So here in Fermanagh, every property has recently received a rates bill or will shortly be getting one. The amount demanded depends on a number of factors such as building age, size, value, location etc as well as personal circumstances. More more details - https://www.dfpni.gov.uk/topics/property-rating/domestic-rating Do you think its value for money? Has anyone ever compared it to say living in the RoI or elsewhere were you paid for the resources you use? (ie bin collection, water etc) Are we getting a good deal or being ripped off?

On another note, it’s only six years to the release of the 1950 US Census in 2022 which will record a lot of post-WWII migration. By the way, many Irish migrated to South America. Family Search has 34 hits for “O’Leary” in their census records for Argentina (exact spelling used – and a name which I know is used as a street name in that neck of the woods). David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thanks everyone... was just wondering if there was any pattern to Census! In reality, with Ireland being in the EU, each country would really need to do Census same night across Europe to get a snapshot of EU. There will be many Irish, not in Ireland, on any given date and many that will try to avoid it. At this stage, an EU Census is more logical! Dave On 14/04/2016 03:53, [email protected] wrote: > Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Next Census date > To:<[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > According to Statistics Canada, starting May 2, 2016, they will send census > letters and packages to all Canadian households. Not sure when it will > available though. > > Brenda in Ontario. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

David and Anne, I think it was 2006 - as I recall voting to ' keep' in consideration of future tree seekers. But I felt at the time this would be a minority decision. Kindly Dee. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of DSA2003 via Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2016 9:33 AM To: Anne Maguire; [email protected] Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Next Australian Census Australia holds a census every five years. Unfortunately, they’re destroyed after the statistical data has been extracted. There is an exception to the destruction that came in for the 2011 census (or was it the the 2006 census?), whereby people could nominate on their census forms for the record to be kept for a 100 years before being made public. Very few people will have opted opted for this. David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia From: Anne Maguire via Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 6:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Next Australian Census Will be held on 9 August 2016, the week after I get back from my next trip to Ireland - just in time! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not to ask stupid questions, Dave, but how do you know then, that these Halls are connected to you? Did you just 'find' a Hall in Toronto in 1858? On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Dave H. via <[email protected]> wrote: > Have given everything I have on them, married St Mary's Presbyterian > Church, Toronto > > the marriage of Thomas Hall, (Irish) age 23, to Eliza Jane Stewart, > (Irish) age 24, at St Mary's Presbyterian Church, Toronto on 15 January > 1858, > > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/presby58.htm (Correct > Parents, Townland) > > PLUS > http://bowergenealogy.ca/resources/methodist/Names%20H1.htm > > That is all I have!! Married Toronto, 9 months later the baptism!! > > So... I know I often ask "Religion", in this case it does make sense > that a Methodist Minister bapt child, Thomas' mother was d/o of > Methodist Minister. > > Carl looked for them on Census, no luck, as have several others, they > would have been same age (+/_1) !! > > Rather than use people's time looking for them, as I've searched and > searched, as have a few others, at this stage I've run out of ideas! The > map of Cumberland, 15 years later, has very few names on it, not theirs > though! He didn't have any kin in Canada. > > No point in looking at Canada G/stone Project... been through that > Cemetery by Cemetery. 1 John Lyons Hall, wrong dates, wrong parents!! > > Given that I have so little, should I just write them off? > > > > > On 14/04/2016 13:32, wendy stevenson wrote: > > Hi Dave and Linda, > > I have changed the subject line (like a good girl!) to make this a > > more generic topic. But, this is the link to the entry for Thomas Hall. > > > > It is a private genealogy site, run by Wayne Bower, who gives > > permission to copy for personal use. Though it has been painstakingly > > transcribed, there is a link to a jpeg copy of the original document. > > > > http://bowergenealogy.ca/resources/methodist/Names%20H1.htm > > > > Dave, we may be able to help more, but you have to give us more clues > > as to Thomas and John Lyons Hall. Where were they before, where did > > they go from there, other family members? I am not sure if it was > > your Thomas or 'the other' Thomas who returned to Ireland. > > > > Happy Hunting > > Wendy > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ========================= > https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi DH.....never heard of the Pulping bit !! Mind you in Govt.Dept. circles anything could have happened ! While I was researching my Great Uncle, 2nd Lt.George William Graham.MM.'s WW1 Service , I did learn that Hitler was responsible for BULK WW1 Records going up in smoke -the little RAT ! Some of the surviving Records I did get to see were all burnt around the edges. In fact A4 Documents with as little as 10% un-burned had been achived ! Cheers the 'noo, Bruce Graham -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] via Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 5:44 AM To: Dave H. ; [email protected] Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD NI 1926 census Do you know what happened to it? I know during WWI records were pulped due to a paper shortage, but wasn’t aware of this happening during WWII There is a report on Histpop regarding it which gives general information. http://histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/AssociatedPageBrowser? path=Browse&active=yes&mno=238&tocstate=expandnew&display=sections&display=tables&display=pagetitles&pageseq=1&assoctitle=Census %20of%20Northern%20Ireland,%201926&assocpagelabel= On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 15:27:55 BST Dave H. via wrote: > I don't think the 1926 Census exists for NI. > > > DH ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dave and Linda, I have changed the subject line (like a good girl!) to make this a more generic topic. But, this is the link to the entry for Thomas Hall. It is a private genealogy site, run by Wayne Bower, who gives permission to copy for personal use. Though it has been painstakingly transcribed, there is a link to a jpeg copy of the original document. http://bowergenealogy.ca/resources/methodist/Names%20H1.htm Dave, we may be able to help more, but you have to give us more clues as to Thomas and John Lyons Hall. Where were they before, where did they go from there, other family members? I am not sure if it was your Thomas or 'the other' Thomas who returned to Ireland. Happy Hunting Wendy

Will be held on 9 August 2016, the week after I get back from my next trip to Ireland - just in time!

Australia holds a census every five years. Unfortunately, they’re destroyed after the statistical data has been extracted. There is an exception to the destruction that came in for the 2011 census (or was it the the 2006 census?), whereby people could nominate on their census forms for the record to be kept for a 100 years before being made public. Very few people will have opted opted for this. David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia From: Anne Maguire via Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 6:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Next Australian Census Will be held on 9 August 2016, the week after I get back from my next trip to Ireland - just in time! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Dave, I found a possible Canada Census for your Halls in Downie, Perth, Ontario, in 1861 and 1871.  That is a very long way from Ottawa, however. http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/pdf/4391951_00281.pdfhttp://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/pdf/4396681_00674.pdf and another couple in Oshawa, but their John is really young at one year in 1861 and 11 in 1871. http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/pdf/4391564_00110.pdfhttp://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/pdf/4396345_00148.pdf On the 1851 Canada Census, I found a 17-year-old Thomas Hall in Carleton Co., which is mentioned on the list that Wendy sent, so is in the vicinityhttp://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1851_pdf/e094/e002345421.pdf These were the closest I could find in either Ontario or Quebec. (Ottawa is just across the river from Quebec.) Could any of these possibly be yours? Wendy, Where did you get that original Methodist document?  I have found transcriptions of Methodist baptisms on line--through Ontario GenWeb, I think--but I have never found originals. Linda FordNelson, BC, Canada On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 3:19 PM, Dave H. via <[email protected]> wrote: Yes I'd tend to believe 59 should be 58 so should be either 2 or 3 on next Census, there are no matching Census records. Forgetting about the errors, the Halls could have been travelling through or living miles away, so would a Birth record reveal anything or what else can I look for?? Dave Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Just west of Fermanagh /Date:/ Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:28:39 -0400 /References:/ <[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]om> /In-Reply-To:/ <[email protected]om> Dave, here is the original entry in the Cumberland register. The dates of birth are chronological, as are the dates of the baptisms. It looks like a recording error by the Rev, as the 1858 date is clearly out of place. http://bowergenealogy.ca/resources/methodist/1/770.jpg Wendy --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We are in need of 1,540 signatures to get National and World Heritage to the building and surrounds where almost all that came to NSW were sent.  If this signature is not met Developers will take over and the area will be lost to the public except for a privilege few who will be able to buy the homes they build.Myself I have three ancestors connected to the Factory - or I should say jail.  The place was used to make a material called I think the Parramatta that was a material used for morning by Queen Victoria.  But like most factories who's workers could go home these women would have to stay and sleep next to there work.  Their children were often taken off them especially if they had more then two or as they got older.  The Factory term for many who know the place is more referred to a marriage factory.  Men would come in and choose a wife and within that day they are marriage.  Many girls took marriages that ended up terrible just because they thought they would get freedom.  (Just add many men who wanted a break from their wifes could send them to the factory till they felt they wanted to get them back.)  There is a lot more stories which can be found when reading the history of the Factory where many felt death was a better option then to go there.They write in history papers how bad these women were.  Well I do not believe they were all bad, many did quite well for themselves and families in a hostile Colony.  They deserve to be remembered like those in Tasmania are.  Why I ask you oversea's who are into family history is because you have the passion and just maybe know of a female in your family who because of the times was transported to this far away place.I hope you will all help and send it on if you can to others.  Thank youVicki Barnett    Declare the Parramatta Female Factory a national and world heritage site |   | |   | |   |   |   |   |   | | Declare the Parramatta Female Factory a national and wor...The Parramatta Female Factory is currently at risk! The only way to ensure its survival is World Heritage Status. The Parramatta Female Factory is world significant... | | | | View on www.change.org | Preview by Yahoo | | | |   |

This is from the Canada Census website: Census returns after 1921 are in the custody of Statistics Canada. The Statistics Act and the Act to Amend the Statistics Act does not permit the disclosure of personal information from post-1921 census returns. The only exception is for people who require information about themselves, for pension or other legal purposes. Third parties cannot obtain information about another individual without the individual's written consent. Under the legislation, the records will be opened for public use and transferred to Library and Archives Canada 92 calendar years after the taking of a census. Linda FordNelson, BC, Canada On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 4:25 PM, Linda Ford <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks for the heads-up.  I see it can be completed on line, as well as on paper.  Good thing. The last one was just a waste of time and money.  Conservative party cost savings. (Twits!) Linda FordNelson, BC On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 1:39 PM, bjsearl via <[email protected]> wrote: According to Statistics Canada,  starting May 2, 2016, they will send census letters and packages to all Canadian households.  Not sure when it will available though. Brenda  in Ontario. ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the heads-up.  I see it can be completed on line, as well as on paper.  Good thing. The last one was just a waste of time and money.  Conservative party cost savings. (Twits!) Linda FordNelson, BC On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 1:39 PM, bjsearl via <[email protected]> wrote: According to Statistics Canada,  starting May 2, 2016, they will send census letters and packages to all Canadian households.  Not sure when it will available though. Brenda  in Ontario. ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Australia has one in August this year too, I believe. -----Original Message----- From: Dave H. via Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 11:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD The next census will take place on Sunday April 24th,2016. The next census in Ireland will take place on *Sunday April 24th, 2016.* Just being COMPLETELY NOSEY... :-D When is your next Census for those outside Ireland? DH --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Clive The Crown Solicitor, James Cooper submitted a list of people who crossed the border into Co Fermanagh. I think it was published in the Clogher Record. I have read it about two years ago, but can't remember how or where I found it. Information in it gave the name of head of family, "and his wife and x children". Where they moved from and where they moved to. >From memory I think it was a report to the Land Commission about changes of Occupier's, and was quite a substantial document. Mainly ex RIC and Protestant people came north. I did make some notes at the time. They are filed on my desk top computer. If I can find them I'll share with you. Viola Sent from my iPad > On 13 Apr 2016, at 14:45, [email protected] via <[email protected]> wrote: > > No, I think the NI one was delayed too from what I understand. From talking > to people it was quite a violent affair, with the police and army being used!! > I think they were both done at the same time to prevent people from crossing > the border to avoid it. > > The problem is the 100year rule which means they wont publish census returns > until 100year after the date of the census. Once they are released, it takes > a considerable time to transcript them. If that’s the case we wont be allowed > access to the 1926 returns until 2026. Because the 1911 returns where stored > in Dublin they are under Irish control and the 100year rule was temporary > suspended to allow early release of the records. > > The Dáil considered releasing after 70years as these 1926 Census returns would > be gold dust to genealogists, but that was several years ago and I’ve heard > nothing since. Probably got delayed/moth balled due to funding cuts. > > From a local view point there seems to have been a great deal of movement at > the time with Protestant families moving North and RC moving South, but that > would only be revealed by looking at the census. Id love to get access to it! > But then most of us on the list would! > > Clive

