Betty Anne, Here is the link to the genealogy page of the Irish National Archives: http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy.html I suggest clicking on 'Beginning a Search' to start. The LDS catalog can be searched at their web site, www.familysearch.org. The link to the page to search the catalog is: http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchcatalog.asp Click on 'Place Search' to start and put in a county as part of a state, a county as part of a country (such as Ireland), a city as part of a county, etc. -- Kerry >Can you give the the web site for the Irish National Archives? > Also, how do you obtain a list of the the LDS has on >microfilm? > Betty Anne

Beth, Clones is a town in Co. Monaghan and also the name of a parish in Co. Fermanagh (on east border of county near Clones, Co. Monaghan). Have you checked the naturalization indexes for New York to see if your ancestor became a U.S. citizen? If your ancestor was still alive in 1870, check that census record for him. It will tell if he was a U.S. citizen (mark in column for male citizen 21 years and up).His naturalization papers should give his county of birth in Ireland, and possibly the parish and/or townland. That's how I found where my Irish ancestors were from (Co. Fermanagh and Co. Waterford). -- Kerry

Does anyone know how I can access a list of catholic clergy for the Magheraculmoney & Drumkeeran parishes of Fermanagh around 1845-1850? Regards John McLoughlin Tasmania, Australia

Hello, I am new to the list but I think I will venture a few questions. I was advised that Wiggins is a name that was fairly common in Fermanagh in the late to mid 1800's. I am attempying to locate my ggg grandfather's Irish origins. According to his death certificate he was born about 1792 and left Ireland for Brooklyn, New York in 1854 at about age 62. His daughters Susan and Jane were already here. I have seen reference to Clones on this board recently. I have also seen reference to Clones when checking Wiggins on the LDS website (www.familysearch.com ). However, Monaghan was given as the location. I would like to know if there are two Clones or it is located in both counties? Is it true that a good number of Wiggins were to be found in Fermanagh? Would anyone have any knowledge of this Thomas Wiggins? I appreciate any help or suggestion you can offer. Thank you very much. Beth McLoughlin

>From a recent PRONI publication on Church records held by the PRONI, locally or by the Representative Church library. The references are to the films in the PRONI (MIC) or else teh RCB (C.R) Whether or not these have been copied by the LDS libraries is another question. Jane Church of ireland records for the Civil parish of Clones: Aghadrumsee: Bapt, marr & burials: 1829-1935: MIC.1/236 Vestry Min books: 1871-: IN local Custody Clogh: Bapt, 1811-1891; marr: 1792-1910; Burials. 1810-1986:: MIC.1/288 Bapt: 1891-; Marr 1910-; vestry mins 1831-: preachers books 1866-: In local Custody Clones Bapt. 1682-1873; marriages 1682-1788 & 1792-1912; burials 1682-1704, 1709, 1722-5, 1733-4 and 1808-1901: MIC.1/147; C.R. 1/58 Vest. Mins 1688-1885; which incllude list of seatholders, 1735-83, details of visitations, 1803-8, and list of poor c. 1741; preachers book, 1841-63; list of clergy, 1609-1873: MIC.1/147: C.R. 1/58 ----- Original Message ----- From: K. O'Brien <kerryo@gvi.net> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 11:35 PM Subject: Starting research in Co. Fermanagh > I'm new to this list. I recently discovered that my great- > great-grandmother, Rosanna KING, was from Co. Fermanagh > (Knockavea townland in Clones Parish). She came to the U.S. > in the 1840s. I'm ready to start research in the Irish records > but after visiting several web sites (including the Irish > National Archives), I still have some questions I can't find > the answers to: > > 1. Is there an online list of what Church of Ireland parish > records are available for Clones parish (prior to 1850)? > > 2. Apparently the LDS doesn't have any Church of Ireland > parish records for County Fermanagh. To get information from > them, does one write to the Irish National Archives or directly > to the parish? If the parish, where can I find the address for > Clones parish? > > 3. Where does one find the tithe applotment records? The > LDS doesn't list them in their collection. > > I hope someone with experience using these records can help > with some answers. Thank you. > > -- Kerry O'Brien > >

