Hi Dave and Robyn. I find the "snipping tool" very easy to use for information I want off the screen. Just start snipping tool, click new, screen fades, highlight area to be copied, go file, save as, give it a name done. Ken On 5/04/2016 5:32 PM, Dave H. via wrote: > ?? > > Do screenshot.... Open Paint.. > Paste it there, then use the cutting > tool to just cut out the snippet you want.... > > then go File> New and paste the snippet there > > When you are opening new File you will be asked if you want to save 1st > one... just say No! > > Save as JPEG > > > DH > > ====================== > > > > I also take a lot of screenshots, but they only save as a .png extension. > So one may have to convert .png to .jpeg or other formats to .jpeg (yet > another programme required) to use this programme. > > Hope this assists FG listers. > > Regards > Robyn R, NSW, Australia > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Agreed! You've seen parish records include the Latin equivalent 'of this parish' next to someone's name.... Does that mean/imply others "aren't of this Parish'?? Where are the records? In whatever Parish Church people attended, which does not necessarily mean the church in their Parish regardless of townland. I've kin in X townland in X Parish in Monaghan.... they went to Church 2 Parishes away. Where are their records?? In the Church they went to!! DH On 05/04/2016 20:17, John Olson-Kennedy wrote: > Thank Dave, I agree that we must look farther afield, but we still > come down to two basic questions: 1) Where are the records? 2) Is > the person in the record I found the 'right' one? In both of these > cases, it's important to know the boundaries for the applicable > records. I would assume that's why James Mullan was wondering about > the shifting parish boundaries around Roslea. I've seen parish > records include the Latin equivalent 'of this parish' next to > someone's name. If the parish boundaries have changed over time, > knowing which townland is 'in this parish' at the time the record was > created is important. > > John in NC --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi John and the list, Am not sure if anyone uses similar, but there is a programme called ImageEditLite that allows you to do what the author of that article has also used on his images. It does not unfortunately calculate mileages etc -:) ImageEditLite is a simple jpeg image editor which allows you to add arrows, lines, boxes, circles and "text annotation" to images in the jpeg file format (*.jpg). Primarily used as an add-on for WhisperPI, but can be used as a *standalone product*. It 'only' works on jpeg files, but the really good thing about it is, it is FREE! I use it all the time to annotate on downloaded records that are not very clear, i.e. for highlighting someone on a census where there are 50 on the same page and when it is not easy to see who you are looking for on the document. Or someone on a passenger manifest, a newspaper announcement etc...It took me a short wee while to work out how to use it, but once one gets the hang of it, it is really an excellent little programme. You can download the programme from this link : http://www.whispersolutions.com/ImageEditLite.html I also take a lot of screenshots, but they only save as a .png extension. So one may have to convert .png to .jpeg or other formats to .jpeg (yet another programme required) to use this programme. Hope this assists FG listers. Regards Robyn R, NSW, Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Olson-Kennedy via Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2016 06:31 To: CARELL <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Distances ancestors travelled. --> Map Tools for Radius and Distance My pleasure Carole. I've always been fascinated by maps. As you saw, the basic premise of the article is that given that people could walk 3-4 miles per hour, they could likely travel up to 12 miles to any location, conduct their business, and return home, tired, but in the same day. By horse, the time is cut, or the range could be extended. The article then goes on to show various 12 mile radi (plural of radius, and yes I had to look that up!) around various market towns. Since the recent discussion was around parish borders and how people would often go to a church that was closer to where they lived than to one that was within the parish boundaries where the lived, I have to wonder just how far people regularly traveled to church. Marchetti's Constant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marchetti's_constant) says that people will commute on average about an hour per day for work (i.e. half-hour each way), but what about for church, which is usually once or twice per week? My own experience in a rural area where foot and horse were the only options was that people would travel 1-2 hours maximum each way or 3-8 miles. So back to the article. The illustrations look great, but how the heck did the author make them. Well, I did some digging and found that there are some tools online that give some of the same functionality, but not a one-stop shop for all the goodies: -) To draw a radius of X miles/kilometers around a given point on Google Maps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F85YgVXCk3Y (Video showing how to use the tool) https://obeattie.github.io/gmaps-radius/ -) Determine distance between two points, as the crow files: https://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-distance-calculator.htm -) Determine distance between two points, but using 'snapping' to the closest roads: http://www.mappedometer.com/ I did some further digging to see if anyone has added similar functionality to OpenStreetMap.org (which has many townlands demarcated) but came up empty. Imagine if all of these radius and distance tools were available, along with the townlands, the various political, historical, civil, and church boundaries (over time), roads/paths (again over time), and all of the churches, graveyards and other points of interest! John in NC

If I have five sons, and they marry ladies from different parishes. They will attend services in her family parish. They still came from the same parish. WHY they married to get land, the woman's dowery. They were fortunate, no transportation, so they did not travel far from home. I was born and raised on Blessed Sacrament parish in Baltimore. We always went to St Mary's parish to meet the girls. Times have not changed much. Always check out the Bride's parish in research. Bud Flanagan, in Arizona

Thank Dave, I agree that we must look farther afield, but we still come down to two basic questions: 1) Where are the records? 2) Is the person in the record I found the 'right' one? In both of these cases, it's important to know the boundaries for the applicable records. I would assume that's why James Mullan was wondering about the shifting parish boundaries around Roslea. I've seen parish records include the Latin equivalent 'of this parish' next to someone's name. If the parish boundaries have changed over time, knowing which townland is 'in this parish' at the time the record was created is important. John in NC On 2016/04/04 18:10 , Dave H. via wrote: > John... that is why the Registry Offices are where they are!! > > Their catchment area was worked on same principal and can often taken in > 2 or 3 counties, or parts thereof. > > Often people become 'obsessed' by a County rather than stripping away > the county lines and using the 12 mile radius as a guideline! > > People often look for their kin on LDS via a townland BUT they need to > search using the REGISTRY OFFICE their kin would have used. > > > > DH > > > > > > Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Distances ancestors travelled. --> Map Tools > forRadius and Distance > Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:30:40 -0400 > References: <[email protected]> > In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> > > My pleasure Carole. I've always been fascinated by maps. > > As you saw, the basic premise of the article is that given that people > could walk 3-4 miles per hour, they could likely travel up to 12 miles > to any location, conduct their business, and return home, tired, but in > the same day. By horse, the time is cut, or the range could be > extended. The article then goes on to show various 12 mile radi (plural > of radius, and yes I had to look that up!) around various market towns. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

?? Do screenshot.... Open Paint.. > Paste it there, then use the cutting tool to just cut out the snippet you want.... then go File> New and paste the snippet there When you are opening new File you will be asked if you want to save 1st one... just say No! Save as JPEG DH ====================== I also take a lot of screenshots, but they only save as a .png extension. So one may have to convert .png to .jpeg or other formats to .jpeg (yet another programme required) to use this programme. Hope this assists FG listers. Regards Robyn R, NSW, Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

With regards to travelling by horse - towns in early America were based on the distance that a man & his horse could go in one day - generally accepted to be an average of 25 miles.  Terrain would alter these numbers - flat ground with no obstacles and one might do 28-30 miles.  Hilly with streams or a river to cross, 10-20 miles.  It all depends... I got these numbers from a thread on U.S. maps several decades ago. Good hunting, Cliff. On Monday, April 4, 2016 3:34 PM, John Olson-Kennedy via <[email protected]> wrote: My pleasure Carole.  I've always been fascinated by maps. As you saw, the basic premise of the article is that given that people could walk 3-4 miles per hour, they could likely travel up to 12 miles to any location, conduct their business, and return home, tired, but in the same day.  By horse, the time is cut, or the range could be extended.  The article then goes on to show various 12 mile radi (plural of radius, and yes I had to look that up!) around various market towns. Since the recent discussion was around parish borders and how people would often go to a church that was closer to where they lived than to one that was within the parish boundaries where the lived, I have to wonder just how far people regularly traveled to church.  Marchetti's Constant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marchetti's_constant) says that people will commute on average about an hour per day for work (i.e. half-hour each way), but what about for church, which is usually once or twice per week?  My own experience in a rural area where foot and horse were the only options was that people would travel 1-2 hours maximum each way or 3-8 miles. So back to the article.  The illustrations look great, but how the heck did the author make them.  Well, I did some digging and found that there are some tools online that give some of the same functionality, but not a one-stop shop for all the goodies: -) To draw a radius of X miles/kilometers around a given point on Google Maps:     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F85YgVXCk3Y  (Video showing how to use the tool)     https://obeattie.github.io/gmaps-radius/ -) Determine distance between two points, as the crow files: https://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-distance-calculator.htm -) Determine distance between two points, but using 'snapping' to the closest roads:     http://www.mappedometer.com/ I did some further digging to see if anyone has added similar functionality to OpenStreetMap.org (which has many townlands demarcated) but came up empty. Imagine if all of these radius and distance tools were available, along with the townlands, the various political, historical, civil, and church boundaries (over time), roads/paths (again over time), and all of the churches, graveyards and other points of interest! John in NC On 2016/04/02 18:29 , CARELL via wrote: > http://forgottenjourneys.blogspot.com.au/2016/03/fair-day-triangles-or-where-did-your.html > > Thank you so much John  in NC, for the above link. > A very revealing insight with interesting images. > Carole in OZ. > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John... that is why the Registry Offices are where they are!! Their catchment area was worked on same principal and can often taken in 2 or 3 counties, or parts thereof. Often people become 'obsessed' by a County rather than stripping away the county lines and using the 12 mile radius as a guideline! People often look for their kin on LDS via a townland BUT they need to search using the REGISTRY OFFICE their kin would have used. DH Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Distances ancestors travelled. --> Map Tools forRadius and Distance Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:30:40 -0400 References: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> My pleasure Carole. I've always been fascinated by maps. As you saw, the basic premise of the article is that given that people could walk 3-4 miles per hour, they could likely travel up to 12 miles to any location, conduct their business, and return home, tired, but in the same day. By horse, the time is cut, or the range could be extended. The article then goes on to show various 12 mile radi (plural of radius, and yes I had to look that up!) around various market towns. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Vi, Can you please contact me off-list? I think you are not receiving my emails except through the list. Dee. Thanks folks - sorry to contact Vi this way, I seem to be not getting through otherwise. :-)

Thank you EVERYONE, both on and off list, for making my birthday so very memorable and enjoyable. And the Postman had a further delivery of snail mail today. >From a very happy and humble Viola

My pleasure Carole. I've always been fascinated by maps. As you saw, the basic premise of the article is that given that people could walk 3-4 miles per hour, they could likely travel up to 12 miles to any location, conduct their business, and return home, tired, but in the same day. By horse, the time is cut, or the range could be extended. The article then goes on to show various 12 mile radi (plural of radius, and yes I had to look that up!) around various market towns. Since the recent discussion was around parish borders and how people would often go to a church that was closer to where they lived than to one that was within the parish boundaries where the lived, I have to wonder just how far people regularly traveled to church. Marchetti's Constant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marchetti's_constant) says that people will commute on average about an hour per day for work (i.e. half-hour each way), but what about for church, which is usually once or twice per week? My own experience in a rural area where foot and horse were the only options was that people would travel 1-2 hours maximum each way or 3-8 miles. So back to the article. The illustrations look great, but how the heck did the author make them. Well, I did some digging and found that there are some tools online that give some of the same functionality, but not a one-stop shop for all the goodies: -) To draw a radius of X miles/kilometers around a given point on Google Maps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F85YgVXCk3Y (Video showing how to use the tool) https://obeattie.github.io/gmaps-radius/ -) Determine distance between two points, as the crow files: https://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-distance-calculator.htm -) Determine distance between two points, but using 'snapping' to the closest roads: http://www.mappedometer.com/ I did some further digging to see if anyone has added similar functionality to OpenStreetMap.org (which has many townlands demarcated) but came up empty. Imagine if all of these radius and distance tools were available, along with the townlands, the various political, historical, civil, and church boundaries (over time), roads/paths (again over time), and all of the churches, graveyards and other points of interest! John in NC On 2016/04/02 18:29 , CARELL via wrote: > http://forgottenjourneys.blogspot.com.au/2016/03/fair-day-triangles-or-where-did-your.html > > Thank you so much John in NC, for the above link. > A very revealing insight with interesting images. > Carole in OZ. > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Carole, Drum and Drom are basically the same and interchangeable in townlands. Based on how you would say "dromolah" is sound like it might be Drumralla near Newtownbutler. On the Escheated County Map in aprox 1609 it was called "dromroloh". Its the nearest I can see on first thoughts. Do you have more clues such as surnames in the area, or neighbouring townlands? Clive On Monday, 4 April 2016 10:03:51 BST CARELL via wrote: > Dear List I have found a Mary Moffittt listed in the Will Calendars. > She was listed in Dromolah, Fermanagh in 1729, > > I’ve consulted the Historical name search & the closest I could find in > Fermanagh was Dromlagh (Island). There was a > Dromlagh, in Derry, the closest there, was Drumlamph. > > Any suggestions or assistance appreciated. > Thank you, > Carole . > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]om with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

   Thanks Dave you are right, addresses have always been there on the individual emails. I think I was particularly annoyed with Ancestry about something else when I wrote that email in rather a hurry ... should have checked first!!Val Mc

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Dear List I have found a Mary Moffittt listed in the Will Calendars. She was listed in Dromolah, Fermanagh in 1729, I’ve consulted the Historical name search & the closest I could find in Fermanagh was Dromlagh (Island). There was a Dromlagh, in Derry, the closest there, was Drumlamph. Any suggestions or assistance appreciated. Thank you, Carole .

Thanks for that Dave ! Never thought of that ! Cheers the 'noo, Bruce ! -----Original Message----- From: Dave H. via Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 8:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Archive shows email addresses That might just be on your own computer where you said Yes to 'Remember username and Password' so any Shrike can get into your homepage only using your PC. DH Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Archive shows email addresses and Happy BirthdayVi Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 08:14:28 +1200 References: <[email protected]><[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Hi Val and fellow Golders ! I agree with your comments about Ancestry.....very slack right now ! One thing I'm not keen on , is when I start to "Sign on", as soon as I have got as far as " bru....." in the username line , up comes the works ...Password and all....so any Shrike can get into my homepage . --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cliff and Y'All ! I guess you folks know what I found out the hard way , about Find my Past ? I went into it on one of their regular "FREE MONTH "specials, I did'nt pay attention to the Small Print, which said:- "Thank you for entering your Credit Card Details, there will be no deductions for the first month as we offered. Please advise us by 07/11/ 20..? that you do not wish to subscribe , or your monthly Sub will be deducted automatically ".....and it was ! Three months later I discovered my mistake....I found their Org. so difficult to get through to , or get any reply AT ALL from, that in the finish I went to the Bank , had my Credit Card shredded and got a new one ! They do say , that as the years go by , although you MIGHT get shrewder, you certainlyy start toe "Lose the Plot !....certainly applied to me in the above sample ! Cheers, Bruce G. -----Original Message----- From: Cliff. Johnston via Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 7:00 AM To: val mcleish ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Find My Past What free account? Can anyone get one? If so, where? Ta, Cliff. On Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:02 AM, val mcleish via <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks for this Marge I shall try it exactly as you suggest!Val Mc From: Marge in SoCal <[email protected]> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Find My Past Val, I am talking about the Irish records on Find My Past World (which should be the same as FMP Ireland). I agree that in the past I have never been able to find anything there, but now I am in love with them! ... Here is what worked for me. First, sign in with your FREE account BEFORE doing and searches (otherwise you will need to repeat the search). Look on the left side to make certain that you are searching IRELAND records. You can also narrow it more by selecting BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, & DEATHS. You will still get other results, such a civil births, marriages and deaths; just be sure to only click on the ?Parish Registers? results to avoid getting the option to upgrade. Hope this helps, Sl?n, Marge in Southern California ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Val and fellow Golders ! I agree with your comments about Ancestry.....very slack right now ! One thing I'm not keen on , is when I start to "Sign on", as soon as I have got as far as " bru....." in the username line , up comes the works ...Password and all....so any Shrike can get into my homepage . I had no clue anyone could tap into our site at FG for our E.Mails.....thanks for th word ! I don't like the way some people on Ancestry do a straight copy from a "Public" Tree onto their own ! I "caught " one bloke red-handed, and sent an Ancestry Message to him , and asked could he confirm where he got the details of my 4 x Grt.Grand-dad , William Graham from. I had viewed this guy's Tree before, and Auld Will was'nt there...he appeared there only two weeks after I had entered his details ! The Correspondent replied with :- " I don't know really----he just looked right , there !".....great Researcher Eh !? I also don't admire Ancestry much any more, as once I was invited to enter my Y-DNA Results from FTDNA , which I did Manually.....from that I gained a whole bunch more of " Fairly Close Matches", and still Correspond with some of them ...BUT NOW I can't bring up the List of Matches . Ancestry said words like :-" We no longer support the area of DNA Records you are seeking"....very polite n'all, but no much use to me ! Good job I printed off the List early in the piece ! I must admit though , Ancestry have excellent Records, with stuff like "WW1 Soldiers' Information"...."Passenger Lists etc" Great how Our Vi keeps a'going. Vi just responded to a Happy Birthday E.Card I sent her , and told me she is going out to Celebrate ....good for her ! All the Best the 'noo, Bruce Graham -----Original Message----- From: val mcleish via Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Archive shows email addresses and Happy Birthday Vi Hi Everyone, I have noticed that our email addresses are available on our archive for any spammer to gather up! Before the site went down they were all shown in shaded characters that could not easily be picked up by scammers. I wonder why Ancestry has changed this, or whether it is just an error on their part?Val McPS Happy Birthday Vi ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No Cosgrave... 28 Cosgrove on Griffiths for Magheraboy Barony, none in Cleenish townland!! DH Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Crasgrath Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 17:11:08 -0400 References: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Good thinking. My guess was Creighton, but Cosgrave is also possible. Janet --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Am full of useless info... :-D DH On 03/04/2016 22:25, Bruce Graham wrote: > Thanks for that Dave ! Never thought of that ! Cheers the 'noo, Bruce ! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus