----- Original Message ----- From: Tom McBryan To: MCBRIEN list Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:27 PM Subject: Searching for McBryan/McEnteggart info Hi List, I'm new. My gt-g'father Hugh McBryan, in l850s, was a farmer and journeyman blacksmith, Derrygonnelly and Enniskillen area of Co. Fermanagh, N. Ireland. Married Hannah (Ann?) Mc Enteggart (McTaggart?). Son William baptised Sept. 24, 1856, St. Michael's Catholic church, Enniskillen, where the record is in the section devoted to Marriages! Griffith Tenement Valuations of 1862 shows a Hugh McBryan as occupying part of No.17 Cross St., Enniskillen - his smithy maybe? William renounced his claim to the farm, went to Scotland with his brother Hugh (other siblings Mary Ann, John), and in 1882 married Catherine Foster in Garnethill, Glasgow. Children were Eddie, Willie, Maggie, Charlie (my father), Martin and Arthur, not in that order. I am stonewalled when I get as far back as far as ggf. Hugh, because the key to the search is the townland in which the farm was located, and I have no address to help me. It may have passed to a female member and so had a name-change, or been sold, but someone must live there still, if I could but find it, and then continue my search back in history. Do blacksmiths have a guild? Is there a family shoe-box under the dust of somebody's attic? Or maybe someone can recall a visit to the farm in the 1940s, from my father, who actually spoke to an old lady who remembered William and Hugh walking up the hill on their journey to Scotland? Remembering that spellings took a beating in translation. If any descendants of the people mentioned above, or indeed any who can help, would contact me at [email protected] I would be grateful for any morsel of information. I have a website at www.mcbryan.ca I expect to be in Dublin for a few days from Oct. 5th, and perhaps I could be pointed in the direction of the best places to visit for public records. Tom McBryan, G11 - 271 Tollendal Mill Road, Barrie, ON L4N 7S6 Canada.

As Fermanagh descendants, we have been keenly aware of the results of terrorism in Northern Ireland over the years. I was in tiny Kesh in August 1984 when a car blew up in front of the RUC station. That kind of faceless political violence was unnerving and I was almost relieved to return home to "normal" American crime, naively believing such things wouldn't cross the ocean. In the 17 years since, terrorism has only become more sophisticated and wide-spread. So many folks commuted to Manhattan from great distances that many small towns, like mine, within a hundred-mile radius of New York City will have lost neighbors when everyone is accounted for. It will be much like the aftermath of war -- but against an unknown assailant. Thank you for your sympathy and good wishes. Please pray for wisdom for our leaders and comfort for the bereaved. Linda Foh Saylorsburg, PA USA

I would like to add my sorrow, prayers, condolences and best wishes for those killed or injured as a result of this senseless attack on innocent people. John Maguire in SOUTH AFRICA

Hi there I am not on the internet, and am strictly email. Can someone please let me know if whoever wanted letters from soldiers during WW II has an email address? I have a letter which is miles long. SANDRA from AUSTRALIA

Thank you Jan, and all others for your prayers and warm thoughts.. This is truly a horrific time in our lives. I cannot even begin to understand the pain of those with loved ones missing and gone.. While I have no one that I am directly connected to, this has given all of us Americans a new outlook on life.. We see this type of thing happening in other parts of the world, and so many were complacent, and thought that never thought it could happen here. How wrong we were. It has shaken all of America to the core.. Thank you all again for your concerns and prayers.. God Bless you all... Bonnie Kirkpatrick in the Thumb of Michigan Bonnie Kirkpatrick in the Thumb of Michigan Bonnie Kirkpatrick in the Thumb of Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:09 PM Subject: Friends in the United States > Hi list > > It's hard to put into words what we feel about the news from the States > today. > > Whist struggling with what to say, I thought I'd put my own thoughts on a > web page. This I have now done and invite you to record your own message > of support and condolence to our friends in the US. > > You can leave your message at http://www.fermanagh.org.uk/comments/ All > messages left can be viewed by visitors to the page and the only thing I > ask is that the messages offer support and sympathy and that they are not > of a political nature. > > Jan > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

I could not say my thanks to all of you better than Mary McGinnis has just put on the list. It would be the most ideal situation to have all the world be as kind as all of you are. In fact, not only with your condolences in this tragic event, but all the help we seem so willingly give one another in our searches. Truly, we are friends across the globe. Marion Wood Salem, Oregon

