Well I am starting to see a pattern here and I wonder if other researchers run up against this as much as I do: Your ancestors arrived in New Orleans but it was the year before they have records of ships passengers. Your Great grandmother graduates from High School and you go to the local historical society in that town and they have lists of all the graduates from that high school but they start a few years after she would have graduated. Your ancestors came over on a boat from England to New York, you know the year and month and who they travelled with, but the year they arrived there are no passenger lists for. You find a grave in the town where you think one ought to be and the name is right and it says "Our Father" so he obviously had kids and therefore descendants, but there are no dates on it. Arrrrrrrrgh!!! What more can I say. Peggy Falk Missouri, USA KAYE, WOODHEAD, DAWSON WRY, Yorkshire, England LUCAS, LIPTON, JOHNSTON Enniskillen, Fermanagh, Ireland