Eleanor: Good hearing from you. I think that I'd not have inquired about Evans since that isn't a name I have been chasing. Could it have been SKELTON from Donagh or Newtownbutler area? Otherwise I have sent out some messages related to TINNENY, GUNN ETC and concerning some connections in Carrigallen Co. Leitrem. Let me know if any of the above seem to connect -- i suspect it is Skelton and if so would love to follow-up. Rich Richard J. Tinneny 2 Baker House Court Columbia, SC 29223 Phones H 803-736-8459 W 803-738-7764

Jo Ann, Thank you for your best wishes and I felt so proud seeing my twin son meet his bride at the altar in Woburn Abbey. However I started all this genealogy bit because my children have a fairly priveliged life and I would want them to know how different it was for their ancesters. My granddaughter aged 1 yr. is called Lucia but my son, her uncle calls her 'GUCCIA' because of her mother's penchant for products from that particular designer. My ancesters would turn in their graves at the thought of a yr. old little girl wearing 'gucci' jeans and shoes. Anyhow back to serious matters. Maguires. what a lovely lot they are....but perhaps my great grandmother Catherine Maguire bequeathed me something. I now have quite a bit on this name and 'god help us all in trying to differentiate who belongs to who' but let me know what you are looking for and as much information as you can as I do have quite a few records in the Fermanagh area. They are a rum lot and hard to pin down but I have found that cemetery records tend to bring us back to basics and are fairly reliable. Maureen

I am researching the area around Tempo and while I have an Ordnance Survey map of the area, I need something that provides more details. I hope to learn of the location of the various churches and cemeteries, land and so on. Any suggestions? Thanks! Deb Reichert Researching HOWE, HAYDEN (Fermanagh, Canada, NYC)

Civil parish of Enniskillen Religois parish of Pobal In townlands of Edenmore, Demensa and Tullynaglug Main road is from NE to Sw on which we have a Catholic church, Church of Ireland and a Presbyterian house of worship, all in Edenmore.

Hi Maureen: I hope you had a nice day for the wedding. I have been to a few Irish weddings in Co. Fermanagh and Co. Cavan and in both places the witnesses were the bestman and maid of honor. Ihave pictures of them doing so during the wedding which SI think is so nice. Here in the states it is done after the ceremoney and no one sees it happening. Anyway, I just hope you had a wonderful day and enjoyed yourself much. JoAnn

Hi Again James: I use family tree. I know that it probably isnt the best but it is what I started with 4 or 5 years ago. I never went on line with my info because I really didnt know how when Ifirst started. Now there is so much info on both my mom and dads sides that it would just take to much space etc. I would like something differnet my self, something that would let me do it my way a little and for each of my children etc. I am probably asking too much from a program. but if you hear of a good one let me know also. My Irish Grandmother Mary Maguire married a German fellow called Grover Hipple. I have things that go back on that side forever. My mom did that one though. Talk to you again soon JoAnn

Vol 3, pages 726,727; Fera Monach, an ancient territory of about the same extent as the present county of Fermanagh. It formed part of the ancient principality of Oirghialla. IN the temth, eleventh and twelth centuries, the head chied of the territory was O'Dubhdara. The O'Dubhdara's were probably of the same race as the MacGuires, who afterwards became princes of Fermanagh. The latter name in IRISH is Mac Uidhie; sometimes written Maguibhir, which is pronounced Mac Ivir, and has been translated Mac Guire and Maguire. The Mac GUIires took this name from Uildhie, one of their ancient chiefs, and they are of the race Clan Colla, of the same descent as the MacMahons, Lord of Monaghan; The O'Hanlons, chiefs of Orier in Armagh; The O'Kellys, Lords of Ui Mani, in Glaway and Roscommon. In O'Dugans Topography of the twelth century, Mac Uidhie,or Mac Guire, is given as chief of Feara Monach, or Fermanagh, and designated in terms which may thus be translated; "Mac GUire, the chief od hosts, Rules the might men of Manach, At home magnificents in presents, The noblest chief in hoispitality." The following chiefs and clans of Fermanagh, and the territories they posessed in the 12th century, have been collected by O'Dugan in his Topography" 1. O'Maolduin, or Muldoon, chief of Muintir Maolduin and Fera Lurg, know known as the barony of Lurg. 2. Muintir Taithligh, or Mac Tullys, chiefs of Ui Laoghair, Lough Lir, a district which lay in the barony of Lurg, near Lough Erne, towards Tyrone. 3. Mac Duilgen 4. O'Flannagian, or O'Flanagan, chief of Tuath Ratha, a territory which extended from Belmore to Belleek, and from Lough Melvin to Lough Erne, comprising the present barony of Magheraboy. It contained the ancient districts of further Maighe and Magh Niadh, and it's name is still retained by the mountain Tura (Toorah). 5. MacGilla-Finein, or Mac Gillafinnen, chief of Muintir Peodachain of the Port. This territory, on the borders of Fermanagh and Donegal, is still traceable in the name of Pettigo; and he was styled Lord of Lough Erne. 6. MacGilla-Michil, chief of clann Congall and O'Ceanfhoda. Clann Congall lay in Tir Manach. Tirkennedy barony is probably Tir O'Ceanfhoda. The name Mac Gilla-Michill has been anglicised to Mitchell. 7. O'Magleuana, or O'Mulrooney, and O'Eignigh, or O'Heignigh, probably O'Heaneyho were cefs of Muintir Maolruanaidh, and of Maoith Leirg Monach. 8. Mac Domhnaill, or Mac Donnell, chief of Clann Ceallaigh, now the barony of Clankelly. 9. The Mac Manuses, formerly a numerous clan, chiefly in Tirkennedy, who had control of the shipping on Lough Erne, and held the office of hereditary chief managers of the fisheries, under MaGuire. 10, Rhe Mac Cassidys, who were heredatery physicians to the Mac Guires, and many of this name also learned ecclesiastics and historians, amongst whom may be mentioned Roderick Mac Cassidy, archdeacon of Clogher, who partly compiled the " Annuals of Ulster. " 11. The O'Criochans, or O'Creehans, a numerous clan in Fermanagh, many who have changed their name to Creighton. 12. The Magraths, who held some possessions at Termon Magrath, where they had a castle in the parish of Templecarn.

Could someone put me right on this. I have always assumed that the witnesses on the old 1800's marriage certificates were the Bridesmaid and groomsman but yesterday at my son's wedding my husband and the brides father signed the registry ...not their attendants. I then remembered this was the same at my daughter's wedding but until yesterday it had not occurred to me that maybe I had been getting this all wrong and of course the huge difference it would make in my research. Oh just the thoughts of searching her there and everywhere and missing the obvious.! Maureen

Jamesm712@aol.com ............... wrote >> I put it on family.com and they sent me a warning that since I have not used it >> in awhile they were going to erase. I was never able to print it out because >> they won't let you. I'm afraid all that work will go to waste. You could save the pages as HTML images. You can convert HTML to plain text in some instances. (HTML2TXT). If you are unable to save the webpages for some reason, then there are programs that snap a GIF image copy of the webpage, or any screen you wish. (HYPERSNAP). Patrick Traynor, tray@lanset.com TRAYNOR'S Web Page (Irish stuff) http://angelfire.com/my/tray

In a message dated 3/06/02 7:17:46 AM AUS Eastern Standard Time, richard.evans.01@bbc.co.uk writes: > > cheers > > Richard Hullo again Richard - after a long interval. I seem to recall you writing once about your interest in EVANS - perhaps in response to some message of mine about my forebear Nancy LONG (nee EVANS), sister or daughter of a Robert EVANS. Recently I mentioned on the Tyrone list a wish to hear from you because I wish to know more about an EVANS family of Gortmerrion House, Dungannon, County Tyrone. I wonder if you know anything about them? If so could we exchange? I have a little more, though no proof of a link with my Nancy or Robert --- yet?? Cheers --- Eleanor

Trevor & Evelyn Are these Fermanagh marriages of any use to you? 25th November 1864, James EVES m. Sarah McCAFFREY 23rd July 1867, John EVES m. Catherine GALLAGHER 21st May 1896, James EVES m. Ellen BARRY 5th May 1904, Joseph EVES m. Mary Anne ELLIOTT 9th August 1906, William EVES m. Mary MAGUIRE 18th August 1914 Adam EVES m. Jane Agnes McGRANE 6th September 1921, John James EVES m. Mary Anne RYAN cheers Richard PS. I don't have any other info pertaining to the above records > -----Original Message----- > From: Trevor Mills [SMTP:t.c.mills@xtra.co.nz] > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 12:10 AM > To: FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [FERMANAGH] Eves Family New Zealand Connection > > Greetings from Gisborne New Zealand. > Just to let you know that my wife, Evelyn is descended from the Eves > family of Kesh and Ederney, County Fermanagh and she sends grateful thanks > to the work done by John Cunningham, and also here in New Zealand by Anne > Keene, from Whakatane NZ, another Eves family relative we have only found > out about last year. > Evelyn's line is John and Margaret Eves/William and Mary Eves/Robert and > Agnes Eves (came to NZ in 1880)/Edna Eves married name Robertson/ Freda > Robertson married name Scott/Evelyn Scott married name Mills. > It would be great to establish contact with other family members. I have > contacted John Cunningham personally yesterday by e-mail. > Kind regards, > Trevor and Evelyn Mills. > > > > ==== FERMANAGH Mailing List ==== > If you want your genealogy page for Fermanagh listed in these taglines, > please submit your URL to listmaster at: Fermanagh-admin@rootsweb.com This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.

Jim...your site at myfamily.com will NOT be erased if you will simply log in once in a while. Like you, I once received an email saying my site would be erased, but ONLY if I didn't visit the site within the next few weeks. So I did, and everything is still intact. Rita Jamesm712@aol.com wrote: > Hi JoAnn, > Monday I leave for AZ and come back on Friday. The following week I go to St > Louis on Tuesday, leave St. Louis on Thursday for Breckinridge, CO. I leave > there on Monday for San Antonio, where my wife and two of my daughters are > supposed to meet me. We'll be there all week, visiting my son who is in the > Air Force. That weekend I will leave for Houston and be there until Thursday, > then off to Los Angeles. I don't usually do that, but having my family with > me in San Antonio makes it doable.Then back home with no trips planned for > July until the 2nd week when I'll be back in CA. It wouldn't surprise me too > much if we had relatives in the past. I have not had time to go on with my > search. I am only back to my grandparents, LOL, long way to go. I have traced > my wife's family back to many generations, but someone in her family had done > a lot of work. Do you know of a good software program to do a family tree. I > put it on family.com and they sent me a warning that since I have not used it > in awhile they were going to erase. I was never able to print it out because > they won't let you. I'm afraid all that work will go to waste. Hope your > having a good weekend. > Jim > > ==== FERMANAGH Mailing List ==== > Welcome to County Fermanagh mailing list. > Our County website is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirfer2/ > Our Country website is: http://irelendgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/

Thanks to both Linda and John for answering my posts re my IRVINE ancestors. As Linda said, it never hurts to ask! Cheers! Betty

Yes, I have tried to get help from FTM help desk. They were of very little help, until I talked to the 4th person on that desk. She gave me marginal help to the point where I got rid of the gazillion names on that tree. The name that THEY chose to send me that endless tree was my last name, that of my step-father. They could have saved a lot of time and energy if they had asked permission and I could have told them that I wasn't interested in other than relatives. Marion Wood

Please remove from digest list ----- Original Message ----- From: <FERMANAGH-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <FERMANAGH-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 1:00 AM Subject: FERMANAGH-D Digest V02 #139

Greetings from Gisborne New Zealand. Just to let you know that my wife, Evelyn is descended from the Eves family of Kesh and Ederney, County Fermanagh and she sends grateful thanks to the work done by John Cunningham, and also here in New Zealand by Anne Keene, from Whakatane NZ, another Eves family relative we have only found out about last year. Evelyn's line is John and Margaret Eves/William and Mary Eves/Robert and Agnes Eves (came to NZ in 1880)/Edna Eves married name Robertson/ Freda Robertson married name Scott/Evelyn Scott married name Mills. It would be great to establish contact with other family members. I have contacted John Cunningham personally yesterday by e-mail. Kind regards, Trevor and Evelyn Mills.

Joanne Thanks anyway. It was worth a try. I have Elizabeth parent's names from her death certificate, but am brickwalled there. Verna

Hi Verna I dont have anything back that far just Patrick and Mary from the grave stone. That is all. sorry. JoAnn

Hi Rita: Havent come across that yet. I really would like to find someome who knows more then me about my family. I guess we all would. Good luck JoAnn

Hi JoAnn, Monday I leave for AZ and come back on Friday. The following week I go to St Louis on Tuesday, leave St. Louis on Thursday for Breckinridge, CO. I leave there on Monday for San Antonio, where my wife and two of my daughters are supposed to meet me. We'll be there all week, visiting my son who is in the Air Force. That weekend I will leave for Houston and be there until Thursday, then off to Los Angeles. I don't usually do that, but having my family with me in San Antonio makes it doable.Then back home with no trips planned for July until the 2nd week when I'll be back in CA. It wouldn't surprise me too much if we had relatives in the past. I have not had time to go on with my search. I am only back to my grandparents, LOL, long way to go. I have traced my wife's family back to many generations, but someone in her family had done a lot of work. Do you know of a good software program to do a family tree. I put it on family.com and they sent me a warning that since I have not used it in awhile they were going to erase. I was never able to print it out because they won't let you. I'm afraid all that work will go to waste. Hope your having a good weekend. Jim