To all the great listers, I would like to thank you for your support and condolences. Receiving messages from Canada, Great Britain, and Australia has helped us in our resolve to make it through this great tragedy. The world has expanded to the point that many of us are friends with those thousands of miles away. Their loss is ours and visa versa. As a whole, people are caring and wish no evil on others. For your support, we thank you. To Canadian listers, thank you for taking in our citizens that were returning from holiday or business across the seas. I know that this has put a burden on your airports and hotels. Once again, Canada has reached out to help their neighbor in time of need. Thanks. At daybreak we will proudly fly our American flag in support of the people. I will dress in black today in honor of the missing and dead. God Bless America Mary McG in Tennessee

Hi list It's hard to put into words what we feel about the news from the States today. Whist struggling with what to say, I thought I'd put my own thoughts on a web page. This I have now done and invite you to record your own message of support and condolence to our friends in the US. You can leave your message at http://www.fermanagh.org.uk/comments/ All messages left can be viewed by visitors to the page and the only thing I ask is that the messages offer support and sympathy and that they are not of a political nature. Jan

In a birth cert. received today, my gr grandparents are shown as residing at "Sandhill ( or Sand Hill)" in 1865. In the "IreAtlas Townland Data Base" it is shown as "257 Acres, County Fermanagh, Barony Magheraboy, Civil Parish Inishmacsaint, PLU Enniskillen". BUT - Where is it? Could some kind person please tell where it might be in relation to any larger towns in Fermanagh or where I could find out where it might be situated? Regards, Peter W. Dolan [email protected]

Hi All I am hoping some kind person out there can help me, I am looking for Mary GRAHAM born about 1820, father James Graham and mother Jane ??. Mary came to Australia in 1839 at 19 years old, on the shipping record it states she came from Fermanagh and also states her father as coming from ???place ( the writing is so bad you cannot read what the word is,it looks like there are only 5-6 letters, all that can be understood is the end 2 letters appear to be a H and an M) Farmer. Hopefully some one who knows the area may know what the word is. I would love to hear from any others researching this family. Heres hoping Teresa in OZ

--part1_de.1a412176.28cfc104_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_de.1a412176.28cfc104_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Full-name: Cahscls Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:16:06 EDT Subject: Re: Catastrophe To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 108 As an American thank you for your sympathy and concern regarding the horrific events this country had to endure this morning. As Americans we are shocked and horrified by these events, however, as Americans who are fortunate enough to live in this great country our spirit will never be broken for we are fortunate enough to have the strength of all the nationalities of the world under beautiful flag. God bless you all both here and abroad and may we all try harder to live together in peace. Carol --part1_de.1a412176.28cfc104_boundary--

I would just like to send my sympathy and feelings of concern to all listers across the Atlantic for the terrible happenings today. I am sure a lot of people will want to join me in saying our thoughts are with you and God Bless you all and your families Maureen

In a message dated 9/11/01 1:02:49 PM, [email protected] writes: << n a birth cert. received today, my gr grandparents are shown as residing at "Sandhill ( or Sand Hill)" in 1865. In the "IreAtlas Townland Data Base" it is shown as "257 Acres, County Fermanagh, Barony Magheraboy, Civil Parish Inishmacsaint, PLU Enniskillen". BUT - Where is it? Could some kind person please tell where it might be in relation to any larger towns in Fermanagh or where I could find out where it might be situated? >> Peter, Sandhill is very near Derrygonnelly (which is about 10 mi west of Enniskillen, south of Lower Lough Erne. ) If you have the sheet 17 red ornance survey maps (Discoverer Series) it is on the road that runs from the west end of Derrygonnelly towards Garrison, between numbers 52 and 53. It is Inishmacsaint civil parish, but Derrygonnely Roman Catholic parish. Are these your Cassidys?? Janet C-S

We are making plans for our visit to Ireland and Northern Ireland next year at the end of May. It appears that we will be searching for relatives both living and dead in the Dromore area near Irvinestown as from the 1901 census I found cousins listed in the townland of Galbally.Will the local church still have the records or will I have to go elsewhere. I have a photo taken in the 1940's+- of a family group standing in front of the farmhouse presumably in Galbally/Dromore - is it much changed and how difficult will it be to find the house. Mary Anne

Does anyone when or if the LDS Church plans on uploading their Civil Registration indices of England & Wales onto their website at www.familysearch.org? Currently the indexes are only available on microfilm at LDS Centres, & since I don't live close to any LDS Centre, I have to order them thru interlibrary loan--a time-consuming process. It would be infinitely more convenient to be able to access them online, like the IGI. Alternatively, does anyone know if the GRO indexes are available online anywhere else?? Colleen Andrews ************************ Visit my ancestral home-page: http://www.geocities.com/clandrews_2000

We were in Ireland this past July and met my Irish relatives for the first time. The church is a good place to start, if you know what church your ancestors attended. You should contact the rector of the local church. We also took a guess and went to a church in the town that was listed on an ancestor's citizenship papers and were able to find the entire family's baptism records. I'd also write to the postmaster in Irvinestown in advance of your trip, because it seems that the postman knows everyone in town. - Jane Dixon Anderson >From: "Mary Anne" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Visit to Ireland >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:53:12 +1000 > >We are making plans for our visit to Ireland and Northern Ireland next >year at the end of May. It appears that we will be searching for relatives >both living and dead in the Dromore area near Irvinestown as from the 1901 >census I found cousins listed in the townland of Galbally.Will the local >church still have the records or will I have to go elsewhere. I have a >photo taken in the 1940's+- of a family group standing in front of the >farmhouse presumably in Galbally/Dromore - is it much changed and how >difficult will it be to find the house. >Mary Anne > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

You are correct. There were no HERNANs or HERNONs recorded in Co. Fermanagh in the Griffiths Valuation Index for 1862. There were a few in neighboring Co. Leitrim...and many in Co. Galway. There were some HERONs in Fermanagh. Bill Barber Hudson, New Hampshire

Thanks John I hope it was only a typing error and that you didn't have to go back to check it. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 7:48 AM Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-D Digest V01 #201 > Sorry. There was an error in recording the TUMATH tombstone. Anne Tumath's > age at death was 52 years. The stone should read. > > TUMATH.Sacred to the memory of Anne Tumath the beloved daughter of > Christopher Tumath,Irvinestown, born 15th April 1855 died 8th of October1873 > aged 18 years also his wife Anne Tumath who died 26th July 1887aged 52 years. > > John Cunningham. >

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 [email protected] wrote: > Could someone please tell me how to recognize your name if it has been > changed? My grandfather (and all his siblings) recorded their names on all > Massachusetts records as HERNAN. Many sources have said that often times > names were spelled incorrectly on the voyage to America. When trying to check > Irish records (births, marriages, etc), I am unable to find this spelling. I Hi Beth, The changes in spelling are a real problem, especially now that we are used to thinking of say, Smith and Smythe as two different names. We are working on the idea of an index of local name variations for the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE (Scotland) web site, but one method that can work is to scan a directory (for almost any date) for the area that you think your folks may have come from and then try to follow up on similar names. Hernan = Herman = Hurnan = McHernan = McKernan etc. In my own lot I have McKeand, McKean, Kean, Keand, Kiand, and branches of our family like Kimmin has at least a dozen local variants to choose from. Kimmin = Cumine = Cummings = Cummins = Cumin = Comyn = Skimming = McSkimming = McSkimin and so on. What you need to remember is that, at the time they lived, one and the same person could be recorded in their lifetime by different writers at different times and places, and especially if they moved to a different village, with several quite distinct spellings. Not easy. Crawford.

Could someone please tell me how to recognize your name if it has been changed? My grandfather (and all his siblings) recorded their names on all Massachusetts records as HERNAN. Many sources have said that often times names were spelled incorrectly on the voyage to America. When trying to check Irish records (births, marriages, etc), I am unable to find this spelling. I am having difficulty finding my grandfather Hugh Hernan (b:1888). His parents were James and Mary Quinn and his siblings were Lizzie, Rose, Kate (Katherine) Mary and Margaret. Although I have located the marriage of each in the USA, I have been unable to find them or their parents in Fermanagh. When I was trying to search the ?1890 census, I wasn't aware of two of my grandfather's sisters, therefore, I wonder if I missed a different spelling? Anyway, I would appreciate any suggestions - sometimes genealogy is sooooooo frustrating. Thanks, Beth