Hello again group. My family tradition has always said that I had an ancestor that fought with William of Orange at the Boyne and was awarded land for doing so. Would there of been any land in Fermanagh that would of been awarded? If so, how would I go about lookig into it? Thanks again. Brian Mavity

Hello every one, I am new this list . One of my ancestors was the REV JAMES KIRKWOOD. He was the Kings curate in SANQUHAR ,SCOTLAND at the time of the convenators .There are many stories written about James and his kindness towards the convenantors . According to books I have read about James is that he came from Ireland . One of the stories states that he returned to his native Ireland and became Rector of Magheracross and Prebend of Kelsekeery in March 1692/93 in the county of a Fermanagh in Ireland until about 1704 One of James grandsons was George Kirkwood who became a well know goldsmith of the 18th Century in Dublin Does any one know any thing more about JAMES and his family ,when he died or any thing about GEORGE . Many Thanks Tina Tina@brownlove.freeserve.co.uk

----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Evans-GRAPHICS <richard.evans.01@bbc.co.uk> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: May 27, 1999 8:56 AM Subject: Ports of Departure > Brian > > Have a look at > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/5327/shiplists.htm > > I'm sure there is a search engine (somewhere among the 100's of URL's above) > which lists people who left from a particular area. > > Richard Richard, The correct URL is http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/5327/shiplists.html Note the extension is html not htm. Yours aye, John

In a message dated 5/27/99 11:34:35 AM, Mickpiper@earthlink.net wrote: <<If my ancestors lived in Fermanagh in 1750, where would they have gone to jump on a ship to America? >> I'm not sure what county my GPs were from, but in 1846, my GGGF left from Liverpool. In 1849, my GGGM and kids also left from Liverpool. Both bound for NYC Bob Cassidy in Denver

In a message dated 5/27/99 11:34:35 AM, Mickpiper@earthlink.net wrote: <<If my ancestors lived in Fermanagh in 1750, where would they have gone to jump on a ship to America? >> Don't know about 1750, but one of mine left from Belfast in 1833. Janet C-S

The following stats are published in "Irish Emigration and Canadian Settlement" by Houston and Smyth and cites two sources, "Ulster Emigration to Colonial America, 1717-1775 "(Belfast 1966) by RJ Dickson and, Some Aspects of Emigration from Ireland to the North American Colonies," MLitt Thesis, Trinity College, Dublin, 1971. by Audrey Lockhart.Number of ships sailing between 1750 and 1775 from Ireland to North America. Belfast approx. 150 Dublin 150 Derry 125 Newry 70 Larne 60 Cork 35 Coleraine 25 Limerick 18 Galway 14 Sligo 10 Waterford <10 Newport <5 Killala <5 Dundalk <5 Also from Houston and Smyth. " Their data was assembled originally from newspaper reports and probably underestimates the volume of shipping. ... The data does not include emigration from the Southeast of Ireland to Newfoundland." "... the major ports of embarkation were Dublin and the Ulster ports of Derry, Belfast and Newry, the latter three ports linked to the middle colonies of America by, among other things, Ulster's demand for flax seed. The emigrants went out to America on the returning flax seed ships."

Hello again. Am I glad I found you folks. Thank you to everybody that gave me help on the "points of departure" question I had. I just received my paid research back from the "Ulster Historical Foundation" and as I figured, didn't narrow my ancestors down to well. My question is to you folks is: Does anybody have any information on a marriage between Robert Mavity (could of been spelled Mavitty, McVitty etc...) to a Margaret Morton sometime around 1745? They had a son named William in 1747. As far as the point of departure is concerned, regarding the time frame I believe most of the folks from N. Ireland came from Londenderry or Belfast, although somebody did mention Sligo as a possibility and probably entered America in Philadelphia, only to migrate down to Virginia with the last wave of Ulster-Scot's in 1760 or so. I will concentrate on the American records that I can find with all your help on the 'net'. Thanks again. Brian Mavity

Got CASSIDY roots? Come visit our Cassidy Clan website at http://www.CassidyClan.org Read about the Clan Rally to be held Aug 20--22nd in Enniskillen, County Fermanagh--only a few miles from Ballycassidy, the ancestral townland of all Cassidys. View pictures of beautiful Fermanagh. Read about some interesting Cassidys. Visit out gift shop where we are selling Fermanagh crystal. Check out out new, but growing site with Cassidy genealogical info. See you there! Janet Cassidy-Stroh

Searching for information on the family of Veech from Enniskillen, Ireland. My g-grandfather was Andrew born 1875, and may have had brothers, James born Aug. 1873; John Veech born Nov. 1860. All resided in Passaic, New Jersey in 1900 together. May have immigrated through Canada. My g-grandmother was Sarah Duffey, also from Ireland, possibly Mayo County. She had two brothers also, John & James. Thank you!

In a message dated 5/24/99 7:39:10 AM, bears@one.net.au wrote: <<As a LDS I have provided information for the IGI that I may not be 100% sure of, but there are reasons for this that only other LDS will understand. The IGI was never meant primarily as a tool for geneology, but is a fantastic resource for this purpose. Look it up on the IGI and then try to verify it.>> Helen, I am not a LDS, but I have had wonderful experiences with being helped by them. The ones I have met at my local FHC are really terrific people, and I am very grateful that the church makes the vast resources of their library available to non-LDS people at such a reasonable fee. I DO understand why the some of the information is in the Ancestral File and the IGI that is only guessed at. I know what the point of it is. However, I think that too many people who are now just getting into genealogy, many of whom have never been to a FHC, but who are now accessing the IGI ONLY over the internet, are apt to misunderstand it and take everything as fact without verifying. I think this was a danger before the internet, but now it is even more so, so people who are using it for genealogy need to be reminded that it is not a primary source and it is not guaranteed accurate. You said it well: "The IGI was never meant primarily as a tool for geneology, but is a fantastic resource for this purpose. Look it up on the IGI and then try to verify it." Thanks for emphasing that. Janet C-S

Hello, I am researching the names Currie, Curry, O'Currie. First name Peter, married to Margaret Burns during the 1800's. Would appreciate some help locating information on this surname in the County Fermanagh. I know that he owned a farm before he left for Scotland. Thank you in advance. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com

Hello. I am researching my family and I have two families of my ancestors who migrated to Australia. I am interested in finding any information I can about them. lst. Bernard McDonagh. b.abt 1802. Wife, Mable (Morrison).b.abt.1806. Migrated to Sydney, Australia aboard the ship 'Anne Milne'. They were accompanied by their three children. Edward. born 13.6.1834. Owen born 5.8.1836, and James born 4.10 1840. All indicated they were born in Fermanagh. Bernard died at sea on the 22 Sept 1841 on the way to Australia. Bernard was bountied to work for Robert Horne & Co., Sydney. 2nd Bernard McGee (Macgee)b. abt 1824. Wife, Sarah (McGrory) b. abt 1826. Migrated to Sydney, Australia on the ship 'Alfrede' from Liverpool on 8 Oct 1859, arriving in Sydney on 6 Jan 1860. They were accompanied by their children, Anne 10 old, Mary Jane 8 old, Eliza 6 old, Sarah 18 months. Sidney (female) born at sea on the journey. They also had with them a niece, Margaret Duffy, 18 months old. They all indicated they were born in Fermanagh and were Roman Catholic. Any information would be appreciated. regards John Hakes Maitland. NSW. Australia.

I am a proud Latter Day Saint. I have used the FHC for years and admire ALL the people who volunteer in these centres. <loud cheers>. In all Family History we should foremost keep in mind that the information we look at is provided by people who sometimes are not sure of dates etc. I have a comprehensive family history done by Catholic priests who omitted children born out of wedlock, or born less than 9 months after marriage. (Talk about censorship). As a LDS I have provided information for the IGI that I may not be 100% sure of, but there are reasons for this that only other LDS will understand. The IGI was never meant primarily as a tool for geneology, but is a fantastic resource for this purpose. Look it up on the IGI and then try to verify it. Helen in beautiful Brisbane Australia

Maguiresbridge is a small place! Simply write to the parish Priest. St Mary's Church, Maguiresbridge, Co Fermanagh, N Ireland. -----Original Message----- From: C&F Kopser <cdfemma@email.msn.com> To: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 21 May 1999 11:21 Subject: Re:Address in Maguiresbridge >Could anyone please send me the address of St. Mary's Church, >Maguiresbridge, Aghalurcher, Fermanagh. Send to cdfemma@msn.com. >Carole Kopser > > >

Could anyone please send me the address of St. Mary's Church, Maguiresbridge, Aghalurcher, Fermanagh. Send to cdfemma@msn.com. Carole Kopser

William I REALLY think you have made a mistake - we are NOT talking about the family history centers nor the wonderful volunteers, nor the IGI itself we ARE talking about HOW to use the new IGI on-line system and nothing more. Personally I think it is the best thing since sliced bread and use it daily but there are people who are having problems understanding how to control the parameters and that is what we have been discussing. We never meant to denegrate the LDS nor their work, volunteers or IGI Hope this cleared things up for you Karin At 09:09 20-05-99 +0100, you wrote: >The publication " International Genealogical Index" (on compact disk) is >availiable at all LDS Family History Centers. Among the subjects covered: > >1. What is the index. >2. How the index can help you. >3. Getting started. >4. Selecting the region. >5. Selecting the type of search. >6. Entering the ancestor's name. >7. Searching for information. >8. Printing/copying this information. > > It even shows samples of what you might find. > > I would like to repeat a statement I have made earlier as a county Host; >The majority of the volunteers at the LDS Family History centers are there >to help. They are not experts, They arer learning by doing,. I pose this >question to all who use thier facilities: If you volunteered for just one >week and had to help people to find information on someone you don"t know, >Never been to the places they are asking about, failed history in school and >found geography boring, how would you react. It is a challenging task. > > Most of us who are into tracing our ancestors have one, maybe two computer >programs. The persons working at the LDS libraries have Ancestrial Files, >PAF in several versions, Family Search, American Indian Files, and some are >fortunate to have the Family Tree Maker Program. > > Patience is a virtue. Just as we all started out using the computer, Learn >the Library system first, then beguin the quest. It will save you all time, >frustration and energy. I thank you for rreading this before you all hit >the delete key. >William J Flanagan >Fermanagh County Host >Spokane, Wa.,USA > > > > >

I agree with you William that the volunteers at the FHC's do a wonderful job in their volunteering capacity. The points of discussion in which I was involved were solely about the search facilities offered in the on-line LDS site. I am aware that the site is still under test and whilst we are all delighted to have this free facility, I am hopeful that feedback to the LDS will help them to modify the database design so that searches are carried out more easily. I stated in an earlier posting to this list that I think the site is one of the quickest search facilities I have used on the net. As a web designer I am aware of the range of good and bad search engines. Maybe I have been fortunate in discovering a lot about the ways the LDS site works because of my experience generally in using databases. I am also quite new to genealogy and have a lot to learn and gladly acknowledge the help gleaned from not just this list but newsgroups too! So I'm taking this opportunity of thanking everyone for sharing their information - I am learning a lot and happy to give credit where it is due. On a more personal note, I now have to disconnect my computer as I am about to move house. I look forward to catching up with the postings in a couple of days or so. Jan Hart ----- Original Message ----- From: <buddyf@ieway.com> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 20 May 1999 09:09 Subject: IGI Instructions; > The publication " International Genealogical Index" (on compact disk) is > availiable at all LDS Family History Centers. Among the subjects covered: > > 1. What is the index. > 2. How the index can help you. > 3. Getting started. > 4. Selecting the region. > 5. Selecting the type of search. > 6. Entering the ancestor's name. > 7. Searching for information. > 8. Printing/copying this information. > > It even shows samples of what you might find. > > I would like to repeat a statement I have made earlier as a county Host; > The majority of the volunteers at the LDS Family History centers are there > to help. They are not experts, They arer learning by doing,. I pose this > question to all who use thier facilities: If you volunteered for just one > week and had to help people to find information on someone you don"t know, > Never been to the places they are asking about, failed history in school and > found geography boring, how would you react. It is a challenging task. > > Most of us who are into tracing our ancestors have one, maybe two computer > programs. The persons working at the LDS libraries have Ancestrial Files, > PAF in several versions, Family Search, American Indian Files, and some are > fortunate to have the Family Tree Maker Program. > > Patience is a virtue. Just as we all started out using the computer, Learn > the Library system first, then beguin the quest. It will save you all time, > frustration and energy. I thank you for rreading this before you all hit > the delete key. > William J Flanagan > Fermanagh County Host > Spokane, Wa.,USA >

Can anyone tell me where Derries, Randalslough and Killivea are in relation to Monea. I am trying to link families documented from these areas. Thanks Betty Jean Moyle Counsellor Sir Sandford Fleming College (705) 324-9144, ext. 3275

The publication " International Genealogical Index" (on compact disk) is availiable at all LDS Family History Centers. Among the subjects covered: 1. What is the index. 2. How the index can help you. 3. Getting started. 4. Selecting the region. 5. Selecting the type of search. 6. Entering the ancestor's name. 7. Searching for information. 8. Printing/copying this information. It even shows samples of what you might find. I would like to repeat a statement I have made earlier as a county Host; The majority of the volunteers at the LDS Family History centers are there to help. They are not experts, They arer learning by doing,. I pose this question to all who use thier facilities: If you volunteered for just one week and had to help people to find information on someone you don"t know, Never been to the places they are asking about, failed history in school and found geography boring, how would you react. It is a challenging task. Most of us who are into tracing our ancestors have one, maybe two computer programs. The persons working at the LDS libraries have Ancestrial Files, PAF in several versions, Family Search, American Indian Files, and some are fortunate to have the Family Tree Maker Program. Patience is a virtue. Just as we all started out using the computer, Learn the Library system first, then beguin the quest. It will save you all time, frustration and energy. I thank you for rreading this before you all hit the delete key. William J Flanagan Fermanagh County Host Spokane, Wa.,USA

Thanks for the compliment Janet - but I could do with some patient help from sks too! Can anyone explain how to use the IGI when you are given a Film No. Page No. Ref No.? I know how to search a Batch and Sheet No. I know how to search a Film and Sheet No. But the triple source? I just can't figure out what to put in which box to get any results. Any help anyone? Jan Hart ----- Original Message ----- From: <Caiside@aol.com> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 20 May 1999 04:36 Subject: LDS site and IGI > Well, with a liitle help from patient Janhart, I finally learned to use the > LDS search site. I've used the IGI at my FHC, of course, and thought I knew > certain things about it, but suddenly seeing things on my computer screen > made me realize how INACCURATE it can be! > > Before we all assume genealogy heaven has arrived and rush off to write down > everything we see on the IGI as Gospel and Fact, keep in mind it is full of > errors and suppositions. > > Now, I'm not saying it all is, but if you see a death date listed as "about" > that is a big clue that you are NOT looking at an actual record but of > someone's supposition. > Another clue is when a wife's name is entered as Mrs. John Smith instead of > Mary Jones. > > For instance, there is a record listed for a Patt Cassidy of Drumgormly, > Devenish Parish, Co Fermanagh, which is based on a pension claim, which > itself was based on a transcript of the 1851 census. The head of the house > was Patt Cassidy, and he was listed as a widower, his marriage date given as > 1809. (I know because I have looked at the actual transcript at PRONI.) > This same info appears in the IGI, and it MAY be true, but what you are > looking at in the IGI is not the primary record!! And certainly to list a > female in the IGI as Mrs. Patt Cassidy, based on this record, is not telling > us a whole lot! > > So please keep this in mind as you use the IGI and other search engines on > the LDS site. The info is NOT itself primary source material. In many cases > it is not even a copy of primary source material but a copy of a copy, or > even someone's leap of imagination. SO you may find something interesting, > but then you must go find the original source before believing it. > > Just a word of caution.... > > Janet C-S >