In a message dated 2/14/01 6:48:11 AM, [email protected] writes: << Henry Lowe published a "Fermanagh Directory" in 1881. This was reprinted a few years ago, but I don't have the ISBN details to hand. Unfortunately I can't help you with any other info. >> According to "Fermanagh Books, Writers & Newspapers" by Seamas MacAnnaidh, Henry Nathaniel Lowe began his career as a clerk with solicitor Archibald Collum in Enniskillen and became Deputy Clerk of the Peace. Besides the printing business, he was one of the earliest proprietors of the Fermanagh Times. The paper went bankrupt and was sold in 1881. His wife Mary died that same year; she and several children are buried at St Macartin's in EK. He moved to Clonmel, Co Tipperary where he was appointed Deputy Clerk of the Peace for that county. He died there at 4, Ann St., Feb 24, 1905. Hope this helps, Janet C-S

Yes Maureen. I agree 100% --- especially in Ireland, with Irish naming patterns where first cousins all of a similar age may have the same christian name and be living on the same townland at the same time; and have a parent or uncle/aunt or grandparent with the same name. Only for my wife's maiden aunt in London being alive at the time, and sure of her facts, we should have followed a similar incorrect line for that aunt's mother -- we found an English birth registration under her maiden names in the year of her birth & bought the certificate. When it arrived the aunt said "NO! my mother was not born there; she was born in Chelsea". We were sure that she was wrong, but went back to St. Catherine's House & searched the Indexes for the entire year; and about 4 months later found the correct birth at Chelsea! What a good lesson it was to learn at an early stage in our researches. So now, I want AT LEAST TWO corroborating items of proof before accepting that I might be on the right track. Cheers: ray hawkins in sydney australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: Beware of assumptions > I have learned the hard way not to assume that I am on the right track. I was > absolutely convinced that I had my grandfathers line, especially as I had a > birth certificate. It was only a few days ago when I eventually after three > months received his marriage certificate from Dublin that I realised my > mistake. There were two Beggans with the same christian name born in the > same year. I had merrily gone along putting together all his siblings, their > offspring and the supposed great grandparents and their offspring. > > I suppose the only good thing is that I now have a huge collection of Beggans > and I am sure they will all come together somewhere back in the 17th Century. > > > Maureen > > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > > >

Ian, I have a Montgomery who married into my Porteus line (Hugh Montgomery, he married Jane Porteus ). they had several children and then are supposed to have gone to Scotland . Jane was born c.1810-1820. I know this doens't help with your Montgomerys but it's interesting that there was this emmigration back to Scotland. Does anyone know how common this was? I thought most people emmigrated to US or Australia? Helen

Maureen, we hope a lister can answer your question, as we also wonder when and where BEGGAN first got anglicised to LITTLE, especially in Rossorry, Enniskillen, and Aghalurcher parishes. In addition to England, in the 1600s, Dumfries Scotland contained lots of folk named LITTLE, and we are pretty sure some of them moved to Fermanagh. We wonder if my LITTLEs near Enniskillen in 1700s were originally BEGGANs, or did they descend from the Scots. One clue may be that mine pronounced it 'Light-el', and finally changed the spelling to LIGHTLE after emigrating to Upper Canada 1818. Doug

WHEN I LISTED MY ARMSTRONG, JOHN W. ARMSTRONG FROM FERMANAGH, I PUT DOWN 1924 FOR THE DATE HE LANDED IN NY FROM IRELAND. THAT DATE IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN 1824! SO SORRY BUT I'VE REC'D SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AND SOME ARMSTRONG RESEARCHERS SO MAYBE IT IS ALL RIGHT. YVONNE E. WILLIAMS

Hi John (or is it John-Paul?) If you mean that you need church records to be searched, then you would probably be better advised to use your local mormon/LDS Family History Centre, and to order the relevant films in to view them. When you or a researcher go/goes to PRONI, you order up the same films; so it is better to do it yourself, in your home district. Of course, if you are talking about non-filmed records which PRONI holds, then: yes, you would need a local researcher. Good luck: ray hawkins in sydney australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: Research > Hi Fellow Listers, > > I am researching my wife's ancestry in Co. Fermanagh. She was born Deirdre > Herbert in Enniskillen and her grandfather was Richard Herbert, born in > Clonfad, a Townland near Clones. I have now reached a point where I need > somebody to visit PRONI in Belfast and find and copy some records for me. Of > course I expect to pay a researcher to do this for me, and I wondered if any > of you could recommend anybody. > > John Paul > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > >

I have learned the hard way not to assume that I am on the right track. I was absolutely convinced that I had my grandfathers line, especially as I had a birth certificate. It was only a few days ago when I eventually after three months received his marriage certificate from Dublin that I realised my mistake. There were two Beggans with the same christian name born in the same year. I had merrily gone along putting together all his siblings, their offspring and the supposed great grandparents and their offspring. I suppose the only good thing is that I now have a huge collection of Beggans and I am sure they will all come together somewhere back in the 17th Century. Maureen

I was under the impression that the term 'taking the soup' originated from the famine, when the protestant population offered soup to the starving catholics provided they renounced their Catholic Religion and many Catholics anglacised their surnames at the same time. Can anyone elaborate on this as I have in my research on the Beggans, found the anglacised name LITTLE in the late 1700,s long before the famine. I know that Beggan comes from the gaelic Baighan and that LITTLE is derived from the english translation but when was it first used and why? Maureen

Hi Listers Thanks to all those wonderful people who replied to my email, EMERYS:WHERE ARE YOU? I have not replied to all as yet, but promise to as soon as I re-subscribe. Right now I was forced to unsubscribe because I am up to my armpits in F/Ts of those who married into the EMERY FAMILY, and I keep running out of time to write them up. Regards SANDRA from AUSTRALIA

In a message dated 2/12/01 10:51:10 AM, [email protected] writes: << I believe the John W. ARMSTRONG of our family was born 1799 in Aghalurcher, Fermanagh Co., Parents William and Ellen ARMSTRONG. If I am on the right track, he has 3 Brothers, James, William and Robert. John W. Armstrong emigrated to the US on the "Caroline Anne" and landed in NY 1924. >> Fermanagh people tend to be long-lived, but I suspect this is a mistake.....;-)

Hello, Of all the Listers that come through I have yet to see anyone looking for the Surname ARMSTRONG from Fermanagh. I believe the John W. ARMSTRONG of our family was born 1799 in Aghalurcher, Fermanagh Co., Parents William and Ellen ARMSTRONG. If I am on the right track, he has 3 Brothers, James, William and Robert. John W. Armstrong emigrated to the US on the "Caroline Anne" and landed in NY 1924. I need to learn more about this family so that I can determine if they are indeed the correct ones. The only other John Armstrong I can find in Ireland that is born on that year is from Tyrone Co. How does a person find out for sure? Thanks for any help. Yvonne E. Williams (Florida, U.S.A.)

Hi Fellow Listers, I am researching my wife's ancestry in Co. Fermanagh. She was born Deirdre Herbert in Enniskillen and her grandfather was Richard Herbert, born in Clonfad, a Townland near Clones. I have now reached a point where I need somebody to visit PRONI in Belfast and find and copy some records for me. Of course I expect to pay a researcher to do this for me, and I wondered if any of you could recommend anybody. John Paul

In a message dated 2/11/01 7:54:03 PM, [email protected] writes: << Could anyone please tell me where I might find the records that would tell me exactly when my ancestors left Ireland and came to Hamilton, Ontario? All I know is that it was between 1880 and 1890. Any suggestions would be appreciated. >> If they had stayed in the US instead of Canada, I'd tell you to look for their naturalization papers, because their applications for citizenship would probably have that info. But I don't know if it is true of Canadian records--but maybe worth a try?? Janet C-S

Could anyone please tell me where I might find the records that would tell me exactly when my ancestors left Ireland and came to Hamilton, Ontario? All I know is that it was between 1880 and 1890. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Elizabeth Gibson Hamilton, Ontario

Clones is on Sheet 27 (Upper Lough Erne) of the 1:50,000 series of Ordnance Survey maps. Curraghmore is on Sheet 17(Lower Lough Erne). It is on the Lakeside facing the east end of Boa Island. The parish of Drumkeeran extends into Sheet 12 (Strabane). This series of maps covers all of the island of Ireland with the Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland http://www.osni.gov.uk/ doing the Northern Ireland Maps and the Ordnance Survey of Ireland http://www.irlgov.ie/osi/ doing the maps for the republic. There are 89 maps in all. Maurice Cassidy

And I can recommend the Ordnance Survey maps of England for anywhere you are looking. I bought several when I was in Wiltshire last October looking for ancestors, and I have found them to be great sources for looking for places, features, etc. They are on-line at: http://www.ordsvy.gov.uk/ and I have tried there for places in Fermanagh, but haven't had much luck, really, but I don't know how the on-line maps compare to the one you can buy. On their site, there is a link to "Where to buy", where you can enter you country, including the US, so you can find a place to get them. I would appreciate any details about the details of the maps for the far eastern parts, bordering Monaghan, parish of Clones, and if there is a map of similar quality for this county of the Republic, as the OS doesn't have these maps, from what I can tell. David Eyre searching JOHNSTON-JORDAN-HUCHTINSON-LIPTON in Fermanaugh, all ca 1800 in Clones and region [email protected] My genealogy can be found at this link http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=davideyre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Scholan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Maps > Hi Lori, > > I'm not sure where you live or whether you want to buy an old map or a > current one. The four Ordnance Survey maps (1:50,000 scale), the standard > British reference maps, that cover Fermanagh are as follows: > > Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland > ISBN 1-873819-30-7 Sheet 17 Lower Lough Erne > ISBN 1-873819-15-3 Sheet 18 Enniskillen > ISBN 1-873819-18-8 Sheet 26 Lough Allen > ISBN 1-873819-19-6 Sheet 27 Upper Lough Erne > > These cost about 5 pounds sterling and should be orderable from any good > bookshop worldwide. > > The four sheets form a grid, centred on Enniskillen, so you should be able > to look at PRONI web site to locate your parish in Fermanagh and get the > appropriate sheet. > > 17 18 > x Enniskillen > 26 27 > > Regards, > Andrew. > > PS. There's also a tiny bit of Fernanagh on Sheet 12 but I don't know the > details of that sheet. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lori Michael <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 4:06 PM > Subject: Maps > > > > Does anyone know where I can purchase a good map of Fermanagh. I am > looking for a map of Currghmore, civil parish of Drumkeeran. Thanks > > Lori > > > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > >

Hi, I am knew to the list. I am looking for information on my grandmother Mary McCaffrey. She was born about 1865. Her parents were Charles and Ann McManus. She came to the US in 1879,married Michael Cassidy and lived in Charlestown, Mass. Thank you. John. [email protected]

Hi Listers: Recently several people have asked about detailed maps. While I'm sure there must be other places in the US to get them, one place I know (and one with a website to learn more) is the Irish Genealogical So, Intl. PO Box 16585 St Paul, MN 55116 The maps are $8.00 each, plus shipping of $1.00 for 1st map and .50 ea add. map. You can find details of which map covers where at their website: www.rootsweb.com/~irish Follow the links: IGSI Resources> IGSI Bookstore> Maps for Sale For Fermanagh I recommend the Discovery Series Maps which are the most detailed--and are beautiful! They include lots of detail--cairns, graveyards, names of townlands (though not townland borders) monuments, almost everything down to buildings and dirt tracks--everything but the cows and the chickens! Incidentally, the GSI also publishes a terrific quarterly newsletter and is an organization worth joining. Have fun! Janet C-S (PS: You may get more than one copy of this if you are on several lists.)

Hi Lori, I'm not sure where you live or whether you want to buy an old map or a current one. The four Ordnance Survey maps (1:50,000 scale), the standard British reference maps, that cover Fermanagh are as follows: Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland ISBN 1-873819-30-7 Sheet 17 Lower Lough Erne ISBN 1-873819-15-3 Sheet 18 Enniskillen ISBN 1-873819-18-8 Sheet 26 Lough Allen ISBN 1-873819-19-6 Sheet 27 Upper Lough Erne These cost about 5 pounds sterling and should be orderable from any good bookshop worldwide. The four sheets form a grid, centred on Enniskillen, so you should be able to look at PRONI web site to locate your parish in Fermanagh and get the appropriate sheet. 17 18 x Enniskillen 26 27 Regards, Andrew. PS. There's also a tiny bit of Fernanagh on Sheet 12 but I don't know the details of that sheet. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lori Michael <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: Maps > Does anyone know where I can purchase a good map of Fermanagh. I am looking for a map of Currghmore, civil parish of Drumkeeran. Thanks > Lori > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

Any assistance with the following people would be greatly appreciated: MONTGOMERY, Elizabeth - b abt 1819, Drumharriff and later moved to Blantyre, Lanarks, Scotland MONTGOMERY, George - b abt 1815, Clay and later moved to Blantyre, Lanarks, Scotland MONTGOMERY, George - m 9 Jul 1842 to MONTGOMERY, Elizabeth (her maiden name is believed to be Montgomery) in Lisnaskea MONTGOMERY, Mary - b abt 1842, Lisnaskea and later moved to Blantyre, Lanarks, Scotland Regards, Ian Marr 10.5m above sea-level at 38°23'15"S by 142°36'04"E I think, therefore, I yam - does this mean I'm a vegetable? Eddress: [email protected] Home Page: http://www.ansonic.com.au/marrtronics/ I can also be found on ICQ - 7894010 List Administrator: FRUISH on Rootsweb.com