In a message dated 8/17/98 6:24:17 PM, low@mlb.planet.gen.nz wrote: <<Can anyone help this Kiwi. My GGGrandmother was born in Fermangh Ireland 1831. She married in Australia 1856 and died in New Zealand 1910. I have her marriage certificate and her death certificate but neither give enough information other than names of her parents. Where do I send for a copy of her birth certificate. None of the documents give any other information than Fermanagh. Kind regards Pauline >> Unfortunately, there are no birth certificates available for anyone before 1864, when civil registration began in Ireland. If you you figure out what parish she was from, and IF you are very lucky, you might be able to get a copy of her baptismal record from her parish church. But many parish records didn't start until after that--Devinish RC records start in 1853, for instance. Btw, you didn't mention her name or her religion. Your next step might be (since you know the names of her parents) to try to identify the parish by locating both her parents' names in Griffith's Valuation. (If you are not sure what that is, read about it here: <A HREF="http://www.irish-times.com/ancestor/browse/records/land/index.htm"> Irish Ancestors;Land Records</A> This might not work if the names are very common, however. But it may get you a few parishes to zero in on as likely. Then you can look for church records. Janet