In a message dated 3/18/01 4:33:40 AM, [email protected] writes: << Around 1814 John EARLY was born to a Catholic family in Maguiresbridge, Fermanagh. In 1833 he migrated to the USA - Maryland I think - where he entered the Jesuit Order. Fr. John EARLY was very active in education and eventually became President of Georgetown College, a post he held between 1858-1866 and 1870-1873. He died in Georgetown in 1873. Anyone out there researching the EARLY family from Fermanagh? >> Frank, My ggrandmother (Mary McCaffrey) had a cousin named Peter B. O Flanagan who also became a Jesuit, just before John Early. Peter was from Aghakeerin, near Derrygonnelly, and emigrated to Baltimore in 1833! I wonder if they came together. Peter became the pastor of Holy Trinity Parish in Georgetown, DC. I got a great deal of info on Peter from the Jesuit archivies in Baltimore and from the library at Georgetown Univ. You've probably already checked there, but if you haven't you should write them! There is a website which lists in detail the contents of the archives, adn you can search by name. The documents which showed Peter's entry into the order contained his parents' names and the names of his siblings. I have a list of the names of men who were professed at the same time as Peter, and your "Johannes Early" is on the same page. He was professed Aug 15, 1836. It seems there were other Fermanagh men who became Jesuits in the US. I wonder --I bet there is a story behind that! Cheers, Janet C-S

Quoting.....Allan Griffith <[email protected] >I'd like to ask this Irish researcg group about the more common or more >likely spelling for two names from Ireland - I have ancestors whose >names are spelled many different ways after they reached the U.S. - so >I'd like to know what is the most likely spelling to find them under in >Ireland. Also where where else might a question like this be better >presented on Email ? > >1.) McGINNIS - (or McGinnes, McGennis, McGannis, etc.) > >2.) FOGERTY - (or Fogarty, Foggarty, Fogharty, etc, etc.) >-- >mailto:[email protected] (preferred address) ============ O'Fhogartaigh anglicized as O'FOGARTY. (But also will be found spelled in every imaginable way). A Tipperary name. See my Website for items on the Fogarty chiefs of old. ============= MacGuinness MacGuinness, together with its variants Guinness, Magennis, MacNeice, MacCreesh and others, comes from the Irish Mac Aonghasa, from the personal name Aonghas ('Angus'), made up of aon 'one' and gus 'choice', which was borne by a famous eight-century Pictish king of Scotland, said to be a son of the Irish god Daghda, and Boinn, the goddess who gave her name to the river Boyne. The surname originated in Iveagh, in what is now Co Down, where the family displaced the O'Haugheys in the twelfth century, ruling over the region down to the seventeenth century. The centre of their power was at Rathfriland. In the sixteenth century they accepted the Reformation, but joined in the later wars against the English and were dispossessed of all their lands. The name is now common in Connacht and Leinster, as well as in its original homeland of Ulster. A southern offshoot of the family adopted the variant MacCreesh, and in Monaghan, Fermanagh and south Down that name was used as an equivalent of MacGuinness. North of the original homeland, in Co Antrim, a similar process occurred, with MacNiece or MacNeice the variant adopted there. The Guinness family who founded the famous brewery were originally from Co Down. -------- In "Irish Pedigrees" by O'Hart, vol. 1; The GUINNESS or MacGUINNESS pedigree: CIONOG was the ancestor of MacAonghuis (aon, "excellent", gus, "strength"), anglicised; MacGuinness, magennis, Magennis, MacInnes, Guinness, Angus, Ennis, Innes, etc, The GUINNESS pedigree in vol. 2 says that Art Ruadh (roe) or Arthur Mac Guinness of Rathfriland, county Down, who is no. 124 on the MacGuinness pedigree of vol. 2 was knighted and assumed the name of Magennis. Sir Arthur MacGuinness in 1623 was created Viscount Iveagh which title he held till 1693. Sir Benjamin Lee Guinness, an oppulent brewer in Dublin was born in 1798. The Mac Aonghuis was chief of Clan Aodha, or Guinness, MacGuinness and Magenis. They had Baronies of Iveagh, Lecale and part of Mourne. They were Lords in Iveagh, Newry and Mourne. ========================= MacAonghusa Hennessy "Angus" (the god of love) Guinness ========= The GUINNESS chiefs are also on my Website. Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. [email protected] TRAYNOR'S Web Page (Irish stuff) http://members.nbci.com/pattraynor/

