I do hope some person transcribed the stones before they were used for paths where footfall wears away the writing more quickly than acid rain. Those stones are usually Sandstone. I saw an example of this vandalism, to my mind, in Keighley, Yorks and spoke to the Minister in charge, who promised to have the Girl Guides and Boy Scouts transcribe what was readable on the stones. I do not know if he kept his promise or not. Viola > > The park in Mary St in Dublin is an old cemetery, they just laid the > g/stones down for paths... >

Thank you Val for the information on the Abby. I googled it at http://www.monastic.ie/history/cavan-ofm/ Interesting maps and information I think many of you may enjoy it also. Thanks, Ellen in Fl

Perfect example, Dave and Janet, Perfect choice, too, as both Janet and I may be akin somehow to this James. Note his wife's given name of Hanora, bet they both were second/third cousin via the Meenagleragh Dolans. Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Monday, 22 June 2015 10:43 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Photographing headstones Janet http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/roscommon/photos/tombstones/roscommon -shankill/target2.html is an example of a grey limestone g/stone where the Lime is being dissolved by the acid rain, lime neutralizes acid and so comes to the surface.. even the Lichen can't grow on it in most places. Of course it would be another DOLAN!! :-)) Dave. ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Reckon they weren't shrinking Violets anyway!! :-)) Indeed, even if one got a partial photo they can then ask someone for a better photo! It's the knowing that's important, you'd be delighted if someone photographed one of yours even if it was obscured as it can then be photographed by someone as you know where it exists! Recently I was looking up stuff for Manorhamilton 1820 death.. I have g/stone photographed but the stone isn't all that legible, the person who I was helping now knows exactly where to go, that a g/stone exists plus the 2 other Cemeteries to go to incl one in Sligo when she visits next year. She has been searching for over 12 years and now has photos from IGP.... IF she wasn't visiting I'd get full transcription etc next time I'm passing... as we know there's g/stones! DH On 22/06/2015 10:48, Eilish wrote: > If only I knew one existed (sigh). I know they are buried somewhere > but suspect they do not have a stone. However......I'd hate to think > they are hiding behind the hydrangeas all this time. I have several > cousins who would be out with the shears! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

No! We snap 'em and transcribe them as best we can! On 22/06/2015 9:57 AM, Dave H via wrote: > Even fairly recent g/stones are quite eroded and if the Memorial is not > memorized it will just get washed away like so many have already! > > In memory of..... In remembrance of > > means the memory of them should live on!! > > The memorial to my great great great great uncle is completely eroded, > the memory of him gone forever.... g/stone completely eroded... > thankfully someone recorded it over 50 years ago!!! > > Do we let the memorials of these people be just washed away like they > never existed?? > > > > > On 21/06/2015 23:42, Eilish via wrote: >> Hi Valerie and All, >> I too have the same experience when transcribing headstones. I too >> wonder where the missing spouse is -- did they remarry and they are >> buried elsewhere or was there no one left to record their passage? I >> also notice how many adult children are buried with their parents and >> wonder did they not marry and why? Some graves express deep love for the >> body below, but as you say, they are sometimes untended and hence >> unvisited. I too think of each individual/family as I type them out and >> ponder about their ages, how one spouse got on after the other died and >> how they coped with dead young children. Transcribing and therefore >> taking pictures to do so, is just another way of remembering these >> people and hoping that one day, some descendant in some land will find >> it easier to find their ancestor and their own history. >> >> I'd be thrilled to find my relatives graves. I still can't find them >> after all these years. But I am happy to do this work so that others may >> find theirs. >> >> Eilish > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That's no problem... Chris sends me one or two every now and then regardless of county. Aren't we all supposed to be working together anyway on FG? It might be Fermanagh but every now and then you get someone asking about Carlow or Kilkenny, for example, Why? Because there's no one in those counties replying! These are tolerated because they are short and sweet! FG works because of what it is!! DH On 22/06/2015 10:08, Eilish via wrote: > Hi Fgolders, > > Often when I do transcribing, I come across a name of a place associated > with the deceased. > So something like: JAMES O'REILLY | Kilfeernan | Died blah , blah. > > Because I'm not a local, sometimes this place name goes recorded as "??" > if it is not clearly visible and obvious. I'm wondering if anyone would > volunteer to be a place name finder, given that the cemetery location is > known and the place name can't be too far away. The person could be a > resource for those transcribing so that all the facts get put down, not > just parts of it. > > It is not a big job, and you may only get called on once or twice a > month, but if there are any takers, this would be an asset to the whole > IGP database. Get it right first time! > > Just a thought. > > Eilish --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Fermanagh Golders, I am trying to compile a list of holy wells in Fermanagh. Can anyone help? I do know of the one at Templerushin near Belcoo. There is also St. Faber's Well and bullaun stone in Boho. Any others? I'm interested in all, even if they have fallen into disuse and no one goes there any longer. Thanks for any help. Janet C.

Well I don't go out to photograph g/stones, normally stop for a coffee somewhere and walk around while drinking it with camera just snapping away. IF one was yours then you know a g/stone exists and it's just a matter of requesting a better photo by someone plus they are protected structures under various Monument Acts and Bye-Laws. DH On 22/06/2015 09:39, Eilish wrote: > Hi Dave and All, > When transcribing, I do find it really frustrating to carefully take > down the birth dates and place of residence of the deceased on a > headstone only to find the death date is obscured by a bunch of > plastic geraniums! > > If someone finds my McHughs and Corrigans, in the lower lough erne > area, please move the %$#@ flowers, take the photo, and put them back. > It's a shame to lose this vital information, which may well be the > only source of info due to lack of records, just because of a flippin' > hydrangea. > > To me, there is respect, then there is pragmatism. They don't have to > be mutually exclusive. So, like Sally, I'm giving permission to "shift > the flowers". > > Eilish --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Wrong Janet. Morgan here and my family is McDonnell and Maguire. Janet Morgan Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2015, at 9:23 PM, Dee Byster-Graham via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Perfect example, Dave and Janet, > > Perfect choice, too, as both Janet and I may be akin somehow to this James. > Note his wife's given name of Hanora, bet they both were second/third cousin > via the Meenagleragh Dolans. > > Dee. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via > Sent: Monday, 22 June 2015 10:43 AM > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Photographing headstones > > Janet > > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/roscommon/photos/tombstones/roscommon > -shankill/target2.html > > is an example of a grey limestone g/stone where the Lime is being dissolved > by the acid rain, lime neutralizes acid and so comes to the surface.. even > the Lichen can't grow on it in most places. > > Of course it would be another DOLAN!! :-)) > > Dave. > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Valerie and All, I too have the same experience when transcribing headstones. I too wonder where the missing spouse is -- did they remarry and they are buried elsewhere or was there no one left to record their passage? I also notice how many adult children are buried with their parents and wonder did they not marry and why? Some graves express deep love for the body below, but as you say, they are sometimes untended and hence unvisited. I too think of each individual/family as I type them out and ponder about their ages, how one spouse got on after the other died and how they coped with dead young children. Transcribing and therefore taking pictures to do so, is just another way of remembering these people and hoping that one day, some descendant in some land will find it easier to find their ancestor and their own history. I'd be thrilled to find my relatives graves. I still can't find them after all these years. But I am happy to do this work so that others may find theirs. Eilish On 22/06/2015 1:41 AM, Valerie Ackroyd via wrote: > Jim, I would look at it a different way. As I transcribe headstones that were carved over a hundred years ago, weathered and worn, the grass before them withered, no votives in front of them, I type the words that are carved on there “Always remembered . . . forever in our hearts….” rather sadly. Because it seems that whoever first carved those words is now dust as well, perhaps below that tombstone, perhaps in some faraway land. Many of the tombstones also have plenty of blank space for where a spouse doubtless expected their names would be carved, but it is empty. What happened to those spouses? Did they go elsewhere, marry again or did the living simply not think it was worth getting the stone engraved??? So when I transcribe the headstones I say a little prayer that “I” remember them and perhaps some descendant will be searching online and see that headstone and remember them too. > > Val > > >> On Jun 21, 2015, at 8:21 AM, jim dawe via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Dave, then there are those that travel all the way to Fermanagh from Canada, go to Enniskillen genealogy office on the closed day, then go looking for the family farm, cannot find it, try to find the ancient burial ground cannot find it but do find the nicest people and drink in the beauty of the place. I am speaking for myself