Does anyone know where I can purchase a good map of Fermanagh. I am looking for a map of Currghmore, civil parish of Drumkeeran. Thanks Lori

I am looking for information relating to my 3rd Great Grandfather. The only information I have which was passed down through the family is that he left Fermanaugh County via Londenberry and arrived in Boston Oct. 14, 1719. He came to the US as a widower with children - there is confusion about whether be brought two or three children with him. The different listings say he came with "William, Robert and Nancy" another account states that William was born in the US. After being in US for a while he married a widow also from Ireland by the name of Mary Kelly. Does anyone know how I can go about checking out this family line? Any suggestions or information is appreciated. Joan Bartlett

Hi Listers Does anyone know anything about the Emerys who owned EMERY'S HOTEL, well-established in Irvinestown in 1925? Or anything, including Christian names, about O. EMERY and J. EMERY who helped put out a fire in Irvinetown's main street in 1913? Regards SANDRA from AUSTRALIA

Hello listers, These two posts were sent to the KERR list by David Kerr and are reproduced here, in their entirety, with his permission. They may be of some interest to those researching KERR in Fermanagh. Best wishes, Valerie Henshaw Melbourne, Australia (P.S. Apologies if this appears twice. I sent it on Feb 5th but it hasn't appeared on the List to date.) Subject: list of some Irish Kerr/Karr/Ker/Keer/Carr wills Date : Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:22:25 -0000 From: David Kerr <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Hello I hope these are of use to someone in their search for Irish Kerr roots. Last night I copied these notes from several books in the posession of the Irish National Library in Dublin. Please be aware that these are not the only wills registered in Ireland, there are a lot more in the National archives in Dublin and in the records offices in Belfast for the 6 counties. The spellings of names & places are exactly as they were typed in the original books (I have made no changes). I always recommend that you check the original source for additional information, remember these are just abstracts & not the actual wills which are held in the National Archives of Ireland If I copy any more wills then I will forward them to the list. Registry of Deeds Abstract of Wills Vol 1 1708-45 Eustace Vol 1 1708-45 Entry First Name Last Name Description of the Kerr person Date Action 201 John Kerr Dublin Gent 3APR 1720 Witness to John Forster 215 John Kerr 2Nov1720 Witness to memorial of Arthur Maxwell ESQ of Drumbeg Co.Down 245 John Kerr Dublin Gent 22APR 1720 Memorial witness of Daniel Forrest 262 John Kerr Dublin Gent 16Sept1722 Trustee for Samuel Cotton 291 John Kerr Dean of the Diocese 18July 1719 His own will of Ardagh/Co Longford Elizabeth Kerr John's widow 18July 1719 named in will Teeny Kerr his daughter 18July 1719 named in will 277 John Kerr Lisnaska/Fermanagh Gent Witness of codicil of Joseph Eccles of Rathmoran 478 William Kerr Servant 15Jan 1731 named in will of David Murray of Corkeeran George Kerr Servant 15Jan 1732 named in will of David Murray of Corkeeran John Kerr Servant 15Jan 1733 named in will of David Murray of Corkeeran George Carr Farmer of Kirkiren 15Jan 1734 Witness to David Murray of Corkeeran 47 Mary Kerr Niece 8July 1710 named in will of Col Christopher Wray of Knockihernane, Co. Limerick Registry of Deeds Abstract of Wills Vol 1 1708-45 Eustace Vol 2 1746-85 Entry First Name Last Name Description of the Kerr person Date Action 225 Andrew Ker ESQ of Portatrave Co. Monaghan 28 ? 1753 his will his lands inclded. Mt Kermell, lisonegallorigh, Fermoyle, Barony cremorne Co. Monaghan Margaret Ker Mrs Pettigrew daughter 28 ? 1753 named in will Alice Ker daughter 28 ? 1753 named in will Robert Ker son 28 ? 1753 named in will John Ker son 28 ? 1753 named in will William Ker 28 ? 1753 Trustee 83 William Ker Farmer of Newcastle 2Jan 1747 witness to memorial of David Charters of Mullaghboy/Enniskeen Co Meath 489 William Ker 11 sept 1772 Witness to John Magill Dublin perukemaker 197 Letitia Ker married to John 18Nov 1756 Witness to James Johnsons will John Kerr married to Letitia 18Nov 1757 Witness to James Johnsons will 6 Hugh Ker brother in law Dublin Merchant 19Aug 1746 witness to John Howison Dublin Gent Hannah Ker nee Howison sister of John 19Aug 1747 witness to John Howison Dublin Gent 610 Sarah Karr nee Jackson daughter 1Dec 1779 named in will of William Jackson of Co Kildare 670 Arthur Carr of Ballaghhenry Co Down 26Nov 1782 his will Arthur Carr his son 26Nov 1782 witness william Carr his brother 26Nov 1782 executor margaret Carr daughter 26Nov 1782 named in will elizabeth Carr daughter 26Nov 1782 named in will Mary Carr his wife nee gibbons 26Nov 1782 named in will Nicholas Carr his father 26Nov 1782 executor 31 George Carr of stonehouse Co. Waterford Gent 20May 1782 his will Thomas Carr his son 20May 1782 named in will 551 George Carr of Dublin 3June 1772 named in will of Richard Beauchamp Co. Kildare 297 John Carr Tenant in town of Ferbane 2feb 1753 Thomas Jessop's will Jeremiah Carr Tenant in town of Ferbane 2feb 1753 Thomas Jessop's will 411 Michael Carr Templeogue/Co Dublin July27 1761 witness to Sir Compton Domville's will 614 Philip Carr deceased 3June 1779 named in Edward Cusack's will Rev Dr Carr Debtor to Edward 3June 1779 named in Edward Cusack's will 273 Thomas Carr clerk 28 Jan 1761 Robert Wily of Co Kildare Registry of Deeds Abstract of Wills Vol 1 1708-45 Eustace Vol 3 1785-1832 Entry First Name Last Name Description of the Kerr person Date Action 516 Lady Charlotte Kerr 26Aug 1819 in will of adam hunter of Balymagarry Co Antrim 70 Isabella Kerr mrs Agar/grand-daughter 21 Dec 1787 Strabane/ Co Tyrone 29 John Kerr Gent of Taunaghmore co Antrim 5feb 1788 executor of JohnMcCulloch 157 Jno Kerr Gent of Taunaghmore/ Drummuel co Antrim 12Mar 1792 owen kennedy's will 369 David Kerr of Cork Rev John Smith's will Dromore Wills 1768-1858 Vol4 Index to Irish Wills -Thrift First Name Last Name Description of the Kerr person Date Archibald Ker Ballymccormick 1825 Henry Ker Gransha 1848 James Ker Gavaghy 1720 John Ker Killeny 1730 Josiah Ker/Kerr liverpool 1833 Adam Kerr Ballysallagh 1802 Agnes Kerr Ballydowgan 1730 Hamilton Kerr 4mile house/ Donaghmore 1824 Henry Kerr Drimnascamph 1754 Hugh Kerr mullaghfarnaghan 1800 Hugh Kerr lurganbane 1849 James Kerr anaghconnan 1772 James Kerr Gransha 1816 James Kerr lurganbann 1827 James Kerr lurganbann 1829 James Kerr lurganbaun 1841 James Kerr drumancloney 1856 John Kerr bellydoogin 1764 Armagh Wills 1768-1858 Vol4 Index to Irish Wills -Thrift First Name Last Name Description of the Kerr person Date John Kerr tullygally shankill 1812 John Kerr ballysallagh 1826 joesph Kerr/Keer drumahadone antrim 1817 margaret Kerr lurganbann shankill Armagh 1825 mark Kerr annochmecownan shankill armagh 1719 mary Kerr aghalee/co antrim 1844 matthew Kerr lurganbann 1842 richard Kerr ballynamoney seagoe 1805 robert Kerr ballysallagh 1847 samuel Kerr anaghmecounan 1790 william Kerr lurgan Armagh 1846 william Kerr banbridge 1847 James Karr quilly dromore 1768-9 John Karr drumlough 1790 Nancy Karr nee mor ballysallagh 1820 john Karr anoughmccounan 1746-7 catherine Carr lesize 1818 hugh Carr gransha 1727 mary Carr/Keer nee bryan 1727 James Carr ballynahinch 1828 richard Carr cloughscelt 1795 rosey Carr drumanagoon 1825 thomas Carr dromore 1828 william Carr tullygally shankill co armagh 1820 Raphoe Wills 1684-1858 Vol5 Index to Irish Wills -Thrift First Name Last Name Description of the Kerr person Date matthew kerr moyle 1845 john kerr portline 1716 Derry Wills 1684-1858 Vol5 Index to Irish Wills -Thrift First Name Last Name Description of the Kerr person Date Daniel Kerr castletoothery killowea 1803 Grizell Kerr widow londonderry city 1717 James Kerr dunboe 1672 James Kerr/carr ardstraw 1766 James Kerr crigadick maghera 1803 John Kerr urbelreagh ardstraw 1753 John Kerr aughasesy 1785 John Kerr aughasesy 1811 John Kerr ballindrate 1844 Marion Kerr londonderry 1670 Owen Kerr drinowen lower longfield 1813 Patrick Kerr stranameagh ardstraw 1779 Patrick Kerr milltown 1849 Robert Kerr stanameagh ardstraw 1753 Robert Kerr drimaony donagheady 1828 Thomas Kerr rabride 1726 Thomas Kerr carnkenny/ardstraw 1767 william Kerr tanlaghtfinlagan moyse 1833 william Kerr tanlaghtfinlagan moyse 1834 john Ker mariner londonderry city 1670 Ninian Ker dardries dunboe 1717 Cork & Ross Wills 1548-1800 Vol 2 Index to Irish Wills -Thrift First Name Last Name Description of the Kerr person Date robert kerr cork 1796 Newry & Mourne wills 1727-1858 John Kerr formerly of rostrevor & carrickhill Belfast 1850 Vicars Index to Perogative wills of Ireland 1536-1810 First Name Last Name Description of the Kerr person Date andrew Kerr Newcastle co meath Gent 1725 andrew Kerr Portrave/co. monaghan ESQ 1753 anna h Kerr linenhall st. Dublin 1810 david Kerr catetallon st london merchant 1779 elizabeth Kerr widow of thimas kerr Waterford seedsman 1768 esther Kerr 1765 Cpt George Kerr of the East India Company Army 1771 hanna Kerr dublin widow 1794 henry Kerr 1793 hugh Kerr dublin baker 1749 james Kerr tullydraw co tyrone surgeon 1749 john Kerr st james middlesex 1720 Hon. John Kerr lord john kerr 1728 john Kerr dublin gent 1748 john Kerr martinstown county west meath gent 1759 