Hello list Fermanagh Gold has been updated in the last 24 hours and now includes a major work on the Betty Families of Bellanaleck sent in by Ronald Betty. This research includes some 54 documents which have been fully bookmarked and indexed on the web site. Other updates include some Tumath (and variants) from Wendy Backhouse, an additional 2,000 Fermanagh place names from William Flanagan, some Johnston Wills from John Cunningham, the launch of Fermanagh Heritage Tours (John Cunningham's Press Release) and ongoing parents information added to the 1821 Census database results. All these updates are accessible in the Fermanagh Friends area and shown on the Genealogy Contents page which I hope you have bookmarked! The main site entrance is http://www.fermanagh.org.uk Jan Hart Fermanagh Gold providing FREE searchable records for the Fermanagh family researcher.

does anybody know the film numbers for the actual griffiths valuations for County Fermanagh & County Tyrone? NOT the index #'s...

My ggrandmother was Mary McCAFFREY of near Derrygonnelly (probably Lisdead) who married Patrick CASSIDY (probably from Drumgormly) and emigrated about 1841 to WashDC, US. Mary had a cousin named Peter B O Flanagan, who became a Jesuit priest in the US> His family was from Aghakeerin, on the border of Devenish and Boho parishes. It is also known that Mary had several women relatives in DC, 1.) Catherine McCaffrey (b Mar 1848) who married a William KEMP (born in NB, Canada) 2.) Elizabeth ____? (b 1839) who married Francis GALLAGHER in Ireland and emigrated in 1860. Elizabeth supposedly was married before, and had 2 or 3 children. Her husband disappeared and she married GALLAGHER and emigrated to the US before 1867. It is not known what happened to the older children (they may have died young), but she had 3 children with Gallagher (John, Joseph, and Elizabeth Agnes) after they were in the US. These women many have been Mary McCaffrey's cousins or nieces. I'd like to connect with anyone researching GALLAGHER from Co Fermanagh, esp from the Derrygonnelly area. Janet C-S

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Do the Tithe Lists or Flax lists provide any family information for those individuals listed - including son's, daughter's names, etc., perhaps in a separately available document. Any comments would be appreciated. Thank you. Jack Cassidy

Does anybody have this CD? I am thinking about buying it but I am curious if it is just the INDEX to the Griffith's Valuation or if it contains both the index & the actual VALUATIONS? Patrick

I am trying to find the location of Carrick and Dromore on my #17 Ordnance Survey Map of Fermanagh and have only found Carrick House and Dromore Hill between Derrygonnelly and Largalinny. Does anyone know if these two landmarks indicate the whereabouts of these towns? Also, has anyone on the list ever accessed the Ely Papers that deal with the Loftus/Hume/Tottenham families' estates, especially Ely Lodge. Largalinny is listed as one of the townlands in the estate - I wonder if tenants are listed. Was there a militia composed of tenants organised by the estate (especially in the late 1700s to mid 1800s)? I look forward to new insights!

Dear Fellow Listers I noticed that in Digest #47, a Mr. Teevan was mentioned in Bunahone. I am searching for my Teevan ancesters somewhere in Ireland. My James Teevan was born in 1835 and emmigrated to Canada in 1870 along with his wife Elizabeth (McKuen), son patrick and daughter Elizabeth. Griffiths Evaluation shows Teevan's in Cavan & Fermanagh. Death certificates and census records here in the U.S. does not mention the county in Ireland. My only living older relative says they came from Cork. I found on record of them in Cork. I firmly believe that is where they sailed from and since another son was born in 1872 in Canada, I believe that is where they landed. I would appreciate any help or guidance you could give me. I,m really hitting a brick wall now. It seems as if they really didn't exist. Thank you Verna [email protected]

In a message dated 3/10/01 11:03:19 AM, [email protected] writes: << Drumreask, dwelling of David Wood Milltown Blaney, property of Thomas Ferris Drumenagmore, property of Robert Barton Cosbytown, George Crooke Callow, Mr Rogers Inishway, Mr Johnston Portnacloyduff, Mr Rogers Bunahone, Mr Teevan Monawilkin, Mr Rogers Mr Rogers had 22 farms, His agent was a Mr Foster of Blackslee. >> Bud, Could you please give the SOURCE with the wonderful info you give? Thanks, Janet

Please take me off the mailing list. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 6:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FERMANAGH-D Digest V01 #49 << Message: Untitled Attachment >> << Message: Re: Question on a word in a lease >> << Message: Need Help >> << Message: Re: Need Help >> << Message: Re: Need Help >> << Message: Orr and Burnside 1827 >> << Message: New Posting >> << Message: Re: Need Help >> << Message: Re: Need Help >> << Message: Thank You all, Very Much >>

To all of you who have replied on St Peter's location, I thank you very much. I was born and raised in Baltimore. All my relatives lived and died there during the mid 1800's to the present time. I have an original purchase document for a grave site in St Peter's from late 1860's signed by my Great Grandfather Campaigne who was from county .Cavan. I appreciate all those who responded and hope that that I may be able to help each of you in some way in the future.

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Buddy, Go to this site and it has the Baltimore Churches and it looks like they all are on line. http://www.archbalt.org/parishes/parish_list.htm#sectB Ah, here it is - St. Peter Claver, Baltimore (Fremont Ave.) - http://www.archbalt.org/parishes/urban/HarborWest/PeterClaver.htm St. Peter Claver 1546 N. Fremont Avenue Baltimore, MD 21217 Phone: 410-669-0512 Fax: 410-383-8227 Mary McG in Tennessee Happy St. Patrick's Day! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pbuddyf" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: Need Help > Very seldom do I ask for it, But I need help and appreciate what I receive > in return. > > I need an address for St Peters Clavier church in Baltimore, Maryland. > > I also need to know what graveyard they used. I have Campaigne's from > county Cavan buried there who are related to the Flanagans of Fermanagh. > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

All the Catholic Churches I am finding in Baltimore are: Baltimore - Cathedral of Mary Our Queen Baltimore - Our Lady of Victory Baltimore - St. William of York I will keep looking. Mary McG in Tennessee Happy St. Patrick's Day! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pbuddyf" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: Need Help > Very seldom do I ask for it, But I need help and appreciate what I receive > in return. > > I need an address for St Peters Clavier church in Baltimore, Maryland. > > I also need to know what graveyard they used. I have Campaigne's from > county Cavan buried there who are related to the Flanagans of Fermanagh. > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Tammie Thought perhaps you would be interested in this lease !!! Dated January 29, 1827 Lease of part of the lands of Carrickapolan for two lives from the first day of May 26, 1826 The lease is between Henry Brooke and Joseph Orr of Irvey in the Manor of Brookeborough , County Fermanagh, Ireland For and during the natural lives of Joseph Orr , his Heirs, Executors and Administrators and the lives of James Burnside aged about twelve the second son of James and Eliza Burnside of Corlough and James Burnside aged about 14 the second son of ( unfortunately the way it was copied it cut's off part of it right at beginning of the next side but following is how it looks to me ) ? as and Lydia Burnside of Corlough . Now remember I feel that those dates on the headstone for Thomas and Lilly have to be reversed as in no way would it be possible for Lilly Burnside wife of Thomas to be the mother of my GG grandmother Margaret Burnside Orr as the headstone states she is as there is no way a woman in her late sixties could have a daughter but clearly the headstone states THEIR DAUGHTER. And also remember that when Fleming Orr died on the bottom of the stone they had him as born or dying exactly one hundred years before he actually did so. So then they mortared it over and put the right data on the other side with his one small daughter and his wife. Lilly may have been nickname for Lydia , what do you think. Gail

Assuming it's a Catholic cemetery here are a few to try: Holy Cross Cemetery Phone (410) 789-5400 6020 Ritchie Hwy Baltimore, MD Sacred Heart of Jesus Cemetery Phone (410) 284-0648 7401 German Hill Rd Baltimore, MD Holy Redeemer Cemetery Phone (410) 485-4227 4430 Belair Road Baltimore, MD Sacred Heart of Mary Cemetery Phone (410) 285-8229 7501 German Hill Road Baltimore, MD St Matthews Cemetery Phone (410) 633-7042 6104 Odonnell St Baltimore, MD Holy Rosary's Cemetery Phone (410) 288-3634 7305 German Hill Rd Baltimore, MD --- Pbuddyf <[email protected]> wrote: > Very seldom do I ask for it, But I need help and > appreciate what I receive > in return. > > I need an address for St Peters Clavier church in > Baltimore, Maryland. > > I also need to know what graveyard they used. I > have Campaigne's from > county Cavan buried there who are related to the > Flanagans of Fermanagh. > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy > access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/

St Peter Claver Church Phone (410) 669-0512 1526 N Fremont Avenue Baltimore, MD Jim Auchinleck --- Pbuddyf <[email protected]> wrote: > Very seldom do I ask for it, But I need help and > appreciate what I receive > in return. > > I need an address for St Peters Clavier church in > Baltimore, Maryland. > > I also need to know what graveyard they used. I > have Campaigne's from > county Cavan buried there who are related to the > Flanagans of Fermanagh. > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy > access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/

Very seldom do I ask for it, But I need help and appreciate what I receive in return. I need an address for St Peters Clavier church in Baltimore, Maryland. I also need to know what graveyard they used. I have Campaigne's from county Cavan buried there who are related to the Flanagans of Fermanagh.

To add to the meaning of seneschal in it's use in Ireland. My family were seneschals for two estates in Ireland (Portglenone, Co Antrim and Carton, Co Kildare). What they did was much more than just be in charge of the estate. Some of their duties included, collecting of rents, overseeing tenant's disputes, ensuring the repairs and such of the estate. I think its funny that they went from being the biatach for the Maguire's in the early 1600's to seneschals and justice-of-the-peace in the late 1600's for the planter's. Kinda went with the times. Hope this helps. Phil

Sent: Mon 23 April 2001 Greetings Looking for links to the following: Father John EARLY, Jesuit, born 1814, Maguiresbridge. Emigrated to USA in 1833. Founded Loyola College, Baltimore. Became President of Georgetown College, Maryland. Died in Georgetown 1873. James EARLY, convict. Born ca 1827. Charged with cow stealing. Tried in County Fermanagh on 22 June 1852. Found guilty and sentenced to 10 years transportation to Australia. Arrived ca 1855 on the ship "William". Best wishes Frank Early. South Africa.