and experience last fall. My family is from south Kilkenny my wife’s Stevensons from Fermanagh. I am wondering if people “feel" as I do that they are invading the privacy of the families other than their own when photographing headstones? >> >> Jim >> > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes it was turned into a builder's yard, plus if one looks at the contracts of old for church renovations one sees they were allowed use g/stones and removed "any of danger" so one does come across window sills in cottages which were once g/stones. DH On 22/06/2015 06:07, Valerie Ackroyd wrote: > There used to be a Franciscan Abbey that was sponsored by Giolla Iosa O’Reilly in 1300. All that remains of it is the Bell Tower and the grassy green. The website doesn’t mention the pile of headstones that I saw although it does mention that Owen Rua O’Reilly, who was killed by Oliver Cromwell, was buried at the Abbey in an unmarked grave. I like to think that I am somehow related to Giolla and Owen Rua but given the plethora of O’Reillys in Cavan it is probably a VERY distant connection both in time and line. > > Val --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

The park in Mary St in Dublin is an old cemetery, they just laid the g/stones down for paths... DH On 22/06/2015 03:33, Valerie Ackroyd via wrote: > A very sad sight I saw in Cavan town in the park where St Marys Abbey used to stand was a trough filled with shattered headstones. They looked like pieces of a jigsaw but that jigsaw represented people's lives:( > > Val --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Janet http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/roscommon/photos/tombstones/roscommon-shankill/target2.html is an example of a grey limestone g/stone where the Lime is being dissolved by the acid rain, lime neutralizes acid and so comes to the surface.. even the Lichen can't grow on it in most places. Of course it would be another DOLAN!! :-)) DH On 22/06/2015 01:20, Dave H wrote: > Janet, A lot are Limestone which gets dissolved by acid rain, even > leaves/grass on them is acidic.. > > Moss growing on them means an acidic environment. > > Granite in itself gets pitted over time due to limestone content. If > one goes to a g/yard one sees many g/stones that are white/milky > coloured... this milky layer is lime being dissolved from the stone. > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Janet, A lot are Limestone which gets dissolved by acid rain, even leaves/grass on them is acidic.. Moss growing on them means an acidic environment. Granite in itself gets pitted over time due to limestone content. If one goes to a g/yard one sees many g/stones that are white/milky coloured... this milky layer is lime being dissolved from the stone. If you look at the photos at Teightunny one will see very legible, very old g/stones... Why? Look at them, they are leaning forward and protected from the rain. Yes, we have very very hard stone.. Ironstone! Many g/stones have gone rusty red. There's a very very old g/yard being cleared in Cavan, some g/stones haven't seen light of day for ages and were covered in thick Ivy, many are like new Dave On 22/06/2015 01:03, Janet Morgan wrote: > Dave, > Are these gravestones not made of granite or hard substance? Perhaps it is not available? I am talking newer ones. > I have relatives in NY with headstones 100 years old and clearly readable. > Is weather a factor also with all the dampness? > Janet --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Even fairly recent g/stones are quite eroded and if the Memorial is not memorized it will just get washed away like so many have already! In memory of..... In remembrance of means the memory of them should live on!! The memorial to my great great great great uncle is completely eroded, the memory of him gone forever.... g/stone completely eroded... thankfully someone recorded it over 50 years ago!!! Do we let the memorials of these people be just washed away like they never existed?? On 21/06/2015 23:42, Eilish via wrote: > Hi Valerie and All, > I too have the same experience when transcribing headstones. I too > wonder where the missing spouse is -- did they remarry and they are > buried elsewhere or was there no one left to record their passage? I > also notice how many adult children are buried with their parents and > wonder did they not marry and why? Some graves express deep love for the > body below, but as you say, they are sometimes untended and hence > unvisited. I too think of each individual/family as I type them out and > ponder about their ages, how one spouse got on after the other died and > how they coped with dead young children. Transcribing and therefore > taking pictures to do so, is just another way of remembering these > people and hoping that one day, some descendant in some land will find > it easier to find their ancestor and their own history. > > I'd be thrilled to find my relatives graves. I still can't find them > after all these years. But I am happy to do this work so that others may > find theirs. > > Eilish --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

One doesn't need permission Sally to photograph memorials or write down what is on them provided the place is open to the public... one can not enter a Cemetery if it is locked.. this includes even a chain across the entrance BUT if there is a stile/set of steps on wall, not closed, even by a Public notice, one can enter as that access has not "been denied"... It is only out of respect that a gravestone would be removed from the likes of IGP... not obligation! IGP has a very high set of standards when it comes to photographing g/stones, which is why one often gets details hidden by a bunch of flowers... the flowers aren't even removed temporarily to facilitate photographing!! Often, when photographing g/stones, I come across those that have been "cleaned" by descendants doing their research and have insisted that any of these be marked "as found" by Christine or else not be put up on IGP... There are a few photos "of my lot" on IGP, not taken by me, I do not have the right to ask for their removal if I wanted, as I'm not a DIRECT descendant.. NOR do I have the right to remove a plant or bunch of flowers to photograph it better!! What is needed is for more people to HELP EACH OTHER where possible by taking some photos when visiting any g/yard, any religion, any county simply to reduce the vacuum!! On another county I've seen someone post and post and post and post looking for stuff.. then go to g/yard and take 3 or 4 photos of their lot, while those helping were crying out for photos at that Cemetery... NOW IF THAT IS NOT SELFISH I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!!!!!!!!!! Fine by me but I know where those folk went and HELL WILL FREEZE OVER before I post a reply :-)) DH No need for everyone to post permission, as it is not needed!! On 21/06/2015 23:11, Sally Factor via wrote: > To all, I hereby give permission for the photographing of any of the grave > stones in the RC cemeteries which have the remains of Bannons or Muldoon's. > Walking is limited and any help for genealogical reasons is gratefully > accepted. > This may be the only way I can get church records. > Any scandals do not bother me as I have had many on this side of the pond. > Sally in CT > > -----Original Message----- > From:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jim dawe via > Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:21 AM > To:fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 10, Issue 225 > > Dave, then there are those that travel all the way to Fermanagh from Canada, > go to Enniskillen genealogy office on the closed day, then go looking for > the family farm, cannot find it, try to find the ancient burial ground > cannot find it but do find the nicest people and drink in the beauty of the > place. I am speaking for myself and experience last fall. My family is > from south Kilkenny my wife's Stevensons from Fermanagh. I am wondering if > people "feel" as I do that they are invading the privacy of the families > other than their own when photographing headstones? > > Jim > >> >Am often amazed at the number of people seeking help, not just on FG but >> >other counties, then visit g/yards and take no photos that might help >> >someone else who may not be able to visit. >> > >> >Have seen others who post and post, get great help, then go to g/yards >> >and take 2 or 3 photos of their folk and post them. in full knowledge >> >that others need photos at that g/yard. >> > >> >Pity that Snow g/stone isn't legible enough.... Anyway you know there's >> >one there! >> > >> > >> >Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

