Thanks Robyn... I know in the past some of the freebies only worked on the .co.uk site. So which address would be best for NZ? Dave On 12/04/2016 20:37, Robyn Ritchie wrote: > I have seen free access to Australian/NZ records on Ancestry on the ANZAC > day weekend in the past. > So very possible for 23-25 April, coming up very soon. > > Regards > Robyn R, NSW --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

http://www.dennisahogan.com/newsletter/blog/irish-genealogy-newsletter-boundary-changes In Ireland, the boundaries of counties and civil parishes have been relatively stable. However, boundaries were somewhat invisible to the Irish. So they may live in one county and go to church or “do business” in a convenient market town in the next county. Church records and even civil records may not be recorded in a family’s home county if they lived near a boundary. Irish Catholic parish and church boundaries have not been stable since the early 1800s. As Catholics were allowed to worship publically, many more churches were needed. Several sources indicate Catholic boundaries, but they usually represent just a one-time snapshot which may not be relevant to the timeframe that you are researching. An Irish Catholic Directory may help. These directories list dioceses, parishes, churches, and priests including historic & current parish names. Published annually since 1835, several past directories can be found by searching "Irish Catholic Directory" on Google Books <http://books.google.com/>. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

As February 1859 is 9 months prior to November 1859, I’d search for the obstetrician’s records! :-} While searching for the death of my great great grandfather William Jones, I did come across one William Jones who according to the Guernsey burial records, died three after he was buried. I imagine he obviously couldn’t hold his breath any longer. It just shows that typos occurred before the invention of the typewriter! However, back to your baptism, I would surmise that the child was born November 1858 and baptised February 1859. Do you have access to the whole register, or just the one entry? An examination of the rest of the register should allow you to gain a better perspective on the dates in the particular entry. Regards David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia From: Dave H. via Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Just west of Fermanagh I have someone born 26 Nov 1859 in Cumberland Ottawa... who was baptized on 6th Feb 1859!! Have seen Church record! Obviously incorrect, so what would next step be for me please? DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Dave, here is the original entry in the Cumberland register. The dates of birth are chronological, as are the dates of the baptisms. It looks like a recording error by the Rev, as the 1858 date is clearly out of place. http://bowergenealogy.ca/resources/methodist/1/770.jpg Wendy On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 5:15 PM, wendy stevenson <wendym[email protected]> wrote: > In those days, in rural communities, there weren't always local churches > or ministers. Parents would have to wait for the visiting minister to > perform marriages and baptisms. Sometimes several children would be > baptised at the same time. Or, the family might have moved, and had the > children baptised at a new location where there was a minister available. > Where was Rev Case in 1862?? > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Dave H. via <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Probably Vi.... but (from memory!) entered among 1862 records!! >> Otherwise some logic could be applied. >> >> Dave >> >> On 12/04/2016 22:08, Viola Wiggins wrote: >> > I'd bet on the baptism being Feb 1860. The clerk just had a senior >> moment. >> > Viola >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ========================= >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

In those days, in rural communities, there weren't always local churches or ministers. Parents would have to wait for the visiting minister to perform marriages and baptisms. Sometimes several children would be baptised at the same time. Or, the family might have moved, and had the children baptised at a new location where there was a minister available. Where was Rev Case in 1862?? On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Dave H. via <[email protected]> wrote: > Probably Vi.... but (from memory!) entered among 1862 records!! > Otherwise some logic could be applied. > > Dave > > On 12/04/2016 22:08, Viola Wiggins wrote: > > I'd bet on the baptism being Feb 1860. The clerk just had a senior > moment. > > Viola > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think the opposite! Born Nov 1858, baptised Feb 1859, senior moment was his recording of the birth date! On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Viola Wiggins via < [email protected]> wrote: > I'd bet on the baptism being Feb 1860. The clerk just had a senior moment. > Viola > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 12 Apr 2016, at 10:41, Dave H. via <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > I have someone born 26 Nov 1859 in Cumberland Ottawa... who was baptized > > on 6th Feb 1859!! > > > > Have seen Church record! > > > > Obviously incorrect, so what would next step be for me please? > > > > > > DH > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > ========================= > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

We all know Ancestry does Free W/ends for Irish records etc... ...but does Australia/NZ? If anyone comes across these can they post link please? DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

John Lyons Hall, born 1858 Cumberland Twp, Ottawa On 12/04/2016 12:48, wendy stevenson wrote: > Person's name? > > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:46 AM, Dave H. via > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Indeed I have. Nothing! > > > > > On 12/04/2016 12:42, wendy stevenson wrote: > > I assume you have checked the census records? Compare the age given, > > over several censi? > > Wendy > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Indeed I have. Nothing! On 12/04/2016 12:42, wendy stevenson wrote: > I assume you have checked the census records? Compare the age given, > over several censi? > Wendy --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Yes someone sent me a photocopy of the Registry page... obviously entered one by one, so others in date sequence but with this inserted in 1860's!! So no logic to it. I surmise the same ( the child was born November 1858 and baptised February 1859) but have 2 trees on Ancestry... each with different dates, just getting no hints!! Dave On 12/04/2016 12:02, DSA2003 wrote: > As February 1859 is 9 months prior to November 1859, I’d search for > the obstetrician’s records! :-} > While searching for the death of my great great grandfather William > Jones, I did come across one William Jones who according to the > Guernsey burial records, died three after he was buried. I imagine he > obviously couldn’t hold his breath any longer. > It just shows that typos occurred before the invention of the typewriter! > However, back to your baptism, I would surmise that the child was born > November 1858 and baptised February 1859. Do you have access to the > whole register, or just the one entry? An examination of the rest of > the register should allow you to gain a better perspective on the > dates in the particular entry. > Regards > David Armstrong > Maylands > Western Australia > *From:* Dave H. via <mailto:[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:41 PM > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* FERMANAGH-GOLD Just west of Fermanagh > I have someone born 26 Nov 1859 in Cumberland Ottawa... who was baptized > on 6th Feb 1859!! > > Have seen Church record! > > Obviously incorrect, so what would next step be for me please? > > > DH > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > Virus-free. www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Given that the church would be more interested in recording the baptism and the record would be penned shortly after the event, I would conclude that the registrar just forgot to calculate the birth year correctly. So probably born in 1858. I know myself that the first few days into a new year I tend to find myself using the previous year. It can take a while to train the brain to use the correct year. But by February one would think the year would be pretty well embedded to not make that mistake! Are there any other clues, such as the sequence of events in the register? On Tuesday, 12 April 2016 10:41:13 BST Dave H. via wrote: > I have someone born 26 Nov 1859 in Cumberland Ottawa... who was baptized > on 6th Feb 1859!! > > Have seen Church record! > > Obviously incorrect, so what would next step be for me please? > > > DH > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have someone born 26 Nov 1859 in Cumberland Ottawa... who was baptized on 6th Feb 1859!! Have seen Church record! Obviously incorrect, so what would next step be for me please? DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Dee, Christine Hunt is posting cemetery photos. Send it to her. Janet On 4/11/16 5:31 AM, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: > Forgot to mention, > Michael, > I have a lovely photo of the grave and tombstone of all the Daniel Keown > family, and shall send if anyone is interested. > Send me your email address and I shall forward off-line. > > Kindly > Dee. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave H. via > Sent: Monday, 11 April 2016 6:47 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD SOME KEOWN BURIALS ST JOHN the BAPTIST. (R.C.) > Inishmacsaint, Co Fermanagh > > Keown Daniel D. 1994 of Cornahaltie, > Keown Daniel D. 1898 Age73 Cornahaltie > Keown Ann 1943 Cornahaltie > Keown Anne 1916 Cornahaltie > Keown Annie 1967 Age 70 Cornahaltie > Keown Anthony 2010 of London > Keown Francis 1978 84 Cornahaltie > > > CORNAHALTIE seems to be the correct townland... > > Keown (nee Dolan) Mary Anne d.1968, age 82 of Killy Beg > > > DH > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Person's name? On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:46 AM, Dave H. via <[email protected]> wrote: > Indeed I have. Nothing! > > > > > On 12/04/2016 12:42, wendy stevenson wrote: > > I assume you have checked the census records? Compare the age given, > > over several censi? > > Wendy > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I assume you have checked the census records? Compare the age given, over several censi? Wendy On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 5:41 AM, Dave H. via <[email protected]> wrote: > I have someone born 26 Nov 1859 in Cumberland Ottawa... who was baptized > on 6th Feb 1859!! > > Have seen Church record! > > Obviously incorrect, so what would next step be for me please? > > > DH > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

From: Pat Connors <[email protected]> Subject: [IRISH-AMER] Church of Ireland records online and free Date: 11 April 2016 at 3:28:05 AM AEST To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, IRISH-AMERICAN <[email protected]>, Reply-To: Pat Connors <[email protected]>, [email protected] The Church of Ireland currently are getting their records online and they are free to see at: http://ireland.anglican.org/about/151 No all the Irish were Catholic, I have two branches that were not. No all the Irish were Catholic, I have two branches that were not. One listed so far for Tyrone, a couple for Armagh & Dublin, none yet for Fermanagh. Carole.

Forgot to mention, Michael, I have a lovely photo of the grave and tombstone of all the Daniel Keown family, and shall send if anyone is interested. Send me your email address and I shall forward off-line. Kindly Dee. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave H. via Sent: Monday, 11 April 2016 6:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD SOME KEOWN BURIALS ST JOHN the BAPTIST. (R.C.) Inishmacsaint, Co Fermanagh Keown Daniel D. 1994 of Cornahaltie, Keown Daniel D. 1898 Age73 Cornahaltie Keown Ann 1943 Cornahaltie Keown Anne 1916 Cornahaltie Keown Annie 1967 Age 70 Cornahaltie Keown Anthony 2010 of London Keown Francis 1978 84 Cornahaltie CORNAHALTIE seems to be the correct townland... Keown (nee Dolan) Mary Anne d.1968, age 82 of Killy Beg DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Dave, I am searching for my copy of David Armstrong's cemetery listing, without success. Put it in a safe place and now can't remember where :) Am sure from memory that many Duffy members are buried in this graveyard from Killy Beg, Cornadarum, and close Townlands - all related to the above families. Also Duffy of Derrygonnelly are somehow related to them, as were the families from Boa Island. Duffy of Leitrim and Cavan are also allied to Dolan Keown and Magauran of those Counties. Dee. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave H. via Sent: Monday, 11 April 2016 6:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD KEOWN Dee... Duffy's also lived at Cornahilta but it is not showing. There are Cornahaltia http://www.logainm.ie/en/1417791?s=Cornahaltia Cornahaltie http://www.logainm.ie/60499.aspx ... both in Inishmacsaint. As they were RC Registers here: http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0291 which if one looks at the Parish quite a bit is in Co Donegal. DH On 11/04/2016 08:01, [email protected] wrote: > Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD KEOWN > To: "'Eilish'"<[email protected]>,<[email protected]> > Message-ID:<[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello Michael and Eilish! > > Michael, you and I are related. > I would think that your John's father was Daniel Keown and one of > John's brothers was Dean Keown of St Patrick's Purgatory. > Duffy's also lived at Cornahilta, so it is possible that John married > one of this branch. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much, Dave, I just managed to look through all my KEOWN data and you beat me to it :))) These you named are children, grandchildren etc of Daniel born and died same parish, all RC. Beautiful large gravestone, Celtic cross Daniel Keown Cornahilta, died 23rd May 1897 aged 73 years His wife, Anne, died 29th December 1916 ( no age at death) John Keown of Cornahilta, died 15th July 1933 aged 69 years Wife Mary, died 22 Oct 1956 aged 84 years Daughter Margaret, died 23rd August 1963 aged 63 years Son Dan died 3rd December 1973 aged 79 years John shown above was the younger brother of Dean Keown of St Patrick's Purgatory. Daniel's sister or aunt (not yet certain but believe the latter) was Mary Keown who married James Snow of Tully, these are my g-g-grandparents. The Killy Beg Keown/Dolan are part of the Keowns of Cornahilta and Dolans of Meenagleragh. Again my relations. The Duffys of the same parish are related to both Dolans and Keowns from all the Townlands named. Many of the Keowns still living in the area are direct descendants of the above - and it is likely that the elder Daniel was a son of Lawrence Keown Snr shown still living in Cornahilta at the time of GV's, although he was an old man at the time. Kindly, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave H. via Sent: Monday, 11 April 2016 6:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD SOME KEOWN BURIALS ST JOHN the BAPTIST. (R.C.) Inishmacsaint, Co Fermanagh Keown Daniel D. 1994 of Cornahaltie, Keown Daniel D. 1898 Age73 Cornahaltie Keown Ann 1943 Cornahaltie Keown Anne 1916 Cornahaltie Keown Annie 1967 Age 70 Cornahaltie Keown Anthony 2010 of London Keown Francis 1978 84 Cornahaltie CORNAHALTIE seems to be the correct townland... Keown (nee Dolan) Mary Anne d.1968, age 82 of Killy Beg DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message