Deb As is the norm, usually the eldest son inherited. Inheritance is the key. They would have to wait for the death of the Father. This would often neccesarily delay marriage as the waiting son would require income to support a wife and family. Often the land to be inherited would not economically support more than one family-the families were often large, and younger siblings did not leave until their own marriages. In addition during the famine the elder children were the first to leave, to potentially pave the way for other members of the family, and importantly in order to generate income that could be sent home to assist the remaining family. There was also ambition, the elder children often wanted to make their own way, and seek out their fortune on the foreign streets paved with gold. Hope this helps Gail

I had problems with FTM and tried their help pages. Joke. automated and kept asking the same (in my opinion) unrelated question over and over. I was not impressed Fixed the problem myself READ THE MANUAL. John Irvine Ottawa Linda Foh wrote: > Have you raised your problems on the FTM help pages? I haven't had your problems but they've been some help in other areas. I've noticed that they don't have many answers about web pages. > > Linda Foh > Saylorsburg, PA > researching Irvine & Humphreys in Fermanagh > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/f/o/h/Linda-P-Foh/ > > ==== FERMANAGH Mailing List ==== > If you want your genealogy page for Fermanagh listed in these taglines, please submit your URL to listmaster at: Fermanagh-admin@rootsweb.com

Have you raised your problems on the FTM help pages? I haven't had your problems but they've been some help in other areas. I've noticed that they don't have many answers about web pages. Linda Foh Saylorsburg, PA researching Irvine & Humphreys in Fermanagh http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/f/o/h/Linda-P-Foh/

Hello, I noticed your note and signature. In your family tree do you have James IRVINE (Fermanagh), daughter Alice (born Fermanagh Co.) who married James BRADLEY (born Tyrone Co.)? Alice and James BRADLEY farmed in North Easthope, ON (near Stratford). Both died c 1920. Regards, Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "John L Irvine" <ec265@freenet.carleton.ca> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 11:49 AM Subject> John Irvine > Ottawa

Hello, Linda, I noticed the name IRVINE in your tree. I have an ancestor named James IRVINE, in Fermanagh, who married Jane DeAZELEY (from a Huguenot family). James and Jane had a daughter, Alice, born about May 15, 1833. Does any of this sound familiar. Regards, Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Foh" <lindafoh@epix.net> To: <FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 11:19 AM > Linda Foh > Saylorsburg, PA > researching Irvine & Humphreys in Fermanagh >

Jrecks510 The McManus you are searching any Elizabeth 's who married a Constantine McKeun (McKeon) before 1840. Verna

to JRECK510: Are there any MARGARET MAGUIRE's in your family, with husband named FITZGIBBON? Rita JRECK510@aol.com wrote: > No, Im with the maguire, McManus McGovern, Dolens. Of course they have to be > the most popular names in the county. O well. > > ==== FERMANAGH Mailing List ==== > If you want your genealogy page for Fermanagh listed in these taglines, please submit your URL to listmaster at: Fermanagh-admin@rootsweb.com

Maureen....In the U.S. Catholics choose a Confirmation name, but it only has religious significance and is seldom if ever used in conjunction with their baptismal name(s). Rita MaureenBatty@aol.com wrote: > Roisin, > > I am glad I stopped you giving up so here is the next bit and it could very > easily fit. > > John McGahy of Lisbellaw died Dec. 8th 1872 aged 83 years. Bridget McGahy > died Sept 5th 1859 aged 63 years. Just one thing I have seen for god knows > what reason Bridget turn to Susan in later records, if that makes sense. > > In Catholic families the child was baptised by whatever name and then later > at Confirmation about age 11yrs they were often given another name > Confirmation name. It has no doubt created chaos form many amateur > genealogists, I know it has for me. I somehow have ended up with two totally > different names to what is on my baptismal certificate. > > I take your point on St Mary's. I have to say I have not found a helpful > parish priest yet! but as I said earlier the birth and marriage records for > Aghalurcher and Aghavea parish have been transcribed but that is as far as > they have got...nothing as helpful as putting them out to the FHC. You could > try Dublin but hang on for a wee while and maybe I can help. I have spent > months looking for a Matthew in my own line so I what difference will one > more make, at least I am not likely to forget it. > > Have a good weekend > > Maureen > > ==== FERMANAGH Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from a this list, use this address and type in unsubscribe and send: Action is executed by mailbot. > Fermanagh-L-request@rootsweb.com

Hi James: I am fine. We probably will be related somewhere along the line with both Maguire and Dolan. I cant figure out where the Dolans come in but I know that I have a cousin Annie Dolan in Fermanagh not far from the rest of the relatives. This past trip to Ireland my cousin Mary and I found out that we are also related to the Mcgoverns somehow. A cousin Dermott took us up to a cemetary and showed us where our g.g.randparents were buried. The cemetary is filled with McGoverns. This was Patrick and Mary McManus that were buried. My G.Grandmother was Annie and she married Thomas Maguire. Some of my cousin Mary's children are coming for a visit this summer. I am looking forward to seeing them again. Their oldest daughter 12 was here last year with Project Children. So James where are you off to now. Any place really neat. I would like to get out to the west coast sometime. I have been to Ariz. Colo., and from Maine to Fla. and a couple other states but I would really like to see Calif and Wash state. Ever been there. Talk to you again soon. JoAnn

Did I ever tell you that my great grandfather, a Maguire, Married a Catherine Dolan, who died. He then married another Catherine Dolan, who was not related to the first one. I have not worked on my family tree in a year. How are you doing?

I received information suggesting that son "Thompson Howe" was his father's beneficiary. Was the eldest son typically named the beneficiary or was there some other "method to the madness??" The reason I ask is that I recently received information from the church providing birth dates for a number of "Howes" and it appears that Thompson is "not" the eldest son. If these birth dates are accurate, it appears that the elder sons immigrated to Canada and Thompson (the younger brother) inherited the land. I wonder "why"?? Has anyone else encountered anything like this? Thanks!

Yes definitely, I posted something about this a few days ago. You will oftet see wills where the Father will leave the house, farm or whatever to ...first to his surviving wife for her lifetime...then will make a smallamount like a shilling to his children who have emigrated. Then the main part to the son who lives at home and a reasonable amount to any other family at home, of which at this time there may only be one son and maybe a couple of married daughters left who it would be expected their husband would take care off. The idea is that he has already raised the money to send his other children abroad to a life where they can better themselves but leaves them the 'shilling' in case they hit on hard times and need help. Rather like the modern equivilent of the husband who divorces his wife , gives her the house etc. but she is also awarded a nominal sum per annum to keep the door open for any need in the future. I am not sure that I have put this very well but I hope you get the gist of it. Maureen

No, Im with the maguire, McManus McGovern, Dolens. Of course they have to be the most popular names in the county. O well.

Roisin, I am glad I stopped you giving up so here is the next bit and it could very easily fit. John McGahy of Lisbellaw died Dec. 8th 1872 aged 83 years. Bridget McGahy died Sept 5th 1859 aged 63 years. Just one thing I have seen for god knows what reason Bridget turn to Susan in later records, if that makes sense. In Catholic families the child was baptised by whatever name and then later at Confirmation about age 11yrs they were often given another name Confirmation name. It has no doubt created chaos form many amateur genealogists, I know it has for me. I somehow have ended up with two totally different names to what is on my baptismal certificate. I take your point on St Mary's. I have to say I have not found a helpful parish priest yet! but as I said earlier the birth and marriage records for Aghalurcher and Aghavea parish have been transcribed but that is as far as they have got...nothing as helpful as putting them out to the FHC. You could try Dublin but hang on for a wee while and maybe I can help. I have spent months looking for a Matthew in my own line so I what difference will one more make, at least I am not likely to forget it. Have a good weekend Maureen

Maureen; Have had similar strange things with family treemaker. what are those blue stars? Also my adopted daughter suddenly became a 3rd cousin or some such, very weird. Never did figure it out. Keep looking! AnneMarie Dunne George

--part1_1a5.306fc26.2a27f16b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_1a5.306fc26.2a27f16b_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <FERMANAGH-GOLD-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yb04.mx.aol.com (rly-yb04.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.4]) by air-yb02.mail.aol.com (v86.11) with ESMTP id MAILINYB23-0530163923; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:39:23 -0400 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by rly-yb04.mx.aol.com (v86.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYB43-0530162946; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:29:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g4UKQ7d24345; Thu, 30 May 2002 14:26:07 -0600 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 14:26:07 -0600 X-Original-Sender: ronton@ntlworld.com Thu May 30 14:26:06 2002 Message-ID: <002901c20816$5f88d1a0$9fc9fc3e@default> Reply-To: "ronton" <ronton@ntlworld.com> From: "ronton" <ronton@ntlworld.com> Old-To: <FERMANAGH-GOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 21:12:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Subject: [FER-GOLD] Catholic Records Resent-Message-ID: <ZYyTn.A.G8F.fro98@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: FERMANAGH-GOLD-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: FERMANAGH-GOLD-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <FERMANAGH-GOLD-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/3223 X-Loop: FERMANAGH-GOLD-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: FERMANAGH-GOLD-L-request@rootsweb.com Has anyone ever asked a researcher for a Catholic Marriage which would have taken place pre 1864 in St. Mary's Maguiresbridge or Lisnaskea. I think the records at some stage were together (just assuming this). I am prepared to pay for a search but wonder if the records do in fact exist. Has anyone any answers. I would be grateful if someone would throw some light on this. The marriage I am looking for would have taken place approx. 1861/63. ==== FERMANAGH-GOLD Mailing List ==== New Virus Threat - links to FREE anti-virus checks and software on the Mail List Help Page http://www.fermanagh.org.uk/listhelp.htm#AntiVirus ********************************************************************** Clogher Historial Society website http://www.clogherhistoricalsoc.com/ --part1_1a5.306fc26.2a27f16b_boundary--

Jo Ann, I may have the wrong person but were you searching a BEGGAN/McQUAID connection. Maureen

I can answer a few of the questions regarding family tree maker, i.e. the blue stars (and yellow stars)... Family Tree Maker has a built-in online search. When it finds a "match", either from a CD or from an online tree it places a star beside the person (blue or yellow depending on a new match or one you've already looked at) in your tree that a "match" has been found for. I have never found their "matches" to be that good - somebody of a similar or same name, but the only real match I ever got was for some of my own info that had been posted online. Now if it went out and broke some brick walls for me, I would be very excited!! Your adopted daughter becoming your third cousin may have been shown as such if you have a line in your ancestry that crossed somewhere. I have several...i.e. two brothers of one family married two sisters of another family, and a couple of generations later cousins marry...yes, it do get strange! I'm my own cousin (there's a song that goes "I'm my own grandpa" and it certainly is not uncommon to have double relations to yourself, your sibs, etc. Now, as for information being loaded into your files, I have a feeling that there must be something "turned on" in your family tree maker program that is allowing this to happen - like it is going out to the "matches" and autoloading them. I have never had this happen, and it certainly would be an unwelcome event. I don't want my hard work being pasted over by something that is possibly not verified, and vice versa, I certainly don't want information that may be private (living persons, etc.) being stolen out of my program and posted somewhere. This will bear some further looking into. Best, Heidi Dundas Oregon, USA

--part1_8e.28aca253.2a27e6e6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_8e.28aca253.2a27e6e6_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <MaureenBatty@aol.com> From: MaureenBatty@aol.com Full-name: MaureenBatty Message-ID: <82.1c48e8f6.2a27e2ed@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:17:49 EDT Subject: Re: [FERMANAGH] Family Treemaker To: williamjflanagan@cox.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 52 Hello William, Absolutely not. Everything in my files is the result of research from original baptism records, marriage records , cemetery inscriptions, family knowledge and family wills. It has all been checked first hand, in fact the only thing I have used other than that has been 1841/51 Old age pension records and as you know that does not give one much . This is why I cannot believ what is going on. Maureen --part1_8e.28aca253.2a27e6e6_boundary--