In a message dated 9/20/99 6:37:28 PM, kerryo@gvi.net wrote: <<1. Is there an online list of what Church of Ireland parish records are available for Clones parish (prior to 1850)? >> Don't know if it is online, but this is the info from James Ryan's book, Irish Records: Clones C of I parish (Aghadrimsee) earliest records start b. 1829--1927 m. `1829-1935, d 1829-1890 Records are in local custody and on film in the Representative Church Body Library in Dublin. (Braemar Park, Dublin 14). Copies of existing registers of C of I parishes are also at PRONI in Belfast (Public Record Office of NI) but they will not do research for you. You can go there or hire someone to do it for you. Heritage World in Tyrone has most of the parish registers computerised for Fermanagh and will search them for a fee. (http://www.iol.ie/irishworld/ Tithe Applotment records are on microfilm at LDS. Look in the catalog under Tax records, by county, then parish. Maybe someone else can supply the exact film number??????? Good luck, Janet C-S

I'm new to this list. I recently discovered that my great- great-grandmother, Rosanna KING, was from Co. Fermanagh (Knockavea townland in Clones Parish). She came to the U.S. in the 1840s. I'm ready to start research in the Irish records but after visiting several web sites (including the Irish National Archives), I still have some questions I can't find the answers to: 1. Is there an online list of what Church of Ireland parish records are available for Clones parish (prior to 1850)? 2. Apparently the LDS doesn't have any Church of Ireland parish records for County Fermanagh. To get information from them, does one write to the Irish National Archives or directly to the parish? If the parish, where can I find the address for Clones parish? 3. Where does one find the tithe applotment records? The LDS doesn't list them in their collection. I hope someone with experience using these records can help with some answers. Thank you. -- Kerry O'Brien

unsubscribe Adam4Eves@aol.com wrote: > > Village of Kesh > Kesh began as a ford or crossing place on the Glendarragh River. In the past > Lough Erne came very much closer to the village than it does today. Before > the first great Erne Drainage in the 1880's the lake was about eight feet > higher and especially in time of flood may almost have reached Kesh. The rath > on Rosscah Hill above the late Joe Robert's house, (a former rectory of > Drumkeeran Parish) indicates original settlement here probably as far back as > the Iron Age c 2000 years ago. There are two raths on this hill but the > nearer to the house is believed to be a decorative feature made at the time > of the construction of the house in the late 1700's. The large standing stone > in Rosculban may be a relic of the Iron Age as well. > > After a time the ford was augmented with a wicker bridge for which the Gaelic > word is ceis and hense the village got its name. The name had been spelt in > varying ways but generally as Kish or Cash until relatively modern times. An > ancient saying in the locality which may refer to basket making and osier > working in the area states that anyone gifted with a big behind, "had an ass > on them like a Kesh creel." John O'Donovan the famous Irish scholar wrote two > letters from Kesh while helping the Ordnance Survey make the first ever > modern maps of Ireland. The first one was written in his inn on the 31st of > October 1834 and he is obviously having difficulty in writing in Kesh on > Halloween night. He ends, "Excuse hurry and Holly-Eve night's disturbance in > a wild country village." > > According to the O.S. Memoirs of 1834, Kesh had a police force of one > constable and four subconstables and had a recently established weekly market > as well as five fair days per year. It had a population of 120. A riding post > arrived daily from Enniskillen at 12 o'clock and departed again at 1 p.m. A > walking penny post was established at Kesh for letters to Pettigo. > > The greatest impetus ever provided to Kesh was the arrival of the railway in > 1866. It provided employment and a focus for traffic to and from the station. > Hardware shops and shops providing for the needs of farmers could now carry a > greater variety of goods and stock could be replenished more quickly than by > horse and cart. Cattle and other livestock could also be transported to > distant markets after being bought in local fairs such as Ederney and Lack > itself. Butter and eggs could be produced in greater quantities and markets > in Belfast and Dublin easily reached by train. Another boon to Kesh was the > establishment of the Creamery there although this was done against much local > opposition. > > This information from Slater's directory of 1870 tells of the economic > activity about Kesh at that time. BAKER. Bernard Kelly. BLACKSMITH. Alexander > Coulter and Henry Irwin. BOOT AND SHOE MAKERS. Bernard Flynn, Terence Harran, > James Irwin, Samuel Mc Caffrey and William Wherry. CARPENTERS AND CART > MAKERS. William Mc Clintock. CHINA, GLASS AND EARTHENWARE DEALERS. William > Gilmore. EMIGRATION AGENTS. James Aiken. GROCERS. James Aiken, Richard > Elliott, Adam Eves, William Gilmore and Bernard Kelly. GUANO DEALERS AND > SEEDSMEN. James Aiken. HARDWAREMEN. James Aiken and William Gilmore. LINEN > AND WOOLLEN DRAPERS AND HABERDASHERS. James Aiken. MILLINERS AND DRESSMAKERS. > Catherine Doonan. NAIL MAKERS. William Graham and Joseph Mc Barron. > PHYSICIANS AND SURGEONS. Baptist G. Graham, Drumrush, Kesh. > POSTING HOUSES. Adam Eves. SPIRIT AND PORTER DEALERS. William Aiken, William > Campbell and Thomas Muldoon. TAILORS. Patrick Doonan and Edward Johnston. > TIMBER IRON AND COAL MERCHANTS. James Aiken. KESH RAILWAY STATION. James > Connell, Station Master. CONSTABULARY STATION. Thomas Lewers. Sub-Inspector, > Thomas Kernan, Head Constable. > > Among my relations in the above are Kelly and Eves.

Village of Kesh Kesh began as a ford or crossing place on the Glendarragh River. In the past Lough Erne came very much closer to the village than it does today. Before the first great Erne Drainage in the 1880's the lake was about eight feet higher and especially in time of flood may almost have reached Kesh. The rath on Rosscah Hill above the late Joe Robert's house, (a former rectory of Drumkeeran Parish) indicates original settlement here probably as far back as the Iron Age c 2000 years ago. There are two raths on this hill but the nearer to the house is believed to be a decorative feature made at the time of the construction of the house in the late 1700's. The large standing stone in Rosculban may be a relic of the Iron Age as well. After a time the ford was augmented with a wicker bridge for which the Gaelic word is ceis and hense the village got its name. The name had been spelt in varying ways but generally as Kish or Cash until relatively modern times. An ancient saying in the locality which may refer to basket making and osier working in the area states that anyone gifted with a big behind, "had an ass on them like a Kesh creel." John O'Donovan the famous Irish scholar wrote two letters from Kesh while helping the Ordnance Survey make the first ever modern maps of Ireland. The first one was written in his inn on the 31st of October 1834 and he is obviously having difficulty in writing in Kesh on Halloween night. He ends, "Excuse hurry and Holly-Eve night's disturbance in a wild country village." According to the O.S. Memoirs of 1834, Kesh had a police force of one constable and four subconstables and had a recently established weekly market as well as five fair days per year. It had a population of 120. A riding post arrived daily from Enniskillen at 12 o'clock and departed again at 1 p.m. A walking penny post was established at Kesh for letters to Pettigo. The greatest impetus ever provided to Kesh was the arrival of the railway in 1866. It provided employment and a focus for traffic to and from the station. Hardware shops and shops providing for the needs of farmers could now carry a greater variety of goods and stock could be replenished more quickly than by horse and cart. Cattle and other livestock could also be transported to distant markets after being bought in local fairs such as Ederney and Lack itself. Butter and eggs could be produced in greater quantities and markets in Belfast and Dublin easily reached by train. Another boon to Kesh was the establishment of the Creamery there although this was done against much local opposition. This information from Slater's directory of 1870 tells of the economic activity about Kesh at that time. BAKER. Bernard Kelly. BLACKSMITH. Alexander Coulter and Henry Irwin. BOOT AND SHOE MAKERS. Bernard Flynn, Terence Harran, James Irwin, Samuel Mc Caffrey and William Wherry. CARPENTERS AND CART MAKERS. William Mc Clintock. CHINA, GLASS AND EARTHENWARE DEALERS. William Gilmore. EMIGRATION AGENTS. James Aiken. GROCERS. James Aiken, Richard Elliott, Adam Eves, William Gilmore and Bernard Kelly. GUANO DEALERS AND SEEDSMEN. James Aiken. HARDWAREMEN. James Aiken and William Gilmore. LINEN AND WOOLLEN DRAPERS AND HABERDASHERS. James Aiken. MILLINERS AND DRESSMAKERS. Catherine Doonan. NAIL MAKERS. William Graham and Joseph Mc Barron. PHYSICIANS AND SURGEONS. Baptist G. Graham, Drumrush, Kesh. POSTING HOUSES. Adam Eves. SPIRIT AND PORTER DEALERS. William Aiken, William Campbell and Thomas Muldoon. TAILORS. Patrick Doonan and Edward Johnston. TIMBER IRON AND COAL MERCHANTS. James Aiken. KESH RAILWAY STATION. James Connell, Station Master. CONSTABULARY STATION. Thomas Lewers. Sub-Inspector, Thomas Kernan, Head Constable. Among my relations in the above are Kelly and Eves.

Lisnaskea means the "Fort of the Whitethorns." In addition to "Lis" - forts or defensive homesteads have many names derived from the Irish language such as "Dun" as in Dun na nGall - Donegal - the Fort of the Foreigners. "Rath as in Rathmore - the Big Fort at Belleek in Fermanagh or Cashel meaning a stone fort as in Cashel in Tipperary. Lisnaskea is often shortened to Skea by the locals and pronounced as rhyming with "Say" JC in the Irish Potteries.

In a message dated 9/19/99 6:31:40 PM, finigan@tiac.net wrote: <<My PRONI search of townlands didn't locate a Lisnaskea in Fermanagh, but it did produce a Lisnaskea Division(?)in the Parish of Aghalurcher, Co. Fermanagh, that was made up of 8 townlands (i.g. Cornashee, Croaghan, Hollybrook, Kellybrook, Killygullan, Lisoneill, Sheebeg, Toney and Tullyneevin). >> Lisnaskea is a town. It is east of Upper Lough Erne, a little south of Maguiresbridge. I think the address you have will get a letter there fine. <<What does the BT 92 OGT postal code mean?>> Who knows! I can't figure out US zip codes either, I just use what they tell me ;-) It is pronounced Lis- na-SKAY. Means Fort of the [something]. Accent is never on "na", since that means "of the." Janet C-S

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I just received a post card from a relative from Swanlinbar, Co. Cavan who has moved to NI to be closer to her work near Enniskillen, but for the life of me I can't make out the address. With a magnifying glass, it looks like: Drumhaw Park, Lisnaskea, Co. Fermanagh BT 92 OGT My PRONI search of townlands didn't locate a Lisnaskea in Fermanagh, but it did produce a Lisnaskea Division(?)in the Parish of Aghalurcher, Co. Fermanagh, that was made up of 8 townlands (i.g. Cornashee, Croaghan, Hollybrook, Kellybrook, Killygullan, Lisoneill, Sheebeg, Toney and Tullyneevin). (1) Can anyone point me in the right direction for verifying that a letter mailed to the address on the post card will reach my relative. (2) What towns is it near? (3) What does the BT 92 OGT postal code mean? (4) Is it pronounced Lis-NA-skea? My wife is from Co Cavan and she remembers the name Lisnaskea but that was a long, long time ago. Please reply off-list. Thanks Ed Finigan Lynn, MA USA finigan@tiac.net Excerpt from IrishTimes Search Engine: TOWNLAND The most ancient and smallest territorial division still in use. Also known as a Ballybetagh. Note that, in some cases, the spelling of townland names was subject to variation. WARD or DISTRICT ELECTORAL DIVISION A ward is a subdivision of a county or municipal borough or urban district. It is a territorial unit for the purpose of elections to local councils

HUH? I really don't know what you're asking here. Are you asking which book explains things best? Janet C-S

This is the first time that I have seen anyone make reference to KESH, Ireland. I have family who came from there. Hurst's and McCready's. As well as a neighboring town of Enderny and also Irvinestown and Enniskillen. I would like to know more about the town and history of that area. At this point, I would like any information. Please can you help? Thanks so much DeLories Lynnwood, WA, USA JDVon@aol.com

ROMAN CATHOLIC PARISHES And dates records started; Aghavea 1862 Aughalurcher In Lisnaskea 1835 Carn In Belleek 1851 Cleenish 1836 Culmaine 1836 Devenish 1853 Enniskillen 1838 Galloon 1853 Inishmacsaint 1848 Irvinestown 1846 Roslea 1862 Tempo 1845 PRESBYTERIAN Church Records and starting dates Enniskillen 1837 Lisbellaw 1849 Pettigo 1844 CHURCH OF IRELAND church records and starting dates Aghadrumsee In Clones 1821 Aghalurcher In Lisnaskea 1788 Aghaveagh In Lisnaskea 1815 Belleek 1822 Bohoe In Enniskillen 1840 Clabby In Fivemiletown 1862 Coolaghty In Kesh 1835 Derryvullan In Enniskillen 1803 Devenish In Ballyshannon 1800 Drumkeeran In Kesh 1801 Galloon 1798 Inishmacsaint 1813 Killesher In Enniskillen 1798 Kinawley 1761 Lisnaskea 1804 Mullaghafad In Scotstown 1836 Magheracross 1800 Magheraculmoney In Kesh 1767 Maguiresbridge 1840 Tempo 1836 Trory In Ennsikillen 1779 WESLEYAN METHODIST started in 1747 Check National Library in Dublin Linen Hall Library in Belfast. William J Flanagan Fermanagh County Host Spokane, Wa, USA

I would like to know how many people who have various books such as Mitchels genealogical Atlas, Grenhams tracing your Irish Ancestry.....which shows RC parishes......actualy understand whatever maps they are looking at. Any book at all........ how many understand the difference between Catholic and Civil parishes, that while a parish exists today - it may not have 100 years ago, that there were parishes 100 years ago not in existence today. how parishes can spread between counties....how a Diocese can cover a number of counties......what one actually looks for when looking for registers from a particular area - given that you have a parish name. Basically, I think what I want ot know is if those of you who have any books relating to genealogical research in ireland find that the books explain all these properly........using their maps. Or, would you be better off if parishes relating to each county specifically and any other source of information relating to divisions such as registration districts per county were listed individually........rather than through maps. Or the association of words and maps - not one standing alone. I'm not looking for anyone to point me in the direction of any books, I would like opinions on how this information is presented in the the books which are out there. I know most of the books. please and thanks, Jane

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I am searching for a Rose and Catherine MURPHY of Enniskillen, Fermanagh. Rose was born about 1830 and migrated to Australia with Catherine in 1850. I am guessing they are sisters and this is all the information I have to go on. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. Gillian - Australia schrader@ihug.com.au

I am looking for any information on Robert Hicks, his wife Frances Armstrong and their children. Robert was born 13 Jul 1770 at Enniskillen, Fermanagh, Ireland and Frances was born 17 Sept 1770. They had sons John Alexander b. 1801; George Barton b. 1803; Thomas b. 10 Jan 1804; Robert b. 1805; dau Frances chr 28 Jul 1805; son Samuel b 23 Oct 1808; dau Jane b. 1811; son Robert F b 1818; dau Mary b 1819 son William abt 1821. I would like to know when they left Ireland. Did they come to the United States or did they go to Canada first. I have been told that they left Ireland about 1821 but can not document that. I would like to know what happened to Jane and Mary did they die young or get married and stay in Ireland? I will be happy to exchange family information. Thanks Cynthia __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com