What about the driver? ? R On 17/06/2015, at 9:22 AM, Dave H via wrote: > Only 57.... one was on whiskey so bus wasn't balanced! > > > > On 16/06/2015 21:54, Ron Law wrote: >> "It held 58 passengers fully loaded..." >> >> Guinness? >> >> Ron > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sometimes families gave place of birth as a nearby town or registration district instead of town land or village. For years looked for my Scottish great great grandfather in Glasgow Lanarkshire until I finally found his obituary from 1915 in NY that stated he was born in Johnstone, Renfrewshire in 1830. Johnstone is about 10 miles from Glasgow city. Bingo found the whole family in 1841 census! When searching for births the best reminder is to widen the scope as mother frequently went to her family for birthing. Janet Sent from my iPhone

"It held 58 passengers fully loaded..." Guinness? Ron On 17/06/2015, at 8:29 AM, Dave H via wrote: > Plenty of people nearby probably claimed for new underwear.... :-)) > > > > > On 16/06/2015 21:03, Ulster Ancestry via wrote: >> Only last year a bus turned over on its side while taking a corner too fast in Belfast City center >> It held 58 passengers fully loaded, plus the driver making 59 >> Translink the bus operators, received 87 personal injury claims, so you see they are still at it! >> best regards >> Robert > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am in the same boat with my families Janet. When so many people died in Cavan during the Famine, how did my family make it through? The Gilleeces in Fermanagh had a larger farm and so probably eked it out. But the Reillys in Drumrush. How did they do it? I only know information going back to my ggps' marriage, as with yours. It's interesting that my direct ancestors (grandmother and great uncles) didn't emigrate until well after the Famine--the early 1900s. By this time the family was off the farm and in the town of Belturbet. I have been there and have asked folks for information/stories but no one wanted to talk about times back then. They say no one remembers. Val Sent from my iPad > On Jun 17, 2015, at 7:33 AM, Janet Morgan via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Since my great great grandparents were dirt poor farmers I wonder how they survived their childhoods. Cannot find any family info prior to their marriage in 1857 but I am so grateful for that much! Will probably never go back another generation but with a name like Maguire it is not easy. > Janet > > Sent from my iPhone >>

Thank you Robert. My people from Killyculla and Coolcarn were Bannon and Muldoon. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ulster Ancestry via Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 4:08 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Tempo RC graveyard Edenmore graveyard, Church Tempo RC , Catholic Parish of Enniskillen What is the family name? regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > To: seanroche1@hotmail.com; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com; sallyfactor@optonline.net > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:28:49 +0100 > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Tempo RC graveyard > From: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > > > > To: sallyfactor@optonline.net; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 07:52:56 +0000 > > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Tempo RC graveyard > > From: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > > > hi, > > > > As far as i know... > > > > Immaculate Conception is the RC Church in Tempo. > > > > Edenmore is the RC Cemetery in Tempo. > > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/counties/index.cfm?fuseaction=grave yards&CityCounty=Fermanagh > > > > > > There is a database of Edenmore graves apparently held by... > > > > NAME > > Irish World Family History Services > > > > > > ADDRESS > > > > Family History Suite > > > > 51 Dungannon Road > > > > Coalisland B71 4HP, > > > > Co. Tyrone BT71 4HP > > > > Northern Ireland. > > > > > > > > > > TELEPHONE > > > > +44 (0) 28 8774 6065, > > > > > > ORGANIZATION > > Irish Family History Foundation > > > > > > EMAIL > > info@irish-world.com > > > > > > WEBSITE > > http://www.irish-world.com/ > > > > > > maybe someone > > > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 15:20:36 -0400 > > > From: sallyfactor@optonline.net > > > Subject: RE: FERMANAGH-GOLD Tempo RC graveyard > > > To: seanroche1@hotmail.com; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Thank you for the question as I need the answer also...I once saw a Baptism > > > cert from Immaculate Conception c late 1800's I don't know where it is. The > > > person was from Tempo. On what road is the > > > Present Tempo graveyard? Thank you for your time > > > Sally in CT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iss the address > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sean roche via > > > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 11:18 AM > > > To: fermanagh gold > > > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Tempo RC graveyard > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > I have a question... > > > > > > Before Tempo RC graveyard was opened c.1920'S I think... > > > > > > where were Tempo RC people buried before this ?? > > > > > > Pubble I am guessing ?? > > > > > > In the late 1800's if a person had no headstone, does that mean were they > > > interred in individual unmarked graves ?? > > > > > > What if they died pennyless - did they have such things as paupers and/or > > > mass graves ?? > > > > > > I am looking for a Sarah FEE b.c.1843 who must have died before 1901. > > > > > > Thank you for any help. > > > > > > SEAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================== > > > > > > https://www.google.ie/ > > > ================================== > > > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ================================== > > > > https://www.google.ie/ > > ================================== > > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

SHAW ROBERT 28/01/1842 06/07/1842 MARTIN MARY ROSSGOLE MARTIN ISABELLA 21/04/1838 29/04/1838 CHRISTOPHER MARY COLLINS KIMMID Above is from the records I had sent to you & which is posted on the FG website. I think this is your Robert, except that whoever transcribed it showed the father as Martin and not Matthew. If the record above is your Isabella, you are lucky that the mother's maiden name was included, Collins. - Jane > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 15:15:06 +1200 > To: FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD William Mathew Shaw & Isabella > From: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > Thanks to all those who have fed back re William Mathew Shaw and Isabella Martin, our maternal great grandparents. > > Special mention to Robyn who scored me a copy of the original marriage register with signatures that matched those on their wills.!!! Felt like a BINGO/Eureka moment!! That is prima facie evidence that I have connected the right dots to Ireland! > > They are definitely From Boa Island/Pettigo (William) and Inischin/Pettigo Isabella not Enniskillen as recorded in some transcribed documents in NZ. > > So we have established our home base in Ireland with 100% certainty!! A definite Ireland/NZ connection and a definite Shaw in Boa Island and Pettigo. > > > Now to go back in time one step further. > > William was born circa 1845-7, he had an older brother (Robert) about 2 years older. > > William's father was Mathew... Mother still unknown > > Isabella was born in c1860... was the fifth child... mother ?? Margaret Mulholland > > Any more candidates for another Eureka moment would be welcome. Once this next one is nailed we have all ancestors back to at least the very early 1800's... some back to the 1482... Birth of Joan Cocking in Cornwall, England, my 11 times great grandmother! > > > > Thanks again... > > a very grateful Ron Law > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has no one worked it out yet? 59 in the bus.... the other 28 were pushing it! On 16/06/2015 21:03, Ulster Ancestry via wrote: > It held 58 passengers fully loaded, plus the driver making 59 > Translink the bus operators, received 87 personal injury claims --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

OH... Did they need one?? On 16/06/2015 22:39, Ron Law wrote: > What about the driver? > > ? > > R --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Only 57.... one was on whiskey so bus wasn't balanced! On 16/06/2015 21:54, Ron Law wrote: > "It held 58 passengers fully loaded..." > > Guinness? > > Ron --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Plenty of people nearby probably claimed for new underwear.... :-)) On 16/06/2015 21:03, Ulster Ancestry via wrote: > Only last year a bus turned over on its side while taking a corner too fast in Belfast City center > It held 58 passengers fully loaded, plus the driver making 59 > Translink the bus operators, received 87 personal injury claims, so you see they are still at it! > best regards > Robert --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Edenmore graveyard, Church Tempo RC , Catholic Parish of Enniskillen What is the family name? regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > To: seanroche1@hotmail.com; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com; sallyfactor@optonline.net > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:28:49 +0100 > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Tempo RC graveyard > From: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > > > > To: sallyfactor@optonline.net; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 07:52:56 +0000 > > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Tempo RC graveyard > > From: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > > > hi, > > > > As far as i know... > > > > Immaculate Conception is the RC Church in Tempo. > > > > Edenmore is the RC Cemetery in Tempo. > > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/counties/index.cfm?fuseaction=graveyards&CityCounty=Fermanagh > > > > > > There is a database of Edenmore graves apparently held by... > > > > NAME > > Irish World Family History Services > > > > > > ADDRESS > > > > Family History Suite > > > > 51 Dungannon Road > > > > Coalisland B71 4HP, > > > > Co. Tyrone BT71 4HP > > > > Northern Ireland. > > > > > > > > > > TELEPHONE > > > > +44 (0) 28 8774 6065, > > > > > > ORGANIZATION > > Irish Family History Foundation > > > > > > EMAIL > > info@irish-world.com > > > > > > WEBSITE > > http://www.irish-world.com/ > > > > > > maybe someone > > > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 15:20:36 -0400 > > > From: sallyfactor@optonline.net > > > Subject: RE: FERMANAGH-GOLD Tempo RC graveyard > > > To: seanroche1@hotmail.com; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Thank you for the question as I need the answer also...I once saw a Baptism > > > cert from Immaculate Conception c late 1800's I don't know where it is. The > > > person was from Tempo. On what road is the > > > Present Tempo graveyard? Thank you for your time > > > Sally in CT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iss the address > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sean roche via > > > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 11:18 AM > > > To: fermanagh gold > > > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Tempo RC graveyard > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > I have a question... > > > > > > Before Tempo RC graveyard was opened c.1920'S I think... > > > > > > where were Tempo RC people buried before this ?? > > > > > > Pubble I am guessing ?? > > > > > > In the late 1800's if a person had no headstone, does that mean were they > > > interred in individual unmarked graves ?? > > > > > > What if they died pennyless - did they have such things as paupers and/or > > > mass graves ?? > > > > > > I am looking for a Sarah FEE b.c.1843 who must have died before 1901. > > > > > > Thank you for any help. > > > > > > SEAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================== > > > > > > https://www.google.ie/ > > > ================================== > > > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ================================== > > > > https://www.google.ie/ > > ================================== > > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Only last year a bus turned over on its side while taking a corner too fast in Belfast City center It held 58 passengers fully loaded, plus the driver making 59 Translink the bus operators, received 87 personal injury claims, so you see they are still at it! best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:48:02 +0100 > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD PENSIONS FOR IRISH ABROAD > From: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > I can see how that caused hilarity.... > > 193138/184000 = 1.07299% and show how little the Chancellor of the > Exchequer knew!! > > DH > > > > On 15/06/2015 10:56, DSA2003 wrote: > > no fewer than 193,138 persons have put in claims although there are > > only 184,000 persons known to be living over 70 years of age. The > > percentage of the persons claiming old age pensions to the population > > over 70 years of age, after deducting those in receipt of Poor Law > > relief, is therefore, remarked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to the > > great amusement of the House, on the basis of the figures quoted : In > > England, 54 per cent. ; in Wales, 56 per cent. ; in Scotland, 60 per > > cent. ; and in Ireland, 128 per cent. ...” > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mine accidentally sold share in mines.... then remembered he didn't own them! :-)) probably old age or homesick!! Must see if he applied for Pension accidentally! DH On 16/06/2015 16:16, Carol and Joe Marlo via wrote: > As Eilish says, these folks would never want to go back to their homelands -- no matter where those lands were. > Carol --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

This was the same story in the settling of the U. S.  Even some of the relatively well-off immigrants came here because they could purchase land.  Some of the oldest families in Virginia were established by the younger sons of the gentry, who were not able to own land in the old country because of primogeniture laws.  My own Yorkshireman came to Virginia as a bondsman. That is, he agreed to work for someone to pay off his passage to the new world.  When he died about forty years later, he left a 400-acre farm and sizable possessions to his children.  This was also the big inducement for the German immigrants who came in through our southern ports, made their way up the Mississippi River to the Missouri River, followed that river west, and settled the western part of Missouri.  As Eilish says, these folks would never want to go back to their homelands  --  no matter where those lands were. Carol From: Eilish via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: Dee Byster-Graham <deebg@bigpond.net.au>; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 5:00 PM Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD PENSIONS FOR IRISH ABROAD My McHughs came here for a better life, to get away from English oppression but most importantly, to have their own LAND! They too worked hard but were able to achieve what they never would in Ireland. After just a few years of work, they bought their parcels of land across the road from a cemetery and so became part time grave diggers as well as owner-farmers. Nobody had any intention of ever going back. This must have seemed like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for them. And one first generation Australian became a barman -- never too far from the Guinness! Eilish On 15/06/2015 7:44 PM, Dee Byster-Graham via wrote: > I agree. > And