Well it's what should be happening Dee. Am often amazed at the number of people seeking help, not just on FG but other counties, then visit g/yards and take no photos that might help someone else who may not be able to visit. Have seen others who post and post, get great help, then go to g/yards and take 2 or 3 photos of their folk and post them. in full knowledge that others need photos at that g/yard. Pity that Snow g/stone isn't legible enough.... Anyway you know there's one there! Dave On 19/06/2015 01:02, Dee Byster-Graham via wrote: > Dave, > > Thank you so much for posting this great link. Beautiful old stones, many > still quite legible. > Also for singling out the LOVE gravestone for me - very much appreciated. > Grateful thanks also to John Cunningham for photographing the site, the > DOLAN stones are undoubtedly my family although just where they fit in the > tree remains to be sorted. > Can't begin to explain how profoundly awesome it is to view these old > graveyards and church ruins - all thanks to a handful of dedicated, kind > people! > > Dee. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

The LOVE g/stone is in Beleek g/yard which I don't think anyone has donated any photos to IGP for it, hopefully someone visiting soon might take some as they could benefit FG members... The photo is here but not a close up! https://plus.google.com/photos/102092340271323288163/albums/5416249088548324529/5416252979101324738?banner=pwa&pid=5416252979101324738&oid=102092340271323288163 Reckon some photos from here could be beneficial! DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Just came across this site https://plus.google.com/photos/102092340271323288163/albums/5416249088548324529?banner=pwa with some VERY old g/stones which might be of interest... I see a LOVE and DOLAN, ELLIOTT amongst them Plus at end of slide show some interesting photos of places!! DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thank you so much for the link, Clive. Important information for each townland, including number of houses and out buildings. The fall in the townland numbers, between 1841 & 1851, really enforced the dramatic effects of the famine. Best Wishes, Carole.

Yes, the effect of the famine was dramatic and affected almost everyone. It is a subject a lot of the surviving people would not talk about. On Thursday 18 Jun 2015 12:15:39 CARELL via wrote: > Thank you so much for the link, Clive. > Important information for each townland, including number of houses and > out buildings. The fall in the townland numbers, between 1841 & 1851, > really enforced the dramatic effects of the famine. > Best Wishes, > Carole. > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Isabella... Robert fits... Time and area... This Isabella is a generation earlier... Mine was recorded as 18 in 1878 at her wedding/20 on the passenger list early 1879... so she'd have been born circa 1860. Ron On 17/06/2015, at 9:30 PM, Jane Dixon Anderson wrote: > SHAW ROBERT 28/01/1842 06/07/1842 MARTIN MARY ROSSGOLE > > MARTIN ISABELLA 21/04/1838 29/04/1838 CHRISTOPHER MARY COLLINS KIMMID > > Above is from the records I had sent to you & which is posted on the FG website. I think this is your Robert, except that whoever transcribed it showed the father as Martin and not Matthew. If the record above is your Isabella, you are lucky that the mother's maiden name was included, Collins. > > - Jane > > > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 15:15:06 +1200 > > To: FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD William Mathew Shaw & Isabella > > From: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > > > Thanks to all those who have fed back re William Mathew Shaw and Isabella Martin, our maternal great grandparents. > > > > Special mention to Robyn who scored me a copy of the original marriage register with signatures that matched those on their wills.!!! Felt like a BINGO/Eureka moment!! That is prima facie evidence that I have connected the right dots to Ireland! > > > > They are definitely From Boa Island/Pettigo (William) and Inischin/Pettigo Isabella not Enniskillen as recorded in some transcribed documents in NZ. > > > > So we have established our home base in Ireland with 100% certainty!! A definite Ireland/NZ connection and a definite Shaw in Boa Island and Pettigo. > > > > > > Now to go back in time one step further. > > > > William was born circa 1845-7, he had an older brother (Robert) about 2 years older. > > > > William's father was Mathew... Mother still unknown > > > > Isabella was born in c1860... was the fifth child... mother ?? Margaret Mulholland > > > > Any more candidates for another Eureka moment would be welcome. Once this next one is nailed we have all ancestors back to at least the very early 1800's... some back to