Thank you for suggesting Cathriona as a source. I now have her on the list of people to consult. James -----Original Message----- From: Dave H. via Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 4:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Parish of Roslea But people didn't have to attend their Parish Church, so where they lived as such is irrelevant... I can show you plenty of records where people attended a Church in next Parish or even the next, going back to early 1800's. Where I live the RC Church is on the bank of the river, the river is Parish boundary... the next Church is 5 miles away OR 3 miles away over another bridge but in another County! The people on opposite side of river don't travel 5 miles to the Church in their Parish or 3 miles to the one in another county! You then have a couple who marry, maybe get land to lease 3 mile away in another Parish, do they get children baptised in that Parish.... or the 'home' Parish? As to your questions..... the likes of Cathriona at the Library would be who to ask, she's the County Historian! DH On 02/04/2016 08:01, [email protected] wrote: > FERMANAGH-GOLD Parish of Roslea > To:<[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > This is going over ?old ground? maybe, but it arises now because many > pre-1862 church records of baptisms and marriages did not record the > residents? townlands. Only the (church) parish e.g. Tydavnet, Roslea, > Clones was noted. So the (church) parish boundary is important to trying > to figure out where the families were living at the time. This is > separate to the question of ?civil parishes? in which the constituent > townlands are well defined and understood. > > My question is: > - In the 1800s, were any Monaghan townlands within the Roslea Parish > boundary? Is yes, which ones? > - In the 1800s were any townlands in that area of Fermanagh/Monaghan > switched from one (church) Parish to another, e.g. from Roslea parish to > Tydavnet or vice versa? > > I have tried to find some references that might cover this with little > success. Any suggestions are welcome. > > James --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well I looked at all the tenants and Landlords on Griffith's for the whole of Cleenish Parish......... nothing even close to Crasgrith name! Is the geneology book about the Newcombs published in 1874 online? DH On 03/04/2016 08:01, [email protected] wrote: > In a geneology book about the Newcombs published in 1874, it is stated that Isabella (widow of Thomas Walker) was the daughter of Charles Noble and Jane Crasgrith of Derry-hony, Ireland.? > The name Crasgrith is non-existant from all of my searches. I did locate the Townland of Derryhoney in?Fermanagh. There are Nobles and Walkers in the area. They were most likely Protestant but I am unsure if they were Presbyterians or Church of Ireland.? > > Does anyone have any tips that might give me insight into the name Crasgrith? Anyone have any family details of Walkers and/or Nobles from near Derryhoney that might fit with this timeframe?? > Thank you, Catherine --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

> > Yes folk > I entered my 82nd year today Sunday. I will raise a glass or two to "Absent Friends". A big "Thank you" to everyone for their good wishes and greetings. > Viola

Many, Many Happy Returns Viola, we'll be raising a glass or two, and toasting your continued warmth, friendliness, and well being, Lots of L&S xxxxxxx  Slàinte maith, h-uile latha, na chi 'snach fhaic!  (Good health, every day, whether I see you or not) From: Viola Wiggins via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 3 April 2016, 11:21 Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD That little Bird > > Yes folk > I entered my 82nd year today Sunday. I will raise a glass or two to "Absent Friends". A big "Thank you" to everyone for their good wishes and greetings. > Viola ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Happy Birthday Vi... enjoy the Mineral Water, hope there are some good minerals in it!! Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thanks so much, Vi, A clear outline of the situation as it was! Dee. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Viola Wiggins via Sent: Sunday, 3 April 2016 8:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Church Records explained The link below makes interesting reading, no matter what faith you are researching. Each Sect is covered. Viola http://www.youririsheyes.com/church_records.html Sent from my iPad ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Janet and Bruce, I, too, am delighted that the subject of the Pict enigma is not off topic :-) And thanks to all who have recently posted links to the latest data, many of we Golders are a mixture of these races with the delineation lines so blurred between them. Particularly when we know that one or more lines come down from the sea kingdom of Dalriada and the fact that Irish invaded Scotland in the distant past. Not just invasions, but the normal Irish Sea crossings of traders from all the tribes which made up the British isles. David, your Orkneyjar link is terrific, it helps to shed some light on the puzzle - and the Orkney dig site just gets more amazing each season. My half-brother recently had his dna results from Ancestry, no surprises except 12% Irish - I have long toyed with the notion that our Viking ancestor Fulkar who arrived in England about 800ad came across from Dublin and joined the Great Pagan Army rather than the continent, apparently many Vikings did so. My son David will be next to test, later I shall have my mitochondrial tested and that should give us further insight into the mixture we all carry. Loving the chase! :) Dee. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of caiside via Sent: Saturday, 2 April 2016 11:08 PM To: Bruce Graham; [email protected] Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Fwd: Origins of the Irish -- not Celtic? Dee, Glad no one is thinking this little side-trip into Pictland is off topic. :-) Here's what I just read on the orkneyjar link that David sent: " Theories abound, although these days it is generally accepted that the Picts were not, as was once believed, a new race, but were simply the descendents of the indigenous Iron Age people of northern Scotland." Also here http://www.ancient.eu/picts/ says "Although it was accepted history in the past to date the arrival of the Picts in Scotland to sometime shortly before their mention in Roman history, or to claim a "Pictish Invasion", modern scholarship offers a much earlier date with no full-scale invasion. According to the/Collins Encyclopedia of Scotland/, "the Picts did not 'arrive' - in a sense they had always been there, for they were the descendants of the first people to inhabit what eventually became Scotland" (775). Historian Stuart McHardy supports this claim,***writing <http://www.ancient.eu/writing/>**that "the Picts were in fact the indigenous population of this part of the world" by the time the Romans arrived in Britain (32). They originally came from**Scythia <http://www.ancient.eu/scythia/>***(Scandinavia), settled first in Orkney, and then migrated south." I bet Cunliffe's book _Britain Begins_ would shed light. Janet C On 4/1/16 5:06 PM, Bruce Graham wrote: > -----Original Message----- From: Dee Byster-Graham via > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 4:43 PM > To: 'DSA2003' ; [email protected] > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Fwd: Origins of the Irish -- not Celtic? > > Hi Folks, > > Thank you all so much for this discussion of the origin complexities > of Pictish, and all related to this area. > The whole subject has puzzled me for many years - language, physical > appearance, origins etc. > For what it is worth, I have always leaned towards the idea that > Pictish language was an ancient form of Q-Celtic mainly because of the > Ogham script. Is the former belief still in vogue that the Picts > invaded Britain at an indefinable time in pre-history? I have not read > much about their origins lately, but still puzzling over the real > difference in the physical characteristics of my Scottish Mitchells. > Despite being descended on the male side from the Norman invaders in > 1066 ( Vikings) the differences are huge - small all around 5- 5ft > 2ins in height, slight builds, almost black eyes and hair with very > fair skin, small feet and hands etc. So different in appearance from > the Orkney Viking SNOW family of Ireland and the original Irish of the > Dolan, Magauran clans. > > Also puzzle about the role the ancient Britons played, we must all > have that genetic in our makeups! > Were in fact the Picts ancient Britons in residence from pre-Neolithic > times??? > > Please keep the conversation going - it's absolutely fascinating! > > David, thank you also for the interesting links to the newly > discovered Viking sites in America - that may very well put a lot of > cats amongst the pigeons :) Kindly, Dee. ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Catherine, I see that Derryhoney is in the parish of Cleenish. I think you will find that most of the Protestants in Fermanagh are Church of Ireland rather than Presbyterian. There are also Methodists, but since Methodism started within the C of I, I'd still start looking in the C of I church records. Sorry I can't help with Crasgrith. Are you sure it's spelled correctly? Good luck, Janet C. On 4/3/16 2:39 AM, BECK wrote: > I have a family assinment for a reunion that will take place in July. We are hoping to trace our great-great-great grandparents. > We are searching for a couple, Thomas and Isabella (Noble) Walker that emigrated to Quebec Canada in 1845 with their son, John Walker (b. 1842). The birth date that I have for Isabella Noble is 25 May 1822 and Thomas Walker is estimated to be around 1811-1812. > The family story states that two weeks after arriving from Ireland that Isabella gave birth to Jane Ann Walker on the 15th of June 1845. > The family appears on the Canadian Census of 1851 living in Harvey, Albert County, New Brunswick, Canada. I have noted other questions coming from people whose families immigrated to New Brunswick. > Thomas Walker passed away sometime around 1854-1855. They had four more children born in Canada before Thomas died. > Isabella Noble Walker remarried George Newcomb and had 4 more daughters. They resided in Owen Sound, Ontario, Canada. > In a geneology book about the Newcombs published in 1874, it is stated that Isabella (widow of Thomas Walker) was the daughter of Charles Noble and Jane Crasgrith of Derry-hony, Ireland. > The name Crasgrith is non-existant from all of my searches. I did locate the Townland of Derryhoney in Fermanagh. There are Nobles and Walkers in the area. They were most likely Protestant but I am unsure if they were Presbyterians or Church of Ireland. > > Does anyone have any tips that might give me insight into the name Crasgrith? Anyone have any family details of Walkers and/or Nobles from near Derryhoney that might fit with this timeframe? > Thank you, Catherine >

http://forgottenjourneys.blogspot.com.au/2016/03/fair-day-triangles-or-where-did-your.html Thank you so much John in NC, for the above link. A very revealing insight with interesting images. Carole in OZ.

Hi Violet, 82 years young that is a milestone, bet you have many stories to tell. Once again A Happy Birthday To You & many More May You see. Harry. xxx -----Original Message----- From: Viola Wiggins via <[email protected]> To: fermanagh-gold <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 11:22 Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD That little Bird > > Yes folk > I entered my 82nd year today Sunday. I will raise a glass or two to "Absent Friends". A big "Thank you" to everyone for their good wishes and greetings. > Viola ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a family assinment for a reunion that will take place in July. We are hoping to trace our great-great-great grandparents.  We are searching for a couple, Thomas and Isabella (Noble) Walker that emigrated to Quebec Canada in 1845 with their son, John Walker (b. 1842). The birth date that I have for Isabella Noble is 25 May 1822 and Thomas Walker is estimated to be around 1811-1812.  The family story states that two weeks after arriving from Ireland that Isabella gave birth to Jane Ann Walker on the 15th of June 1845.  The family appears on the Canadian Census of 1851 living in Harvey, Albert County, New Brunswick, Canada. I have noted other questions coming from people whose families immigrated to New Brunswick.  Thomas Walker passed away sometime around 1854-1855. They had four more children born in Canada before Thomas died. Isabella Noble Walker remarried George Newcomb and had 4 more daughters. They resided in Owen Sound, Ontario, Canada. In a geneology book about the Newcombs published in 1874, it is stated that Isabella (widow of Thomas Walker) was the daughter of Charles Noble and Jane Crasgrith of Derry-hony, Ireland.  The name Crasgrith is non-existant from all of my searches. I did locate the Townland of Derryhoney in Fermanagh. There are Nobles and Walkers in the area. They were most likely Protestant but I am unsure if they were Presbyterians or Church of Ireland.  Does anyone have any tips that might give me insight into the name Crasgrith? Anyone have any family details of Walkers and/or Nobles from near Derryhoney that might fit with this timeframe?  Thank you, Catherine

Better enjoyed in a night on the tiles! Happy Birthday VW! Wendy On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 4:27 AM, Dave H. via <[email protected]> wrote: > Happy Birthday Vi... enjoy the Mineral Water, hope there are some good > minerals in it!! > > Dave > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, VI!  AND MANY MORE :-) Cliff. On Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:44 PM, Linda Ford via <[email protected]> wrote: Happy birthday, Viola!  I hope you "party hearty." Linda FordNelson, BC, Canada     On Saturday, April 2, 2016 5:35 PM, Bruce Graham via <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Vi ,       "Many Happy Returns of the Day....hope you have a real Happy Birthday , with Family and friends ! Slainte', and Thanks a Bunch Janet , for confirming what I only thought I knew ! !  Cheers the 'noo n'all , Bruce Graham ! -----Original Message----- From: caiside via Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 11:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD A little bird told me Hey everyone, It's Viola's birthday!!! Janet C. ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Happy birthday, Viola!  I hope you "party hearty." Linda FordNelson, BC, Canada On Saturday, April 2, 2016 5:35 PM, Bruce Graham via <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Vi ,       "Many Happy Returns of the Day....hope you have a real Happy Birthday , with Family and friends ! Slainte', and Thanks a Bunch Janet , for confirming what I only thought I knew ! !  Cheers the 'noo n'all , Bruce Graham ! -----Original Message----- From: caiside via Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 11:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD A little bird told me Hey everyone, It's Viola's birthday!!! Janet C. ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The link below makes interesting reading, no matter what faith you are researching. Each Sect is covered. Viola http://www.youririsheyes.com/church_records.html Sent from my iPad

Happy birthday Viola. May you have many more. :-) You and I share the same birthday. All the best, Jim Swindell On 4/2/2016 9:47 PM, Cliff. Johnston via wrote: > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, VI! AND MANY MORE :-) > Cliff. > > On Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:44 PM, Linda Ford via <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Happy birthday, Viola! I hope you "party hearty." > Linda FordNelson, BC, Canada > > > On Saturday, April 2, 2016 5:35 PM, Bruce Graham via <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Vi , > "Many Happy Returns of the Day....hope you have a real Happy Birthday > , with Family and friends ! > > Slainte', and Thanks a Bunch Janet , for confirming what I only thought I > knew ! ! Cheers the 'noo n'all , Bruce Graham ! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: caiside via > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 11:03 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD A little bird told me > > Hey everyone, It's Viola's birthday!!! > > > Janet C. > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Scotlands People are giving away 20 free credits again. www.scotlandnow.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/heritage/find-your-scottish-ancestors-free-7658198 Just get the code from the article above and paste it into the Scotlands People site and they will give you credits. Simple as that. "Your 20 FREE credits voucher must be redeemed by April 30, 2016. Your 20 FREE credits will then be valid for one year after you redeem the voucher." Of course if one has 3 or 4 email accounts they could try 3 or 4 times.... (but I'd never be seen doing that!!) DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

By this time its tomorrow where you are, so happy birthday yesterday. Love Carl On 2016-04-02, at 8:50 PM, Roseanne Byrne via wrote: > Happy Birthday Viola. In Austrwlia we have national living treasures - well I think your ours. You've brought so much to this forum. I hope you get to shine those tiles! > > Roseanne Byrne xoxoxo > Researching Ingram, Maguire, Baird and Armstrong > without much luck ☘☘☘ > > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yup. And all this time I thought that Pink Floyd had nailed it in the '70s with side 2 of Ummagumma: " Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And Grooving With A Pict". He was clearly Scottish. On 2016-04-02, at 10:12 AM, rdchester via wrote: > > TEAM F-G > What a fascinating, thought provoking discussion. > How great is it that we have Scholars like JC, DH, VW, DA and others on our 'Staff'. > And, JC was just on a 'fact finding' mission in Orkney a few months ago. > Brilliant !! > Grand Day to All > > Rob, humbled > in MA 'Shire's > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey everyone, It's Viola's birthday!!! Janet C.