it is likely that a percentage of those who left to win their fortune in > Oz and elsewhere did so with the firm intention of going 'home' when they > earned enough money or found that mythical gold boulder- it was perhaps > never their intention to stay as long as they did, and never dreamt they > would one day need a pension to get by on. > Others, as my ancestors, came here determined to start a new life and family > in a new land - they surely had to work hard, but freedom and equity seemed > to be their goal, rather wealth only. > To be amongst the first to purchase a large double plot in a new cemetery as > soon as it opened indicated, more than anything else, their determination to > make a go of it in their adopted land. > And they still enjoyed their Guinness sure:) > > Dee. > -----Original Message----- > From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via > Sent: Monday, 15 June 2015 6:42 PM > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD PENSIONS FOR IRISH ABROAD > > Yes I think that's correct and they had to apply in Ireland as they > qualified there. > > Handy to know, as if someone is found applying through Ireland it > possibly/probably is an indicator of when they left Ireland (less than > 25 yrs ago) to look for ship records etc.. > > Obviously if they had qualified in Oz, NZ etc they would have applied there, > much easier. I don't need to look for anyone and was just wondering. > > It must have been annoying in NZ having to watch others getting Pension yet > others had to wait until they qualified in Ireland/ under Irish conditions > in 1908. > > It would drive then to drink but they didn't have Pension to buy any!  :-)) > > Dave. > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My McHughs came here for a better life, to get away from English oppression but most importantly, to have their own LAND! They too worked hard but were able to achieve what they never would in Ireland. After just a few years of work, they bought their parcels of land across the road from a cemetery and so became part time grave diggers as well as owner-farmers. Nobody had any intention of ever going back. This must have seemed like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for them. And one first generation Australian became a barman -- never too far from the Guinness! Eilish On 15/06/2015 7:44 PM, Dee Byster-Graham via wrote: > I agree. > And it is likely that a percentage of those who left to win their fortune in > Oz and elsewhere did so with the firm intention of going 'home' when they > earned enough money or found that mythical gold boulder- it was perhaps > never their intention to stay as long as they did, and never dreamt they > would one day need a pension to get by on. > Others, as my ancestors, came here determined to start a new life and family > in a new land - they surely had to work hard, but freedom and equity seemed > to be their goal, rather wealth only. > To be amongst the first to purchase a large double plot in a new cemetery as > soon as it opened indicated, more than anything else, their determination to > make a go of it in their adopted land. > And they still enjoyed their Guinness sure:) > > Dee. > -----Original Message----- > From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via > Sent: Monday, 15 June 2015 6:42 PM > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD PENSIONS FOR IRISH ABROAD > > Yes I think that's correct and they had to apply in Ireland as they > qualified there. > > Handy to know, as if someone is found applying through Ireland it > possibly/probably is an indicator of when they left Ireland (less than > 25 yrs ago) to look for ship records etc.. > > Obviously if they had qualified in Oz, NZ etc they would have applied there, > much easier. I don't need to look for anyone and was just wondering. > > It must have been annoying in NZ having to watch others getting Pension yet > others had to wait until they qualified in Ireland/ under Irish conditions > in 1908. > > It would drive then to drink but they didn't have Pension to buy any! :-)) > > Dave. > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

maybe that's why Guinness is a global brand...! On 15/06/2015, at 8:41 PM, Dave H via wrote: > Yes I think that's correct and they had to apply in Ireland as they > qualified there. > > Handy to know, as if someone is found applying through Ireland it > possibly/probably is an indicator of when they left Ireland (less than > 25 yrs ago) to look for ship records etc.. > > Obviously if they had qualified in Oz, NZ etc they would have applied > there, much easier. I don't need to look for anyone and was just wondering. > > It must have been annoying in NZ having to watch others getting Pension > yet others had to wait until they qualified in Ireland/ under Irish > conditions in 1908. > > It would drive then to drink but they didn't have Pension to buy any! :-)) > > Dave. > > > > On 15/06/2015 09:14, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: >> Dave, >> >> The only reason I could assume is that they were not eligible to claim the >> pension in the country where they were living, but were still eligible to >> claim from Ireland as Irish citizens. >> My g-grandad was a young man of around 28 years when they immigrated, thus >> he spent most of his working life in Australia as he worked until he was 74. >> He applied to be included, and was placed on the voting Roll after 2 years >> residence, in 1864. >> If you do find the reason please let us know, it is interesting! >> >> Dee. > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dave, the missing figure from your calculation is the “after deducting those in receipt of Poor Law relief”, a figure which isn’t given in the statement. David From: Dave H via Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 6:48 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD PENSIONS FOR IRISH ABROAD I can see how that caused hilarity.... 