There used to be a Franciscan Abbey that was sponsored by Giolla Iosa O’Reilly in 1300. All that remains of it is the Bell Tower and the grassy green. The website doesn’t mention the pile of headstones that I saw although it does mention that Owen Rua O’Reilly, who was killed by Oliver Cromwell, was buried at the Abbey in an unmarked grave. I like to think that I am somehow related to Giolla and Owen Rua but given the plethora of O’Reillys in Cavan it is probably a VERY distant connection both in time and line. Val > On Jun 21, 2015, at 9:58 PM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > The park in Mary St in Dublin is an old cemetery, they just laid the > g/stones down for paths... > > DH > > On 22/06/2015 03:33, Valerie Ackroyd via wrote: >> A very sad sight I saw in Cavan town in the park where St Marys Abbey used to stand was a trough filled with shattered headstones. They looked like pieces of a jigsaw but that jigsaw represented people's lives:( >> >> Val > >

Thanks Dave and all. Have seen several graveyards in Fermanagh and the conditions that the headstones were in. ( they had already been photographed) Was just curious. Found an old headstone in Newark NJ where the caretaker had to dig up the stone as the cemetery had laid many old ones flat with dirt and grass over them for ease of caring for the cemetery. This did preserve them. Janet Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Janet > > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/roscommon/photos/tombstones/roscommon-shankill/target2.html > > is an example of a grey limestone g/stone where the Lime is being > dissolved by the acid rain, lime neutralizes acid and so comes to the > surface.. even the Lichen can't grow on it in most places. > > Of course it would be another DOLAN!! :-)) > > > DH > > >> On 22/06/2015 01:20, Dave H wrote: >> Janet, A lot are Limestone which gets dissolved by acid rain, even >> leaves/grass on them is acidic.. >> >> Moss growing on them means an acidic environment. >> >> Granite in itself gets pitted over time due to limestone content. If >> one goes to a g/yard one sees many g/stones that are white/milky >> coloured... this milky layer is lime being dissolved from the stone. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dave, Are these gravestones not made of granite or hard substance? Perhaps it is not available? I am talking newer ones. I have relatives in NY with headstones 100 years old and clearly readable. Is weather a factor also with all the dampness? Janet Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Even fairly recent g/stones are quite eroded and if the Memorial is not > memorized it will just get washed away like so many have already! > > In memory of..... In remembrance of > > means the memory of them should live on!! > > The memorial to my great great great great uncle is completely eroded, > the memory of him gone forever.... g/stone completely eroded... > thankfully someone recorded it over 50 years ago!!! > > Do we let the memorials of these people be just washed away like they > never existed?? > > > > >> On 21/06/2015 23:42, Eilish via wrote: >> Hi Valerie and All, >> I too have the same experience when transcribing headstones. I too >> wonder where the missing spouse is -- did they remarry and they are >> buried elsewhere or was there no one left to record their passage? I >> also notice how many adult children are buried with their parents and >> wonder did they not marry and why? Some graves express deep love for the >> body below, but as you say, they are sometimes untended and hence >> unvisited. I too think of each individual/family as I type them out and >> ponder about their ages, how one spouse got on after the other died and >> how they coped with dead young children. Transcribing and therefore >> taking pictures to do so, is just another way of remembering these >> people and hoping that one day, some descendant in some land will find >> it easier to find their ancestor and their own history. >> >> I'd be thrilled to find my relatives graves. I still can't find them >> after all these years. But I am happy to do this work so that others may >> find theirs. >> >> Eilish > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A very sad sight I saw in Cavan town in the park where St Marys Abbey used to stand was a trough filled with shattered headstones. They looked like pieces of a jigsaw but that jigsaw represented people's lives :( Val Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Janet Morgan via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Thanks Dave and all. > Have seen several graveyards in Fermanagh and the conditions that the headstones were in. ( they had already been photographed) > Was just curious. > Found an old headstone in Newark NJ where the caretaker had to dig up the stone as the cemetery had laid many old ones flat with dirt and grass over them for ease of caring for the cemetery. This did preserve them. > Janet > > Sent from my iPhone > >>