margory Kerr summerhill dublin widow 1800 mary Kerr widow cork city 1804 robert Kerr ballyaghrane county londonderry gent 1679 robert Kerr newry co down merchant 1792 william Kerr ballymena co antrim merchant 1756 alexander Ker dublin glazier 1723 andrew Ker ESQ portatrave co. monaghan 1767 elizabeth Ker widow 1723 hugh Ker dublin merchant 1781 john Ker summerhill dub 1797 margaret ker flowerfield co londonderry widow 1798 margaret Ker dublin spinster 1797 Lt col peter Ker of a dragoon regt 1744 william Ker newcastle co meath 1781 Lt John Karr belturbet Co cavan 1767 regards Dave Subject: kerrs in Ireland Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:27:05 -0000 From: David Kerr <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Good Morning I was browsing in the National Library in Dublin last night and found these Kerrs which might help someone Registers of Derry Cathedral (St Columbs/ Parish of Templemore/ Londonderry) 1642-1703 Adam Kerr son of James Ker mariner & Magrett Ker buried 28may1861 page250 James kerr son of james kerr buried 4aug 1681 pages 250& 251 Jane kerr married William dulce june18 1663 page 139 John ker married Margaret fenny 28mar 1665 page 141 John ker -gossip? At baptism june 1663 page 153 John ker son of Thomas ker baptised 26may 1665 page 161 John kerr married mary mccala 21aug1683 page 269 Robert son of john ker & mary ker baptised 13june 1686 page 296 Mary ker widow buried 1jan1686 page 301 Katherine ker buried 24june 1685 page 288 Martha daughter of john ker & mary ker baptised 23nov 1699 page 352 William ker clark of the parish of glendenmond married margret miler 21oct 1679 page 241 Margret daughter of margrett kerr (nee millar) & William kerr buried 29nov 1679 page 242 William ker clark was the minister at several weddings dating 30july 1682 page 259 10may 1684 page 277 9july 1685 page 288 23june 1687 page 304 & a baptism on 24june 1680 page 372 Commoners of Great Britian & Ireland 1836 Vol1 Burke George Ker page437 John Kerr ESQ Page112 catherine kerr page298 Hon William Kerr page298 Katherine Kerr page326 sister of Mark Kerr 1st earl of lothian John Kerr page366 Ker of leintwardine-Burkes landed gentry page 424 Burkes Irish family records page 670 this book contaions more detailed notes of this Kerr family from Fermanagh i have deliberately left out the dates of living people to ensure their rights of privacy. however all this material is published in the above book in the public domain. Edward Kerr of Carrick & legg Co. Fermanagh owned lands in Largylinny married Catherine Faussett children 1)John Kerr of the croagh/Enniskillen b24jan1820 1st wife married 17june 1851 Sarah rogers 2nd wife married 30 apr 1872 jane mary wilkin Jane mary's wilkins children with john kerr of the croagh a)Edward david MBE m ellen hughes m 24mar 1909 children i) john kerr ii)ellen mary gratton kerr b)catherine mary d 17mar 1890 Sarah Rogers children with John kerr of the croagh 2)Maria m12june 1862 d30oct 1916 aged 85 3)Mary Jane kerr 4)Anne b1819 d1917 5)Jane d26June 1911 6)Catherine m 18June 1861 7)Elizabeth d21Dec1907 8) Robert Kerr of Carrick d7sept 1909 married Catherine daughter of John Faussett-his 1st cousin 8july1848 in derryvullen children 1)Anne Jane b3apr 1859 2)elizabeth b 24july 1852 3)maria jane b 12june 1854 4)Edward Kerr of Drumbadeen JP d28sept 1932 m31dec1879 ellen graham in derryvullan 5)sarah ann b11may1862 catherine b 17oct1850, m12may1887 william kerr of Beagh Fermanagh 6)mary anne 7)rebecca b3mar 1869 moved to USA 8)John Faussett Kerr of carrick & derrygonelly b 6nov 1856 m11jan 1911 elizabeth eleanor acheson children 1)william george kerr 2)florence isabella 3)eveline 4)iris maud 5)selena gleadys Robert John Kerr MBE RUC Detective Inspector b 1911 m anne mary weir child 1)Nigel victor kerr m kathleen margaret montgomery child catherine rachel kerr 2)Aubrey Robert Faucett Kerrm Patricia Margaret scott children George mark mannion kerr peter john aubrey kerr nicole michelle joanne kerr some kerr nobility (living in the mainland of the UK- not ireland) listed in Whos' Who Burke's peerage & de Brett's publications Extinct Peerage earls Ker of wakefield p305 Ker of cessford & cavertown barony Ker created 1616 earldom of Roxburgh dukedom of Roxburgh created 1707 Kerr of Nisbet Langnewtown & dolphinstoun Baron 1633 earl of ancrum Ker of newbottle Oxnam, jedburgh, dolphinstoun & nisbit barony 1701 marquis of lothian ker of wakefiled & york ker of kershaugh co roxburgh barony 1821 robert kerr duke of roxburgh 1740s baron ker earl of wakefiled co York(england) d1755 john ker 3rd duke 2nd earl ker, knight of the garter & thistle, groom of the stole d19mar 1804 earldom of Ker expired 1804 robert ker - no issue David John Kerr

Hi all I know this might be a big favour to ask, but I have used the official channels for this with no result. My grandad was born in Belleek but although I could find his baptism record from 3 weeks after his birth, neither the Belfast nor the Dublin Records office could find a birth record for him when I submitted all known details to them. Perhaps someone has access to the records and could do a more intuitive search for all births that particular day, in case his name was spelt wrong (or was even missing). If you are wondering why I need his birth record when I already have his baptism record, it is because I am told I need his birth certificate to apply for Irish citizenship. If anyone knows that this information is incorrect, please let me know! The details are as follows: Name: James PRICE Date of birth: 23 March 1886 Place of birth: Belleek, Fermanagh Father: James PRICE Mother: Annie Langley Nairn PRICE (née ARMSTRONG) He was baptised on 18 April 1886. Thanks, Beccy Get your Free Email and Web Site at http://www.freesite.co.za Report Spam to [email protected]

In a message dated 2/8/01 4:13:14 AM, [email protected] writes: << My grandad was born in Belleek but although I could find his baptism record from 3 weeks after his birth, neither the Belfast nor the Dublin Records office could find a birth record for him when I submitted all known details to them. >> When you got Belfast and Dublin to look for the record, how wide a timespan did they cover? While it was customary to baptize infants soon after birth, sometimes a much longet time elapsed. (Sometimes the church record indicates this.) So I'd look as much as 2-3 years before the baptism, AND include either simply "mae child" in your search, or even the possibility of another name. Occasionally a child is given one name at birth and then is baptised with another, or called by his middle name. Another idea, check the 1901 census, and see how old he is there. You might also check Belleek school records--maybe they recorded his birth date. Good luck! Janet C-S

Hi Jack I also quite recently read that book and, as you said, it did demolish quite a number of Family Myths. What interested me the most was that a large percentage of those Border reivers, who either went over, or were transported, to Co Fermanagh, married into my EMERY FAMILY, emigrated to Australia, where they intermarried all over again.. The Armstrongs, according to Fraser, were the worst reivers of the lot and, being prolific breeders, have heard there was an Armstrong in almost every Irish Family which settled at Kiama, a small Australian south coast township which, back then, was commonly known as "Little Fermanagh". To uncover more of the truth, the follow-up for me will be a book on the Ulster Plantation ie were they willing, or were they pushed? Regards SANDRA from AUSTRALIA

Is there anyone on this list in Ireland or NI who is a lawyer/attorney/barrister? Thanks, Janet C-S

Hi List: Since I just sent this post to my own CASSIDY-L, I thought I'd post it on Fermanagh as well, just in case. My CASSIDY emigrant was Patrick CASSIDY (b 1804) probably in Drumgormly townland, near Derrygonnelly in Co Fermanagh Ireland. He married Mary McCaffrey(b 1816) and moved to the US about 1842 with their 4 oldest children (Peter, Mary, Charles, and my ggrandfather--Patrick Francis b 1841) had 5 more there ( Ann Virginia, Mary Catherine, Elizabeth, Catherine, Edward Francis). (Mary Catherine and Catherine both died in infancy.) Patrick wrote poetry, sometimes under the penname Knockmore. He died in 1894. Mary's cousin, Peter B O Flanagan (b 1807) was from Aghakeerin townland and moved to the US to enter the Jesuits. He became pastor of Holy Trinity parish in Georgetwon, DC. Possible siblings of Patrick are Michael and Francis Cassidy and Bridget Cassidy McBrien (McBrine). Other related families in Fermanagh are Flanagan and Love. I'd love to hear from descendants of Patrick and Mary's other children. Or anyone who has traced descent from the Derrygonnelly area. Janet C-S

Hello, I would like to hear from anyone who is researching McCaffreys from the town of Newtownbutler in Fermanagh. Thank you. Kathy

The Roman Catholic Parish containing Ederney is now known as Culmaine a short version of the original Magherculmoney but in my younger days was always referred to as Black Bog. The original Black Bog Church, about a half a mile from the village is now a coal store with the new Ederney Chapel in the village. The local Parish Priest is Fr. Havlin and he lives in the village of Ederney. Fr. Havlin, Ederney, County Fermanagh, N. Ireland will reach him by post - Telephone 02868631315. Montiagh (correct spelling) is one of the two other churches in his parish about five miles to the north of Ederney. Regards, John Cunningham.

Dear Listers: On the list of churches in Ederney, there is one listed as "Church at Moniagh". Can anyone tell me what and where Moniagh is? Also, I don't get my own messages to the Fermanagh list sent to me. Should they be? Perhaps I am missing a lot of answers to my questions. Mary

Dear All: Dennis Francis was kind to give me the website for the list of RC churches in the diocese of Clogher, but none of them were listed as above. Can anyone else identify which church would have gone by the name of Ederney Blackbog RC Church in 1866? Thank you! Mary McAuliffe Nigro

Mary McAuliffe Nigro wrote: > My ggrandparents, Owen Gallagher and Mabel Monaghan, were married at the > above church in Nov., 1866. Can anyone tell me if the church still exists and > to whom I would write for their marriage certificates and for the baptismal > certificates of their children? ------------------------- This is a list of RC Churches in the Diocese of Clogher as of 1986: http://www.exis.net/ahd/monaghan/clogher-churches.htm Don't see a Blackbog. BTW, I've a grandmother who was from Ederney - JUDGE/McNEELY - hi, neighbor! Dennis mailto:[email protected] Sterling Heights Michigan USA

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Recently, this book was mentioned in the Fermanagh site. The Steel Bonnets, The Story of the Anglo-Scottish Border Reivers By George MacDonald Fraser This book (paperback) is listed in the Winter 2001 catalog of Reading & Writing, from A Common Reader & New York Review of Books. #0503 404 pages US$ 22.95 Orders according to the catalog: 1-800-832-7323 or commonreader.com I have no affiliation with this publisher, however I did read the book several years ago. Included are demolition of several family myths and some factual renderings of history which de-romanticize the era. Many of the families appear, often reluctantly and at sword point in Ireland once the crowns of England and Scotland are united. For those researchers of Scottish families in Ireland this could be an excellent source. This concludes my only foray into book reviews. Jack John M.Shiels Mendham, NJ Researching BESSON,CHARDON (Switzerland 1600-1900 ) SHIEL(S),GALLAGHER(Mayo,Ire. 1700-1900 SCOTT,KELLY(Eng.1800s)(Ire.1700-1800s) KENNEDY,GIBBONS( Eng..1800s/ Ireland 1700,1800s) 10:03 AM February 05, 2001

Hi, friends. I just shifted focus to County Cavan this week. Having spent many profitable hours reading Livingstone's "The Fermanagh Story" I have shifted focus a little to the south and wonder if there is such a scholarly history reference for County Cavan. If so, price and availability, etc. Many thanks. Doug

HI, friends: Now I'm testing another hypothesis and need help from someone like a Michael Clarke of the early 1800s! I would like to superimpose on top of my OS Sheet # 27 map of Upper Lough Erne a map that shows roughly where the lake level was in about 1811, long before it got drained down. That's when my gr, gr grampa Christopher LYTLE/LITTLE/LYTTLE/LIGHTLE who may have been employed/farmed in the north of county CAVAN was courting his bride-to-be who may have been employed in Crom Estate. In their marriage record of 28 Apr 1812, she was of Aghalurcher Parish, and his folks of Rossorry Parish up by Enniskillen. I suspect it may have been more efficient to commute by boat, than to walk or ride horses. Many thanks again. Doug

My gggrantfather was James Elliott, born in 1824. In 1849 he married Martha/Matty Kearns. They had at least two sons - John & Isaac (1849 & 1867). There is a large space between these two sons, so I'm sure there were more children. John married Catherine Hilliard in 1875 in Irvinestown, County Fermanagh. They had seven children: MaryJane/Minnie, Susan, Catherine/Cassie, Martha Jessie, John James, George & Joseph Isaac. Minnie & Cassie came to New York City in the 1890s & George came about 1912 and later moved to Canada. If any of this sounds familiar, I'd love to hear from you. - Jane Dixon Anderson in Connecticut, USA >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: The Brick Wall Department >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:56:54 EST > >Fellow Listers, > It is my turn to pass around my Irish ancestors, to see if anyone >out >there might just be looking at some of the same folks. > My g-g-grandfather was named James Elliott, born about 1792. He >married Anne Jane Dunbar in Dublin in 1834. They produced children, seven >of whom reached adulthood, apparently in Coolcrannel. James died in 1852. >I >am led to believe James had a brother named John , because there was a John >Elliott who acted as guardian of the children until 1859. It was at that >time that the oldest daughter, my g-grandmother, Annie reached age 21. She >married a John Forde (who survived the war in the Crimea) about 1860. >Along >with the second daughter, Margaret, Annie and John emigrated to Canada. > This much has come from old family documents, but I know nothing >of >James or his parents, and when he came to Ireland from Scotland (I am led >to >believe that ALL Elliotts came from Scotland). I know nothing of Anne Jane >Dunbar except that she was born about 1819. I know nothing so far of >Coolcrannel, except that it is nearby to Maquiresbridge. I am all but >certain they were Cof I. I know further, through letters to my grandfather >from the oldest son, John, that he had emigrated to Liverpool, as had his >sister, Mary Jane, > I have learned through reading in this list that there are a bunch >of >Elliotts in the neighborhood , as well as a Dunbar or two. Maybe, just >maybe, one of you knows one of mine. I suspect Griffith's might not be too >helpful, although the land remained in family hands for some time. The >Tithe >Applotment might very well help. Our state library has neither. > I have learned much from all of you and am warmed by the generosity >that is displayed in your helping one another. > Cordially, > Marion Wood > Salem, OR > > >============================== >Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life >If you know how to reduce these risks. >http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

--part1_86.673da1e.27aef1b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_86.673da1e.27aef1b6_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Full-name: Marat609 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:45:14 EST Subject: Ederney Blackbog RC Church To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 Dear Listers: My ggrandparents, Owen Gallagher and Mabel Monaghan, were married at the above church in Nov., 1866. Can anyone tell me if the church still exists and to whom I would write for their marriage certificates and for the baptismal certificates of their children? Thanks in advance, Mary McAuliffe Nigro --part1_86.673da1e.27aef1b6_boundary--