Fermanagh is adjacent to Co Tyrone and the configuration of the border is worth a look. For example our BOWLES immigrant to Australia was born in Ballinamallard, Co Tyrone but a tombstone in the Ballinamallard churchyard in her maiden surname Megahey (McGahey) led us to a now uninhabited croft in Co Fermanagh, townland of Relachguiness. They are very close and we are inclined to think that we were in the right spot, though have yet to prove it. Incidentally, Armstrong tombstone(s) caught my eye in the same churchyard but I made no transcript. Just noted that Armstrongs were apparently of some account there. Hope the input is some interest if not use. --- Eleanor.

This thread is interesting several ways; We know our Rutledge ancestors lived next door, indeed between two families of Armstrong just south of 1600s Anglo-Scot border; We know our American line came from Virginia or Pennsylvania through Tennessee to Missouri, and on the narrowest of evidence ( never confirmed in any detail ), we think that because our Rutledge line founded and named the town of Tyrone, Missouri, it is about even money that they came to America from the County of Tyrone, Ireland.Of course we cannot write that in stone, but it remains open as a distinct possibility. Don Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Armstrong/Rutledge > Fermanagh is adjacent to Co Tyrone and the configuration of the border is > worth a look. For example our BOWLES immigrant to Australia was born in > Ballinamallard, Co Tyrone but a tombstone in the Ballinamallard churchyard in > her maiden surname Megahey (McGahey) led us to a now uninhabited croft in Co > Fermanagh, townland of Relachguiness. They are very close and we are > inclined to think that we were in the right spot, though have yet to prove > it. Incidentally, Armstrong tombstone(s) caught my eye in the same churchyard > but I made no transcript. Just noted that Armstrongs were apparently of some > account there. Hope the input is some interest if not use. --- Eleanor. > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Sorry I am having an argument with my computer it wouldn't send the file. ANDREW MAGUIRE/CATHERINE MURRAY 22/7/1906 BERNARD MAGUIRE/ELIZABETH MCDONALD 2/5/1878 DANIEL MAGUIRE/ELLEN MCAVINNIE 2/6/1904 EDWARD MAGUIRE/ELIZABETH CASSIDY 14/2/1888 EDWARD MAGUIRE/CATHERINE MCAVINNIE 2/6/1914 JAMES MAGUIRE/JANE DONAGHY 11/11/1865 JAMES MAGUIRE/MARGARET ANN DONELLY 20/4/1921 JAMES MAGUIRE/ELLEN MAGUIRE 20/4/1921 JAMES MAGUIRE/SARAH ANN MAGUIRE 14/8//1878 JAMES MAGUIRE/CATHERINE MULLARKEY 25/2/1868 Flanaghans & Beggans in this family tree JAMES MAGUIRE/MARY SLOWEY 22/11/1876 JAMES MAGUIRE /ROSE DORAN 15/8/1889 JAMES MAGUIRE/MARY ANN FOSTER 22/8/1906 JAMES MAGUIRE/ MARGARET GUNN 29/10/1910 JAMES MAGUIRE/ELLENMCDONAGH 12/5/1871 JOHN MAGUIIRE/MARY HOWEN 21/1/1873 JOHN MAGUIRE/AGNES SHIELS 28/5/1911 JOSEPH MAGUIRE/MARY ANN MCMANUS 24/4/1902 MICHAEL MAGUIRE/ELLEN MCCLUSKEY 25/11/1869 MICHAEL MAGUIRE/ELLEN SWIFT 11/1/1907 PATRICK MAGUIRE/SUSAN ALLEN 8/11/1903 PATRICK MAGUIRE/MARGARET CLEARY 22/7/1865 PATRICK MAGUIRE/ANN FLYNN 4/5/1866 PATRICK MAGUIRE/ANN MCCLUSKEY 13/2/1866 PATRICK MAGUIRE/MARGARET MANN 26/10/1874 PATRICK MAGUIRE/MARY ANN REILLY 26/2/1874 I hold copy marriage certificates for the following JOHN MAGUIRE/MARGARET GUNN JAMES MAGUIRE /MARY SLOWEY JAMES MAGUIRE/CATHERINE MULLARKEY SUSAN MAGUIRE/JOHN BEGGAN 9/11/1895 BERNARD MAGUIRE/ ELIZABETH LEONARD 25/2/1874 BERNARD MAGUIRE/JANE LYNCH 2/5/1878 JOHN MAGUIRE//MARY GALLAGHER 8/11/1876 mAUREEN