193138/184000 = 1.07299% and show how little the Chancellor of the Exchequer knew!! DH On 15/06/2015 10:56, DSA2003 wrote: > no fewer than 193,138 persons have put in claims although there are > only 184,000 persons known to be living over 70 years of age. The > percentage of the persons claiming old age pensions to the population > over 70 years of age, after deducting those in receipt of Poor Law > relief, is therefore, remarked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to the > great amusement of the House, on the basis of the figures quoted : In > England, 54 per cent. ; in Wales, 56 per cent. ; in Scotland, 60 per > cent. ; and in Ireland, 128 per cent. ...” --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I agree. And it is likely that a percentage of those who left to win their fortune in Oz and elsewhere did so with the firm intention of going 'home' when they earned enough money or found that mythical gold boulder- it was perhaps never their intention to stay as long as they did, and never dreamt they would one day need a pension to get by on. Others, as my ancestors, came here determined to start a new life and family in a new land - they surely had to work hard, but freedom and equity seemed to be their goal, rather wealth only. To be amongst the first to purchase a large double plot in a new cemetery as soon as it opened indicated, more than anything else, their determination to make a go of it in their adopted land. And they still enjoyed their Guinness sure:) Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Monday, 15 June 2015 6:42 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD PENSIONS FOR IRISH ABROAD Yes I think that's correct and they had to apply in Ireland as they qualified there. Handy to know, as if someone is found applying through Ireland it possibly/probably is an indicator of when they left Ireland (less than 25 yrs ago) to look for ship records etc.. Obviously if they had qualified in Oz, NZ etc they would have applied there, much easier. I don't need to look for anyone and was just wondering. It must have been annoying in NZ having to watch others getting Pension yet others had to wait until they qualified in Ireland/ under Irish conditions in 1908. It would drive then to drink but they didn't have Pension to buy any! :-)) Dave. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dave, The only reason I could assume is that they were not eligible to claim the pension in the country where they were living, but were still eligible to claim from Ireland as Irish citizens. My g-grandad was a young man of around 28 years when they immigrated, thus he spent most of his working life in Australia as he worked until he was 74. He applied to be included, and was placed on the voting Roll after 2 years residence, in 1864. If you do find the reason please let us know, it is interesting! Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Monday, 15 June 2015 5:45 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD PENSIONS FOR IRISH ABROAD Thanks everyone, it was the significance of them applying here in Ireland I was wondering about. DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G’day everybody The Pension Act under discussion was an Act of the United Kingdom Parliament in London and applicable to all the countries of the UK, the countries of the Empire being responsible for their own aged population. Because of the late start (1864) to the Civil Registration of Births in Ireland, Irish applicants didn’t have Birth Certificates to support their claims to the pension, which led to... ”From The Outlook (December 4) 1908 Ireland has always contributed more than its due share to the humours as well as the worries of Parliamentary proceedings ; but it eclipsed itself on Monday night, when Mr. Lloyd George made a statement as to the claims so far made for old age pensions in different parts of the Kingdom. Whilst in England only 367,197 persons out of 898,000 over 70 years of age have claimed pensions, in Wales 23,968 out of 59,000, and in Scotland 68,785 out of 134,000, it appears that in Ireland no fewer than 193,138 persons have put in claims although there are only 184,000 persons known to be living over 70 years of age. The percentage of the persons claiming old age pensions to the population over 70 years of age, after deducting those in receipt of Poor Law relief, is therefore, remarked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to the great amusement of the House, on the basis of the figures quoted : In England, 54 per cent. ; in Wales, 56 per cent. ; in Scotland, 60 per cent. ; and in Ireland, 128 per cent. ...” David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus