Does anyone know what records exist for Cleenish Parish, for the late 1700's & early to mid 1800's. I'm trying to find some info on my ancestors John & Catharine Isaac. John is listed in the Flax Growers in 1796 in Cleenish Parish. I don't have any info on him after that. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Dorothy Quebec dquebec@sasktel.net

"Bill Barber" <wbarber@adelphia.net> wrote......................... >Does anyone know the location of Tullynoran? How about Tullymore? I am >looking at a List of Voters of 1788 and Rent Roll of 1793 which has these >Townlands listed for two different ancestors. >Bill Barber in New Hampshire Probably TULLYORAN (or Mount Prospect), in Kinawley parish. That parish lies west of Enniskillen. TULLYMORE in Inismacsaint parish. That parish lies east of Enniskillen. Multimap.com used to show small townlands in Fermanagh??? Traynor's Webpage - (Irish stuff) www.angelfire.com/my/tray

Does anyone know the location of Tullynoran? How about Tullymore? I am looking at a List of Voters of 1788 and Rent Roll of 1793 which has these Townlands listed for two different ancestors. Bill Barber in New Hampshire

Can some kind person help? Need some info; Walter Stinson m Jane ... Marie Anne Dau Edward Son James Son Shows as a family in the 1841 Census in 1841 in Drumlish. Can't place them with the right Parents. John Stinson ..Thank you.

Does SKS have access to ancestry.com and be willing to do a look-up for me? I'm trying to find out about my ancestor JOHN ISAAC and his wife CATHERINE. They lived in the Enniskillen area. They were born about 1775, and I have no idea when they died. I entered his name into ancestry.com, and it came up with several hits, including one in the Registry of Deeds. As I don't have a subscription to ancestry.com, I can't get any further into the info contained there. John & Catherine's children (that I know of) were: John (b. ca 1796), William (b. ca 1797), James (b. ca 1802), Catherine (b. ca 1803). Both John & William immigrated to Canada in the 1830's/40's. They belonged to the Church of Ireland (or England). Thank you so much in advance. I really would like to find out more about my Isaac ancestors, as we are planning a trip to Enniskillen in August. Dorothy Quebec dquebec@sasktel.net PS Still looking for suggestions as to what cemeteries to explore while I'm there, in hopes of finding John & Catherine's headstones. Thanks to those who've already responded.

Having some trouble with the cut & paste with the special text features here. Hopefully this will be able to be read! Karen Hitchcock (Auckland, NZ) > In my searches on the above site, found the following, and in view of = > the data of parents, in laws and siblings, thought it may be of interest = > to some researching above name. > Karen Hitchcock > Mrs. Viola Margaret Elizabeth Dilworth > A well-known and popular member of the Irvinestown community, = > Mrs. Viola Dilworth, of Dunena Avenue, died unexpectedly at her home = > last Wednesday, January 2, 2002, aged 47 years.=20 > Formerly Viola Keys, a daughter of the late William and the late = > Frances Keys, she was born at Rossfad, Killadeas, on September 27, 1954. = > She was educated at Shanmullagh Primary School before = > continuing her studies at the Duke of Westminster High School at = > Ballinamallard.=20 > It was during this time that her family moved to Humes Villas = > in Irvinestown . Viola first took up employment at Robinson's grocery = > shop in Irvinestown, later becoming an employee at Desmond & Sons in the = > town.=20 > After leaving there, Viola worked at the Fort Tavern in = > Enniskillen for the Flanagans.=20 > Subseqent employment was at Daintifyt in Irvinestown, where = > Viola became a cook in the canteen and remained until the factory = > closed.=20 > Suffering from declining health, she had been attending the = > Royal Victoria Hospital in Belfast.=20 > An outgoing, warm and friendly figure, Viola took pride in her = > home and family.=20 > She is also remembered for her kindness and her sense of fun = > and she was always active. Among her interests were flower arranging and = > bingo.=20 > A much loved wife and mother, Viola married Ronnie Dilworth = > from Irvinestown and they had celebrated 30 years of marriage. The = > couple's three children are Justian, Irvinestown, Jacqueline, at home, = > and Matthew, at university in Dundee. The family is very appreciative of = > all the support received at this time.=20 > Prior to her funeral service, Viola's remains left the Tyrone = > County Hospital, Omagh, for her home at Dunena Avenue, Irvinestown last = > Thursday, January 3.=20 > Last Friday afternoon, a short service at the home preceded = > the funeral service at Irvinestown Methodist Church. The Rev. Norman = > Cardwell led the service, assisted by the Rev. Norman Faux.=20 > The hymns were Nearer My God to Thee, Abide With Me, and The = > Day Thou Gavest Lord Has Ended. The organist was Mrs. Ruth Morrow, from = > Ballinamallard, and the soloist was Sinead Quinn from Irvinestown.=20 > Burial was at Sydare Cemetery.=20 > The high regard felt for Viola was reflected in the huge = > attendances over the wake and at the funeral.=20 > Viola is survived by her husband, Ronnie; sons, Justian and = > Matthew, and daughter, Jacqueline.=20 > She leaves her brother, Theo, and wife, May, Enniskillen; her = > father-in-law and mother-in-law, James and Vera Dilworth, Lisnarick; her = > four brothers-in-law, Julian, Sammy, Adrian and Alan; and her niece, = > Beverley. Also surviving Viola are the wider family circle and her = > friends.=20 > She was predeceased by her sister, Freda, at the age of 21 = > years in June 1964, and her father, William in March, 1999, and her = > mother, Frances, in April, 1983.=20 > The funeral arrangements were by R.A. Irwin, Irvinestown

To those members of the list who may have family still in the area the paper covers: It is well worth subscribing online to the above newspaper as it has searchable archives etc. One point of interest is that any obituary seems to list all members of the family left in the area, with their relationship to the deceased. I don't have share in the newspaper <grin> however I have received responses to items listed in the postings, and found out a lot of family history as a result. It is obviously well read in the area. Check it out on http://www.impartialreporter.com Karen Hitchcock (nee Guy) Researching Guy Family in Cos Tyrone, Fermanagh & Donegal

I had an index to the names found in these graveyards on the From Ireland web site with no years listed. The pages have now been changed to include the years and the description of the graveyard as given in the Clogher Record journal in which the transcriptions are published Jane http://www.from-ireland.net Click on the URL's below: Aghavea: http://www.from-ireland.net/graves/ferm/aghavea.htm Aghalurcher http://www.from-ireland.net/graves/ferm/aghalurcher.htm

Here are some websites I found helpful for planning our trip to Fermanagh last year. General info: http://www.enniskillen.com For excellent brochures: http://www.fermanaghlakelands.com/ Go to Information, then Brochures. Request both brochures which were very helpful in planning and also useful to carry while there. I received mine by airmail in 8 days - great customer service! This shows a number of local sites about which the brochure (above) will give detail: http://www.guide-to-nireland.com/ferguide.htm#Fermanagh Be sure to visit the Castle. Several good museums and exhibits. http://www.enniskillen.com/enniskillen_castle.html http://www.inniskilling.com/ Devinish Island is fascinating. I climbed the round tower years ago but it was closed in 2005 - but I don't think permanently - great view from the top. There is boat service from two locations often each day during the summer: http://www.cassidyclan.org/devinish.htm If you have half a day and a car, visit the Belleek China factory tour (& shop!) There may be bus service - ask at the Enniskillen bus station. http://www.belleek.ie/ I wanted to visit this lace museum in nearby Ballanaleck but just didn't have time - next visit. http://www.irishlacemuseum.com/ Here is accommodation info to check while you wait for the brochure will list thoroughly (we stayed with cousins): http://www.guide-to-nireland.com/ferman.htm This link provides good general info: http://www.discovernorthernireland.com/ Have a great trip! Linda Foh Saylorsburg, PA

Hi Dorothy, This is a very good B&B in Enniskillen _http://www.bedandbreakfast-directory.co.uk/uploads/estate/hotels/hotels12496.htm_ (http://www.bedandbreakfast-directory.co.uk/uploads/estate/hotels/hotels12496.htm) I am a qualified Irish National Tour Guide but if you want to do your own thing - Devenish Island, Fermanagh County Museum, Castle Coole, Florencecourt House and the Marble Arch show caves are all woth seeing. See our guides site at _http://www.erneheritagetours.com/_ (http://www.erneheritagetours.com/) Best Wishes, John Cunningham.

Hi, I'm looking at going to Enniskillen for a few days in August. I'm wondering if someone could recommend a B&B to stay in for a few nites. Also, what attractions are a must in that area? We won't be there very long. Thanks, Dorothy Quebec dquebec@sasktel.net

Hi to the List: HELP! I am looking for any information I can get on GGGrandfather on my father's side. He was Samuel Fawls BROWN born abt 1801 in Fermanagh County, Ireland (I know that is not much help). He married CATHERINE FRASER (b abt 1800 - ??) in 1830 in Cavan County from the info I /we have. They immigrated to New Brunswick in 1846/7 and landed in Richibucto, N B. They received a land grant in 1854 for land in Pine Ridge, Kent County. Can anyone help with info or point me in the right direction. Bob roblen@eastlink.ca Dartmouth, Nova Scotia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/358 - Release Date: 6/7/2006

Not meaning to be picky but the residence for Allingham looks like beginning with Drumna rather than Druma, which can make a difference. I have tried searching using wildcards but I cannot find anything that matches. I am just wondering (stabbing in the dark here) about the marriage registry. Questions I would be asking are, how did the person entering the information interpret the townlands as they were told to him/her? Did the registrar use phonetic spellings? I'm not sure just exactly how thoroughly the marriages were dealt with so, was it customary for the authorities, back then, to verify the spellings to make sure these places existed? I found a George Kerr listed, under Derrygonnelly (Inishmacsaint), in the Griffith's Valuation of 1862, so I am presuming this is the George Kerr (father of the groom). The only John Allingham I could find, in the Fermanagh Griffiths Valuation was for the townland of Sandhill (Innishmacsaint). Sorry I couldn't help any more than that but I would be interested to hear if you ever do get this mystery solved. Claire McConville www.aoyl51.dsl.pipex.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Swanson [mailto:swanson.michael@ieee.org] Sent: 11 May 2006 23:37 To: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [FERMANAGH] Andrew Kerr m. Jane Allingham 1859 in Benmore, the Parish Church, Co. Fermanaugh I need to help finding the town of Drinadoonian (Drumadoon???) in Inishmacsaint Parish. Maybe I am reading the marriage record wrong. (see link below for marriage record) Also, does anyone else have any ancestral links to this couple? http://home.comcast.net/~swanson.michael/m.kerrallingham.jpg Andrew Kerr m. Jane Allingham 1859 in Benmore Parish Church, Co. Fermanaugh. Mike Swanson

Mike, That's a tough one! I have been researching around Inishmacsaint for many years now and I have not seen a spelling like that for Allingham's residence. Looks like Drumnadoonian. My first inkling was to look at Drumbadmeen. But I don't think I have seen any Allingham's there...and that is closer to the Slavin Church than Benmore. Since Derrygonnelly is clearly stated on the Marriage Certificate, I looked at the Discoverer Sheet 17 and did a radius of Derrygonnelly and Benmore. There are lots of Drum.... townlands! But none quite like that. Drumadown Drumadillar Drumcorban Drumanure DRUMNANANE That last one, Drumnanane is likely for Drumnadoonian. It is due west of Derrygonnellly about 1.5 miles, near Sandhill. Spelling was not too important in those days. The next step to verify this 1859 Residence of the Allinghams is to look at the 1860 Griffiths Valuation for Drumnanane to see who lived there. Good luck! Bill Barber in New Hampshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Swanson" <swanson.michael@ieee.org> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:37 PM Subject: [FERMANAGH] Andrew Kerr m. Jane Allingham 1859 in Benmore, the Parish Church, Co. Fermanaugh >I need to help finding the town of Drinadoonian (Drumadoon???) in > Inishmacsaint Parish. Maybe I am reading the marriage record wrong. (see > link below for marriage record) Also, does anyone else have any > ancestral > links to this couple?

Thanks. I think George Kerr rented a house on Main Street in Derrygonnelly and rented land just a ways from Allingham in Sandhill. The witness at the wedding is the same person who rented Allingham his home. Since the bride and groom signed the marriage cert with Xs, they were in no position to proofread the cert. :-) I think "Drumadoonian" should be Drumadown, which is just outside of Derrygonnelly. -----Original Message----- From: Claire McConville [mailto:clairybums@dsl.pipex.com] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:10 PM To: swanson.michael@ieee.org; FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [FERMANAGH] Andrew Kerr m. Jane Allingham 1859 in Benmore, the Parish Church, Co. Fermanaugh Not meaning to be picky but the residence for Allingham looks like beginning with Drumna rather than Druma, which can make a difference. I have tried searching using wildcards but I cannot find anything that matches. I am just wondering (stabbing in the dark here) about the marriage registry. Questions I would be asking are, how did the person entering the information interpret the townlands as they were told to him/her? Did the registrar use phonetic spellings? I'm not sure just exactly how thoroughly the marriages were dealt with so, was it customary for the authorities, back then, to verify the spellings to make sure these places existed? I found a George Kerr listed, under Derrygonnelly (Inishmacsaint), in the Griffith's Valuation of 1862, so I am presuming this is the George Kerr (father of the groom). The only John Allingham I could find, in the Fermanagh Griffiths Valuation was for the townland of Sandhill (Innishmacsaint). Sorry I couldn't help any more than that but I would be interested to hear if you ever do get this mystery solved. Claire McConville www.aoyl51.dsl.pipex.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Swanson [mailto:swanson.michael@ieee.org] Sent: 11 May 2006 23:37 To: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [FERMANAGH] Andrew Kerr m. Jane Allingham 1859 in Benmore, the Parish Church, Co. Fermanaugh I need to help finding the town of Drinadoonian (Drumadoon???) in Inishmacsaint Parish. Maybe I am reading the marriage record wrong. (see link below for marriage record) Also, does anyone else have any ancestral links to this couple? http://home.comcast.net/~swanson.michael/m.kerrallingham.jpg Andrew Kerr m. Jane Allingham 1859 in Benmore Parish Church, Co. Fermanaugh. Mike Swanson

I am trying to determine the location of the wife's residence. I can't find it in the town list: http://www.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/townland/townd.htm Mike -----Original Message----- From: Michael Swanson [mailto:swanson.michael@ieee.org] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:37 PM To: ALLINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com; KERR-L@rootsweb.com; FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Andrew Kerr m. Jane Allingham 1859 in Benmore, the Parish Church, Co. Fermanaugh I need to help finding the town of Drinadoonian (Drumadoon???) in Inishmacsaint Parish. Maybe I am reading the marriage record wrong. (see link below for marriage record) Also, does anyone else have any ancestral links to this couple? http://home.comcast.net/~swanson.michael/m.kerrallingham.jpg Andrew Kerr m. Jane Allingham 1859 in Benmore Parish Church, Co. Fermanaugh. Mike Swanson

I need to help finding the town of Drinadoonian (Drumadoon???) in Inishmacsaint Parish. Maybe I am reading the marriage record wrong. (see link below for marriage record) Also, does anyone else have any ancestral links to this couple? http://home.comcast.net/~swanson.michael/m.kerrallingham.jpg Andrew Kerr m. Jane Allingham 1859 in Benmore Parish Church, Co. Fermanaugh. Mike Swanson

Stop John Cunningham, of Belleek, a noted historian and writer, graciously copied the tombstones and sent me the information. It was about Edward Flanagan, his sister Bridget, who married a Patrick McGloin and in buried in The Rock Chapel Graveyard in Ballyshannon. To all those wounderful members who offere to help, I say thank you all very much. My quote for the day "Cast ye bread upon the waters " Thanks again Bud Flanagan, in Arizona

I recently posted information for good travel maps for co Fermanagh, The person asked for low relief, I do not know what that means; But i will tell you what is on the maps I purchased. 1. Scale is 2 1/2 map inches per mile 2. Roads; class A, C, C, bike tracks, walking patchs, bridge clearences. 3. Car parks, rest rooms, observation points,golf courses, caves, quarry 4. T lands, PO, , wells, tombs, 5. Fresh water supplys, Caravan sites, Picnic places, Camp sites, Restaurants and shops and recommended fishing spots and anchorages. It is topograhical and show elevations of all hills and walking paths. It cost me (4.25 Sterling) N Ireland. This is my major reference map in helping out you subscribers all these years. Bud in Arizona

go to theWEB site link below. it explains the different type of DNA tests and what they are used for............... 60,000 years ago "adam" started the spread of man and is traced by Dr. williams (?). my DNA goes to 1000bc in ireland/wales https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html -----Original Message----- From: CJMax [mailto:moments-in-time@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 3:59 PM To: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FERMANAGH] RE: FERMANAGH-D Digest V06 #27 Patricia, No need to be concerned about being dim as haplogroups weren't studied by more than a handful or two of geneticists as recently as 12-15 years ago. A haplogroup is a distinct group of individuals who can be identified by common DNA markers. Those common DNA markers originated with a common ancestor somewhere back in time. If my memory serves me, there were only something like a dozen or fewer identified 12 years ago. There are now over 140 I believe. Someone can probably bring us up to date with the correct numbers. Eventually by identifying the various haplogroups and puting them in a time and location sequence by mapping changes in them (something like tracking mutations over time) we can trace the movements of a people or haplogroup through the centuries back in time to the original Eve - or hope to do so. That goal, Eve, is something akin to the Holy Grail but probably much more realistic. I hope this helps a wee bit. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "patricia williams" <pat.williams121@virgin.net> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [FERMANAGH] RE: FERMANAGH-D Digest V06 #27 > Re DNA testing. Thanks for the explanation - I was just about to ask! > > However, once you have the info re your own DNA, how do you then go about > finding the ancestors? Perhaps if I understood what a Haplogroup is, I'd > be > able to work it out. Sorry to be dim! > > Patricia > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: FERMANAGH-D-request@rootsweb.com > [mailto:FERMANAGH-D-request@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 4:00 PM > To: FERMANAGH-D@rootsweb.com > Subject: FERMANAGH-D Digest V06 #27 > > > > > > > > ==== FERMANAGH Mailing List ==== > Get more help by joining these two lists: > IRL-Fermanagh-L-request@rootsweb.com > Fermanagh-Gold-L-request@rootsweb.com > IRL-ULSTER-L-request@rootsweb.com ==== FERMANAGH Mailing List ==== County genealogical sites for County Fermanagh: FermanaghGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirfer2/ IrelandGenWeb: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/