No I would not say so, they would come under Co Tyrone records. Maureen

--part1_33.1e146af4.2927e0fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_33.1e146af4.2927e0fa_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Full-name: Jshether Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:30:02 EST Subject: Re: Sense of humour To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Maureen, Bless you. Hang in there. My addition - Parish of Enniskillen - Fermanagh 1796 January. William Hetherington married Chrislian Elliott 1796 Christopher, son of Christopher and Sarah Betty Baptism 1817-William Hetherington of Knock to Isabella Nixon (?) of Moonaght both this parish. Joyce --part1_33.1e146af4.2927e0fa_boundary--

As long as we are on the subject of distances from Enskillen being in Fermanaugh Parrish I would like to see if anyone can satisfy my curiousity on this point. My Armstrongs are said to have come from Fermanaugh to VA in 1734 though more likely they stopped in PA a while first. My Rutledges are said to have come from Tyrone Co. maybe somewhat later. Now there were at least five Rutledge families and that many Armstrongs in Augusta Co., VA circa 1750. In many cases these families intermarried. Back in Fermanaugh marriages between Armstrongs and Rutledges can be found in church records around 1700. Now since Tyrone Co. seems to be as little as ten miles from Enskillen could the Rutledges who show up in Enskillen records have actually lived in Tyrone Co.?

I am pleased to see from recent e-mails to me, that despite the terrible happenings of the last couple of months the subscribers to this site can still have a sense of humour and my fervent hope is that many more will come up out of their grief and shock and I for one look forward to seeing them re-visit this site. Perhaps some of you would join me in posting a few bits of your research to help re-kindle their appetites and curiouity. We all need something to take us out of ourselves, God, another of my grandmother's sayings. Maureen

Iam sure I have seen someone named FARMER searching Irish roots in Fermanagh. If there is someone out there with FARMER /BEGGAN/McGOVERN in their family tree please contact me I have five generations of their ancestry looking at me on my computer down to JOHN FARMER's marriage in 1940. Maureen

Valerie, Thank you, this sort of information is invaluable especially about the Maguires. With respect to our American Cousins a larger number of Irish people emigrated to England, Scotland and Wales than to any other continent. Unintentionally, in many cases, they landed in Liverpool or other English ports and many being illiterate thought they were in America and stayed. Moving to the cotton Mills in Lancashire The railroads in Swindon and of course London. Maureen

Janet, You put it so concisely, that is exactly what I meant, The say Enniskillen but it could be anywhere in as much as a ten mile or even more , radius. Are you sure you are not related to my mother, she always says, 'never use two words when one will do'. As usual I wasn't listening to her. My grandmothers's saying, Pretend your stupid and it's amazing what you learn. Maureen

In a message dated 11/16/01 9:53:32 PM, [email protected] writes: << Another thing to bear in mind when one sees Enniskillen it may well not refer to the Town but the Enniskillen Parish and hence includes the area to the north of both Aghalurcher and Aghavea Parishes and east of the Town. >> In addition, many people might have said they were from Enniskillen, meaning that was the nearest recognizable town, when in reality they lived 10 miles away. Janet

Hi Maureen and Rod: Can you tell me if ENNISKILLEN PARISH, includes the TOWN OF ENNISILLEN? Why I ask, is that I just finished reading the LDS film #0992663, which includes the Parish of Enniskillen and Parish of Inismacsaint and found no names for which I was searching, which had been mentioned in the film of the Old church of Enniskillen. Sylvia, in Virginia

I have been doing this research now for nearly two years and I have learned to my cost , Never discard any piece of information, if it looks remotely pertinent, file it and you will be amazed how often it will fit into the jigsaw months later. Even if it does not help you it may be of use to someone else. IThe other thing, which I am sure is difficult for people who have never been to Fermanagh to realise is that some of the townlands are very small so although born in one townland does not mean that they are married from the same townalnd. I also note on web pages like Ancestry and Family search that Enniskillen is mentioned a great deal as place of birth, but Enniskillen as a residential town is in the scheme of things very small so do not take that as gospel. On the other hand the Town Hall has records of every marriage taken place in Fermanagh from 1862. Also, although there may be a birth record in a family, and you cannot get any further on the name , remember many children died very young and to confuse us even more, often the parents gave the same name to a future child, that one has driven me mad. Maureen

Marriage 16th June 1857 Sacred Heart Clones. John Swift to Catherine Cassidy witnesses John Sweeney......Swift Maureen

Hi Anne, As far as I can make out from my townland map and my knowledge of the area it would be Killylacky but the forge was just over Lacky bridge on the crossroads and on the left on the Newtownutler road. The family lived about 5 miles away near Killyliffer Glebe. They worshipped at St Malachy's Church in Drumswords. I do have a marriage which may be of interest to you. The area is right, William McMahon Carn son of Eugene Mc Mahon and Elizabeth Kelly to Mary Beggan Clones, daughter of Patrick Beggan and Ellen Mc Govern 18th March 1875. They had a couple of children I know of MARY ELLEN m. John McNally and OWEN m. Margaret Mc Adem both marriages in Clones. As you probably know EUGENE and OWEN are the same names. The records for Drumswords Church would be held at Clones although there are bound to be Tombstones for this family in the churchyard there, I would stake my life on it as they were regular church goers and reasonably well off. I have a feeling they also had a Maguire connection but then have'nt we all, if we have Fermanagh roots. I hope this helps Maureen

In a message dated 11/16/01 2:46:51 PM, [email protected] writes: << Can anyone explain why wills of people in Clones parish were registered in ARMAGH in the late 17th century. Why not Fermanagh or Monaghan? >> Sorry about that last one! It escaped before I finished it. Because before 1857, the Church of Ireland had charge of all affairs to do with wills and testaments. Each diocese was responsible for granting probate, but when the estate included property worth more than 5£, then the responsiblity passed to the Prerogative Court, under the authority of the Archbishop of Armagh. (He was the primate of Ireland, much as the Archbishop of Canterbury is the chief cleric in England. Hpe that helps, Janet

In a message dated 11/16/01 2:46:51 PM, [email protected] writes: << Can anyone explain why wills of people in Clones parish were registered in ARMAGH in the late 17th century. Why not Fermanagh or Monaghan? >> Because before 1857, the Church of Ireland had charge of all affairs to do with wills and testaments. Each diocese was responsible for granting probate, but when the estate included property worth more than ∫˜µ≤≥¡™£ ∫

Can anyone explain why wills of people in Clones parish were registered in ARMAGH in the late 17th century. Why not Fermanagh or Monaghan? Maureen

Sorry, my information is from records of Clones Parish. covering Rosslea , Newtownbutler and Clones Maureen

I have just received a few bits and pieces from old Church Records which may interest someone as they took a bit of finding and deciphering as the writing was bad and the ink had run and of course they are Catholic records which is a miracle. 21st November 1826 Hugh Beggan m. Mary McElgun Wit. Pat Mullarkey Mary Cochran [It strikes McElgun may have been abbr. GunN 13th Nov 1835 Michael Beggan m. Anne Sullivan wit. James Beggan Bernard Cassidy 24th Nov 1836 John Beggan m. Eleanor Moan wit. James Beggan Anne Moan 14th Sept.1842 Rose Begganm. Edward Murphy wit. James Graham/Jane Aylmer 26Feb.1844 Thomas Beggan/Sarah Clerkin wit. Charles & Terence Clerkin 29th Aug 1844 James Beggan m.Catherine McCann it. ...Quigley & Anna McCann 16th Feb.1845 Bernard Beggan m. Bridget Lynch w.Bernard Beggan/Mary Lynch 28th Nov.1850 Patrick Beggan m. Ellen Magann? wit.James Devlin Ellen Smyth 12th Jan 1858 Charles Beggan m. Matilda Maguire wit. John Collins Eugene Beggan 6th June 1862 James Beggan m. Anne Tierney wit. Catherine Tierney, Jane McCann 10th 1865 Patrick Grew m. Elizabeth Donagan. wit. James Beggan Catherine Grew I have also got the last will and Testament of Patrick Beggan dated 1892. probate 1899 Cattle Dealer of Clones Parish. which is either hilarious or very sad. He had 8 surviving children and depite leaving a large farm near Rosslea and a house in Clones town he was obviously so upset or peeved at the fact that 5 of his children had emigrated to America he only bequeathed 1 shilling to each of them Children who emigrated were Francis, Kate, Bridget, Anna, I also Have James Beggan will. born 1810 left everything inc. 46 acre farm to his son Bernard but had quite obviously already given his 2 other sons Patrick and Owen a farm each prior to his death. there was probably inheritance tax even then ...wily old devil. I have always wondered where my eldest son gets it from. Maureen