Thanks very much for all the info -- really very interesting and I'm really surprised at all this! Quite awesome ! Regards, Pat -----Original Message----- From: CJMax [mailto:moments-in-time@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 9:07 PM To: patricia williams; FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FERMANAGH] RE: FERMANAGH-D Digest V06 #27 Patricia, I should have reread your email - the last reply was done over a couple of hours as people were in and out here. We can use our Y-DNA and mtDNA to link up with other cousins, etc. by comparing the different marker values that one gets with one's DNA test. The haplogroup assignment will put you in your name group - a large group of people from the same tribe, to use an analogy. Then by looking at how many similar markers one has, one can see how closely related two or more people are. For instance, say you've had a 37-marker mtDNA test done. If you should find another woman with the same maiden name as your mother but in a different part of the country or even world and she has 37 identical markers to you then there is a very strong chance that you two are related to each other (have a common ancestor is the way they say it) within the past few hundred years or so. That will allow the 2 of you to compare family histories and work together to find that common ancestor. If in those 37 markers you are off by 1 then that common ancestor may be 550 years ago. Those are not hard and fast rules as we have someone in our kinship whose 2 sons are something like 2 off on one marker. So the rate of change in the markers has to be taken with a grain of salt to allow for shorter time periods than are generally allowed for. I hope this helps.

Thanks for that, Rita - I have bookmarked the page and will enjoy looking at that! Might even do a search! We are going away tomorrow so will be off line for a while - something to look forward to on our return! Best wishes, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Rita Chesterton [mailto:rchesterton@erols.com] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:03 PM To: patricia williams Subject: Re: [FERMANAGH] RE: FERMANAGH-D Digest V06 #27 To learn ALL about DNA testing (including haplogroups) just go to www.familytreeDNA.com You can also do a surname search to see if anyone has already started a DNA project for any name. Rita in NJ

Coolaghty a townland, North east of Ederny about 3 miles, nearest RC church not to far from border of co Tyrone, 1/2 mile in catholic parish of Cul Maine in civil parish of Drumkeran COI parish of Coolaghty 1 mile long and 3/4 mile wide surronded by: on the NE, Oghillicartan on the E, by Mweelbane on the SE by Keeran, COI location on the SW, by Bracklin on the W, by Knockroe on the NW, by Tirwinny, Methodist Location on the N, ny Tirmacspird. in 1835 the road form Lack crossed the southern tip of this area, a farm road branched northward, and had three medium size structures on it. From my files: Bud Flanagan, in Arizona

Re DNA testing. Thanks for the explanation - I was just about to ask! However, once you have the info re your own DNA, how do you then go about finding the ancestors? Perhaps if I understood what a Haplogroup is, I'd be able to work it out. Sorry to be dim! Patricia -----Original Message----- From: FERMANAGH-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:FERMANAGH-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 4:00 PM To: FERMANAGH-D@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-D Digest V06 #27

Patricia, I should have reread your email - the last reply was done over a couple of hours as people were in and out here. We can use our Y-DNA and mtDNA to link up with other cousins, etc. by comparing the different marker values that one gets with one's DNA test. The haplogroup assignment will put you in your name group - a large group of people from the same tribe, to use an analogy. Then by looking at how many similar markers one has, one can see how closely related two or more people are. For instance, say you've had a 37-marker mtDNA test done. If you should find another woman with the same maiden name as your mother but in a different part of the country or even world and she has 37 identical markers to you then there is a very strong chance that you two are related to each other (have a common ancestor is the way they say it) within the past few hundred years or so. That will allow the 2 of you to compare family histories and work together to find that common ancestor. If in those 37 markers you are off by 1 then that common ancestor may be 550 years ago. Those are not hard and fast rules as we have someone in our kinship whose 2 sons are something like 2 off on one marker. So the rate of change in the markers has to be taken with a grain of salt to allow for shorter time periods than are generally allowed for. I hope this helps. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia williams" <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [FERMANAGH] RE: FERMANAGH-D Digest V06 #27 > Re DNA testing. Thanks for the explanation - I was just about to ask! > > However, once you have the info re your own DNA, how do you then go about > finding the ancestors? Perhaps if I understood what a Haplogroup is, I'd > be > able to work it out. Sorry to be dim! > > Patricia > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: FERMANAGH-D-request@rootsweb.com > [mailto:FERMANAGH-D-request@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 4:00 PM > To: FERMANAGH-D@rootsweb.com > Subject: FERMANAGH-D Digest V06 #27 > > > > > > > > ==== FERMANAGH Mailing List ==== > Get more help by joining these two lists: > IRL-Fermanagh-L-request@rootsweb.com > Fermanagh-Gold-L-request@rootsweb.com > IRL-ULSTER-L-request@rootsweb.com

Patricia, No need to be concerned about being dim as haplogroups weren't studied by more than a handful or two of geneticists as recently as 12-15 years ago. A haplogroup is a distinct group of individuals who can be identified by common DNA markers. Those common DNA markers originated with a common ancestor somewhere back in time. If my memory serves me, there were only something like a dozen or fewer identified 12 years ago. There are now over 140 I believe. Someone can probably bring us up to date with the correct numbers. Eventually by identifying the various haplogroups and puting them in a time and location sequence by mapping changes in them (something like tracking mutations over time) we can trace the movements of a people or haplogroup through the centuries back in time to the original Eve - or hope to do so. That goal, Eve, is something akin to the Holy Grail but probably much more realistic. I hope this helps a wee bit. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia williams" <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [FERMANAGH] RE: FERMANAGH-D Digest V06 #27 > Re DNA testing. Thanks for the explanation - I was just about to ask! > > However, once you have the info re your own DNA, how do you then go about > finding the ancestors? Perhaps if I understood what a Haplogroup is, I'd > be > able to work it out. Sorry to be dim! > > Patricia > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: FERMANAGH-D-request@rootsweb.com > [mailto:FERMANAGH-D-request@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 4:00 PM > To: FERMANAGH-D@rootsweb.com > Subject: FERMANAGH-D Digest V06 #27 > > > > > > > > ==== FERMANAGH Mailing List ==== > Get more help by joining these two lists: > IRL-Fermanagh-L-request@rootsweb.com > Fermanagh-Gold-L-request@rootsweb.com > IRL-ULSTER-L-request@rootsweb.com

I've had several people contact me off-list, so I thought that I'd best send the following for others who may be interested but too timid to ask... "You ask an excellent question! I'll answer it too online for others later... The following company provides the best services for our purpose: http://www.familytreedna.com/ Y-DNA can be tested only through male lines of the family. When you contact FTDNA they will send you a kit at no cost. The kit contains a couple of swabs/containers. You take the swab and rub it around on the inside of your cheek. That collects the material - loose skin cells from the inside of your mouth - that they test. It is absolutely painless and very easy/simple to do. You pay when you decide to return the kit for testing. FTDNA has several levels of Y-DNA tests that it offers. The least valuable is the 12-marker test which goes for $99. It gives a very basic identification of a haplogroup in most cases. The test that is most worthwhile is the 37-marker test. They offer a higher level of testing, but, IMO, it's not worth it for our purposes. There is also a mtDNA test - mitochondrial DNA. It tests only through the female line of a family. So the ladies aren't left out. It is a wee bit more involved and as a result a wee bit more expensive. To date, there are no available tests for women to check on their male lineage and for men to check on their female lineage. I hope that this answers your question. If you have any others, just ask." Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay

Just less than a year ago I felt that I had run into one too many brick walls with my Johnston/e ancestors in Ireland. I had made no headway for several years on that side of the pond. So, I had my Y-DNA tested. I expected nothing to come from this test. Most Johnston/es were testing as R2b (Celtic). As luck would have it, I tested as I1c (Danish Viking). It was a great surprise to me, although I have some oral family history which indicates that our Johnston/e family was not like the other Johnston/e families - "different" is the word used - but no one now could remember what that meant. Some took it as something not very good for some reason or other. Most just shook their heads. It was a great break as I am now in touch with a handful of other Johnston/es. One of those has the following ancestor located: Charles Johnston (1752-1845), was married to his second wife, Susannah Sproule, on 17 Aug 1818 in St. Mary's Church of Ireland, Parish of Magheraculmoney, Co. Fermanagh. Another has his grandfather's genealogy going back to Poldean farm in Scotland in the mid-1700's. I have a William Johnston marrying a Sarah Johnstone in 1886 in Ontario, Canada. She has an ancestor born in Ireland: Archibald Johnston, b. 1811, Cahore, Co. Fermanagh. He married a Jane Reynolds, although her surname is subject to dispute because of difficulty in interpreting the writing of her surname. We have not been able to locate them on paper in Ireland. I am becoming more convinced as time goes on that Y-DNA testing is a most valuable tool in our research efforts. It has done more to bring 6 of us from various widespread Johnston/e families together on the internet than any other to date. I would encourage all Johnston/es with ancestors in/from Co. Fermanagh to have their Y-DNA tested, a 12-marker test at the very least. This will give you a quick determination at the very least of the haplogroup that you belong to. With luck we'll find some additional I1c Johnston/e kin. For what it's worth, I have nothing to do with the Y-DNA testing companies. Any questions about them can be posted here or sent to me at my email address: moments-in-time@charter.net. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay

I too have Johnston ancestors in Magherculmoney - will be interested to hear what the results of the DNA testing can connect. Margaret Research interests: WILSON/HAMILTON/MILLER - Co. Tyrone - N.Ireland MORROW/ARMSTRONG/JOHNSTON/CLINTON - Co. Fermanagh N. Irl. ALLINGHAM - Co. Donegal, N. Ireland BARNES/WHYBROW - Co.Cambridge, Norfolk England DURHAM/WRIGHT - Aberdeen, Scotland COLLINS/ALLEN/HOCKING - Co. Cornwall, England

Fantastic! Glad to hear of your success with Y-DNA. This will finally connect the dots where early Fermanagh records are scarce. I have also taken the test with results due next week for my line. Bill Barber