the 1482... Birth of Joan Cocking in Cornwall, England, my 11 times great grandmother! > > > > > > > > Thanks again... > > > > a very grateful Ron Law > > ================================== > > > > https://www.google.ie/ > > ================================== > > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert, What an absolutely tragic story - those poor, poor people. Man's inhumanity to his fellow man beggars belief sometimes. To read about the famine years shakes one to the core - it would be indescribable torture to try to live through them! Thank you for sharing, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ulster Ancestry via Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 9:12 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com; cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD The Penny Lean Willie Carlin writing in the book Workhouses of the North West tells of unearthing this sad story from the files of a local newspaper the Tyrone Constitution. The title for the report "A sad Christmas" is I think somewhat understated and in our World of plenty it is hard to imagine or comprehend such hardship and suffering. Thomas Gilroy, a native of Manorcunningham County Donegal, left his home with his young wife and six children in search of employment in the City of Glasgow. He arrived there early in August 1847 but by the time November came there was little work to be had and no food or shelter. His wife was taken ill with fever,followed by Thomas and three of the children, two of whom died. Weak and straving,unable to care for his wife and four remaining children,Thomas was given the sum of two shillings and sixpence and he and his family were put on a boat to Derry Quay. When they arrived at the Londonderry Workhouse they were refused admission because they had no transfer documentation. They were told to go on to Strabane 14 miles away. After sheltering overnight from the cold and miserable weather, the sad bedragled little group set out the next day to walk the 14 miles to Strabane. The only food to be had was raw turnips which they found growing in fields along the way. They were barely able to stand when they got to Strabane Workhouse on the 10th of December. When they asked to be admitted they were again turned away because they had no official identification. Eventually they found shelter at Melmount with an old woman who had little food to spare herself. Starved and exhausted Thomas Gilroy lay down on the damp earth alongside his family. Early on the morning of the 17th of December Thomas and his youngest child, died. The inquiry that followed found they had died from starvation. The gate keeper at the workhouse was reprimanded for ignoring the plight of the Gilroy family,and Mrs Gilroy and her three surviving children were taken into workhouse care. The old lady whose cabin they had shared at Melmount was given a subscription for laying out the bodies of Thomas and his child,before they were carried to the paupers graveyard for burial <snip> ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would add that migrants often gave the nearest big town in their old country as their place of origin which their new countrymen would have heard about, e.g. Glasgow in the example that Janet gives. David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia From: Janet Morgan via Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:28 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Places of birth Sometimes families gave place of birth as a nearby town or registration district instead of town land or village. For years looked for my Scottish great great grandfather in Glasgow Lanarkshire until I finally found his obituary from 1915 in NY that stated he was born in Johnstone, Renfrewshire in 1830. Johnstone is about 10 miles from Glasgow city. Bingo found the whole family in 1841 census! When searching for births the best reminder is to widen the scope as mother frequently went to her family for birthing. Janet --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Always glad to help out & assist with records on GRONI or otherwise, Was happy to use credits to help you find your family when you want to be sure. It's the only way if one cannot confirm on FG parish registers or from the helpful advice from the list. Carole's post was certainly a huge help. Regards Robyn, Oz a very grateful Ron Law ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> It is histpop.org > > I have information in my sources from Census of Ireland for the year 1881 - > not sure what else is there but I am sure you will be able to find something. Thank You so much Margaret. That's exactly what I was looking for. Population for each townland in Derryvullan taken in 1841 & 1851. Very much appreciated. Best wishes, Carole.

Hi Carole, I think previously I have found information like this from dippam.ac.uk I am pretty sure they have censuses during 1800s when all they did was count people rather than note who was who. I think it is in the Enhanced Parliamentary Papers Section. No, I am wrong - it is histpop.org I have information in my sources from Census of Ireland for the year 1881 - not sure what else is there but I am sure you will be able to find something. Best wishes, Margaret

Thanks to all those who have fed back re William Mathew Shaw and Isabella Martin, our maternal great grandparents. Special mention to Robyn who scored me a copy of the original marriage register with signatures that matched those on their wills.!!! Felt like a BINGO/Eureka moment!! That is prima facie evidence that I have connected the right dots to Ireland! They are definitely From Boa Island/Pettigo (William) and Inischin/Pettigo Isabella not Enniskillen as recorded in some transcribed documents in NZ. So we have established our home base in Ireland with 100% certainty!! A definite Ireland/NZ connection and a definite Shaw in Boa Island and Pettigo. Now to go back in time one step further. William was born circa 1845-7, he had an older brother (Robert) about 2 years older. William's father was Mathew... Mother still unknown Isabella was born in c1860... was the fifth child... mother ?? Margaret Mulholland Any more candidates for another Eureka moment would be welcome. Once this next one is nailed we have all ancestors back to at least the very early 1800's... some back to the 1482... Birth of Joan Cocking in Cornwall, England, my 11 times great grandmother! Thanks again... a very grateful Ron Law

Yes if you're looking for stuff on Civil Reg or LDS you search them by Registry Office locations not their address.... On 17/06/2015 14:28, Janet Morgan via wrote: > Sometimes families gave place of birth as a nearby town or registration district instead of town land or village. > For years looked for my Scottish great great grandfather in Glasgow Lanarkshire until I finally found his obituary from 1915 in NY that stated he was born in Johnstone, Renfrewshire in 1830. Johnstone is about 10 miles from Glasgow city. > Bingo found the whole family in 1841 census! > When searching for births the best reminder is to widen the scope as mother frequently went to her family for birthing. > Janet --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Carole, The following link should be to the page in the document you require. The other townlands are listed. http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/PageBrowser?path=Browse/Census%20%28by%20geography%29/Ireland/1851&active=yes&mno=395&tocstate=expandnew&display=sections&display=tables&display=pagetitles&pageseq=19&zoom=4 Clive On Wednesday 17 Jun 2015 11:03:04 CARELL via wrote: > In an item written for the Devenish Parish news, the population for the > townland of Shallany in Derryvullan was listed as..... > In 1841 the population was 116, but dropped to 108 in 1851, after the > Famine. > > Where can I find the census population for the other townlands in > Derryvullan? > > Thanks List, > Carole. > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes Dee. Hard times indeed. Just last Monday at PRONI, I was reading through the Vestry Minute Book of St Canice's Church in the parish of Upper Moville in County Donegal. A fasinateing volume dating from January 1770 giving the reader a first hand insight into the lives and times of this congregation{of which my own family were members} for over 150 years. I found a copy letter from the clergyman written in the Spring of 1847 to the Authorities in Dublin Castle thanking them for the leaflets they had sent containing the cooking instructions for Indian Corn {Maize.} Another letter showed that a year later that was all they had received, the cooking instructions, no maize. It never did arrive. Seven members of my direct family died in 1847/48. My father's great grandparents and 5 of their children, leaving 2 orphans to be raised by their aged grandparents. best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > From: deebg@bigpond.net.au > To: ulsterancestry@hotmail.com; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com; cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: FERMANAGH-GOLD The Penny Lean > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 21:58:58 +1000 > > Robert, > > What an absolutely tragic story - those poor, poor people. Man's inhumanity > to his fellow man beggars belief sometimes. > To read about the famine years shakes one to the core - it would be > indescribable torture to try to live through them! > Thank you for sharing, > > Dee. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ulster Ancestry > via > Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 9:12 PM > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com; cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD The Penny Lean > > > > Willie Carlin writing > in the book Workhouses of the North West tells of unearthing this sad story > from the files of a local newspaper > > the Tyrone Constitution. > > > > The title for the report "A sad Christmas" is I think somewhat understated > and in our World of plenty it is hard to imagine or comprehend such hardship > and suffering. > > > > Thomas Gilroy, a native of Manorcunningham County Donegal, left his home > with his young wife and six children in search of employment in the City of > Glasgow. > > > > He arrived there early in August 1847 but by the time November came > there was little work to be had and no food or shelter. His wife was > taken ill with fever,followed by Thomas and three of the children, two > of whom died. > > > > Weak and straving,unable to care for his wife and four remaining > children,Thomas was given the sum of two shillings and sixpence and he > and his family were put on a boat to Derry Quay. When they arrived at the > Londonderry Workhouse they were refused admission because they had no > transfer documentation. They were told to go on to Strabane 14 miles > away. > > > > After sheltering overnight from the cold and miserable weather, the sad > bedragled little group set out > the next day to walk the 14 miles to Strabane. > > The only food to be had was raw turnips which they found growing in fields > along the way. They were barely able to > stand when they got to Strabane Workhouse on the 10th of December. When > they asked to be admitted they were again turned away because they had no > official identification. > > > > Eventually they found shelter at Melmount with an old woman who had > little food to spare herself. Starved and exhausted Thomas Gilroy lay > down on the damp earth alongside his family. Early on the morning of the > 17th of December Thomas and his youngest child, died. > > > > The inquiry that followed found they had died from starvation. The > gate keeper at the workhouse was reprimanded for ignoring the plight of > the Gilroy family,and Mrs Gilroy and her three surviving children were > taken into workhouse care. > > > The old lady whose cabin they had shared at > Melmount was given a subscription for laying out the bodies > > of Thomas and his child,before they were carried to the paupers graveyard > for burial > <snip> > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Our family were itinerant farmers well into 1890's when they settled in Lehinch in Galloon parish. They finally purchased the property and one bachelor uncle lived there until 1920-30. 3 emigrated in 1880 to USA and 2 emigrated to Scotland while one married the boy next door and another sister married a man from Cavan.family still owns and resides in Lehinch while farm and original house have deteriorated . Janet Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Valerie Ackroyd <johal521@me.com> wrote: > > I am in the same boat with my families Janet. When so many people died in Cavan during the Famine, how did my family make it through? The Gilleeces in Fermanagh had a larger farm and so probably eked it out. But the Reillys in Drumrush. How did they do it? I only know information going back to my ggps' marriage, as with yours. It's interesting that my direct ancestors (grandmother and great uncles) didn't emigrate until well after the Famine--the early 1900s. By this time the family was off the farm and in the town of Belturbet. I have been there and have asked folks for information/stories but no one wanted to talk about times back then. They say no one remembers. > > Val > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jun 17, 2015, at 7:33 AM, Janet Morgan via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Since my great great grandparents were dirt poor farmers I wonder how they survived their childhoods. Cannot find any family info prior to their marriage in 1857 but I am so grateful for that much! Will probably never go back another generation but with a name like Maguire it is not easy. >> Janet >> >> Sent from my iPhone >>>

Goodness! Being fully loaded I thought it meant several of them were seeing double!! Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 10:13 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD PENSIONS FOR IRISH ABROAD Has no one worked it out yet? 59 in the bus.... the other 28 were pushing it! On 16/06/2015 21:03, Ulster Ancestry via wrote: > It held 58 passengers fully loaded, plus the driver making 59 > Translink the bus operators, received 87 personal injury claims --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Willie Carlin writing in the book Workhouses of the North West tells of unearthing this sad story from the files of a local newspaper the Tyrone Constitution. The title for the report "A sad Christmas" is I think somewhat understated and in our World of plenty it is hard to imagine or comprehend such hardship and suffering. Thomas Gilroy, a native of Manorcunningham County Donegal, left his home with his young wife and six children in search of employment in the City of Glasgow. He arrived there early in August 1847 but by the time November came there was little work to be had and no food or shelter. His wife was taken ill with fever,followed by Thomas and three of the children, two of whom died. Weak and straving,unable to care for his wife and four remaining children,Thomas was given the sum of two shillings and sixpence and he and his family were put on a boat to Derry Quay. When they arrived at the Londonderry Workhouse they were refused admission because they had no transfer documentation. They were told to go on to Strabane 14 miles away. After sheltering overnight from the cold and miserable weather, the sad bedragled little group set out the next day to walk the 14 miles to Strabane. The only food to be had was raw turnips which they found growing in fields along the way. They were barely able to stand when they got to Strabane Workhouse on the 10th of December. When they asked to be admitted they were again turned away because they had no official identification. Eventually they found shelter at Melmount with an old woman who had little food to spare herself. Starved and exhausted Thomas Gilroy lay down on the damp earth alongside his family. Early on the morning of the 17th of December Thomas and his youngest child, died. The inquiry that followed found they had died from starvation. The gate keeper at the workhouse was reprimanded for ignoring the plight of the Gilroy family,and Mrs Gilroy and her three surviving children were taken into workhouse care. The old lady whose cabin they had shared at Melmount was given a subscription for laying out the bodies of Thomas and his child,before they were carried to the paupers graveyard for burial After this the Guardians of Strabane Workhouse adopted a policy of assisted emigration. More able bodied inmates were sent to New South Wales, New Zealand and Quebec. It was well known that on the journey they were accompanied by an assortment of prisoners from Lifford Jail. Willie Carlin describes the frequent overcrowding in the house and recounted an unauthorized custom. On wet cold nights the destitute paupers and their children were permitted to shelter outside by leaning tight against the workhouse walls. For this privilege they paid the Workhouse Porter the sum of one penny. It was known to all as "The Penny Lean" best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com

In an item written for the Devenish Parish news, the population for the townland of Shallany in Derryvullan was listed as..... In 1841 the population was 116, but dropped to 108 in 1851, after the Famine. Where can I find the census population for the other townlands in Derryvullan? Thanks List, Carole.

Since my great great grandparents were dirt poor farmers I wonder how they survived their childhoods. Cannot find any family info prior to their marriage in 1857 but I am so grateful for that much! Will probably never go back another generation but with a name like Maguire it is not easy. Janet Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2015, at 7:58 AM, Dee Byster-Graham via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Robert, > > What an absolutely tragic story - those poor, poor people. Man's inhumanity > to his fellow man beggars belief sometimes. > To read about the famine years shakes one to the core - it would be > indescribable torture to try to live through them! > Thank you for sharing, > > Dee. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ulster Ancestry > via > Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 9:12 PM > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com; cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD The Penny Lean > > > > Willie Carlin writing > in the book Workhouses of the North West tells of unearthing this sad story > from the files of a local newspaper > > the Tyrone Constitution. > > > > The title for the report "A sad Christmas" is I think somewhat understated > and in our World of plenty it is hard to imagine or comprehend such hardship > and suffering. > > > > Thomas Gilroy, a native of Manorcunningham County Donegal, left his home > with his young wife and six children in search of employment in the City of > Glasgow. > > > > He arrived there early in August 1847 but by the time November came > there was little work to be had and no food or shelter. His wife was > taken ill with fever,followed by Thomas and three of the children, two > of whom died. > > > > Weak and straving,unable to care for his wife and four remaining > children,Thomas was given the sum of two shillings and sixpence and he > and his family were put on a boat to Derry Quay. When they arrived at the > Londonderry Workhouse they were refused admission because they had no > transfer documentation. They were told to go on to Strabane 14 miles > away. > > > > After sheltering overnight from the cold and miserable weather, the sad > bedragled little group set out > the next day to walk the 14 miles to Strabane. > > The only food to be had was raw turnips which they found growing in fields > along the way. They were barely able to > stand when they got to Strabane Workhouse on the 10th of December. When > they asked to be admitted they were again turned away because they had no > official identification. > > > > Eventually they found shelter at Melmount with an old woman who had > little food to spare herself. Starved and exhausted Thomas Gilroy lay > down on the damp earth alongside his family. Early on the morning of the > 17th of December Thomas and his youngest child, died. > > > > The inquiry that followed found they had died from starvation. The > gate keeper at the workhouse was reprimanded for ignoring the plight of > the Gilroy family,and Mrs Gilroy and her three surviving children were > taken into workhouse care. > > > The old lady whose cabin they had shared at > Melmount was given a subscription for laying out the bodies > > of Thomas and his child,before they were carried to the paupers graveyard > for burial > <snip> > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message