Dear Listers Thank you all for the help on this word I rather figured he was some sort of court official or attorney but wanted to know for sure. I do really thank you for all your help. As Seneschal is not a word I was ever familiar with, but have learned a new one today, guess you are never to old to learn. I also found after I wrote original note today that I missed a whole page of this document as the other page was stapled to the back behind two other paper's making me think it was a completely different document. And just like an older cousin Henry told us in a bare bones genealogy by golly John did have a son named Joseph aged 7 it appears and William's son was age 2. Gail

According to the Oxford Dictionary a seneschal was the steward or major-domo of a medieval great house. Not too relevant, but I remember looking at an old stone house for sale in Runcorn Cheshire in England about 1961 when we were house hunting there. It was just below the castle at Halton and was called "Seneschal's House" and a nice house it had been too. [We didn't buy it. Amazing looking back. It was priced about 4000 pounds. A university prof from Liverpool and his wife had it and it proved to be too much for them. Price might be 50 times higher today.] Crawford.

Listers, The following information is "based" on the 1861 Census for the province of Ontario, Canada. Enumeration District, No. 1 Ward in the Township of Dorchester (which is located near city of London, Ontario) I believe the parents Joshua and Anne Johnston and their first five children will have been born in County Fermanagh, probably in the Inishmacsaint or Devenish Parishes area, at least somewhere near Derrygonnelly. I believe the family emigrated to Canada about 1852 and they settled near London, Ontario. Joshua Johnston born about 1809 in Ireland Anne Johnston born about 1818 in Ireland Children: Simon born about 1841 in Ireland Eliza born about 1843 in Ireland James born about 1845 in Ireland John born about 1847 in Ireland Joshua born about 1849 in Ireland Lucinda born about 1851 in Ireland married George McClelland in 1870 in North Dorchester, Ontario, Canada Anne born about 1853 in Canada later known as the province of Ontario Margaret born about 1855 in Canada Adam born about 1857 in Canada Sarah born about 1860 in Canada In the Census there seemed to be numerous people listed living near them with the surname Johnston. If this connects with someone's family, I would be pleased to hear from you. Valerie (McClelland) Anderson Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

on 3/10/01 2:49 PM, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote: > Seneschal A SENESCHAL is a steward in charge of a noble's estate in the Middle Ages. ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA seneschal , French SÉNÉCHAL, in medieval and early modern France, a steward or principal administrator in a royal or noble household. As time went on, the office declined in importance and was often equivalent to that of a bailiff; the office and title persisted until the French Revolution. In Merovingian times the seneschal was subordinate to the major domus, or mayor of the palace, and had charge of the personnel of the royal household. Under the Carolingians he became responsible for organizing the journeys of king or emperor and, by 1071, was the chief officer--steward of the household, head of the army, and administrator of the royal demesne. With the title dapifer he headed the names of those witnessing royal diplomas. By the mid-12th century, however, the office had weakened and become largely honorary. Most of the great French feudatories--the dukes of Normandy and Aquitaine, the counts of Anjou, Poitiers, and Toulouse--had their seneschals. In Anjou and Poitou the title was given to subordinate officials on those counts' demesne. When these provinces became united to the crown after 1203, these officials were retained to perform the same duties as the bailiffs of the royal demesne elsewhere. This was the basis of the later classic administrative division of France into bailliages and sénéchaussées, although in Normandy, Maine, Anjou, and Auvergne the seneschals were replaced by bailiffs. Source: http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/3/0,5716,68483+1+66759,00.html Hope this helps! Sláinte! Richard Kenneth (KEN) Small Calgary, AB CANADA [email protected] Check Calgary Weather here: http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/weather.cgi?Calgary,AB

Hello Lister's Before I get to my question . I have a lease agreement from 1780 between a John Orr and Sir Arthur Brooke . Unfortunately one side was cut off a little so though it looks like John may have had a son but we just can not tell what his name was but William Orr of Ballaghneed in the county of Tyrone did have a son named Joseph . the land between John Orr is bounded and divided between John Orr and Mich. (Small e in right hand corner) McIlroy/ McElroy . In an Irish indenture between John Orr and Sir Arthur Brooke he does have a son Joseph aged two but date cut off that one, two thumb prints looks like name Ann Orr by the smaller of the thumbprints. Now John took out lease's for his life and the two Joseph's at a later date in Carrickapolin . William's son Joseph we have as born about 1780 and John's son Joseph we have as born about 1772, he died in Carrickapolin January 29, 1839 , wife Jane Todd we are told. I am fairly sure that William and John are brother's, with William at some time having also lived in Carrickapolin as he voted there as did John . William's son Joseph married Sarah Graham on March 20, 1802, in Aghalurcher Parish, we have three children listed for them. John I have as married to Ann , one daughter Margaret baptized in 1791 in Fermanagh and William as married to a Mary . Two of William's children baptized in Fermanagh , both daughter's . But question is what is a Senefchal . John was required to pay one sixteenth of his grain crop as a toll or Moulter , of one or more credible witness or Witnesses, to the then Senfchal of the said Manor . Now I changed the f to an s but still the word is not familiar at all to me. Gail

I'm looking for information on the following families who lived in the Rossorry/Enniskillen area in the mid-1800's: WILLIAM AND ELIZABETH BLEAKLEY, Brock Street, Windmill Hill, Enniskillen. William was a grocer and children included James and George. JOHN AND JANE NIXON, farmer in townland of Drummee; children included Mary Anne, Thomas, John, Robert, May and William Alexander. JOHN AND CATHERINE JOHNSTON, farmer in townland of Drummee. Children included John, Mary, Elizabeth Catherine, Ellen and Mary Jane. THOMAS AND MARY ANN or MARY JANE JOHNSTON, farmer in Drummee. Children included Leticia, Mary, William Christopher and Rebecca. Would appreciate receiving any information about these families. Thanks, Nancy

Hi folks: Can anybody add anything to the tidbit below? I'm very interested in finding out more about this Thomas Ferris, and any other Ferris folks in and around Enniskillen during the 19th century and earlier. I'm also trying to find out when the Ferris family came over to Fermanagh from England -- sometime during the Ulster Plantation? Thanks, Dennis Bell Canada [email protected] wrote: > > From: "Pbuddyf" <[email protected]> > Milltown Blaney, property of Thomas Ferris

Drumreask, dwelling of David Wood Milltown Blaney, property of Thomas Ferris Drumenagmore, property of Robert Barton Cosbytown, George Crooke Callow, Mr Rogers Inishway, Mr Johnston Portnacloyduff, Mr Rogers Bunahone, Mr Teevan Monawilkin, Mr Rogers Mr Rogers had 22 farms, His agent was a Mr Foster of Blackslee.

FROM; "Glimpses of Derrygonelly" by William K Parke. page 8 The church at Carrick was built in 1483 by the then Baron Gilbert O'Flanagan and his wife Maragert. he rins of this church are in dangerous condition. In the early days, the Parish of Inishmacsaint extended from Derrygonnelly to Garrison and Finner. People residing in thr Derrygonelly area worshipped in Carrick church and were buried in the graveyard. Near the church at Carrck is a well called "Touber na Soul" or well of the eyes.

Carrick is the old graveyard outside Derrygonnelly where the old church used to be; The following list of names are from a book by Mr W.K.Parke; "Glimpses of old Derrygonnelly". Owen Cox, 1882 Edward Campbell, 1900 Thomas McDohnagh, 1776 Francis Love, 1813 Cormac McManus, 1757 Mary Curen, 1905 Patrick Durous, 1771 Sisey MacLlaghlen, 1742 Patrick Hosey, no date Mary Corrigan, no date Flaherry Maginis, 1799 Brian Love, 1794 Felix Dolan 1870 Sarah Dolan, 1874 Charles Murphy, 1879 Mary Conway, 1895 Margaret Murphy, 1889 Anthony Foy, 1790 Philip MacCafery, 1755 Henry Greene, 1916 James Ovens, 1704, Might be Owens. John Moore, 1788

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John BRUCE, b. c 1797 in Fermanagh (or Cavan), m. c 1822 in Fermanagh to Mary Johnston, b. c 1803. John and Mary and their six children immigrated to Canada on June 12, 1840. John died shortly after arrival and after a few years living in Cavan Twp., Durham Cty., Ontario, Mary and her family moved to the Deavitt's Settlement in Cartwright Twp., Durham Cty., Ontario. On her death, Mary was buried beside her husband in Cavan. Many of their descendants are buried in Deavitt's Cemetery near Blackstock, Durham Cty., Ontario. I would like to connect with anyone researching these names. Ron

Would you please check on the name JOHN L LIDDELL from Boarder's of Scotland. born 1799 thanks Doris Martin [email protected]

Does the name JOHN WOODS and wife LYDIA LYONS WOODS come up in the county of Tyrone? they left Ireland for Canada in the year 1849 as adults with a family of 3 children. Doris Martin [email protected]

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I have a certificate of marriage from New York,1913.For a Joseph Boyd-I don't know who filled it out.Where it states place of birth it reads Farmana.I just thought this was interesting and worth sharing. Ellen

When in Northern Ireland, and if you think you have family there, look in the telephone book. If you are looking for relations and are short of time, Buy the Telephone Directory for the names, addresses and phone numbers.

I have recently returned from a visit to Roslea. During my stay I talked with a cousin, Oliver McCaffrey, who is undertaking over the next three years to record and document verifiable information about families and general matters relating the many surrounding townlands of Roslea. If you are from the area or are a descendant of family from the area and have verifiable information that would further this project, please send it via mail to Mr. Oliver McCaffrey, C/O Roslea Post Office, Main Street, Roslea, Northern Ireland BT92 7PP or reply to me via email and I will forward your information to him. This is a great project that will incorporate information about the townlands and their history which can be shared with all in the future. Thank you. Jim

Hi: Does anyone on the listserve have connections going back to the townland of Goladuff in Newtownbutler, Co. Fermanagh or, to the townland of Killahurk, Carrigallen, Leitrem? Thanks, Rich Tinneny Columbia, South Carolina USA