Hi Jan, Yes I've looked at your excellent site, and gotten quite a fair bit of info from it. [If you stir your memory, you might even remember helping me download some Crawford info. a few weeks back when we ran into an incompatibility of e-mail programs??] But I do have a couple of questions for you, if I may treat you as an expert witness! Trying to reconcile Gold info. and IGI info. I find Tubmans (maybe that should be Tubpersons today <grin>) in Kinawley. But both in Kinawley FGH and in Kinawley Cavan. Are there two Kinawleys, or was there a county boundary change, or might you guess someone misplaced one of the two? And second, where is Drumkervin?? I was fascinated to find the Tubman connection, as I'd seen no sign of any English planters (and I guess that's what they were) previously. Crawford.