The 100 rule first came in with the Act of Parliament authorising the British 1921 census. It was retrospectively imposed on the earlier censuses by the archivists etc, but the retrospective imposition was not the result of an Act of Parliament. It was for this reason that the Freedom of Information Commissioner granted access to the 1911 census for England and Wales prior to January 2012 when Guy Etchells challenged the the 100 year rule being used in respect of it. The newly devolved Scottish Parliament had enacted legislation to retrospectively impose the 100 rule on the Scottish 1911 census, and so it wasn’t until January 2012 that it became available. The Irish 1901 and 1911 Censuses never had a 100 year rule apply to them under the Acts of Parliament authorising them, and of course, it wasn’t retrospectively imposed on them by government departments based in London. With the advent of the internet and companies like Find My Past which have a contract with the Archives, the transcription and indexing have been done ahead of their release so that they could go on-line from day one (and start earning money for the archives!). David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia From: mailto:[email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 9:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD The next census will take place on Sunday April24th, 2016. No, I think the NI one was delayed too from what I understand. From talking to people it was quite a violent affair, with the police and army being used!! I think they were both done at the same time to prevent people from crossing the border to avoid it. The problem is the 100year rule which means they wont publish census returns until 100year after the date of the census. Once they are released, it takes a considerable time to transcript them. If that’s the case we wont be allowed access to the 1926 returns until 2026. Because the 1911 returns where stored in Dublin they are under Irish control and the 100year rule was temporary suspended to allow early release of the records. Clive --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

*1926 Irish census – the background story* After the foundation of the State, the first census compiled was in 1926. Subsequent enumerations were also compiled in 1936 and 1946. After this time, the census year was moved to 1951 and each decade thereafter, up to and including 2011. So-called 'Short Censuses' were also compiled in 1956,1966, 1979, 1986, 1996 and 2006. The Statistics Act 1926 made no provision for the eventual release of historical census records. However, neither did the Westminster Acts which related to the 1901 and 1911 censuses, but this didn't stop them being 'officially' made available for public perusal in 1961. And then in 1993, a new bit of legislation – The Statistics Bill 1993 – slapped a 100-year embargo on census data and made provision for it then to be released to the National Archives. This was done without any consultation among interested parties or stakeholder groups. Through effective lobbying led by the Council of Irish Genealogical Organisations (CIGO), an amendment via the Seanad (Upper House of Parliament) to the 1993 Bill reduced the embargo to 70 years. The Dail (Lower House) reversed the amendment. Quoting no clear or firm evidence, the Central Statistics Office (CSO) argues that if census returns are not closed for 100 years it will be difficult to ensure that the public will comply with future census campaigns. The flaw in this argument is that while all censuses compiled since 1993 automatically carry a 100-year embargo, no such commitment was given under the earlier 1926 Act. *Redaction* The CSO is convinced that the Irish public cannot easily differentiate between a 100-year closure and a similar policy that closes data until, say, 100 years after an individual's birth. The obvious compromise is to redact! Census records compiled under the 1926 Act, which includes all censuses to 1991, could be opened to the public after 85 years in a redacted form, with all so-called 'sensitive' information removed. *It's worked elsewhere!* UK: The UK introduced an embargo of 100 years in 1961. However, as no promise had been made about everlasting privacy in England and Wales when the 1911 census was taken, the Information Commissioner decided in 2006 that the public had a right of access. From that date the census data began to be released — in redacted form. /The above is a slightly edited version of CIGO's 1926 Census Briefing Document and is reproduced here with the kind permission of CIGO./ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

