Glad to see you're back William "buddyf" Flanagan ! Oddly enough I was wondering earlier this week where all that fun had gone. I was about to send out an APB. Tom (in France) "Mike Flanagan" <[email protected]> sur 15/11/2001 06:44:02 Pour : [email protected] cc : Objet : Flasnagan is back To all of you who enjoyed my little tidbits about people, places and movies about Ireland, 90 % of it was applied to Genealogy. I ish to inform you that I am now settling in to my own cubby hole in Glendale, Aridzone. My new address will be <:[email protected] . the start date will be 30 November 2001 to give me time to unpack my library and find out which box I place all my notes in . To those few who like to complain, I also welcome them for it stimulates the conversation and does increase responses to a slow day. I did loose my dictionary during this trip. sorry Mauren.... ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Is bud Flanaghan really back or is it an imposter? I cannot believe that Bud would forget how to spell his own name. Has anyone noticed that the spelling on the recent e-mail is FLASNAGAN. or of course it could be because 'he lost his dictionary'. Oh dear I am awaiting the flak. anyhow Bud have you got 'Mullarkeys' in your tree. I am actually being serious, so if you have I may have some information for you. They married into the Flanaghan family and I have the marriage certificates. Maureen

Looking for descendants of this Elms family of County Fermanagh, Ireland. >From the 1911 Census. Lily J Elms, grandaughter, R.C., can read and write, age 9 scholar, not married, born County Armagh. Now mysteriously 22 in 1911 and publicans assistant and born in Fermanagh and not Armagh as previously. She lived at N. Fullerton Avenue, New Jersey, U.S.A. in later years. James J Elms, grandson, R.C., can read and write, age 7, scholar, not married, born County Fermanagh. Now 19 and publican's assistant in 1911. He married ......... Gallagher of the forge near Clonelly. He died April 20th 1963. It seems that Maggie Eves married a Royal Irish Constabulary Constable named Elms and there is some rumour that there was ill-feeling in the family on account of this. He had been a lodger in the Eves Pub. John Cunningham.

To all of you who enjoyed my little tidbits about people, places and movies about Ireland, 90 % of it was applied to Genealogy. I ish to inform you that I am now settling in to my own cubby hole in Glendale, Aridzone. My new address will be <:[email protected] . the start date will be 30 November 2001 to give me time to unpack my library and find out which box I place all my notes in . To those few who like to complain, I also welcome them for it stimulates the conversation and does increase responses to a slow day. I did loose my dictionary during this trip. sorry Mauren....

Death notice from LEITRIM JOURNAL & CARRICK ON SHANNON ADVERTISER Oct 17th 1850 Oct 12th at Cavendish Row, Dublin. J. Denham Esq., D.L., late of Fair Wood Park, Enniskillen.

To Ronald Betty Thank you so much for sharing this very special primary record from World War I. Have you been able to visit the Somme Battlefield area in France? It is a very worthwhile pilgrimage for anyone to make. I recently visited the Villers-Bretonneux area (Somme) and Ypres in Belgium. Have you found your relative's commemorative information on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site .. www.cwgc.org Anne Maye in Oz

If anyone is searching the above names in Co. Fermanagh may get stuck about 1780-1820. should look into PETER BEGGAN born abt 1750 in Rosslea Co Fermanagh. Two of his sons OWEN and BERNARD changed their names to LITTLE. OWEN became JOHN LITTLE and married JANE MAGUIRE in 1807. The family emigrated to USA. BEGGAN in Gaelic means 'the little people'. This probably makes me a fund of useless information but it may help someone Maureen

Hello fellow Fermanagh Friends, Last year I posted one of two old letters written by my late mother's half-brother, Jimmy, to a brother of my mother in Toronto which I thought was appropriate to be shared with each of you on the occasion of November 11th. I received many e-mails expressing appreciation for my sharing that letter with this group. For those who may be new to the group since last November I am sending along both letters this year. I hope reading both letters will be a thought provoking addition to your reflections on meaning of November 11th. James Henderson Born: 1893 Belfast, Ireland Died: 1981 Hastings, England "I came from Canada December 1914, came across the Atlantic. And we landed in Avonmouth, Bristol, South England, 3 weeks there, and came to Sandling Camp Clearings Military Camp. A week's rest then went to Folkestone in Kent, England. Across the English Channel to Boulogne, France, then we had a three day march day and night but had rest for meals and an odd rest for a sleep, until we arrive near Ypres on the Belgium front, had a weeks rest, and then went into the Ypres Salient. We were about 25 yards from the enemy, he was in his trenches and we were in ours. So about a week there, then came the hard part, we went over the top and took the first trench, we consolidate and made ourself protected from bullets and shells, and next morning they started to shell us. And then they attack us and we both lost heavy, we both so we had to stop to lick our sores. So we were withdrawn to get reinforced, anyway that was the first battle of Ypres 1915. And my first battle of the Bulge. I shall never forget all the sorrows that after that, when I came back to my senses, it seemed like a big dream, then I started to think about Father and Mother also my two Brothers and Sister. O it was an awful feeling I thought my stomach had falling out of me, but I used to look at the stars at night, also the moon and say to myself, the same moon and stars was shinning on my home in Canada, then I would look up at the heavens, and say God bless my home and all within. So there you are, Will, and then as we went on we got hard and brutal, we went out of the civilized world to an animal world. War is evil." "Battle of the Somme - South France This is my last few memories French. We went up to the Somme, and we stop at it town called Albert, it was all flat, nothing but brick rubble, dug trenches right across Albert town, and we were in reserve for one week, not in the Front Line. Before this battle both sides shelled 3 days and three nights. And, Bill, if you know anyone who has been there on the 15 of September 1916 it was a living Hell. I thought this it. I won't be long before I bite the dust. The first morning they use the tanks. We took a Sugar Refinery. First the tanks we used on the Western Front at about 4 o'clock on the morning of 15 Sept 1916. I got my Waterloo. I got really cut up and on the moment I rolled into a shell hole about 10 ft deep and I must have lost too much Blood I could move then as the battle died down the Red Cross picked me up. I must have lyed still on the Battle of the Somme well the wounds I received. I have a nice parting on top of my left side of my head, and that what paralyzed my right side from head to foot. A bullet through my neck come through the back of my throat knock some of my teeth out. 1 [one] Bullet in my right Groin, I had a chunk out of my back. Don't you think I have done very very well? And now I am 80 not doing bad. I can get around a bit and do the shopping. I have to go to London for special treatment once a week and Local Hospital they think I am on the Staff. By the way that Sugar Refinery was at a place call Corslett [Courcelette] that a little town, no more after we had done. Bill you can reright [re-write] this if you wish. That¹s the end of my Story of 1914-1918 War. >From Jim My love to you Both and God watch over you." Jimmy's brother, Wesley Henderson, 18 years old, was killed in action on September 15, 1916. Lest we Forget. Ron Betty Edmonton, Alberta Canada

G'day Listers I'm new to the list and am posting my family interests in County Fermanagh. Elizabeth STUTT was born abt 1842 and arrived in Australia in 1866. In the shipping records she gave her native place as Florence Court Demesne, County Fermanagh. Elizabeth's parents were Archibald STUTT and Mary Ann STUTT (nee EGGLETON). Mary Ann EGGLETON is believed to have been born in England before making her way to County Fermanagh. Would love to hear from anyone who knows anything about this family. Regards Pete in Australia

Hi everyone... I am researching my husband's grandfather (below). Any information you might be able to provide would be most appreciated. Patrick Black b. June 1895 Enniskillen, Co Fermanagh, Northern Ireland d. 21 April 1959 Birkenhead, Wirral, Cheshire, England Married Ellen Brabinder Catherine McMillan, West Greenock Glasgow 1918. I know that he served in the Enniskillen Fusiliers during the Great War. Siblings include James, Danny and Kate, though there might be more (the family was Catholic). It is reported that after the war, he only returned to Ireland, briefly , during 1924. He apparently needed to leave rather quickly and never returned. Kindest regards, Debbie Cartwright

Hello list It's been some time since the Fermanagh Gold website was updated, but it's now got a whole new look and some new information, including the Killadeas cemetery inscriptions. Thanks to John Cunningham, Bill Barber, Gwen Barry and others for contributing their research for others to share. Jan Fermanagh Gold http://www.fermanagh.org.uk This mail was scanned by Norton Anti Virus software before being sent.

A couple of folk asked me about John well please contact him as regards costs yes he did charge me and I was only too happy to pay for the time I spent with him He has written many books about Fermanagh and is a retired school teacher who loves the area of Northern Ireland where he lives and is just full of information Hope this helps Nita Fraser in Australia

Dear Nita, Welcome back. I am not surprised that you had such a great time in Fermanagh and that John Cunningham gave you a great insight into your ancestors on tour. We are indeed fortunate to have such an experienced and helpful historian in the area. Would love to hear a little more about your trip - perhaps you could do a recap for the list! Regards, Helen

I am reposting my interest in kin or descendants of PATRICK KERR and his wife CATHERINE (nee TERRY) who wed in 1832. There is a record of a John Kerr being baptised on 13 January 1841 in Enniskillen Catholic Church. Another son, Charles Kerr b 1837, came to Australia on the "Golden Dream", leaving from Queenstown (Cobh) and arriving in Brisbane on 28 May 1863. Charles married a Mary Ellen Whelan from Co. Kildare in Toowoomba on 22 September 1867. Danny Kerr in Australia

In a message dated 10/24/01 6:47:19 AM, [email protected] writes: << A couple of folk asked me about John well please contact him as regards costs yes he did charge me and I was only too happy to pay for the time I spent with him He has written many books about Fermanagh and is a retired school teacher who loves the area of Northern Ireland where he lives and is just full of information >> John's address is [email protected] He's a great resource and a wonderful tour guide. Also a talented writer! He put together a terrific pageant for the Cassidy Clan Rally in Fermanagh last year. He also is the one who thought up the Fermnagh Presents website. Janet C-S

This is from Pettigo RC Graveyard. The townland of Killynoogan is in Drumkeeran Parish and these may be descendants of your Mc Donaghs. Regards, John Cunningham. MC DONAGH. In loving memory of Michael J. Mc Donagh, Killynoogan, died 15th June 1969 aged 17 years. (Killed in a car accident) His father Joseph died 19th Nov. 1989 aged 73 years. His mother Evelyn died 7th Mar. 1990 aged 86 years. RIP.

I have just returned from Ireland Wow what a trip stayed in B/B in Fermanagh and contacted John Cunningham and I still don't beleive where he took me cemeteries churches townlands and castles where my ancesters came from just can't say too much about the time I spent in Fermanagh so I suggest you contact John and see what he can do for you do it now so he can have time to sort out your request his email is [email protected] Best of luck and I hope you will be as happy as I am after being in John's capable hands Regards Nita in Australia

Hi Nita; It was great to learn that you enjoyed such a wonderful visit to Fermanagh. For the benefit of us less fortunates would you take a moment to explain who John Cunnigham is, what business he is in and what he charges for his services? Thanks Bill nfraser wrote: > > I have just returned from Ireland Wow what a trip stayed in B/B in > Fermanagh and contacted John Cunningham and I still don't beleive where > he took me cemeteries churches townlands and castles where my ancesters > came from just can't say too much about the time I spent in Fermanagh so > I suggest you contact John and see what he can do for you do it now so > he can have time to sort out your request his email is > [email protected] > Best of luck and I hope you will be as happy as I am after being in > John's capable hands Regards Nita in Australia > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp -- William A. Campbell Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Hi Lori: I believe many of the County Council offices can refer you to a local genealogist. Try sending a message to the Secretary of the County Council that Drumkeeran is in. Good luck Bill Lori Michael wrote: > > I am planning a trip to Fermanagh next summer in hopes of finding the graves of my ancestors there. Time is not on my side right now to try to find more information about them before I make the trip. Does anyone know of a professional genealogist who would be able to look up the records I am in need of? I believe James McDonagh died about 1908 and Catherine McDonagh died about 1914. They were from Drumkeeran. The family was Roman Catholic. I would be very intereted in where they were buried as well as any children that remained in Ireland. Thanks for any tips. > Lori > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 -- William A. Campbell Calgary, Alberta, Canada

and I guess that might be what I will open as soon as this mail hits the lists.............and I intend to send it to more than the Ireland_ Genealogy Group that I have set up. I'm not too sure how I will handle the replies though. That I have to think about. Before I begin, I apologise to those who will see this on many lists, I feel there is a need to try and get as much response as possible - *and* I think this will be a long email. Many who know my name have heard me 'whinge' over the years because if I want to publish my graveyard transcriptions then I have to pay for the publication.........and I have to find the people who would want to buy any such publication. Many realise how important gravestones are. Many hear of this or that publication re the area they are interested in and want so badly to get a copy............ Few know of the many publications on gravestone transcriptions that have been done in Ireland. For most cases they have been published in Archaeological and Historical Journals, or even as stand alone Memorial Transcriptions for a county - limited publications, a few donated to various libraries around the world. I am writing this mail because an Ireland_Genealogy subscriber wrote to me telling me of someone who has transcribed a number of parish records for one Irish county - many years work - and who cannot get this published - *because* there is no proof that there are any people who would buy such a publication. I'll tell you a little about transcription works.......for those of you who aren't familiar with records. I once set out to transcribe the parish records for the county I have so many gravestone transcriptions for, I wanted to match everything up (simple amn't I? <g>), I set myself one year at this project. A friend asked me how long it would take - exactly - to complete the whole county and I said I hadn't a clue. How on earth can you estimate something like that? My friend said "You've a brain, you're an analyst - go figure" So, I went in to the National Library the next day and got my film..........I timed myself writing out the first page of each section of the register........the information on each page was different, it took me between 20 and 30 mins to write down what was there. I would have had 8+ separate entries on each page. Then, I counted how many pages were in each register on the film. All in all (and I'm working off the top of my head here) I calculated that it would take me 365 days of 5 hours in the archives to transcribe the material - after that I had to go home and put it all into my computer - and after that, I would have had to print it out and check it all. For all that work, I would have covered somewhere between 8 and 10 parish registers for my one county..........and they were only RC registers - I'd still have had to head to all the other films and all the other religions. Now, I continuously see people talking on the mail lists about Family History Centres here in Ireland, those who have records on film or who are transcribing records - and very few have a nice thing to say about them. I continuously see people refer to the fact that in Ireland, it is young people who had no jobs to whom the transcribing of records was handed over. I know myself, that I have sat looking at the records for a parish and a professional genealogist was standing behind me at the time and that person said something about one of the surnames in the records - and while the surname sounded like the one I was thinking of, it was a different surname...............I believed it to be one name and the other person another - each of us would have written down a different surname if we had been asked what it was. I believe I have some experience with records and script. I know the other genealogist to be a very experienced and knowledgeable person where Irish genealogy is concerned. Who-ever would have been correct is irrelevant for the moment - what is relevant is that you have to be familiar with names in an area. It matters that it was young inexperienced people who did the transcribing of Irish records for those of you who want the information - but it should also be recognised that at least some effort was made to transcribe these records - for most who do manage to employ a Family History Centre here or a professional geanalogist and who do have a surname that can be confused with another - then you know that you need to double check. I would put it to you that Ireland and Irish records are no different than in any other country in the world - that for every country there are probably the same problems - but because you look here and Ireland can be so very far away, it becomes an even bigger problem. Now, many records have been published in the past, in our old journals. Many people today weep and gnash their teeth because there are no records for this or that area - we have had many genealogists or family historians who transcribed our records before the fire in 1922............only few know of these publications. We have many parish records that are not part of the general 'parish record' listing for any county, becasue they simply survive as manuscripts held by the National Library and not as part of the general something donated or filmed and belonging to any religion. Many complain of the lack of interest that the Irish have in their family history. That they hold onto information passed down through generations. I personally have over 60 first cousins on one side - I only know those who were born in the same era as myself - if I even know that many - why would I want to find more relatives? It's the same for all the Irish in Ireland....... But it's not for you. I'm trying to explain us and our attitudes..........while I also want to get something else across. Here in Ireland, genealogy is not recognised as being all that important...........we have other things to do. Most complain about the few Irish in Ireland they will find on mail lists - that those few who do lurk are not willing to help. Few realise how many there are who want information compared to the numbers who have some interest and would help - statistically. My inbox currently has 1000 emails - yet, I have all the county lists I am subscribed to with folders of their own and mail filtered to them. The earliest date on my mail is July 2001. Maybe that says something. (I have computer problems :-)!! When I was big into my graveyards - and the amount of work, time, energy, and even visible monetory costs that go into the transcribing of one small graveyard is a lot - I contacted various publishers and I was told that there was no interest in graveyard transcriptions. To me, those transcriptions are so important, because I know the kinds of questions you all ask. I know that parish records are so important.............they are what you really, really seek - the basic starting point. You, are the people who seek, some of us Irish in Ireland or Irish abroad are the people who have and who can't publish - *because* we have no inkling, no proof of how much interest is out there. How many people are there who if they knew the parish records for their area were published would buy them...... How many people would buy graveyard transcriptions.......... It's my opinion that there are many, that the rootsweb mail lists and any others only represent a very small proportion of the 'searchers'. I see and hear so many people in the various Irish archives who haven't got a clue on how to do their research.......I think it's something like they're on their way to Ireland and suddenly realise what it means to them and then begin to work on their family history.............. The internet is a very big place - it makes the world so small............but in reality, it's really very small itself - compared to the numbers who want to find their Irish Ancestry. This has been long...........and it may have been in my usual rambling fashion. It just so happens that I am in a position where I may in the future be able to show a publisher whether or not there would be an interest in publications from Ireland with parish record data, with gravestone transcriptions........ I'd like to be able to say all you have to do is tick this or that box and I can work it all out statistically as towhat you want to see published - what you would support - and I mean that word 'support' - there's no point in you saying I'd like to see this or that........and then for you to go asking on the web if anyone has a copy that they'd look up for you. There's no point in you all giving out about Ireland and the Irish here, not if you look to your own country, to those who regardless of reasons make a profit from genealogy. My mothers cousin was over from Washington a few years ago and she brought some genealogy magazines for me - and the main message that was coming across was how much of a business it all is. I've seen many stones thrown our way............and there are so few of us on the web - there's no way we will stand up for ourselves. For once and for all - and for the moment I'll leave it at county basis. two questions then - maybe it can get broken down from here. Records - would you buy them if they were available for your area...........would you encourage your local family history society to buy them? 1. What kind of records do you want? Pure genealogy? The history of the area? Irish stories and history...... 2. Would you buy something even though it did not help you specifically - simply to encourage those with Irish records to publish? 3. I'm only trying to think here - what do the researchers want? What is it you would encourage people to publish? What do you think of the time and effort put in by others - do you actually appreciate what it is you find when you come across one of teh really good web sites - the time put in to the work ot transcribing the material in the first place - of creating a web page?? 4. Or is it really true - what we get for nothing we take for granted - what we pay for we appreciate, and the more we pay then the more we appreciate? It all boils down to economics. That's life............whether we like it or not. I've added numbers to these questions. I would really appreciate it if people would tell me that they think as to the questions/comments with those numbers......to me - not through any list this goes to. Please and thanks. Jane I would appreciate it if you would forward this mail to anyone who you think may be interested in commenting on my questions. I have my family history - and my family..........I would like to show others that there is an interest in Irish family history outside Ireland [email protected]