At 5:25 PM +0200 3/26/01, [email protected] wrote: > Michael, > > I have seen arguments in both directions on this subject but I have >yet to see anyone arrogant enough to say from his high horse in the 21st >century that there has NEVER been ANY intermarriage / intermingling >between the the Irish and the Spanish. Actually if you read the post I never said the there were no intermarriage between Irish the Spanish; though I'd be real surprised considering the temperture of the water that many sailors survived the sinking. Definately, no where near enough to explain black hair and eyes in Ireland, IF in fact the Irish/Celtics were as fair as you all are presuming. At 10:24 AM -0500 3/26/01, [email protected] wrote: >How does intermarriage between blacks and Irish in America affect dark hair >colour over in Ireland? The Irish had black hair long before the 1500's. >Neither the intermarriage of races nor even the Spanish are of sufficient >explanation. Actually, if I presume anything its that black hair and eyes are pretty much spread through all groups of humans; and as a dominate trait will frequently appear. In other words there is no need to explain dark hair and eyes they are normal. My understanding is that there were several migrations of Celtics into Europe and some going through the north of Africa. m ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jazz is freedom. - T. Monk http://www.panix.com/~cassidy

Hi Michael, You do say "The myth that the trait of black hair and dark eyes insome Irish come from the spanish has been debunked." Again I say this is not true. Some Irish have Spanish descendents. Some Irish have descendents who were survivors of the Armada. As for water temperature, Ireland has the warmest water temperature of any of the Northern European Countries, because of the Gulf Stream, and for example two ships from the armada were wrecked less than 200 meters from low tide mark off the Sligo Coast in a shallow bay. A number of these sailors survived, had children and some of the locals were tried for treason when it was found they helped the Spaniards. Their death sentences were eventually commuted on humanitarian grounds. All this is well documented in contemporary records and newspapers. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Michael Cassidy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ref. : Re: Spaniards in Ireland/Black Irish At 5:25 PM +0200 3/26/01, [email protected] wrote: > Michael, > > I have seen arguments in both directions on this subject but I have >yet to see anyone arrogant enough to say from his high horse in the 21st >century that there has NEVER been ANY intermarriage / intermingling >between the the Irish and the Spanish. Actually if you read the post I never said the there were no intermarriage between Irish the Spanish; though I'd be real surprised considering the temperture of the water that many sailors survived the sinking. Definately, no where near enough to explain black hair and eyes in Ireland, IF in fact the Irish/Celtics were as fair as you all are presuming. At 10:24 AM -0500 3/26/01, [email protected] wrote: >How does intermarriage between blacks and Irish in America affect dark hair >colour over in Ireland? The Irish had black hair long before the 1500's. >Neither the intermarriage of races nor even the Spanish are of sufficient >explanation. Actually, if I presume anything its that black hair and eyes are pretty much spread through all groups of humans; and as a dominate trait will frequently appear. In other words there is no need to explain dark hair and eyes they are normal. My understanding is that there were several migrations of Celtics into Europe and some going through the north of Africa. m ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jazz is freedom. - T. Monk http://www.panix.com/~cassidy ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB