I also would be interested in any insight to this question. My ancestors (Alexander RODGERS and Susan McQUEY) came from Fermanagh Co. to South Monaghan Co., Ontario, in 1844. He was a graduate (law) of a University in Dublin (Trinity?). (She was coming to visit Mrs. Smithson, her sister.) As well as the answer to why people came to Canada at that time (especially people not affected by the famine), if anyone has interest in and/or information of the above-mentioned names, I would be pleased to hear from you, and will share what little information I have. Cheers! Betty Nelson (betty_nelson@bc.sympatico.ca) JHowe888@aol.com wrote: > > I've been reading the Fermanagh Digest for some time now and have not seen > this question addressed. Why was there such an exodus from Fermanagh and > Armagh Ireland to Canada in the 1840s? I know that the Canada Company > attracted the Scots in the 1830s. Were they still a factor in the 1840's > with the Irish? > Thank you > Janice Hamilton Howe > North Carolina

I've been reading the Fermanagh Digest for some time now and have not seen this question addressed. Why was there such an exodus from Fermanagh and Armagh Ireland to Canada in the 1840s? I know that the Canada Company attracted the Scots in the 1830s. Were they still a factor in the 1840's with the Irish? Thank you Janice Hamilton Howe North Carolina

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To all listowners to which this is being mailed to: I think I've talked to you all at some stage or other. The following is off topic re genealogy but I think is also very on topic. I've been on a number of groups which had wonderful contributors. I can see that some of the groups to which this is going have begun to take off recently as regards people contributing information.... This post began as a reply to someone who had mailed me personally re something I had posted to one list only.....it was when I finished it that I decided I would send it also to those lists I am still subscribed to To everybody: The mail is more directed at those people who would be negative about receiving too much mail from any newsgroup. Who would complain to listowners or rootsweb about contributions to any newsgroup...other than those of a political nature or which become newsgroups where everyone is sending in jokes and other topics absolutely unrelated to genealogy. In every aspect of life there has to be some give and take. in order to get information - then if you give a little leeway to those who I describe here as becoming regular contributors you will get in return. Maybe not today or tomorrow....but next week or next year. I ask people to really consider what they are doing, and think about what any person they would complain about on any newsgroup contributes - before heading off to make that complaint. I've been on newsgroups for almost three years now and I've found that for each one people gradually get to know one another, or one anothers posts would be a more true thing to say. They become comfortable with a list, with those they know on it, while forgetting that they've really only met a very very small percentage of those subscribed. Gradually these who become comfortable seem to introduce something more than just posting of information, sometimes they send a mail intended for one or two people privately to the list and then end up apologising to the list, and at the same time - they meet loads more people who tell them that they didn't mind the mistake, who while they lurk and don't post themselves appreciate the posting of the individual who made the mistake. Long sentence that.....hope it comes across ok. Also, those who contribute regularly and who have become familiar with the list - they may send in a joke or two.....something that it not absolutely genealogically related, a bit of history - something 'off-topic' but not too much so. Then, someone who lurks begins to lodge complaints - either with the listowner or rootsweb. Others who have lurked will also begin to complain....and because for any good list there are always many more subscribers than contributors and so those who complain can count more. It's the same old story - happens all the time, has done with so many lists I've been on. What happens in the end depends on the character of the listowner - and on the number of people who make complaints - and mainly I imagine on the power of money....those who complain may be rootsweb contributors....and between them, they donate a lot of money - it amounts to more than that contributed even by those who contribute information and get enjoyment from the dissemination of this information. It is really so sad. There are petty people out there, who do nothing for themselves, or for others. Who would complain about anything and everything. I doubt that these are happy people. They take the pleasure of others and stamp on it. They take the pleasure of those who share, they take the pleasure of those who appreciate this sharing. Lord, I have learned so much from genealogy that it is absolutely incredible and I am not talking about all that I have learned on how to research in this country of mine or names or anything like that. I've learned more about people over the last three years than I ever did in my lifetime before. I did not mean this to turn out to be so long - my apologies...and I think I will forward this to all those groups I still remain on. Without your name or post to me. Jane

Many's a time I see queries on the various newsgroups about the use of Irish maiden names. Funny that I never thought to question it. I imagine that it is related to our Irish names - that is, names through Irish. When we use our names through Irish - the literal translation for a woman is 'daughter of' - Ní XX and for a married woman it is 'wife of' - Uí XX. We never stop being the daughter of whoever. As a married woman I can chose whether or not my name will be written as wife of or daughter of. and then again , through Irish I can write my surname in either of its variants...the way they spell it in Cork which is where my family originally came from or the way they spell it in Galway which is where they migrated to way back whenever. If I was an Irish speaker back in the 1800's and my husband died, I would automatically revert to my maiden name - daughter of....or I could say I was the widow of - but as Gaeilge that would be too long...... So, I guess that's why so many used their maiden name. A bit of female emancipation the Irish way. The mother was a very important person in Irish society, in a way we were a matriarchal society.....while she didn't earn the money she ruled the roost....in most cases. There is an Island - in the South Pacific I think, called little Ireland....and the people there - their society is very much a matriarchal one. The children they take their mothers surname such as it is. Jane

I am looking for information about Thomas THOMPSON, b. 7 Dec 1799 and Phoebe COULSON b. 1800 who married ca 1823. Most of their children were born in Cavan, County Cavan, but I have not been able to find record of their marriage. According to the Householder's Index at the time of the 1828 Tithe Applotment, there were both THOMPSONs and COULSONs in County Fermanagh in three places: 1)Lurg; 2) Clankelly, Clones Parish and Galloon Parish; 3)Coole, Galloon Parish. Therefore, I am wondering if Thomas and Phoebe may have born and married there, before moving to County Cavan. Both Thomas and Phoebe's mothers were named Elizabeth and died and are buried in Butler County, Iowa, where Thomas and Phoebe are also buried. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

David I have found a lot of information various film and batch numbers: some film numbers for Fermanagh which include Drumkeeran 538447 457141 452766 2034773 2034774 452767 457168 1903795 452767 457160 457110 444882 some batch nos: C701364 C701287 C701282 0960756 Sheet 38 A really good site which is fast developing can be found at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Trail/8333/index4.html the listowner is inviting people to send in their batch and film numbers which will be added to the site for everyone to share. Jan Hart janhart@webleicester.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: <DavyArm@aol.com> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 22 August 1999 22:48 Subject: Kesh and Drumrush batch numbers > Does any know what Batch number, pages etc one would search on the IGI > section of the LDS website. > > Thanks > > David >

Hello again! Further to my posting earlier this week regarding the above mentioned families and the location of Cleenish. I really appreciated all the help that was given and, although I think I have thanked everyone privately, I would like to say THANK YOU publicly to acknowledge a great list and also, in case I missed someone. I find that I have more questions: 1. From information I received from my first query, it appears that the BALFOUR family was from Dairies, Parish of Cleenish while the BURGESS family was from Dairies, Parish of Devinish. Please I hope I have this straight now. That being said, would it be wrong to assume that the WELSH family was probably from DEVINISH too? (I only know that Mary BURGESS married James WELSH c. 1831 Fermanagh.) 2. The 1851 census for Seneca, Haldimand County, Ontario where the James and Mary (nee: BURGESS) WELSH family settled, as well as, I believe, at least one of Mary's brothers (Arthur) is missing so I can't check anything before 1861 to establish when they probably arrived in Canada. So... (a) Does anyone have access to the 1851 census for Dairies, Devinish parish to see whether James and Mary WELSH were still in Ireland at that time? (b) Was either John BURGESS and\or his wife Margaret (nee: IRVINE) listed on the census? 3. Can anyone suggest which port they would probably have departed from? 4. Is Dairies an agriculture area? Is there anyone with a history of the area circa 1845 or does anyone know of a site online which might give me a better idea of what they left behind? I know...I know...but I mean besides poverty, which is why they left but...most of them probably would not have emigrated if they had been able to eek out an existence 'at home'. Once again, any help and\or suggestions will be appreciated. Regards, Joan, On. Canada

Does any know what Batch number, pages etc one would search on the IGI section of the LDS website. Thanks David

I am seeking any help or info about my gr-gr-grandfather Hugh Cassidy and his wife Bridget Loghlan. There son Edward b. abt 1843 came over to Stirling Scotland to work in the sinking of the Mine Shafts. He married a Mary Ann McGuire 1865 in Stirling and their children were Anthony, Thomas, Mary Ann, Hugh, Bridget, Edward, and James. Many Thanks Sadie Cassidy Hutchison Also seeking: MULHERN, KETTRICK, BOLAND, COYNE, DOCHERTY, KANE

Names: ALFORD, ARMSTRONG, JOHNSON Areas: Ireland:- Kilmore, Newtownbutler, Co. Fermanagh Millbrook and Clones,Co. Monaghan Canada:-Sydney and Tyendinaga Twsp., Hastings County, Ontario, Looking for information and relatives on the following ALFORD family born border area of County Fermanagh and County Monaghan. Near Newtownbutler. All emigrated to Hastings County, Ontario, Canada with the exception of Jane who remained in Ireland 1.John married to Eliza not much info on John, but came to Canada 2. Jane 1813-1889, m. Thomas ARMSTRONG, died Clones, County Monaghan, Ireland lived on Townland of Kilmore until c1880 and then moved and died in Millbrook (Clones) Co. Monaghan. 3.Joseph 1816-1892, m. Eliza died Tyendinaga, Hastings Co, Ontario 4. Henry 1803-1867 m. Margaret JOHNSON in Clones lived and died Sidney Tsp. Hastings Co. Ontario Don J Boyle Brantford, Ontario, Canada

Several years ago, while looking for records of my KERRIGAN family, I received a baptismal certificate of Patrick CORRIGAN. He is not mine, but in case anybody might find the information useful, here it is: Diocese of Clogher, Parish of Pobal (Tempo), Church of the Immaculate Conception, Tempo Patrick Corrigan, son of John CORRIGAN and Catherine McRAE baptized 6 Jan 1862; sponsors Mick SLEVIN and Judith MASTERSON Hope this helps somebody. Margaret Jenkins in Meriden, Connecticut, USA

Greetings all. I am also looking for a connection to my family with the Mortons from N. Ireland. My family was from Fermanagh and a Robert Mavity married a Margaret Morton around 1745. they had a son named William in 1747. Anybody have any information on Mortons from Fermanagh?? Thanks again. Brian Mavity

Hi Although there are not many passenger and ship lists for certain years the site mentioned below does cover many of them. www.cimorelli.com See Irish section Regards Barry Brock

It's been awhile so I thought I might throw this out again. I am looking for information on the surname Mavitty/Mavity in Fermanagh. Thanks Brian Mavity

Carole, Yes, I would love to have the address. Please send it to ellie@ncci.net. If she prefers to write to me, I'll email my home address privately. Lois ----- Original Message ----- From: John Derek Noden <jderek@noden99.freeserve.co.uk> To: ellie <ellie@ncci.net> Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 1:13 PM Subject: Re: PORTTEUS/MITCHELL > Lois, > Don't know if this is any help but in 1996 I was in contact with a lady in > Scotland who sent me her family tree. I was researching JONES from Co. > Fermanagh and she has a Patrick PORTEOUS, publican, married to a Bridget > JONES. Patrick was born in 1830 in Ireland and died in Derrygonnelly, Co, > Fermanagh. She may have more information by now so if you want her snail > mail address just get back to me. > > Carole > -----Original Message----- > From: ellie <ellie@ncci.net> > To: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 15 August 1999 23:07 > Subject: PORTTEUS/MITCHELL > > > >Trying to find information about George Portteus b. 1754 in Ireland. He > >had a son, Thomas, born in Enniskillen May 20, 1799 and a son David, born > in > >Enniskillen April 17, 1797. They left Ireland for America in 1817 along > >with a Mitchell family (one of whom later married Thomas Portteus), also > >said to be from Enniskillen. I am trying to find any information about > any > >Portteus or Mitchell families living in Enniskillen during that time > period. > > > >Thank you, > >Lois Terrell > > > >

hi. I am afraid I have his the proverbial wall.. My gg gfather John McGoldrick married a Mary McMulcan In Ederney, Co Fermanagh 1870. His Father was the 'late' Michael McGoldrick, Occupation a 'Shoemaker'. her father was the 'late' Patrick McMulcan , Occupation a Tailor.. Both Bride and groom on the wedding Certificate are said to be from Lack in Fermanagh.. But after checking Church records from 1835 to 1865 I couldn't find any John McGoldrick's or Mary McMulcans?? Can anyone link these relatives of mine to their on lines in a differnt part of fermanagh or a different County all together?? many Thanks Martin McGoldrick...

Greetings All I am looking for information on FRANCIS MONAGHAN b.c.1804 Co.Fermanagh m. ROSE A. DUFFY c.1827 children: JAMES b.1828/ANNE b.1830/JOHN b.1832 FRANCIS b.1834 All the above immigrated on the ship 'MARGARET' arrived Botony Bay,NSW Australia 28th Mar 1841 Also, CECILIA BOURKE b.c.1855 Co.Fermanagh immigrated to Australia c.1875 Father.......PATRICK BOURKE Mother......SUSAN McHUGH CECILIA also had a brother MATTHEW, who immigrated to Australia c.1887. Many Thanks Kerri [Monaghan] Pateman Vic.Australia

I am trying to locate my grandfather's family, the surname of LILLY. Here is what I know: The family lived in Dublin in 1865 - A sister, Elizabeth, was born there. She immigrated to the United States in 1888 and married Edward Walsh in Philadelphia on April 21, 1889. I believe a brother, John, was also born in Dublin. He was married to Mary Steele (father's name is Bernard) of Abbey Street, Enniskillen on January 31, 1887. John lived on Strand Street at the time of his marriage, and his father, also named John, was alive at that time. John, Jr. had three children in Enniskillen before immigrating to the United States sometime between 1893 and 1901. My grandfather's name was James Lilly. He was born on January 16, 1873 in Enniskillen. He was Roman Catholic and believed to have belonged to St. Michael's parish on Darling Street in Enniskillen. He immigrated to the United States in July, 1890 and settled in Philadelphia. It is believed that there were two more siblings. I have a letter from a brother named Charley telling my grandfather of his father's death on October 16, 1893. The letter is from Catterick, York (England), so at that time my great grandfather probably resided in England near this son. The letter mentions "Annie" and "Mick". I believe they are Charley's wife and son. There is also talk of another sister named Jane who might have had two sons, Mick and Charley. Jane remained in Ireland, but Mick and Charley immigrated to the United States at some point. If anyone has any information concerning the Lilly Family of Dublin/Enniskillen, please let me know. I have written to the parish church in Enniskillen to obtain information. Could anyone give me any other ideas on how to research the family? I have just started my search and need some help. Betty Anne (Lilly) Uebele

Sorry Janice I should have checked that information before sending to the list. The village I was thiking of is of course Kinawley. However I have now checked the PRONI list of townlands of Fermanagh and found a townland called Glenall. Maurice Cassidy P.S. Public Record Office Northern Ireland http://proni.nics.gov.uk/ have removed the Geographical Index page. If anybody else on the list has found it useful, complain LOUDLY now.