> For example, when you try a Custom Search the Film number 538447 covers > Drumkeeran in Fermanagh. Typing in a surname with this Film no. can produce > a lot of births/christenings and marriages. I have found the custom search > the only way to trawl through the records particularly if you always get 200 > matches - you know then for sure that you haven't got all the names! It's > also worth trying the next film/batch number if you notice you only seem to > have part of an alphabetical list. > > I have also found that when you get a batch no. starting with C > (birth/christening) that if you change the C for a M it will often return > the marriages on the same Film number. > > What does anyone else think about exchanging batch and film numbers? > > Jan Hart Hello Jan., I know that when you look up "Family History Library Catalog" under "Custom Search" and type in the relevant town/parish or county (especially for Scotland) you can find the parish number (usually three digits) which you can substute in the batch no. for the parishs that you want to find . i.e. for Dalry, Renfrewshire in Scotland it would be batch No. 11587 then a 1,2,3 etc for the period that is being searched (not be able to work out a pattern for the last digit yet) and for Erskine in Scotland it would be 11563 then a 1, 2, 3, etc, before the numbers you would put a C or B or M or D depending what it is you want to find, the seems to work well on the Scottish parishes, I have not examined many of the Irish parishes as of yet apart from Enniskillen/Ederny which 701282 & 701287 seem to work for me? Let me know if you find any difference is this or even a better way of finding the parish numbering. Stan Researching the following names., scotland AITKEN. CAMPBELL. RITCHIE. SCOTT. KEAN. england CURLE. GIBBS. TAYLOR. WESTLAKE. HOCKEY ireland MONAGHAN. McCUTCHEON these are only the main names lots more attatched to this

----- Original Message ----- From: Jerrian D Barsness <jdbs@uslink.net> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 15 May 1999 16:03 Subject: Monaghan > As far as I know, there isn't one, or I would be on it. :0) Jerrian > Jerrian., There isn't one what? Stan

I have had many enquiries asking me about names in Burke's Irish Family Records. I have responded where I can to each enquiry. As this raised some interest, I took time out to list all the surnames included in the book and you can view them at http://members.tripod.com/Jan_Hart/ifr.htm Hopefully this will provide some reference material for you. Jan Hart

Hi, I am new to this list and am seeking information on my Great Grandfather, Peter Curry, A.K.A. O'Currie, Currie. I know through family hearsay that he was born on a farm in County Fermanagh June 29, 1858 to Peter Curry (O'Currie, Currie) and Margaret Burns or Byrnes. They emigrated to Scotland when He as a teen. He married Agnes Smith in Glasgow Scotland in 1884. Can anyone lead me to some useful resources in Fermanagh? Thank you. Helen A. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com

Here is a url which lists some articles in the Clogher Record, published by Clogher Historical Society: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tbreen/Journals/Clogher.html Janet C-S

OOps! sorry about that! Forgot to paste in the url: RC Churches in the diocese of Clogher (Fermanagh, Monaghan Tyrone) http://www.exis.net/ahd/monaghan/clogher-churches.htm Janet C-S

I just found this web page which lists all the RC churches in the Diocese of Clogher (Most of Clogher is in Monaghan and Fermanagh.) Janet C-S

Yes, LDS has films of the 1901 census for Fermanagh. Magheraculmoney Parish is on (at least) films #0836120-21-22. Villages in the parish are listed alpha; #0836120 starts with Drumkeeran, Drumrush and Ederny through Kesh. NOTE: this film includes two sections so when it says "End of Roll," DON'T stop and rewind -- there's more! #0836121 includes Lack and Magher. I'm not sure what's on #0836122 because it was farther down the alphabet than I needed -- but I noted that it was poor quality and hard to read. Don't know if that was in the original photography or later. I was surprised that the LDS computer that located parish record films didn't list the townlands on each film -- so I had to rent all 3 tapes for the parish when the townland I was looking for was on only one of them. Hope this helps somebody.

In a message dated 5/15/99 10:36:40 PM, mfish@pacbell.net wrote: <<Is it true there is a 1901 Census of Fermanagh available for order from the Family History Centre?>> Yes, and certain counties of the 1911 are also available. They are working on making all of the 1911 available and have only got so far....don't think Fermanagh is one ready yet, Janet C-S

In response to Karin: I did get one death returned - but I can't put my hands on the informaton at the moment. It showed up when I was searching a surname only, no date. Possibly its a transcription error. I assume this site with input by hundreds of volunteers is down to how accurately they type the info! Another surprise was a birth of someone in Antrim in 1929 - that was astonishing enough - but the same person's marriage in 1945 showed up as well! This wasn't a name in my line but came up on a general surname search. I would have assumed there was a cutoff before 1900 or something. I have had some success with Film nos. The easy ones are where you get Film no. only. But I also discovered that if you inadvertantly leave a space character after the film no.it can invalidate the number! I use cut and paste to ensure accuracy - but the copied number usually includes a space after the number. Its worth removing this before hitting the Search button. If you get a sheet number and a Film no. I tried adding this sheet number after the Film number and had some success! But as for Film no. Sheet and Batch no. altogether - I have no idea. I didn't find the Help files at all helpful. If someone else has fathomed it out it would be very helpful. Another thing I have tried: search a place name in the new Library section - occasionally you get reference in the Notes showing a Film number. I struck lucky with one film. But I suppose until all the info is live on site, this is a bit hit and miss. I read in another newsgroup that someone was suggesting a range of years in which to search an event. This would help a lot too! Having said all this - I am not knocking the site - it has to be one of the quickest search facilities I have come across on the net. Can't think of any more tips at the moment - how is everyone else getting on? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Karin Endemann <keystone@magi.com> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 16 May 1999 10:13 Subject: Re: LDS SITE > I agree re the LDS site - not the easiest thing to sort out. > > I have been spending lots of time sorting out the "random" ordering of the > film and batch numbers - I have now made a list of some of Scotland. > However, Ireland does not appear to be presented in the same way. They have > not, for example put all of their information up on line yet (this I know > for a fact)and the Irish data is by far the most limited. They have not > sorted the data by towns or counties either (Ireland). This would certainly > make things easier. > > I would be happy to share my list of the Scottish towns and areas and If > anyone can resolve the puzzle of Ireland I would be thrilled ! So far, it > appears that counties are all muddled together on batch sets. > > I presume you have figured out that if you ONLY put in the FULL name of > both the parents you get the listing of the children....this is helpful as > they are not always born in the same place. Only problem is that the > listing is not complete _ I have found other children in other places which > do not show up in this type of request. > > I have also found that the only way to get better information is to search > by batch number. The numbers all start at - for example - C112821 (Dundee) > and go to C112829 (in other words 1-9). Each section appears to be > separated groupings of years. Altho there is absolutely no consistency in > the year groupings between towns !!! I have now come to the conclusion that > whoever is setting this up is doing it randomly ! In some cases you can > change the last TWO numbers and have success ie C112831-9 C112841-9 etc > but not in all cases. > > I have even considered writing to the LDS and asking them to put up the > listing of their batch numbers by towns etc - but the last time I tried to > email them, I had no success. Have you had any reponse from them ? > > I would also like to know when they intend to put on the rest of their data > (notably Ireland). Does anyone have any information on this ? > > I would also like to know when they will put on the capability of > separating geographic areas - England from Scotland etc. Especially re > North America = I have given up searching there as all I get is USA and I > just want Canada ! Also the Canada data is terrible ! > > I have also figured out that when you ask for a person without a date in > the birth or marriage (which are the only two which work at the moment) > that the presentation is by father's name in alphabetical order - so if > there are alot of people with that name you will only get the fathers A to > H for example. The only way to find a person otherwise is to ask for data > by year - this is very very tedious but yields better results. > > You noted that you have had success with the film numbers - I have never > had anything show up using that - how did you manage it ? I shall have to > try again. > > I have never seen a death yet - have you ? I guess this search capability > is not working. > > Hope this helps. Love to share with anyone who can help simplify this :) > > Karin in Canada > > > > At 08:19 16-05-99 +0100, you wrote: > >I have managed to collect a lot of information about various familes through > >the LDS site. I wondered if anyone else thought it might be a good idea to > >share source information? > > > >For example, when you try a Custom Search the Film number 538447 covers > >Drumkeeran in Fermanagh. Typing in a surname with this Film no. can produce > >a lot of births/christenings and marriages. I have found the custom search > >the only way to trawl through the records particularly if you always get 200 > >matches - you know then for sure that you haven't got all the names! It's > >also worth trying the next film/batch number if you notice you only seem to > >have part of an alphabetical list. > > > > I have also found that when you get a batch no. starting with C > >(birth/christening) that if you change the C for a M it will often return > >the marriages on the same Film number. > > > >What does anyone else think about exchanging batch and film numbers? > > > >Jan Hart > > > > > > > > > > >

I agree re the LDS site - not the easiest thing to sort out. I have been spending lots of time sorting out the "random" ordering of the film and batch numbers - I have now made a list of some of Scotland. However, Ireland does not appear to be presented in the same way. They have not, for example put all of their information up on line yet (this I know for a fact)and the Irish data is by far the most limited. They have not sorted the data by towns or counties either (Ireland). This would certainly make things easier. I would be happy to share my list of the Scottish towns and areas and If anyone can resolve the puzzle of Ireland I would be thrilled ! So far, it appears that counties are all muddled together on batch sets. I presume you have figured out that if you ONLY put in the FULL name of both the parents you get the listing of the children....this is helpful as they are not always born in the same place. Only problem is that the listing is not complete _ I have found other children in other places which do not show up in this type of request. I have also found that the only way to get better information is to search by batch number. The numbers all start at - for example - C112821 (Dundee) and go to C112829 (in other words 1-9). Each section appears to be separated groupings of years. Altho there is absolutely no consistency in the year groupings between towns !!! I have now come to the conclusion that whoever is setting this up is doing it randomly ! In some cases you can change the last TWO numbers and have success ie C112831-9 C112841-9 etc but not in all cases. I have even considered writing to the LDS and asking them to put up the listing of their batch numbers by towns etc - but the last time I tried to email them, I had no success. Have you had any reponse from them ? I would also like to know when they intend to put on the rest of their data (notably Ireland). Does anyone have any information on this ? I would also like to know when they will put on the capability of separating geographic areas - England from Scotland etc. Especially re North America = I have given up searching there as all I get is USA and I just want Canada ! Also the Canada data is terrible ! I have also figured out that when you ask for a person without a date in the birth or marriage (which are the only two which work at the moment) that the presentation is by father's name in alphabetical order - so if there are alot of people with that name you will only get the fathers A to H for example. The only way to find a person otherwise is to ask for data by year - this is very very tedious but yields better results. You noted that you have had success with the film numbers - I have never had anything show up using that - how did you manage it ? I shall have to try again. I have never seen a death yet - have you ? I guess this search capability is not working. Hope this helps. Love to share with anyone who can help simplify this :) Karin in Canada At 08:19 16-05-99 +0100, you wrote: >I have managed to collect a lot of information about various familes through >the LDS site. I wondered if anyone else thought it might be a good idea to >share source information? > >For example, when you try a Custom Search the Film number 538447 covers >Drumkeeran in Fermanagh. Typing in a surname with this Film no. can produce >a lot of births/christenings and marriages. I have found the custom search >the only way to trawl through the records particularly if you always get 200 >matches - you know then for sure that you haven't got all the names! It's >also worth trying the next film/batch number if you notice you only seem to >have part of an alphabetical list. > > I have also found that when you get a batch no. starting with C >(birth/christening) that if you change the C for a M it will often return >the marriages on the same Film number. > >What does anyone else think about exchanging batch and film numbers? > >Jan Hart > > > > >

I have managed to collect a lot of information about various familes through the LDS site. I wondered if anyone else thought it might be a good idea to share source information? For example, when you try a Custom Search the Film number 538447 covers Drumkeeran in Fermanagh. Typing in a surname with this Film no. can produce a lot of births/christenings and marriages. I have found the custom search the only way to trawl through the records particularly if you always get 200 matches - you know then for sure that you haven't got all the names! It's also worth trying the next film/batch number if you notice you only seem to have part of an alphabetical list. I have also found that when you get a batch no. starting with C (birth/christening) that if you change the C for a M it will often return the marriages on the same Film number. What does anyone else think about exchanging batch and film numbers? Jan Hart

Is it true there is a 1901 Census of Fermanagh available for order from the Family History Centre? Marjorie

I have been able to borrow the 1976 edition of Burkes from my local library so if anyone wants me to look up anything I am happy to do so. It is actually overdue so I won't be hanging on to it much longer so I will accept any requests for the next 3-4 days. Hoping it may help someone Jan Hart

Hi: I am trying to research my McNamee family. The problem is I have no idea where in Ireland they came from. Looking for John MCNAMEE born December 1849 and married Bridget Kennedy Morrisey around 1870. She was born May 1850. She had been married to a MORRISEY and two children by him. The MCNAMEES left Ireland and went to England in 1876. The story goes my grandfather was born on the ferry to England. They then emigrated from England to the USA in 1888. There were five children that I know of Thomas born abt 1872 Mary born about 1873 John born abt 1874 Daniel born 1876 Bridget born 1881, I think she died in England as I can find no evidence of her ecept her birth record. If any one can help me in any way I would greatly appreciate it. Thanking you in advance and crossing all fingers and toes Peggyjayne McNamee New Jersey, USA

I'm looking for the marriage of John Dillon and Ann Birnie McNulty. Ann's reported first marriage was to a Patrick McNulty. She had at least one son Patrick b. abt 1846 by him maybe others also. She married John Dillon in Co Fermanagh in May of 1848 or 9. His parents were possibly John Dillon and Marie. They are all in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland by 1859. By 1868 or later Ann and children are in the United States. John may or may not have come with them. John and Marie are still in Glasgow in the 1871 census. 1880 finds Ann and children in Dubuque, Dubuque Co. Iowa. She is listed as widow. Any knowledge of this line please contact. Marilyn Salem, OR

Does anyone have easy access to the 1901 census for Co. FERMANAGH that could do a look-up for me? I know the parish , townland, and name(s). If so, please contact me privately. I know I can get it through my FHC, but I can't get there for a while to order it. Thanks, Janet C-S

As far as I know, there isn't one, or I would be on it. :0) Jerrian

Hi Listers, Does anyone have information that describes or provides a glimpse of history about Cushwash Mills,Lisnaskea. Thanks, Jim Swindell

HI, George Herbert Ferguson, B:10 May 1819, Co. Monaghan. Anne Hall, B: 28 March 1819(25), Co. Monaghan. They were married 1 January 1844(5) Co. FERMANAGH. Anne's parents were John Hall and Jane Bailey. George's parents were James Ferguson and Margot Huss. They came to America in the spring of 1847. I would like to find out more about George's and Anne's families in Ireland, and where exactly in Monaghan and Fermanagh they came from. Thanks, Jerrian