William, Do you know what is on those files Volumes etc. they might be useful to me. Maureen

Marion, Thank you for that, I thought I was losing it... What annoys me is that I have such a lot of Old Fermanagh Names on mine that I was just waiting to fill in the rest of information I have. add some history and maybe a few photographs and put a web page on Fermanagh Gold to help anyone who wishes to look at it. Research costs money and sometimes lots of money so why should whoever is 'hacking in' get the information for nothing or at least without asking. Everyone on this site tries to be helpful to everyone else and it is lovely but this sort of thing is just an invasion of privacy. Maureen

Maureen, I had similar problems with Family Tree Maker. Without a "by your leave" or a "how do you do" I had an enormous family tree put on top of my relatives and I couldn't even find my own family. I was livid, and threatened them with bodily harm. It was finally removed----it could be lurking in there somewhere, however. I don't understand how they do that without permission. Another thing that annoys me is people of one of the names I am searching for is loaded into one of those pages and I know they have nothing to do with me. I can't even get rid of them. Some of my problems are doubtless of my own doing, but...... Best of luck Marion Wood

I am putting my ancesters together using familytreemaker, Can anyone explain to me why and how it is that I keep getting names added to it that I certainly did not put there. How can anyone else get access to this or am I being particularly thick. I am beginning to think that 'the little people are helping me' as whoever is doing it is putting on the correct information. I have just had a great uncle put on there that I never knew existed until I checked with my mother today. Also when I add to the tree a couple of weeks later a 'blue star 'appears beside the posting. I have been looking for a Matthew Beagan for yonks so I have typed his name in today to test this out and you never know THEY may come up with his details!!! There have been other similar 'strange' postings. I know I am searching BEAGAN which transcribes to LITTLE so perhaps I am getting heavenly help....there is probably a few of them up there, at least the priests and nuns of the family.. I would not be so sure of the rest! Maureen

1. Are you copying family trees from CD's. Like vol 5 or 14 or 32.? If so, You are copying the files of someone else who has a list of names, counld not put them togeather but keeps them in his files for future referece. I made this mistake when I submitted my family on CD vol 16.

Don (Boyle) My GGrandfather was a James Boyle, who then had a son (by his first wife) called James, and the dates might fit. As yet I don't know what happened to him/or any details of the first marriage. I think they were RC though, but until I do some more research who knows ? Perhaps the first wife was Protestant, and my GGrandfather converted then reverted !! After this weekend I'm back home for a fortnight, so I'll be able to get back to the research. I'll let you know if I find a connection. Thanks for the info Gail

Don (Kelly) What a lucky shot in the dark. I was aiming the last E Mail at Don Boyle !! Don't know exactly what I did, but then I'm too tired to even spit !! As far as I know all my Boyles were located (and still are) in Fermanagh, and in the last generation a large number emmigrated to Pennsylvania. I know the name exists in other Irish counties but even though my lot are very prolific, I don't think they are directly connected. Thanks for the info anyway. Nice to hear from you. Gail

Another element to keep in mind is expressed in the case of one of my ancestors. My gggrandfather, I recently learned, was married more than once. For the early settlers, mortality rates were relatively high for women giving birth. It was not uncommon for the farmers, who had a farm to run and mouths to feed, to take on a new wife in a time frame that we today might find a distastefully short mourning period for the previous wife. Learning this of my gggrandfather opened up a whole new vista of relatives that I would otherwise never known of. It does however, also shed light on what my elder aunts and uncles meant when they talked of the "feudin cousins". >From: MaureenBatty@aol.com >Reply-To: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com >To: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [FERMANAGH] Age of Marriage, Starting Families >Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:00:34 EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.237.47]) by hotmail.com with Microsoft >SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 29 May 2002 13:02:56 -0700 >Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com ([63.92.80.32]) by hotmail.com with >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 29 May 2002 13:02:10 -0700 >Received: (from slist@localhost)by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id >g4TK0g513857;Wed, 29 May 2002 14:00:42 -0600 >Resent-Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:00:42 -0600 >X-Original-Sender: MaureenBatty@aol.com Wed May 29 14:00:41 2002 >Message-ID: <a2.263ffc5f.2a268d62@aol.com> >Old-To: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 52 >Resent-Message-ID: <SL_2LB.A.9XD.pNT98@lists2.rootsweb.com> >Resent-From: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1896 >X-Loop: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: FERMANAGH-L-request@rootsweb.com >Return-Path: FERMANAGH-L-request@rootsweb.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2002 20:02:11.0217 (UTC) >FILETIME=[B815C010:01C2074B] > >There are two answers to this question. The average age for a man was 25/26 >yrs and 21yrs for a girl and the first baby usually came along nine months >later.This is a good way of ascertaining the marriage date of a couple if >you >have a birth certificate for the child. Where there was emigration it must >be >remembered that the family had to find the money and this probably was not >easy but it was done on the basis that the Son or daughter were going away >to make a better life for themselves and marriage was postponed so that >there >would not be the encumbrance of young children. > > But, many of the male species married much later and to much younger >women. >They waited for 'The Mammy' to die and then married a young woman to keep >them in the manner to which they had become accustomed.ie. be waited on >hand >and foot. > >Maureen > > >==== FERMANAGH Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from a this list, use this address and type in unsubscribe >and send: Action is executed by mailbot. >Fermanagh-L-request@rootsweb.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

It appears that prior to the 1880's my ancestors began to emmigrate from Ireland to either Canada or the US. Obviously, the Famine lead many people to emmigrate, but were there other motivations? Also, why might some be drawn to Canada and others to the US?

Looking at some recent information I received about the date of birth for some of my ancestors, I started wondering about the typical age at which folks got married (during the 1800's). Also, would plans to emmigrate from Ireland factor into seemingly late marriages and/or starting of families?

Using the Griffith's Valuation I learned that my ancestor leased land from Sir Tennent of Tempo Manor. Furthermore, I learned that they are indeed Angelican which leads me to believe they may have been descended from people who were part of the Plantation of Ulster. I am hoping to learn more about when this land was settled and when the lease began and so on. Are there additional resources regarding this subject?

There are two answers to this question. The average age for a man was 25/26 yrs and 21yrs for a girl and the first baby usually came along nine months later.This is a good way of ascertaining the marriage date of a couple if you have a birth certificate for the child. Where there was emigration it must be remembered that the family had to find the money and this probably was not easy but it was done on the basis that the Son or daughter were going away to make a better life for themselves and marriage was postponed so that there would not be the encumbrance of young children. But, many of the male species married much later and to much younger women. They waited for 'The Mammy' to die and then married a young woman to keep them in the manner to which they had become accustomed.ie. be waited on hand and foot. Maureen

Hi, Deb, In my own case, my ancestors came from Ireland to Canada (in the early 1830s) because they could get "lots" of land for very little cost here. Some family members subsequently moved to the US because it was easy to get more land (large families needed lots of farm land for the sons). Also, many Canadians moved to the US to work in the lumber industry. In the 1800s there was lots of movement across the border in both directions. Crossing the border was a very much simpler matter then than it is now. HTH Betty (in rainy Delta, BC)

Cheri, I am a little perplexed as the birth certificate usually gives the mother's maiden name. ie.Mother ..... nee so and so. If you have not got Richard's birth certificate I would not think it would be a major problem as you know the place of birth and TOOMATH is not that common a name in Fermanagh. I would ask the General Registrar's Office for a search in the first instance. Maureen

I am asking for help in locating the biological mother of my ancestor Richard TOOMATH b. 1864 in Lisbellaw. I have e-mailed the Enniskillan town hall in hopes that they may be able to look it up. But so far no answer. If someone could look this up for me, I'd greatly appreciate it. Or maybe someone could give me an idea of where to look. Thanks. Cheri Miller

try Irishorignins.com M

Gail: As the name implies, I am researching the BOYLE family. My ggrandfather James BOYLE, came from Belfast, County Antrim, to Canada in approx. 1844. I have no information on him as to his parents or any siblings. He came to Eastern Ontario, Stormont County, where he met his wife, Eliza CORBETT and married in 1844. Moved from Stormont County, to Hastings County, Ontario. He was Presbyterian. My other relatives, ARMSTRONG, CORBETTS all came from Ireland. Hope this would fit in with your information. Don

I think the Giollafinneans and Maguires didnt like each other to much. Jo

Gail, Boyle and Kelly of Leitrim, Fermanagh, Cavan, Roscommon and Galway are cousins. We don't have the exact year or exact place that they connect, but in 1200 years there was lots of opportunities. I see City Boyle in Roscommon, but haven't had time yet to see what they have on Kelly and/or Boyle or as older version (O'Boyle & O'Kelly). What made you deduce a connection from my name?<GRIN> Slan go foill, do chara Donald O'Collaugh Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: <RICHMONDHEWLETT@aol.com> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 1:52 PM Subject: [FERMANAGH] Re: [Boyle > Don > Are you researching the Boyle surname by any chance? Looks likely from your > surname. I've got lots of info. Let me know. > Kind regards > Gail > > > ==== FERMANAGH Mailing List ==== > There are two other mailing lists for County Fermanagh: > IRL-Fermanagh-L-request@rootsweb.com > Fermanagh-Gold-L-request@rootsweb.com > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/02

From; "The Fermanagh Story" , by Peadar Livingstone, the copy that you sold to me. Page 24 Donall Mor invaded Fermanagh in 1231 and was joined by the King of Fermanagh, Aonghus Mac Giolla Fhinnein. The Mac Giolla Fhinnein were 'taoisigh' of Muintir Pheodachain down till 1452. The peculiar thing is that their genealogy goes back to Cineal Conaill. This would suggest that they hailed from Donegal and that they were planted in Fermanagh as satellites of O'Donnell.