I recently received some information regarding Charles Johnston (1752-1845) who was married to Susannah Sproule on 17 Aug 1818 in St. Mary's Church of Ireland, Parish of Magheraculmoney, Co. Fermanagh. Evidently I am very closely related to a couple of his descendants via recent Y-DNA testing. Is there anyone out there who can check the above Church records for a mention of my gggrandfather Robert "Red Robin" Johnston, b. ca. 1807 in Ireland, and/or his brother/cousin Archibald, b. 1815 in Ireland, who may have been nephews of Charles. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay

http://www.from-ireland.net/contents/fermanconts.htm February : Heads of Household Index 1901 census, Enniskillen rural April : Official Authorities Co. Fermanagh 1834 BMD reference pages have been updated each month since Jan & any other pages on the site with mention of Fermanagh people have been linked to the Fermanagh page Jane

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jrbeattie@btinternet.com The above email address is of James Beattie who now live beside Killyfole lake in Fermanagh. He is also looking for relatives in the US. Good Luck Talk to you soon, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mardi Carlson" <cmc@hutchtel.net> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: [FERMANAGH] New to list (researching Beatty) > Hi everyone, > I am new to list. I am looking for any info on these people or how to > find the info on theses People. Any help appreciated. > > James Beatty b. c. 1786 Co. Fermanagh never married in Ireland, He was a > school teacher in Ireland before he immigrated to New Brunswick Canada in > 1818 and married in 1820's. > > Brothers: > William Beatty married Lucy they immigrated to New Brunswick Canada in > 1816. > > John Beatty had a son named Benjamin. Location unknown. > > Benjamin Beatty possible he died near Portpatrick Scotland before 1852. > > Sisters: > Esther Beatty married a Mayne and living in Portpatrick in 1852. > > Esther Beatty married a Brown and was living near Brooksborough, Co. > Fermanagh in 1852. > > My gggrandfather William would be a son of one of James brothers, as he > was his nephew. William b. c.1803 in Ireland married Margaret and had 4 > kids namely Robert, James, Thomas and John before emigrating from Ireland > to New Brunswick, Canada in 1836. > > In 1836 two other Beatty's immigrated to New Brunswick a Catherine Beatty > and a Thomas Jasper Beatty. Thomas Jasper and William settled in the same > area Kings County, NB and both attended the same church. I am under the > assumption that they must of been relatives. Thomas Jasper was b. 1803 > in Ireland. I do not know if they were brothers or cousins, or if it was > just a big coincedence. But hightly doubt the later. > > Any Suggestions on what to try next??? > Mardi > > > ==== FERMANAGH Mailing List ==== > Get more help by joining these two lists: > IRL-Fermanagh-L-request@rootsweb.com > Fermanagh-Gold-L-request@rootsweb.com > IRL-ULSTER-L-request@rootsweb.com >

Hi everyone, I am new to list. I am looking for any info on these people or how to find the info on theses People. Any help appreciated. James Beatty b. c. 1786 Co. Fermanagh never married in Ireland, He was a school teacher in Ireland before he immigrated to New Brunswick Canada in 1818 and married in 1820's. Brothers: William Beatty married Lucy they immigrated to New Brunswick Canada in 1816. John Beatty had a son named Benjamin. Location unknown. Benjamin Beatty possible he died near Portpatrick Scotland before 1852. Sisters: Esther Beatty married a Mayne and living in Portpatrick in 1852. Esther Beatty married a Brown and was living near Brooksborough, Co. Fermanagh in 1852. My gggrandfather William would be a son of one of James brothers, as he was his nephew. William b. c.1803 in Ireland married Margaret and had 4 kids namely Robert, James, Thomas and John before emigrating from Ireland to New Brunswick, Canada in 1836. In 1836 two other Beatty's immigrated to New Brunswick a Catherine Beatty and a Thomas Jasper Beatty. Thomas Jasper and William settled in the same area Kings County, NB and both attended the same church. I am under the assumption that they must of been relatives. Thomas Jasper was b. 1803 in Ireland. I do not know if they were brothers or cousins, or if it was just a big coincedence. But hightly doubt the later. Any Suggestions on what to try next??? Mardi

Has anyone ever heard of Dundock. It is on a Declaration of Intention - left Jan 1855 from Dundock and arrived in New York. Thanks. Karen Jefferson County Indiana lookup Volunteer

I am trying to decipher a Passenger Record and can't quite make out the name. Does this look familiar to anyone? Gartarannarth, Clones?? Karen Jefferson County Indiana lookup Volunteer

Death records don't give parents........ Sorrry Karen. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: <KPhill2906@aol.com> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:09 PM Subject: [FERMANAGH] Death Record 1931 > Can anyone tell me if a death record for June 24, 1931, would show both > parents names? >

You can rent the 1901 census and, I think, the 1911 census for Fermanagh through any LDS Family History Center.

Yes there is for Fermanagh. I obtained copies at the Enniskillen Library. Check the Leitrim-Roscommon site. They have 1749, 1858, 1901 and 1911 Census for many Irish Counties. http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/ Bill