In the March meeting, the issue was raised formally within the proceedings by the North of Ireland Family History Society (www.nifhs.org <http://www.nifhs.org/>) - and the definitive response from PRONI is that the 1926 Northern Irish census was pulped in the Second World War. http://britishgenes.blogspot.ie/2013/05/northern-irish-1926-census-records.html On 13/04/2016 18:45, [email protected] wrote: > FERMANAGH-GOLD NI 1926 census > To: "Dave H."<[email protected]>,[email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Do you know what happened to it? I know during WWI records were pulped due to > a paper shortage, but wasn?t aware of this happening during WWII > > There is a report on Histpop regarding it which gives general information. > > http://histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/AssociatedPageBrowser? > path=Browse&active=yes&mno=238&tocstate=expandnew&display=sections&display=tables&display=pagetitles&pageseq=1&assoctitle=Census > %20of%20Northern%20Ireland,%201926&assocpagelabel= > > On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 15:27:55 BST Dave H. via wrote: >> >I don't think the 1926 Census exists for NI. >> > >> > >> >DH > > > > ------------------------------ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Do you know what happened to it? I know during WWI records were pulped due to a paper shortage, but wasn’t aware of this happening during WWII There is a report on Histpop regarding it which gives general information. http://histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/AssociatedPageBrowser? path=Browse&active=yes&mno=238&tocstate=expandnew&display=sections&display=tables&display=pagetitles&pageseq=1&assoctitle=Census %20of%20Northern%20Ireland,%201926&assocpagelabel= On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 15:27:55 BST Dave H. via wrote: > I don't think the 1926 Census exists for NI. > > > DH

Census lost: Historic 1926 NI records may be destroyed By Mark Simpson BBC Ireland Correspondent 11 June 2013 From the section Northern Ireland The paperwork from the 1926 census for Northern Ireland has been lost The official records of the first census carried out in Northern Ireland, in 1926, no longer exist. An investigation by the Public Record Office found no trace of the census. The Department of Culture, Arts and Leisure said the records may have been destroyed during WWII. Although the main findings of the 1926 census were made public, the paperwork was kept private. It was a significant moment in history - the first census since the partition of Ireland. Historian Dr Eamon Phoenix said some important information from 1926 has been lost for ever. He said: "A great deal of social, political, economic history, religious demography - how it compared with the 1911 census, the last all-Ireland census - all of that has been lost." The Department of Culture, Arts and Leisure said: "PRONI (Public Record Office in Northern Ireland) undertook an investigation of our own correspondence in relation to the 1926 census, and found no evidence of that census ever being transferred to PRONI. "We can confirm that the 1926 census returns for the north are not held by either PRONI or NISRA (Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency). "The records are understood to have been destroyed, possibly during World War II. The next census records held by PRONI date from 1937." Dr Phoenix admitted that news of the missing census did not come as a complete surprise. He said: "There had been rumours since the 1950s that the 1926 census was actually pulped and burned during the war as part of a waste-paper campaign, apparently without any authorisation. "This had been forgotten, it became something of an urban legend in historical circles, but it's now emerged as fact." Image caption Historian Dr Eamon Phoenix said some important information has been lost forever Dr Phoenix said the destruction of the census during war-time was also not totally surprising. He said: "There was a great move on during the War to use metal railings to recycle them for armaments, for example. "Waste paper was to be destroyed, it was a fire risk in the Second World War and of course Belfast was famously blitzed in 1941. "So one theory is that after the Blitz, when 1,000 people died and the centre of the city was ravaged by the Luftwaffe, an order went out from someone saying 'look burn anything that's a fire risk' and someone perhaps in the Registrar General's office destroyed it." So what has been lost? He said: "We've lost the first recording of the community in Northern Ireland after partition. "We lost information on the movement of population - Catholics leaving to join the new Irish free state for example, Protestants moving in from the border counties - Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal. "Where people were actually born, all of that has been lost and we have to wait until the 1930s for the first take on the population for Northern Ireland." It is not the first time an important document from the early 20th Century in Belfast has gone missing. Last year, it emerged that the historic first page of the Ulster Covenant signed by Sir Edward Carson at Belfast City Hall in 1912 cannot be found. regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com ________________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of [email protected] via <[email protected]> Sent: 13 April 2016 17:44 To: Dave H.; [email protected] Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD NI 1926 census Do you know what happened to it? I know during WWI records were pulped due to a paper shortage, but wasn’t aware of this happening during WWII There is a report on Histpop regarding it which gives general information. http://histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/AssociatedPageBrowser? path=Browse&active=yes&mno=238&tocstate=expandnew&display=sections&display=tables&display=pagetitles&pageseq=1&assoctitle=Census %20of%20Northern%20Ireland,%201926&assocpagelabel= On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 15:27:55 BST Dave H. via wrote: > I don't think the 1926 Census exists for NI. > > > DH ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message