Had already sent this info directly to Dora but maybe somebody else might be interested. Masonic Lodge of Ireland at Freemason's Hall, 17 Molesworth Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. is the national headquarters if the Freemasons in Ireland. They have good archives, including for the 19th century. I dont know which number is for the Libraby but if you prefer to phone try: Int code-353-1-676 1337

The above Index is now available on-line at http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/ Click on "What's New" and scroll down till you find the index link. Search by name/ship/year during 1844-1859. Good luck ! Cheers Diane P. Sydney, NSW, Australia

I saw a posting from John Carruthers of Canada. His e-mail address is not on my digest. I bet he is working on Carruthers in Fermanagh County, since they were there and particularly prone to go to upper Canada. I am interested in the Carruthers of Fermanagh County, particularly around Enniskillen and Tempo. Some Cauthers lived there from the beginning of the 19th century. I have been in touch with Samuel Carrothers of Enniskillen, descended from a specific line that were ejected from Scotland at the beginning of the 17th century, he thinks that all Carruthers of Fermanagh county are probably of his family though he has knoweldge only of his direct line. (He runs the Carrothers family museum in Enniskillen.) Cauthers is an unusual form of the name Carruthers; Cathers, which is a more common form of the name Carruthers, is also fairly common around Enniskillen. I am collecting all Carruthers genealogical information from Fermanagh county as it may tie into my Cauthers. These Cautehrs often used the names Thomas, Matthew, and James, and a James and Matthew who may or may not have been born with the spelling Cauthers were born at the end of the 19th century, allegedly in or near Enniskillen and Tempo. Thomas and his sons Matthew and Thomas went to Canada; James and his wife together with the parents of his son's wife are buried in the Enniskillen Church of Ireland cemetery by their son James and daughter Letitia "of New York" between 1835 and 1855. I think that James and Thomas are likely to have been brothers originally named Carruthers. In the middle of the 19th century, I have records of two Cauthers families, I think one headed by James and another by John, in Enniskillen and Tempo. There are multiple pieces of evidence that the family lived in the townland spelled something like Waterinerry or Woaghterinerry - I'm not sure about that "i". Yours, Dora Smith

Hi! William >Church records in Newtownbutler were started in 1835. What Denomination ???? The only information I have is that Patrick my Gr, Gr, Grandfather was born at Newtown Butler inn 1840 His Father was John and his mother was Mary Smith, they were Roman Catholic. many thanks Brian

Hi Janet >And did you receive my response? Yes thank you very much, I appreciate the help. Regards Brian

--part1_6500a7ac.24d8a4bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_6500a7ac.24d8a4bb_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: DStorms262@aol.com From: DStorms262@aol.com Full-name: DStorms262 Message-ID: <60bfe12c.24d8a46f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:00:47 EDT Subject: Re: phone calls, U.S. to Ireland To: cl001@freenet.buffalo.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 I have done this several times and have just called direct from home (GTE and MCI) Both calls were a little bit over $1.00 and they did the search on one right then and there and the other I returned the call later in the day. They are wonderful at the Statistics Office and I recommend this method HIGHLY! Dorcie Storms Searching for KELLEHER/KELLIHER/KELLAGHER --part1_6500a7ac.24d8a4bb_boundary--

I have a news flash people may be interested in; Walgreen's phone cards,which are $5.99 for 15 minutes and $9.99 for 30 minutes, with six free minutes when you recharge the card, charges only 1 1/2 units to make phone calls to Ireland, which means that a short phone call to Ireland costs under a dollar, and since the average exchange of information with any one source takes two or three typically short phone calls, it is still cheaper and easier than sending international mail with international return postage! And if some librarian is going to keep you on the line while he does a lookup, which has happened to me, who wouldn't pay for the extra minutes! I don't know if other calling cards as well as some long distance services would give as good a deal, but I doubt if Walgreens is alone. Yours, Dora Smith

A family story says my ancestor, Henry Nathaniel Lowe, who was a printer and newpaper editor in Enniskillen in the 1870's, I think he had the Fermanagh Times, whatever it was, it went bankrupt and got taken over by a local committee in 1879, was "run out of Ireland for being a Mason". He seems to have after the death of his wife and two sons and the failure of his business to have gone to Clonmel and been a "clerk of the peace", according to another report I am trying to check out. The Tipperary County library doesn't answer e-mail, either. But someone wrote to me that he isn't likely to have been run out of Ireland for being a Mason, because Enniskillen was full of prominent Masons. I have always thought the story of whatever did happen must be more complex than that because I find it difficult to imagine membership in any group by itself getting someone successfully run out of Ireland. Bombed, maybe. I have wondered if perhaps the other Masons participated in running him out of town, for some reason, or at the very least for some reason failed to back him up. I would expect that the Masons were probably pro-English and upper class in their outlook and politics. Particularly if many of them were prominent in Enniskillen. Can anyone tell me more about who were prominent Masons in Enniskillen between 1870 and 1882, what their religion and politics (and ethnicity and social class) were, and if there was any controversy or political problem concerning them or within their group. Also, can someone please tell me how to phone (not write) someone in connection with the grand chapter for Enniskillen. And does anyone know of anyone who has done work on the Enniskillen Masons. Even if Fermanagh county contains any colleges or universities! I think it is time I called someone at the history department at such a place if it exists. Yours, Dora Smith

Sharryn: I don't know how relevant this is to your work, but a Cardinal Dundas published the book, "Enniskillen, Parish and Town" in 1912, in which I have been trying to get someone to look up for me what turns out to be grave records from the Enniskillen Church of England Cemetery for members of the Lowe family. Enniskillen is in Fermanagh County. The Fermanagh Library might be able to give you more information - if they wish to. I've been having trouble getting them to look some stuff up for me. They are on line. Also, the "Church of Ireland" cathedral in Enniskillen (which was the Enniskillen parish church). The name is something like Mcarty Cathedral, I probably don't have the name right. But someone on this list sent me the address and phone number, so perhaps someone will do so for you. If a Dundas was this prominent, there should be biographical and some genealogical information available. Yours, Dora Smith

In a message dated 8/3/99 11:05:31 AM, cl001@freenet.buffalo.edu wrote: <<Even if Fermanagh county contains any colleges or universities! I think it is time I called someone at the history department at such a place if it exists. >> Try Enniskillen County Library. <A HREF="http://www.eknlib.demon.co.uk/contact.html">Enniskillen Library Contact</A> Janet C-S

Bill.....I agree that there is an interchange of KERR and CARR. My grandmother Elizabeth Fletcher (1884-1979) was in Co Fermanagh visiting her brothers in the early 1950's and during that trip she also visited with KERR friends (which she pronounced CARR). As you know, Bill, my grandmother was born at Tiranagher Beg and I am told that the Kerr family that she knew lived at the end of the Tiranagher lane. That would be Drumbad or Drumcrow West townland. BTW< A.R.P is acres, rods and perches. Regards, Doug Fletcher Barber Bill-CARV22 wrote: > > I have seen the Kerr name in some of my research. A quick check of the few > pages of Griffiths Valuation of 1862 that I have copied for the Parish of > Inishmacsaint reveals: > > Drumcrow West, Edward Kerr, Land 1,0,29 A.R.P. (this was the townland where > some of my Dundas ancestors also lived) > Legg, Edward Kerr, House, Offices and Land, 75, 2, 15 A.R.P. (I think Acres, > Rods?, ?) Annual Rateable 45 Pounds > > Also in LDS Microfilm 0258520, Parish of Inishmacsaint: > > Thomas Kerr of Bolusty (next to Drumcrow West) married Margaret Dundas on 23 > Sept. 1805 > Mary Carr married John Dundas of Aghamullen, 1799, their children John > Dundas and Robert Dundas were baptised 31 May 1807. They later had a > daughter, Jane baptised in 1819. Their address was then Inislogher > (island). This was recorded in Devenish Parish baptisms. The other records > were in Inishmacsaint, LDS 0258520 and in WH Dundas' book, Enniskillen Town > and Parish. John and Mary and their 11 children emigrated to Canada in 1822. > They disembarked at Montreal and travelled south to Sherrington in Lower > Canada according to the book "Descendandants of William and John Dundas", > Sanders, Styles and Gower, 1982. > > There seems to be an interchange of Kerr and Carr in Fermanagh. In the > Muster Rolls of 1630, according to W.C. Trimble's History of Enniskillen, > there was an Alexander Carr with Sword and Snaphance under Sir John Hume, > undertaker of 3,500 acres at Churchill and Drumcose. Also a George Carr > with "no armes". Under Sir William Cole, undertaker of 1,000 acres at > Enniskillen, there was a John Car with no armes. > > Bill Barber > Hudson, New Hampshire > U.S.A. > Email to: W.Barber@Motorola.com

Elizabeth, I know so very little about the Sproule's. I have her on a death certificate for one of her children. (Andrew Hurst.) She is listed as married to John Hurst. Ireland. Andrew and other siblings were born in Enniskillen, Fermanagh. Andrew was born in 1841. So, just using some simple subtracting (I usually use 20 years) Anna Sproule was born around the 1820s or earlier. They eventually came to Bobcaygeon Ontario. Now I'm not sure if Anna and John Hurst came to the US. I, somehow, doubt that they did. And that is the extent, of what I know of the Sproule's. So the names that you mentioned, I have no knowledge of. I really wish, and I'm sure like you, knew more. Let me know if anything sounds familiar to you. I know that last Sept, 98, I heard from a Max Carrick in Sydney, Australia and he was related to the Hurst's. But I don't remember him saying anything about the Sproule's although it was in a response from me about Sproule/Hurst. So I guess that is about all I know. If I can help further, please let me know. DeLories - Lynnwood Washington, USA JDVon@aol.com

Oops! Some Kind Soul Regards Brian

Hi List I am interested in the family of John Prunty and Mary Smith who lived in Newtownbutler. My Gr.. Gr. Grandfather was born there in 1840 and migrated to Australia in Circa 1860 (haven't found his entry details yet he married here in 1863. One of his cousin's Matthew Gibney of Killishendra, County Cavan, was ordained a Priest and came to West Australia. in 1886 he became Bishop of Perth W.A. I have checked the IGI for info without much success, so have really come to a standstill in this regard, knowing the name of the parish Newtownbutler is in might help me further down the line. SKS means some kind sole. Many thanks for all those that have passed on the info I was seeking Regards Brian

Dear DeLories: I was not your mystery researcher but i noticed this message on Sproule. I have been looking for Thomas L Sproul b 1836 Drumcard Fermanagh and brother Alexander W Sproule b Tyrone 1837 for years. Their parents are listed on their marriage records in Boston MA as Thomas and Rebecca or Margaret Brown. They also had two sisters Rebecca S b 1845 and Sarah L b 1846 Do you recognize any of these names? Elizabeth Perry esp@world.std.com 2 August 1999 > > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:44:57 EDT > From: JDVon@aol.com > To: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <6c8a8ac0.24d49e29@aol.com> > Subject: Anna Sproule/John Hurst > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Last week someone e-mailed me about Anna Sproule. Somehow, I managed to loose > > all of my e-mail's for two days. Probably my fault! Anyway, would you please > e-mail me again? > Thanks, > DeLories > JDVon@aol.com

Hello everyone I have just received information that my gg grandfather James DUNDASS was born about 24 May 1828 in Devenish, Derrygonnelly, Fermanagh. This info is from his Army Discharge papers. Does anyone have any details relating to him or any other DUNDASS'S from Devenish, Derrygonnelly? Can anyone tell me how I can access birth records for this county. My short tree is: 1. James DUNDASS b 1828 Derrygonnelly, Fermanagh m Elizabeth WALSH/WELSH 2. William Henry DUNDASS b 1853 Dover, England 2. Robert James DUNDAS(S) b 1854 Belfast, Antrim d 1930 Melbourne, VIC m Jane RUSSELL 1864-1888 2nd Wife Alice Harriet EASTMEAD b 1868 Gillingham, Kent d 1966 Melbourne, VIC 2. Male DUNDAS b 1865 Belfast, Antrim d 1865 2. David DUNDAS b 1868 Belfast, Antrim d 1868 Many thanks Sharryn Phillips Cronulla Sydney Australia Researching: DUNDAS(S) (Irl, Ind, Ham, VIC ) EASTMEAD (Ken) SEATON (Ham, SA, NSW) TOLL (Bdf) PHILLIPS, CUMMINGS, MILLS, RUCK, WILSHIRE (Gls) COCHRANE, FARISH (Dfs) SPALDING, MOFFAT, HUNTER (Lks) SMITH, BUTLER (NSW), HARDER (VIC)

At 05:49 PM 7/31/99 +0100, buddyf@ieway.com wrote: >Fermanagh; Priciple familes of Irish and English Extraction who posessed >this Kingdom in the 17th Century. > >MacGuire >William J Flanagan >Fermanagh County Host >Spokane, Wa, USA > If anyone is interested in the MAGUIRE'S of Fermanagh, check out these three URLS... http://www.cris.com/~Maguire http://www.csn.ul.ie/~ger/maguire/main.html http://www.clansandnames.org/maguire.shtml Maureen Maloney....also a Maguire descendent from Fermanagh to Leitrim/Cavan

I have seen the Kerr name in some of my research. A quick check of the few pages of Griffiths Valuation of 1862 that I have copied for the Parish of Inishmacsaint reveals: Drumcrow West, Edward Kerr, Land 1,0,29 A.R.P. (this was the townland where some of my Dundas ancestors also lived) Legg, Edward Kerr, House, Offices and Land, 75, 2, 15 A.R.P. (I think Acres, Rods?, ?) Annual Rateable 45 Pounds Also in LDS Microfilm 0258520, Parish of Inishmacsaint: Thomas Kerr of Bolusty (next to Drumcrow West) married Margaret Dundas on 23 Sept. 1805 Mary Carr married John Dundas of Aghamullen, 1799, their children John Dundas and Robert Dundas were baptised 31 May 1807. They later had a daughter, Jane baptised in 1819. Their address was then Inislogher (island). This was recorded in Devenish Parish baptisms. The other records were in Inishmacsaint, LDS 0258520 and in WH Dundas' book, Enniskillen Town and Parish. John and Mary and their 11 children emigrated to Canada in 1822. They disembarked at Montreal and travelled south to Sherrington in Lower Canada according to the book "Descendandants of William and John Dundas", Sanders, Styles and Gower, 1982. There seems to be an interchange of Kerr and Carr in Fermanagh. In the Muster Rolls of 1630, according to W.C. Trimble's History of Enniskillen, there was an Alexander Carr with Sword and Snaphance under Sir John Hume, undertaker of 3,500 acres at Churchill and Drumcose. Also a George Carr with "no armes". Under Sir William Cole, undertaker of 1,000 acres at Enniskillen, there was a John Car with no armes. Bill Barber Hudson, New Hampshire U.S.A. Email to: W.Barber@Motorola.com

In a message dated 8/1/99 9:50:31 PM, bask@hard.net.au wrote: <<I have checked the IGI for info without much success, so have really come to a standstill in this regard, knowing the name of the parish Newtownbutler is in might help me further down the line. >> Brian, I did answer your question regarding parish, assuming you meant civil parish: I wrote: <<Did you mean Civil Parish? It's in the Civil Parish of Galloon, Poor Law Union of Clones.>> Janet C-S

Could SKS please tell me in which parish Newtownbutler is situated. Regards Brian