In reply to Maureen in reply to me. I want to be clear up what I believe is a misunderstanding on what I was saying. The map that Jan Hart put up for us on Fermanagh Gold is a map of part of Co. Fermanagh and a part of Co. Monaghan. It appears to be, from the townlands that are named on it, that it represents a PART of Clones Parish. When all of Ireland was the same country, the fact that parishes, especially religious parishes spanned civil borders had no incidence - "render onto Caesar that which is Caesar's and render unto God that which is God's". Clones Parish is not the only parish that spans the Monaghan-Fermanagh border - take a look at Drummully Parish. The NI-Eire border at that particular point looks like a jigsaw puzzle, or as I'd like to think of it, the North shaking hands with the South. The old folks from my ancestors there that on the same townland, depending on which house you were born in, children of the same family were born in different counties, but in the same parish. The parish map of Fermanagh is at this url : http://proni.nics.gov.uk/geogindx/ferm.htm ; that of Co Monaghan is at http://www.ancestryireland.com/index.htm?monaghan_map.htm (unfortunately there was a slight shift in the upper part of this map when it was scanned, which I corrected for myself locally.) The map Jan put up is the western part of civil parish number 5 (Clones) on the Fermanagh parish map , as well as civil parish number 4 (the shift makes the number look like a half erased "14",) on the Monaghan map. Tom [email protected] sur 14/05/2001 19:18:55 Pour : [email protected] cc : Objet : Map of Fermanagh In reply to Thomas Moffat This is a huge anomoly for many people who do not know the area, but there is a huge difference today as opposed to prior to the separation of the 6 counties from the 26 Counties of Ireland. CLONES PARISH on the records up to the 1920's does not mean that the people lived in Clones in County Monaghan Every certificate I have , and I have at least a hundred of the Rosslea area show the PARISH as CLONES. but my ancesters come from Eshnadarragh, Corraleek and Corragunt, all very definitely in Fermanagh. In 1922 this changed to the UNION OF LISNASKEA on all certificates. The confusion is made even worse by the fact that west of Rosslea ie. Aghadrumsee, Newtownbutler etc where the CHURCH RECORDS were not held by individual churches, at least if they were they deny it, and you have to apply to the PARCOCHIAL HOUSE , THE SACRED HEART , CLONES. What I think is not realised is how small Fermanagh actually is and where the National Boundary lies between the NORTH and SOUTH of Ireland. In some cases and indeed as was on the farm I was brought up on ,the boundary was only a stream and the farm was actually straddling Fermanagh and Monaghan. Hence my comments in previous listings where I warned to watch out for this as the 'HUSBAND TO BE' only had to cross the fields to COURT his Bride to be. This also applies to LEITRIM, DONEGAL.CAVAN. all in the 26 Counties and TYRONE in the six Counties. To illustrate better perhaps, I could travel by car from Enniskillen to Clones taking the scenic route in under an hour. From Rosslea to Clones 15 Minutes. Newtownbutler to Clones 15 minutes. Dernawilt Cross to Clones we cycled on a regular basis taking us about 45 minutes depending who we met on the way. Maureen ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog