I am interested in information about my ggggrandfather, Alexander McCreery who was born County Fermanagh, Ireland, in 1791. I would also like to know about his family. I do know that he was in Canada by 1816. Thanks, Joe Glotzbach

I am still interested in the Irish/Australian link for the surnames: MUSGRAVE/MUSGROVE, WALLACE, LOVE, OSBORNE, SOMERVILLE and ALLEN. The information I have on Charles MUSGRAVE is that he was a saddler in Tyrone but "put his sons on the land". (His sons were: John, Charles, William Love and Thomas - that I know of. He also had at least one daughter - Jane. All came to Australia between the 1830's to 1860.) I am now extending my search to Tyrone, Fermanagh, Antrim and Cavan. Many of the "place of birth" entries have simply had "Fermanagh". Found from the Griffith Valuation: Thomas Musgrave, Parish of Maghenacross, Tounland Drumnury and another Musgrave Parish of Enniskillen Toundland Breagho - but not further information. Can anyone else fill in the information please? Recently I received the first tangible information (from Margaret Jansen) from the Griffith Valuation, about Charles MUSGRAVE (b abt 1780 m. abt 1810 to Anne LOVE - both had died between 1839 and 1849) who was the tenant of 22 acres (and a Robert Musgrave 24 acres both) in the parish of Ballyclog Tyrone. I would be very interested to hear from anyone in the Fermanagh area particularly in the parishes of Enniskillen, Magheracross or Killesher, and the Townland of Gortmore, who may have stumbled across any gravestone inscriptions or church records for the Church of Ireland or Presbyterian Church or anything else about the Musgrave/Wallace families - while doing their own research. Thank you. Robyn Musgrave Northern NSW Australia

-----Original Message----- From: Belinda Engstrom <belinda@interworx.com.au> To: AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, April 03, 1999 8:34 AM Subject: EXTRACT. 19. FERMANAGH FICHE. >CALDWELL.- See Beattie. >CAMPBELL.-1672.John.,s. to William.C., Burial. >CAMPBELL.-1680. jAMES.c. and Jane. SHORE Marriage. >CASHELL.-1700. A child off Lieut. CASHELL. Burial. >CARTHCART.-1720.- Allan.Cathcart. Burial. >CARTHCART.- 1733. Carleton, of Malcom and .......C. Bapt.? >CLARKE.- 1654. Robert, son of Robert.C. Bapt. >CLARKE.- 1673.- John.C. and Elizabeth.DAINE. Marr. >CLARKE.-1693. ffrances, dau. of Capt. Robt. C., and Elizabeth his w., >Bapt. >CLARKE.-1695. Mary of Capt. Robt. C., and Elizabeth his w., >CLARKE,-1695. ffrances C., Capt. Robt.C's. mother. Burial. >CLARK.-Mary.C., a child of Capt. R.Clark, burialCLARKE.- See Arsdell. >page 135. >COLE.-1667. Michael, s. of John.C., bapt. in 1668, Burial. >?? >COLE.-Also of John.C.,-Mary{1668.} Frances{1670} Francis{1672} Bapt. >COLE.-1696.- Winfry C., an old woman. Burial. >COLE.-1699. A child of William C., Burial. >COLE.-1701. Elizabeth C., of William and Ann. Bapt. >COLE.- 1706. Mistress COLE. Burial. >COLE.-1714.Florence C., of John.C. and Florence WRAY. Bapt. >COLE.-1715. Mr. Wm. C. of John COLE. Esq, Burial. >COLE.-1717. Miss.Nansie C. of John.Cole,Esq. Burial. >COLE.-1718. John.C. Esq., and Mrs.Jane. SANDERSON. Marriage. >COLE.-1719. Mary.C., of John.C., Esq. and Jane. Bapt. >COLE.-1724. Fenton.C. and Dorothy SAUNDERSON. Marr. >COLE.-1726. John.Cole.Esq. M.P. for E. and father of Lord Mount Florence. >Burial. >COLE.-1726. Mrs.COLE. Burial. >COLE.-1727. Mr. Fenton COLE'S wife. Burial. >COLE.-1770. The Rev. Henry Cole. Burial. >COLE.-1771.Lady. Dowager Mount Florence.. Burial. >COLE.-1772. Mr.Thomas Cole. Burial. >COLE.-1782. Arthur of Lord Viscount Enniskillen. Bapt. >COLE.-See DANE. >{There are many Cole entries in St. Michan's Dublin. >COLLUM.-1772. A child of Thomas and Catherine.C. bAPT. >COLLUM.-1775. Elizabeth of Hugh and Rebecca. Bapt. >COLLUM.-1780. Thomas of Thomas and Margt. C. Bapt. >COLLUM.-See Betty GRAHAM. >COLVIN.-See Gore. >CONELLY.-1786. Bernard.C. and Alice. LAVERY. Marr. >CONOLEY.-1683. Micheal.C. and Ann SHORE. Marr. >CORMIKEE.-1672. Catrin,d. to Wm. C. and Marg. her mother. Bapt. >CORMICKE.-1673. Margaret, w. to Wm. C. Burial. >CORRY.-1666. Sarah, dau. of Capt. James.C. Burial. >CORRY.-1667. Jo. s. to Capt. James. C. Bapt. >CORRY.-1704. Martha.C. of Capt. John and Sarah.LESLIE. Bapt. >CORRY.-Of same parents-Wm.{1706.} John{1708.} and Sarah{1709.} who >was mother of first Earl of Belmore, Mary {1710.} Lesly{1712.} >Elizabeth{1715.} >In the last 3 entries it is Colonel John Corry. >CORRY.-{of Carrowmacmea} 1711. James.C. and Margt. CRAWFORD. >Marriage. >CORRY.-1711. John.C. of James and Margaret. Bapt. >CORRY.-Of same parents-Laurence{1711} d. 1799. Ancestor of the American >family. >Robert{1715.} Alexander{1716.} Lesly {1719.} and another illegible.{1721.} >CORRY.-{prob. same family} 1679. John.C. and Ann. ANDREWES. >Marriage. >CORRY.-1681. Margt. dau. of John. C. and Ann, his w. Bapt. >CORRY.-1735. John.C. of Charles and Frances, Bapt. >CORRY.-1771. Alex. of John and Ann.C. Bapt. >CORRY.-1794. Laurence, of James and Sarah.C. Bapt. >CORRY.-1679. Jane, dau. of Wm and Margt. C. Bapt. >CORRY.-1740. Sydney Corry, a child. Burial. >CORRY.-1740. -----cORRY. A CHILD, Burial. >CORRY.-1772. A child of Fitzwilliam CURRY. Burial. >CORRY.-1773. William. Curry. Burial. >CORRY.-1774.John, of Fitzwilliam and Ann.C. Bapt. >CORRY.-1774. Also another {1779.} and Fitzwilliam{1781.} Bapt. >CORRY.-1774. A.., of John and Ann.C. Bapt. >CORRY.-1774. Nanny. Corry. Burial. >CORRY.-1775. Lydia.Corry. Burial. >CORRY.-1776. George, of Samuel and Rachel.C. bAPT. >CORRY.- 1796. Anne, wife of Fitzwilliam.C. Burial. >CORRY,-1800. Mary, dau. of Daniell and Mary.C. of E. Bapt. >CORRY.-1801. Sarah.Corry. aged 22. Burial. >CORRY.-See Willis. >CRAWFORD.- 1668. David s. of Christopher.C. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.- 1669. Sara. dau. of R-------- C. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.-1670. Jenitt, dau. of Alexander.C. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.-1671. William, s. of John.C. Burial. >CRAWFORD.-1678. Mary ye dau. of John CRAFFORD. Burial. >CRAWFORD.-1719. Elizabeth,C. of James and Isabel{twice.} Bapt. >CRAWFORD.-1721. Robert.C. of James and Isabel. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.-1723. John C. of Henry and Ann. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.-1740. Elizabeth.C. of Laurence and Lucia. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.- 1774. - - of Wm. and Jane.C. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.-1774. Laurence, of Robt. and Elizabeth C. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.-1776. Michael Crawford and Rebecca Crawford. Marr. >CRAWFORD.-1776. James, of Wm. and Ann.C. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.-1777. John and Ann, twins of Henry and Jane.C. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.-1777. James, of John and Jane.C. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.-1779. James.C. and Mary Ann. RUTLEDGE, Marr. >CRAWFORD.-1780. Margaret, of John and Dorcas.C. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.-1781. Elizabeth, of Wm. and Elizabeth. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.-1782.. William, of Wm. and Elizabeth. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.-1782. Henry Crawford and Jane SOMERELL. Marr. >CRAWFORD.-1782. James, of James and Marian.C. Bapt. >CRAWFORD.1797.Robt. Crawford,Qr. Master of 31 Lt. Dragoons >and Rebecca Crawford. Marr. >CRAWFORD.See Corry, Moreton, Quin, Scott. >CROOK.-1672. Ed., son to Wm. Crooke, Margtott his mother. Bapt. >CUE.-1672. Henry, son of Jo. Cue. Modlen his wife. Bapt. > from Belinda. > > > > > > > > > >

In a message dated 4/1/99 9:43:14 PM, Naberssj@aol.com wrote: <<Can anyone tell me briefly what kinds of things are contained--are there real specific family data and records? I thought perhaps it was more narrative history, and very general.>> You are correct, it is more a general (rather rambling) narrative and history. Thereis a general section on the surnames of Fermanagh, which gives general info on the meaning of the name, how it got to Fermanagh, etc,. the same sort of thing you might find in The Book of Ulster Surnames or the like. There is an index to individual names as they occur in history. For instance, the persons who were arrested for The Macken Fight are all indexed, as are local characters such as Dominick Noone, the highwayman. However, it does NOT contain detailed genealogies. If you are descended from the Archdales or the Coles, you may find details of your line (but their genealogies are found in far more detail elsewhere), but odds are high against the rest of us. However, that said, it is still a valuable resource. It is valuable in that it provides local history that you will not find in more general books. There is a chapter devoted to the conditions in Fermanagh prior to and during the Famine, for instance. It also has some useful maps. I bought it twenty years ago and have never been sorry. Janet C-S

I kept information about where to obtain the Fermanagh Story and may order it. Can anyone tell me briefly what kinds of things are contained--are there real specific family data and records? I thought perhaps it was more narrative history, and very general. Sarah Sheffield

Sarah, I think that MacGuiresbridge was site of a battle. Don't know the year. Maybe someone on the list can comment. It would probably be in the "Fermanagh Story" or "Trimble's History of Enniskillen". I have only seen the 1630 Muster Rolls...don't know about other Muster Rolls. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Naberssj@aol.com [mailto:Naberssj@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:34 AM To: CARV22@lmpsil02.comm.mot.com Subject: Re: McGrew and Neighbours In a message dated 3/31/99 10:19:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, CARV22@lmpsil02.comm.mot.com writes: << According to the Muster Rolls County Fermanagh of 1630, no McGrews, Finleys or Neighbours were mentioned. There was a Michael Dixon with Sword and Pike. This list was included in W.C. Trimble's History of Enniskillen. I haven't seen too many other records of this period >> Bill, Thanks for this information. Curious, I would have thought the McGrews would show up. I have 1668 as Robt. McGrew birthdate and place being MacGuiresbridge, though this comes from another researcher, not primary research. When would next Muster Roll be taken? (I assume this is comparable to census?) The McGrews show up in Pennsylvania in 1724, where Robt. is buried. Thanks agian, Sarah

For those Fermanagh families that emigrated to Australia, there is on-line Birth, Marriage and Death Record information now available for a short time. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Kirke [mailto:mjkirke@accessin.com.au] <mailto:[mailto:mjkirke@accessin.com.au]> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 9:38 AM To: MCBRIEN-L@rootsweb.com <mailto:MCBRIEN-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: NSW BMD index on line over Easter The URL in my last message seems to fail from time to time. This one seems to work better, although the site can be slow. http://203.111.111.75/cgi-bin/bdm?form=indexes <http://203.111.111.75/cgi-bin/bdm?form=indexes> Mike -----Original Message----- From: Mike Kirke <mjkirke@accessin.com.au <mailto:mjkirke@accessin.com.au> > To: McBrien List <MCBRIEN-L@rootsweb.com <mailto:MCBRIEN-L@rootsweb.com> >; Ayrshire Mail List <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com <mailto:AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, 1 April 1999 22:13 Subject: NSW BMD index on line over Easter >Hi to all, > >We have a double bonus over Easter, not only is the LDS site up and running >(if you can get on), but the State of New South Wales in Australia has most >of its BMD registration indexes on line for a trial period over Easter as >well. See the announcement below from the MacBeth's Newsletter. So for >those of you who may have had ancestors move to NSW in Australia, here is a >chance to look for them, online, free of charge !!!! > >Good luck and happy Easter >Mike Kirke > >8<---------- Snip ------------ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >- NSW Birth, Death and Marriages online for a trial period FREE > >For Easter, the State of New South Wales (NSW) has on the net >the indexes for births to 1918 and the deaths and marriages up >to 1945 on the web. The indexes are up on a trial basis after >which my guess is they will charge for access. > >To search you must choose an event, type in the surname, and >chose a ten year period to search. Remember the years you can >search are 1788 - 1918 for baptisms and births; and 1788 - 1945 >for burials, deaths and marriages. Civil registration >commenced in the State of NSW in 1856. > >The site is at: > http://www.agd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/bdm.exe?form=indexes <http://www.agd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/bdm.exe?form=indexes> > >

Has anyone ever heard of Hastings manor, Holy Well, or Straabane County near Tyrone? My g g g g g g g g grandfather was supposedly from there...John Baird/Beard that married a Rebecca and they had a son named Robert and a Thomas Baird.....John had two homes, acreage near these points in Ireland...wondered in anyone had any info....he sold them in 1738

Hello again to all, According to the information on this page - http://www.agd.nsw.gov.au/bdm/what14.html the NSW (Australia) BDM Indexes will be (back ?) on-line as of 12 noon TODAY (Ist April,1999). Lets hope the free trial is still on. So hang in there folks .... and keep trying !! Diane P. Sydney, NSW, Australia.

Sarah, Our earliest McGrew was born in 1755 and died in Clinton Co. Ohio. None of his children were named Robert ( after an ancestor). He had sons, Alexander, Charles, William, John, James and daughters Nancy, Jane, Polly and Isabell. William married Anna McVey and they had children Issac Wilson, John, William Harve and Jasper (Andrew) and daughters Clarissa Ann, Mary Jane, Rachel and Rebecca. They lived in Ohio but later about half of them moved to Mercer co. Missouri. Sound familiar to anyone? Joyce

Is anyone doing research on McGrew family, especially linking to Robert McGrew b 1668 married to Isabella (Finley or Dickson) and emigrated to US in about 1724? Also looking for Abraham Neighbours b. 1694 (but not certain of which co.) but would still like to know about Neighbours in Co. Tyrone. Sarah Sheffield

Hello List members, just found the long hunted for obit from 1913. My William McMahon may have joined the Methodist Church before leaving Ireland in 1848. We had thought they became Methodists in Canada. In 1846 married Church of Ireland, by Fall of 1848 apparently Methodist or some other faith considered 'unorthodox'. I have been searching solely Church of Ireland records, any one know how best to start researching Methodist records in Fermanagh? It gets confusing in Canada as they were methodist, then Presbyterian, and even Baptist over the next 60 years. Thank you for your time and help. I guess I can start searching all over again for my missing baptismal records. sincerely, Joy Irene from almost Spring in Saskatchewan. Want a new car and don't like making car payments. Check out http://www.freecarpayments.com/2559/bonus.htm

Good Morning: just another word about the book "The Fermanagh Story" by Father Peadar Livingstone. I have, over the past few years, getting copies from Fred Hanna's Bookshop in Dublin (fred@hannas.ie). I have an order in for 12 more copies but he does not expect a resupply until April. The books come from L.W.N. Hall Booksellers in Enniskillen. They can be purchased there. I have had no luck at all in having Hall make shipments this is why I go to Fred Hanna who is much more reliable but if a person is in the area of Enniskillen they could pick a copy up at Hall's. I have a very special interest in this publication as my two brothers and I are mentioned on page 116 as the last living descendants of the Junior or Tempo Line of Maguire's of Fermanagh descending from Hugh Maguire II, last ruling Prince of Fermanagh. It also lists my father, my grandfather, his 11 brothers and sisters and continues on back to the start of the Junior Line in 1400. A wonderful book. SINCERELY, Robert Charles Maguire Charleston, South Carolina Web Site: "Robert Maguire of the Junior Line" http://www.cris.com/~Maguire/Robert.html

Could someone please help me, I have a photo that has the following written on it.does anyone know of this place and people,it was taken before 1950 in Lisnaskea. 'To Alice from Mary, this snap is Florrie Mc.Aloon? of Maquires. She is married to Mr. Casey, he has the Medical Hall in Lisnaskea. Would it be hard to look-up details on this medical Hall and who owned it. from Belinda.

Two Fermanagh family surname lists have been added to RootsWeb. They are: DUNDAS-L MCBRIEN-L Also, Ross Beattie of Australia has set up an exellent McBrien Genealogy Page at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/2283/families/mcbrien.html <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/2283/families/mcbrien.html> These families were present in Enniskillen, Benmore, Churchill, Derrygonnelly, Roscor, Tiranagher, Drumcrow, Bolusty, Callagheen, Ardees and Slavin townlands in the Parishes of Inishmacsaint and Devenish during the 1600-1900 period. Bill Barber

Yes, Fred Hannas told me Fermanagh Story is out of print but will be reprinted and available in April. They will take your order and ship when available.

Is anyone able to tell me about the Holy Well or Hastings Manor near Straabane County?? A John Baird married to Rebecca must have lived there prior to 1738 because Rebecca came from the U.S. to Ireland to sell the land for her husband back in America also....Anyone with any info let me know.....Any Bairds from this part of Tyrone please email me!

The full reference for this book is as follows. The Fermanagh Story, by Pedar Livingstone, 1969.. A similar useful book is Prospect of Fermanagh, by Mary Rogers, Watergate Press Enniskillen 1982. I believe that the Fermanagh Story was republished a couple of years ago and it should be available form any good bookshop. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Zimmerman <gzimmer@millcomm.com> To: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 28 March 1999 13:50 Subject: Re: THE FERMANAGH STORY >Ruth, yes, I got it while I was in Dublin this past summer. I purchased >from Fred Hanna's book store in Dublin.. http://www.hannas.ie > >At 03:37 PM 3/28/99 +1000, you wrote: >>Has anyone been able to obtain the book "The Fermanagh Story" as yet, and >>where it was purchased from? >> >>Ruth Farmer >> >> >

Hello listers: In an article by Rev O Gallachair in the Clogher Journal (1959) which lists Catholics who took an oath of loyalty, the author states "To avail of the provisions of the Catholic Relief Acts, from1778 [a Catholic] had to take an act of loyalty at the assizes in the county town." My question is, can someone explain what the Catholic Relief Acts were? Thanks, Janet C-S

Hello all: I thought I would pass along some interesting info I recently learned. This is from the records of the Society of Jesus (Jesuits) in the US for a man who emigrated from Devenish parish, Fermanagh to join the Jesuits in the US. This man was born in 1807, and emigrated in 1833. His records state that "He began the study of Latin at 14 and completed these and greek studies in about six years. He has not been instructed in logic or other higher sciences except the rudiments of geometry. He has never taught. He is not skilled in mechanical arts*...He always studied with Catholic teachers....Besides Latin and Greek he knows Gaelic as it is taught in the schools--the language of Ireland. He holds no degree in letters and is not in the clerical state." (*By mechanical arts, my translator figures it meant he was not a carpenter or mason, or the like.) I know there was a school in the townland of Aghakeeran where he was from, so I assume that is where he went. But this was before the National Schools were started, and when he was a boy, Ireland was barely out of the Penal times. So it is interesting to see that some people could and did get an education, even including Latin and Greek. Janet C-S