that Pensions were given to persons who immigrated prior to the > Pension Law being enacted? > Did these ex-pats have to have worked for so many years in Ireland prior to > immigration before being a Pension recipient, or were there any other > circumstances considered? > > Dee. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Well at the time they were British citizens and entitled to Pension once they had low income so you see them applying from Oz, Canada etc etc On 11/06/2015 09:32, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: > Dave, > > Do you mean that Pensions were given to persons who immigrated prior to the > Pension Law being enacted? > Did these ex-pats have to have worked for so many years in Ireland prior to > immigration before being a Pension recipient, or were there any other > circumstances considered? > > Dee. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

There is an avalanche of Shaws around Vi, this one mightn't even be related. DH On 11/06/2015 09:16, Viola Wiggins via wrote: > Perhaps you could order a copy of the death Entry from the General Registry > Rosscommon as he died before 1922 when the Border was set up and it is > cheaper then ordering from GRONI in Belfast. The entry gives the 1st Quarter > of 1893, in Downpatrick aged 81 years. Quote the Volume No 1 and Page > number 414. That might give you who registered the death. > Name: Mathew Shaw > Event Type: Death > Event Date: Jan - Mar 1893 > Event Place: Downpatrick, Ireland > Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1893 > Registration District: Downpatrick > Age: 81 > Birth Year (Estimated): 1812 > Volume Number: 1 > Page Number: 414 > > > Otherwise search in person through the Local Paper for an Obituary and the > PRONI Wills for a Will. > Or see if familysearch has a registered birth fro him c1812 + or - 2 years. > Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus