Maybe someone with better knowledge will jump in and give us the correct answer. I was always told by my Grandfather that the English would not allow the Irish to be educated. The English didn't want them to be smart enough to organize and fight back. Some of mine could read and write and some could not. My Grandfather said that if someone in the family could read and write they taught the others. I guess it was pretty much like the English not allowing the Irish to practice their religion. I'm not sure what time period Grandpa was talking about though. His Grandfather came during the potato famine. Marilyn Salem, OR ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

In a message dated 10/11/99 12:00:38 AM, gerhard@ican.net wrote: <<I know that one of my great great grandmothers was born and raised in The Dairies. She was born 1806-1812 and married about 1831. I also have discovered that she was illiterate. Was this common for the era? >> I was hoping an expert would answer this. Since no one has yet, I'll add my two cents. The national school system didn't start until 1831. Before that, there were schools run by free lance teachers. Devenish parish had Sunday school in the Monea area. According to P Livingstone, "There were only 12 completely free schools in Fermanagh in 1824." So, most children paid fees to attend a school. Livingstone does not say whether it was common for girls to attend school, though there were definitely secondary schools for girls in Enniskillen. But my guess is, that if the family were large and not well-off, it would not be uncommon for only some of the children to attend. Girls especially might be needed at home. And perhaps the feeling was that they didn't need to learn to read and write. Janet C-S

Looking for information on Agustus (or Augustus) Armstrong, commonly refered to Gusty by older members of my family. He was born about 1862 in county Fermanagh, Ireland. His descendants currently own our family farm in Drumrush, Fermanagh, although it is actually a hotel now. There was a dispute over ownership of the farm at one stage. My great grandfather (William James Armstrong) inherited it from his father but sold it to Gusty. I have the deeds from when my Great Grandfather owned it but I know it was sold before he left his family and moved to the US. Does anyone know anything about this Augustus Armstrong. Thanks David Armstrong Wichita, Kansas

Looking for info on a George Armstrong who married Catherine Graham in Tubrid Church, Drumkeeran, Fermanagh, Ireland on July 2nd 1852. I am having problems finding the date of birth for each of these two. Sound familiar to anyone. David Armstrong Wichita, Kansas

I am repostingmy query on Latimers from Ballinamallard. I have a Lillian Latimer who moved from Ballinamallard, County Fermanagh to USA about 1927. Her family ran the Post office in Ballinamallard for over fifty years around this time. Does this sound familiar to anyone. Or does anyone have any ideas on how I could get more information on her family Thanks David Wichita, Kansas

I know that one of my great great grandmothers was born and raised in The Dairies. I also have discovered that she was illiterate. Was this common for the era? She was born 1806-1812 and married about 1831. Both her father and husband were literate. Was this the norm? Thanks for any help! Joan, On. Canada

> Does anyone know of a place called "kilnesher." From family history, I've > been told my gr.grandmother, nora gilmartin, was from kilnesher, co. > fermanaugh, but i can't find the townland or any record of her. She would > be born @ 1840's-1850's. >From the web site <http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/placename/index.cfm>: Placename Civil Parish Poor Law Union ----------- ------------ -------------- Killesher Killesher Enniskillen S R C A cott obert ranston nderson phssra@physics.emory.edu http://www.physics.emory.edu/faculty/anderson

Does anyone know of a place called "kilnesher." From family history, I've been told my gr.grandmother, nora gilmartin, was from kilnesher, co. fermanaugh, but i can't find the townland or any record of her. She would be born @ 1840's-1850's. thanks for any information. maryann kelly

In a message dated 10/10/99 1:55:37 PM, bowheads@usit.net wrote: <<Is there anyone that might have the Folles surname in their research? Christian Folles shows in the Flax growers register in the 1600 or 1700's. I don't think my Folles family came to New York before the mid 1800's but I'm really not sure. >> Could it have been Falles ot Fallis? There were plenty of the latter in Fermanagh, esp in Devenish parish. Janet C-S

Is there anyone that might have the Folles surname in their research? Christian Folles shows in the Flax growers register in the 1600 or 1700's. I don't think my Folles family came to New York before the mid 1800's but I'm really not sure. Hitting lots of deadends since the GGrandmother (Mary Rogers) was raised in a Catholic orphanage in Brooklyn. There is also some confusion about the family originating in the Alsace Lorraine region as Volles and having only one son migrate to Ireland. Thanks, Ellen Alberti

I'm looking for BEACOMS who upon immigration to Canada became Beckims. Henry and Jane came from Drumboarty, Cty. Fermanagh to New Brunswick Canada about 1847. Would love to talk to cousins and descendants. Darlene Walsh dnwalsh@aol.com

Does anyone know the location of the Allingham Arms Hotel in either Fermanagh or Donegal. It is on a tour bus stop and I wish to know how far it is from Ballyshannon. Thanks in advance. William J Flanagan Fermanagh County Host Spokane, Wa, USA

I am away, housesitting, for the next few days and will anwer your email when I get home. Cynthia -------------------- Original Message: Return-Path: <fermanagh-d-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (204.212.38.27) by mta108.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 1999 22:03:34 -0700 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23011; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: FERMANAGH-D-request@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199910100501.WAA23011@bl-11.rootsweb.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-D Digest V99 #245 X-Loop: FERMANAGH-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <FERMANAGH-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume99/245 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: FERMANAGH-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com - ---------------------------- Content-Type: text/plain FERMANAGH-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 245 Today's Topics: #1 Irvinestown Census, 1901 & 1911 [jonco@glenlair.screaming.net] #2 Re: Irvinestown Census, 1901 & 191 [smokey@ziplink.net] #3 Gray/Grey _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Is there anyone out there who Might have a Grey/Gray family in their families William Gray/Grey left Fermanagh in 1841 bringing his whole family and their partners with him to Australia This entire family were Church of Ireland William was born Shanmullagh married c1820 Margaret Ramsay born Duncoolan Williams parents were John Gray/Grey born c1778 Shanmullagh and Mary Hetherington Christened 10.9.1780 Magheraculmoney Mary's parents were Irvine Hetherington born c1754 Magheraculmoney and Jane? born c1758 also from Magheraculmoney Have all Australian information that I am willing to share Do hope somebdy can help me Nita in Australia fraser@nru.com.au

Hello List I am seeking advice on behalf of an adopted lady, not on-line, who is trying to trace family of her natural parents. The lady's natural father is Edward Cadden, born 1898 in Irvinestown Workhouse to Eliza Cadden, father not known. Edward disappeared in England in the 1930s but there may have been family still in Ireland. Therefore, we need to check the available censuses. I know the 1901 census for Ireland has been released and have heard that the 1911 census has been too. Advice please, on:- Q1 - was publication for all Ireland or just the Republic? Q2 - if available, has either census been indexed, and Q3 - can anyone recommend a researcher in Belfast or Dublin? Many thanks. John Convery

The Carrothers family of Fermanagh is well documented in a book called " Irish Immigration in Canada, Patterns, Links and Letters" , written by Cecil Houston. The book has a number of letters from members of the family to each other across the ocean. Currently, there is a Carrothers still on the original farm just outside of Lisbellaw, where he operates a small museum focusing on the family's history in the area. I believe there are others on the list who are also chasing down the Carrothers. They will probably supply a lot of information, otherwise get back to me and I will dig up some of the details for you so you can make contact with the Carrothers in Fermanagh.

Can anyone tell me where Peckarenny is located? Thank you. Barb

An excerpt from John Cunningham's book, The Letters of John O'Donovan, is now posted on the Cassidy Clan website: http://www.CassidyClan.org It is now out in CD form and available from us. Enjoy! Janet C-S

Good Morning Listers, I'm a newbie to this list. Up to now I've been searching in the United States for my ancestors but the big day has finally come to begin looking in Ireland. My grgrgrandfather John Carrothers was born 1791 reportedly in Fermanaugh. In 1818 he married Ellenor (surname unknown) born 1797. They had a daughter Susanna born 1819 and emmigrated to the U.S. between 1821 and 1831. They arrived at the port of Philadelphia and were found on the 1840 census in Ohio. I'd be very interested in corresponding with anyone researching CARROTHERS or CAROTHERS. I have lots of information after the family came to the U.S. that I'd be most happy to share. Regards, Pat Carrothers Bean ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Looking for a Joseph Aloyssious BOYD who was born 1891 Enniskillen had a sister Daisy-made a cross for a church(protestant) called to this day Joe Boyd cross. any information on this cross,church, family. Please help. Ellen DONNELLY_USA