Dear friends, May I humbly suggset that we be very careful now not to get into a debate on religion on this list. I have seen it cause havoc on other lists. In addition, considering the current political /social situation in NI, let's just all say prayers for peace and tolerance. And may the God who loves all of us hear and answer them. Thanks for reading this, and if you want to comment, it's probably best to do it privately and not on the list. Thanks, Janet C-S

Jane, I would like to thank you for all of the information that you do provide. If I don't like it or if I don't want to read it, I simply use that cute little delete button. Keep up the good work, I for one truly appreciate it. Lisa ************************************************************************** Researching: CALLAHAN, MEEHAN, GREGORY, FADNESS, DRISCOLL, MUNDERLOH, MILVERSTED *************************************************************************** Distributor for Hullachan-Pro Irish Dance shoes www.gurlpages.com/art/celtic1/index.html celtic1@gurlmail.com wbit@email.msn.com *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane O'Brien <jayohbee@iol.ie> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 1:14 PM Subject: My recent Posts > First of all I would like to thank those of you who came to my aid or > commisserated with me on the loss of all my mail a week or so ago. Too many > replied to that post to be able to get back to you all...... > > So, thank you. > > > Secondly: My posts re the religions over the last few days. > > I am not a 'half Catholic or a good Prod" and I do not post rubbish. > > Those recent posts were not made with the intention of running down any > religion in this country. Neither were they made for the good of my health > or because I have a notion that you should all be educated on other > religions. > > I began this series of posts for two reasons. The first being my usual > inclination to try and explain the various divisions of Ireland and how > records may be found in one place when you think you should be looking in > another, and the second being that there are many people whose ancestors > converted from one religion to another and again this ties in with our > divisions and parochial boundaries... > > My belief is that what i have posted is related to genealogy, because if you > don't know where you should be looking in records then how can you find > people? You can't just throw a name at a list and hope to God that some > person will suddenly jump up and say I have them in my tree...and what good > is that to you if you can't find the roots, but do find lots of branches and > twigs. > > While the posts over the last few days have been general they were leading > up to a more detailed breakdown of divisions, the names of parishes and > congregations as per county and more importantly the changes in these names > after a gap of about 100 years and the increase or decrease absence of > parishes and congregations after this time. > > While my general posts were sent to a number of lists as they were finished, > the individual county posts can only be done at a certain pace and even at > that it will take more than one day to do each county, including whatever > information I have for each religion in that county. > > I have been thrown off lists in the past and I have been asked not to post > to certain lists because what i do is 'general' and not pertinent to > particular counties, areas. I know that i get asked if posts of mine can be > included on web pages, in newsletters, forwarded to other newsgroups. I > also know that there are others whoh do this without asking me first. i know > that there are those well wishers on any general list who would see a post > which they consider pertinent to another list and just forward it. > > I would appreciate it greatly if anyone who ever considers forwarding any > post of mine to any other list would ask me first. it may be that the list > is one I have been asked not to post to, and I do not want to offend any > more listowners than necessary. > > Also, it is a very uncomfortable feeling to find yourself being unsubbed > from a list you have already been unsubbed from a long time ago.....you get > to wonder if there are fairies inside your computer. > > Thank you for reading this. > > Jane > >

Searching for family of James Russell McFarland[my GGF]b.1832 probably Fer.married Margaret Jenny Loughridge[of Ballymoney,Finvoy Parish]probably 1865 Emma b 66 & Mary b.68 James died in Pittsburgh 8-19-1869,same month my GF James Jr born A flood wiped out all records.Even LDS cant find the McFarland connection.He has family somewhere can verify he & Margaret were born in N Ireland Any help appreciated,planning a trip over next year Bob McFarland Bbymac19@idt.net THANKS

First of all I would like to thank those of you who came to my aid or commisserated with me on the loss of all my mail a week or so ago. Too many replied to that post to be able to get back to you all...... So, thank you. Secondly: My posts re the religions over the last few days. I am not a 'half Catholic or a good Prod" and I do not post rubbish. Those recent posts were not made with the intention of running down any religion in this country. Neither were they made for the good of my health or because I have a notion that you should all be educated on other religions. I began this series of posts for two reasons. The first being my usual inclination to try and explain the various divisions of Ireland and how records may be found in one place when you think you should be looking in another, and the second being that there are many people whose ancestors converted from one religion to another and again this ties in with our divisions and parochial boundaries... My belief is that what i have posted is related to genealogy, because if you don't know where you should be looking in records then how can you find people? You can't just throw a name at a list and hope to God that some person will suddenly jump up and say I have them in my tree...and what good is that to you if you can't find the roots, but do find lots of branches and twigs. While the posts over the last few days have been general they were leading up to a more detailed breakdown of divisions, the names of parishes and congregations as per county and more importantly the changes in these names after a gap of about 100 years and the increase or decrease absence of parishes and congregations after this time. While my general posts were sent to a number of lists as they were finished, the individual county posts can only be done at a certain pace and even at that it will take more than one day to do each county, including whatever information I have for each religion in that county. I have been thrown off lists in the past and I have been asked not to post to certain lists because what i do is 'general' and not pertinent to particular counties, areas. I know that i get asked if posts of mine can be included on web pages, in newsletters, forwarded to other newsgroups. I also know that there are others whoh do this without asking me first. i know that there are those well wishers on any general list who would see a post which they consider pertinent to another list and just forward it. I would appreciate it greatly if anyone who ever considers forwarding any post of mine to any other list would ask me first. it may be that the list is one I have been asked not to post to, and I do not want to offend any more listowners than necessary. Also, it is a very uncomfortable feeling to find yourself being unsubbed from a list you have already been unsubbed from a long time ago.....you get to wonder if there are fairies inside your computer. Thank you for reading this. Jane

Tomb stones, I understand that acid rain has been causing most of the problem in the last 20 years. Bob Lakewood NY At 09:41 AM 7/1/99 EDT, Caiside@aol.com wrote: >Jane, I couldn't agree more about the importance of reading and publishing >the graveyard inscriptions. I think cleaning should be left to experts to do, >because I think there is a right way, and many many many wrong ways. Maybe >the same folk thatare doing the Heritage centers could be pushed/encouraged >to have the graveyards read. Or maybe better--to get interested genealogists >to do it, since they will be more concerned with accuracy. > >Now if it was in the US and we wanted something done, we'd write to our >Congressperson about it. Can you write to the local MP or something? >Janet C-S > >

Jane, thanks for your interesting information. One of my ancestors William RAHILLY from Lacken, Cordangan Parish, Tipperary Town in Tipperary (his father had 3 acres tenant land) born 1836 was strongly reputed to have been a priest (perhaps almost I think). Anyway, several letters to Ireland in that area produced no answers and one curt 'don't know'. I am still wondering . He came to Australia about 1852/3 but cannot find any record of his arrival. In1858 he married my 13 year old gg grandmother and then had 14 children. Interesting to me is that he named none of his children after his father, Michael Rahilly although his first daughter was named after his mother Ellen McCarthy. William RAHILLY could read and write well and played the violin and composed songs and sang in local neighbourhood concerts in Landsborough Victoria area. How does one find out, if at all, about possible education. Why with seven sons would he not name one after his father and eldest brother? Yet the other brothers along with his sisters, got a namesake in his large family. Lots of questions in my mind. Regards Elizabeth ---------- From: Jane O'Brien <jayohbee@iol.ie> To: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: The Roman Catholic Church Ireland in 1931 Date: Thursday, 1 July 1999 23:00 THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IN IRELAND ( in 1931) The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland is governed by four Archbishops, whose sees are in Armagh, Dublin, Cashel and Tuam, and twenty four Bishops ; they are all nominated by the Pope, generally out of a list of three names submitted to him by the Parish priests and Chapter of the vacant diocese, and reported on by the Archbishop and Bishops of the Province. The diocesan dignitaries are the Vicars-General of whom there are one, two or three, according to the extent of the diocese, who have special disciplinary and other powers; Vicars Forane, whose functions are more restricted; the Archdeacon, and the Parish priests and Administrators. All of these as well as the Curates are appointed by the Bishop. The whole of the clergy are supported solely by the voluntary contributions of their flocks. The Episcopal emoluments arise from the mensal parish or two, the incumbency of which is retained y the Bishop, from marriage licences and from the cathedraticum, an annual sum,varying from £1 to £10 paid by each Parish Priest, Administrator and Curate in the Diocese. The 2,428 civil parishes in Ireland are amalgamated into 1,116 ecclesiastical parishes or unions. The incomes of the Parish Priests arise from fees on marriages, baptisms and deaths, on Easter and Christmas dues and from incidental voluntary contributions, either in money or labour. The number of Priests in Ireland in 1853 was 2,291 (of whom 1,222 were educated at Maynooth College) and the number in 1873 was 3,157. The Curates of the Parish priests form more than half of the whole clerical strength; and scattered through cities and towns are 70-80 communities of Priests of various religious orders or rules, hence called Regulars who minister to their own churches, and though without Parochial jurisdiction greatly aid the secular clergy. All the places of public worship are built and maintained by subscriptions,legacies and collections. There are numerous monasteries and convents; the latter are supported partly by sums, usually from £300 to £500, paid by those who take the vows in them, and partly by fees for the education of the daughters of respectable Roman Catholics. Various communities of Monks and Nuns also devote themselves to the gratuitous education of the children of the poor. Candidates for clerical ordination, formerly under the necessity of obtaining their education in continental colleges are now chiefly educated at home. According to the 1836 Catholic Registry and Directory there were 27 Dioceses in Ireland and approximately 3000 Priests: 960-970 Parish Priests, 1500 Curates and 500 Regular Clergy. ----------

Hello, I remember reading about the proper way to do rubbings.I bookmarked it at the time but I have so many that I can't seem to find it now. I just went to Cindi's List and found these URL's. I hope they are helpful. Pauline Ontario, Canada How to Do Tomestone Rubbings http://www.mindspring.com/~mooregen/tombstone.htm Tomestone Rubbings http://www.firstct.com/fv/t_stone.html Standards for Transcribing Cemetery Headstones ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/roots-l/genealog/genealog.headston

It is never appropriate to clean a grave stone, as several previous searchers have noted. There is a material particularly designed for rubbing which is double sided, trated with an ink-type substance ( simular to non-carbonated, pressure sensitive documents which copy themselves as you write on them). They are designed for grave rubbings and are generally very dark blue. My sister-in-law did a rubbing of our husbands' gr-grandfather's stone which had been in the family plot for 150 years. All the sibs had assumed for years that it said "Laois County", the rubbing revieled "Mayo County" as clear as day... Not only were we all surprised at the change but the search then revealed the real origin! She asked a caretaker of a large cemetary in her city and he gave her a sample.

PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH (1931) The Presbyterians who are found chiefly in Ulster, are formed into Congregations, each of which is under the ecclesiastical government of a court called a Kirk Session, consisting of the Minister and Elders of the Congregation. An indefinite number of the Ministers of these Congregations, with a Representative Elder or each constitutes a Presbytery, which has the charge of the Congregations represented in it. Delegates from each of these Presbyteries, consisting of all the Ministers, with a Representative Elder, for each, constitute the General Assembly, which is presided over by a Moderator chosen annually and regulates the ecclesiastical concerns of the Body. The first Presbytery in Ireland was formed at Carrickfergus in 1642, and gave rise t the Synod of Ulster. The Presbyterian Synod of Munster was formed about 1660. The Presbytery of Antrim separated from the Synod of Ulster in 1727, and the Remonstrant Synod in 1829. A number of Seceders formed themselves into the Secession Synod of Ireland about 1780. In 1840 the General and Secession Synods having united, assumed the name of the general Assembly of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, comprising in 1930, 546 Congregations, arranged under 34 Presbyteries. The Ministers were supported by voluntary contributions, the rents of seats or pews, and the proceeds of the commutation of the annual Parliamentary Grant called the Regium Donum, or Royal Gift ( first granted in 1672 by Charles II), made by the Church Temporalities Commissioners under the Act of 1869. The Minutes of the General Assembly for 1930 state that in the year ending in December there were 584 Ministers,, (besides 22 licentiates and ordained ministers without charge, 546 congregations and 510 manses. THE METHODIST CHURCH The Methodist Society was founded by the Rev. John Wesley in 1739. It is constituted in Ireland under the Methodist Church in Ireland Acts Northern Ireland and the Irish Free State, 1928). The ministers are itinerant, five years being the longest period they can remain in any one circuit under ordinary circumstances. One, two or more are appointed to a circuit which comprises a number of congregations and they are assisted by lay preachers, leaders and prayer leaders. Out of these, with representatives elected By the Societies is formed the Leaders Meeting, at which ministers attend, one of them , called the Superintendent presiding, and this Board manages the affairs of the local society. The Quarterly meeting composed of the same officials together with the Trustees etc. manages the affairs of the Circuit. A number of Circuits forms a District. The Conference meets annually and is the supreme ecclesiastical court. It consists of 150 ministers and 150 Laymen, the President of the British Conference also being the President of the Irish one during its sessions. The number of Ministers in Great Britain is 2,562. The number in Ireland is 248. At the census if 1826 the number of people in Ireland who returned themselves as Methodists was 60, 217. The Primitive Wesleyan Methodist Society (English) and the Methodist new Connexion are now united with the Wesleyan Methodist Society in Ireland forming the Methodist Church of Ireland

THE CHURCH OF IRELAND (1931) There were 33 Church of Ireland Dioceses in 1931. All incumbents on vacancies occurring, were appointed by the several Boards of Nominations, except I some cases of District Churches and Parochial Chapels, where Trustees were appointed previous to the Dis-establishment, and in parishes where , under the statutes of the Church, Donors by Endowment acquired the Patronage. Until Jan 1, 1871, the Church of Ireland was established by Law and was combined with the Church of England, by the Act of Union (1800). The Bishops and beneficed Clergy had a freehold in their offices, and in the emoluments and privileges belonging to these offices; the resources of the Church were practically all derived from the tithe rent charges, from the annual rents or produce of Church lands, from occasional private subscriptions, and from the income arising out of private benefactions. The lay members of the church were entitled to all the ministrations of its clergy without any liability to support it with their contributions; and they had neither authority nor responsibility in relation to the management of its temporal affairs. The Irish Church Act, 1869, provided that from January 1, 1871, the statutory union between the Churches of England and Ireland should be dissolved, and that the Church of Ireland should cease to be established by law. Subject to the vested interests of the then existing Bishops, Clergy and other Church officers, all such Church property of every kind was vested in the ‘Commissioners of Church Temporalities’ who were created by the Act and who carried out al the transactions that the Act required - in realising all items of property, selling Church lands to occupying tenants and others and discharging all liabilities imposed by the Act, and, from time to time, as parliament might direct, appropriating the surplus to various Irish purposes. All the Ecclesiastical Corporations that existed under former conditions having been dissolved by the Irish Church Act, the necessity arose for the creation of a new corporate body to take over from the Church Temporalities Commissioners whatever property and moneys under the e Act were to be transferred to the Authorities of the disestablished Church, and to be the trustee and agent in respect of property and funds subsequently acquired. This was met by the corporation in 1870 of the Representative Church Body. This body was constituted so as to include representatives from every part of Ireland. By recognising the vested interests of the Bishops, Clergy and other church officers who were in office when the Act came into operation and their rights to receive their respective emoluments during their lives and by making it a condition, that in return they should render the same service as before, an opportunity was afforded by the authorities to make plans for future church sustentation. It was eventually decided that instead of having a general plan for all Ireland , local effort would be stimulated to a greater degree, and other advantages secured by having a separate plan for each diocese or group of dioceses in which the resources of all the parishes under the plan would be pooled, and by which a steady voluntary effort on a uniform principle from the very beginning on the part of all the parishes would eventually secure on the disappearance of the last surviving annuitant, an accumulated capital, the interest on which, with the same regular annual subscriptions from the parishes, would fully meet the Stipends secured to the Clergy of the Diocese under each particular scheme. At a General Convention held in 1870, it was declared as a general and fundamental principle, that a General Synod consisting of the Archbishops and Bishops, and of representatives of the Clergy and Laity "shall have chief legislative power as may be necessary and consistent with its Episcopal constitution"" The General Synod consists of three orders, the Bishops, the Clergy and the Laity. These sit as two Houses, the House of Bishops consisting of all the Archbishops and Bishops and the House of Representatives, consisting of 216 Clerical and 432 Lay Representatives, distributed among the dioceses and elected every third year by the Diocesan Synods. The Registered Vestrymen are Church members who either own property or are resident in the parish, or are accustomed members of the congregation of the Church or Churches in the parish. They are the constituency that elects 9a0 one of the Churchwardens - the other being nominated by the Incumbent; (b) members of the Select Vestry which controls the Parochial Charity and Church Funds © the Lay Synodsmen who sit in the Diocesan Synod and (d) the three Parochial Nominators who with the Bishop and the three Diocesan Nominators elected by the Diocesan Synod elect the Board of Nomination with whom rests the appointment of the Incumbent of the parish.

In a message dated 7/1/99 11:28:58 AM, IrishSB@aol.com wrote: <<I am trying to find info on GGrandmother Sarah Nixon born in Fermanagh married Michael McCabe from Monaghan sometime around the mid 1800's. My Mother told me that the other family names were Montgomery and White. I have found some names on the IGI but can't prove they are mine. I don't know Sarah's parents names and can't find her birth.>> Jane, your best bet is to start with the marriage, or the birth of one of Sarah and Michael's children, if that birth occurred in Fermanagh. If it did, and you know the approximate year, then get a copy of the birth record from the GRO in Belfast. This will give you the place of birth. To be sure ytou have the right couple, you may need to get several children's birth records. You can get the index for Irish births in microlilm at the FHCs. >From the place of birth you can figure out the part of Fermanagh they came from (what district). Then you can get a copy of the marriage record. Marriage records are kept by district, so you need to know the district for common names. Your names all seem to be Protestant names (though McCabe could be either.) If so, you are in luck, because civil records for Protestant marriages were kept from 1845 on. When you get the marriage record you will have names of bride's and groom's fathers, their occupations, and the townlands each were from. Good luck, Janet C-S

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IN IRELAND ( in 1931) The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland is governed by four Archbishops, whose sees are in Armagh, Dublin, Cashel and Tuam, and twenty four Bishops ; they are all nominated by the Pope, generally out of a list of three names submitted to him by the Parish priests and Chapter of the vacant diocese, and reported on by the Archbishop and Bishops of the Province. The diocesan dignitaries are the Vicars-General of whom there are one, two or three, according to the extent of the diocese, who have special disciplinary and other powers; Vicars Forane, whose functions are more restricted; the Archdeacon, and the Parish priests and Administrators. All of these as well as the Curates are appointed by the Bishop. The whole of the clergy are supported solely by the voluntary contributions of their flocks. The Episcopal emoluments arise from the mensal parish or two, the incumbency of which is retained y the Bishop, from marriage licences and from the cathedraticum, an annual sum,varying from £1 to £10 paid by each Parish Priest, Administrator and Curate in the Diocese. The 2,428 civil parishes in Ireland are amalgamated into 1,116 ecclesiastical parishes or unions. The incomes of the Parish Priests arise from fees on marriages, baptisms and deaths, on Easter and Christmas dues and from incidental voluntary contributions, either in money or labour. The number of Priests in Ireland in 1853 was 2,291 (of whom 1,222 were educated at Maynooth College) and the number in 1873 was 3,157. The Curates of the Parish priests form more than half of the whole clerical strength; and scattered through cities and towns are 70-80 communities of Priests of various religious orders or rules, hence called Regulars who minister to their own churches, and though without Parochial jurisdiction greatly aid the secular clergy. All the places of public worship are built and maintained by subscriptions,legacies and collections. There are numerous monasteries and convents; the latter are supported partly by sums, usually from £300 to £500, paid by those who take the vows in them, and partly by fees for the education of the daughters of respectable Roman Catholics. Various communities of Monks and Nuns also devote themselves to the gratuitous education of the children of the poor. Candidates for clerical ordination, formerly under the necessity of obtaining their education in continental colleges are now chiefly educated at home. According to the 1836 Catholic Registry and Directory there were 27 Dioceses in Ireland and approximately 3000 Priests: 960-970 Parish Priests, 1500 Curates and 500 Regular Clergy.

Hi, This is my first query and my first mailing list so I hope I do this right! I am trying to find info on GGrandmother Sarah Nixon born in Fermanagh married Michael McCabe from Monaghan sometime around the mid 1800's. My Mother told me that the other family names were Montgomery and White. I have found some names on the IGI but can't prove they are mine. I don't know Sarah's parents names and can't find her birth. Any help will be appreciated. Jane Burckhardt

Everything says don't touch them..leave them stand, for as long as they will. *But* they are still exposed to the elements still being acted on by nature and still unread - the majority anyhow here in Ireland - or else read by half interested people, who are just rushing through a 'job'. Here we are with few records which go back past the 1800's...or even if I might say past the 1840's-50's.....except for the lucky ones and those whose ancestors were monied.... and there we are also with graveyards and stones which predate parish records and civil records.....the stones in these graveyards have in the main not been read ever, we have few burial records..... We have graveyards which are overgrown, stones fallen down, gone, broken, covered in ivy and moss...... and we have no record of those people who were buried therein......other than what can be read on those stones........ *if* they were cleaned to a certain extent. Now, that's the rub.....as we say here and for sure it is......most of these stones will be gone thanks to the elements and our wonderful Irish weather by the time the Irish wake up to their actual importance..... It's fine to say that some graveyards have been transcribed and even back as far as the early 20th C there were people transcribing, but current transcribers find all sorts of errors in those old trascriptoins...and even current transcribers do not put the work necessary into cleaning stones in order for them to be legible, not because of any protection orders, but because of the time and effort it takes to do so. and the rub is this - what's the point in leaving them standing uninterfered with, if no-one is going to do something about protecting them from the elements....and then they will never be read in the end and the people who were buried there will just disappear into eternity..never to be remembered or known of, or their passing marked...for longer than the time that those who remembered them lived What was the point in erecting stones in the first place?? Sorry folks - this is a pet peeve, I've been in so many graveyards which are absolutely covered over - literally - where you can't even see one stone....even when those stones were erected as late as the mid 20th C........I've seen so many parish records which only go so far back and know that there are stones outside the door which would take the searchers back another one - two hundred years with their ancestors..... and I wonder why people bothered to put up stones in the first place when I hear the Irish say that recording graveyards is a crazy thing to do - to let the dead lie in peace...... But all that is just a personal opinion.....and photographing only works in some instances...and when they are in bad condition - you still cant' read the inscription..no matter what method you use to try and do so Jane -----Original Message----- From: Caiside@aol.com <Caiside@aol.com> To: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 01 July 1999 03:15 Subject: Re: FW: Tomb stone rubbings > >In a message dated 6/30/99 10:00:38 PM, W.Barber@motorola.com wrote: > ><<> But cleaning the stones accelerated their decay. Any removal of moss >>algae or other coatings will in my opinion accelerate the decay of >>sandstone or other non granitic material. I am saddened that stones >>which survived from 1843, which were quite legible are now about >>illegible 20 yrs after I cleaned them. >> >>This is only my opinion and I may be mistaken. However, I cringe when >>ever I hear of some one cleaning non granitic memorial stones. I welcome >>any comments on this matter. >>>> > >Everything I have ever read has said DON'T clean them!!! With anything! >Most historical graveyards do not allow rubbings anymore either. > >Photograph them instead. That's my opinion. >Janet C-S >

Jane, I couldn't agree more about the importance of reading and publishing the graveyard inscriptions. I think cleaning should be left to experts to do, because I think there is a right way, and many many many wrong ways. Maybe the same folk thatare doing the Heritage centers could be pushed/encouraged to have the graveyards read. Or maybe better--to get interested genealogists to do it, since they will be more concerned with accuracy. Now if it was in the US and we wanted something done, we'd write to our Congressperson about it. Can you write to the local MP or something? Janet C-S

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-----Original Message----- From: buddyf@ieway.com [mailto:buddyf@ieway.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 8:24 AM To: Barber Bill-CARV22 Subject: Re: Tomb stone rubbings >I visited the site re tombstone rubbings by Sabina wherein she advises >cleaning stones in order to do rubbings. I began genealogy >30 yrs ago and at that time did some cleaning of tombstones that were ca >150 yrs old. I did it with great care and soft brushes etc.and they >appeared OK. > But cleaning the stones accelerated their decay. Any removal of moss >algae or other coatings will in my opinion accelerate the decay of >sandstone or other non granitic material. I am saddened that stones >which survived from 1843, which were quite legible are now about >illegible 20 yrs after I cleaned them. > >This is only my opinion and I may be mistaken. However, I cringe when >ever I hear of some one cleaning non granitic memorial stones. I welcome >any comments on this matter. > >Bud Burge > I was fortunate to find that someone had placed a plastic substance into the depressions on the tomebstone of one of my ancestors. This took place in Ballyshanon, Donegal, Ireland and was there in 1996. William J Flanagan Fermanagh County Host Spokane, Wa, USA

In a message dated 6/30/99 10:00:38 PM, W.Barber@motorola.com wrote: <<> But cleaning the stones accelerated their decay. Any removal of moss >algae or other coatings will in my opinion accelerate the decay of >sandstone or other non granitic material. I am saddened that stones >which survived from 1843, which were quite legible are now about >illegible 20 yrs after I cleaned them. > >This is only my opinion and I may be mistaken. However, I cringe when >ever I hear of some one cleaning non granitic memorial stones. I welcome >any comments on this matter. >>> Everything I have ever read has said DON'T clean them!!! With anything! Most historical graveyards do not allow rubbings anymore either. Photograph them instead. That's my opinion. Janet C-S

MARRIAGE LICENCE BONDS Marriage Banns (the intention of the couple to marry)were called out in a church on three consecutive Sundays, however it was possible to avoid this by ‘buying’ permission to marry from the church. The Bishop of the Diocese would then issue a ‘licence’ to marry to the couple. A Bond was usually taken out in the Diocese of the Bride to be. The Groom and a relative or friend would pay the church a sum of money a ‘surety’ or guarantee that there was no just cause or impediment that the marriage should not take place. The original Diocescan and Prerogative Court Marriage Licence Bonds were all destroyed in the Four Courts fire in 1922. The Indices and some abstracts however survive. Some of the indices do contain information such as the addresses of the people concerned whereas others just have the names of the people

Baptisms and marriages were recorded in either Latin or English. Never in Irish. Generally where English was more common English was used and Latin was in Irish speaking parishes. There is however, no consistency. The Latin version of the first name was given while the surname and placename were still written in English. Latin Name: English Equivalent (s) Anna: Anne Carolus: Charles Cornelius: Cornelius, Conor, Neil Demetrius: Jeremiah, Jerome, Jerry, Dermot or Derby. (Demetrius is a latinised form of the Irish name Diarmaid which has also been anglicised as jeremiah) Gulielmus: William Hugones: Hugh Ioannes: John or Owen Jacobus: Jacob, James Johana: Johanna, Hannah, Joan, Jane Johanes, Joannes: John Honoria: Hannah, Nora, Norry Margarita: Margaret, Peg (Peig is actually the Irish name for Margaret) Maria: Mary, Marie Nigellus: Neil, Niall Timotheus, Thaddeus: Timothy, Tadgh, Thady Variations: Latin words change their endings according to their case: howevr it is reasonably easy to guess at the English name when reading these