I've been chasing after my Gaults and Crawfords for some time, (without a whole lot of success!) but now I have a couple of new names, one of them suspected (Wallace) and one quite unsuspected (Tubman). The latter is uncommon enough that I wonder if anyone has seen any around?? William GAULT m. Margaret WALLACE (date circa 1820 - 1825?), and they had a son Thomas GAULT b. 2 May 1829 (in Fermanagh, locality unknown) Henry CRAWFORD (a farmer) m. Rose Ann TUBMAN (date circa 1820 - 1825?) and they had a daughter Helen CRAWFORD b. 23 Mar 1826 (Rossorry, Fermanagh) Given that family data says that Helen was born in "County formana Parish Rossorry" and that Henry's occupation is given as "farmer" in Helen's death cert. in Scotland in 1903, I'm assuming that Rossorry means the rural parish and not the Townland streets right next to Enniskillen. But the main question is - has anybody here seen Tubman? Crawford. "If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties." Francis Bacon

Please reply to the list. I am possibly interested also. Thank you, Ellen >From: "Cheryl" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Looking for a reasearcher >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:46:29 -0500 > >I would like to find a reasearcher in the Fermanagh area to do some >research >for me. Could anyone recommend someone? > >Thanks! > > >Cheryl (Chapman) Cormier >Attleboro, Massachusetts >USA >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 2:00 PM >Subject: FERMANAGH-D Digest V01 #54 > > > > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hi, Does anyone from these families have any connection with the Bannon's of Mt. Drum, Killyculla, Tempo? These families were mentioned as witnesses to the Bannon weddings and I hope they were cousins or married sisters! Thanks in advance, Happy St. Patrick's Day Ellen _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I'd like to ask this Irish researcg group about the more common or more likely spelling for two names from Ireland - I have ancestors whose names are spelled many different ways after they reached the U.S. - so I'd like to know what is the most likely spelling to find them under in Ireland. Also where where else might a question like this be better presented on Email ? 1.) McGINNIS - (or McGinnes, McGennis, McGannis, etc.) 2.) FOGERTY - (or Fogarty, Foggarty, Fogharty, etc, etc.) Finally, since I'm writing, I might as well put in a person query. I've narrowed my search to a couple living in Galveston, Texas in the late 1850s and early 1860s and who probably died early in life leaving young children as orphans. - This couple, named Edmund FOGERTY & Mary Ann McGINNIS - believed married in the 1850s and both born in Ireland. I'm not sure which country they married. At least one child, Jennie Louise FOGERTY was raised in a Catholic orphanage on Galveston Island, during the 1860s & 70s. -- mailto:[email protected] (preferred address) Thank you & sincerely, Allan Griffith, # 1 Jodi Lane, Bloomington, IL, USA 61701 Home phone: 309-828-2059; 2nd choice: 309-829-2063 Alternate address if Bigfoot server is down: [email protected] Note alternate above has only ONE "F"

In a message dated 3/17/01 4:47:09 PM, [email protected] writes: << I would like to find a reasearcher in the Fermanagh area to do some research for me. Could anyone recommend someone? >> The PRONI page has a list of researchers at: http://proni.nics.gov.uk/research/searcher.htm I've never used any of these myself, so this is not a recommendation (or the lack of one!) of any. Personally, I'd be more likely to choose one who is a member of a professional organization (see the asterisks after the names). Good luck, Janet C-S

I would like to find a reasearcher in the Fermanagh area to do some research for me. Could anyone recommend someone? Thanks! Cheryl (Chapman) Cormier Attleboro, Massachusetts USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: FERMANAGH-D Digest V01 #54

Thank you to all who replied to my message. It seems that there is a long wait 7/8 weeks from Enniskillen Town Hall for information but Enniskillen Library has the 1901 census so it could be worth contacting them for census info on your ancestors Wendy (uk)

Hello list I havne't visited Irish Family Records for some time but today I was delighted to discover you can now search their 2 million names (5 databases) on line. Basic search is FREE and then you can choose to purchase full records. Special promotion today is 30% off - St Patricks Day offer! The site is at http://irishfamilyrecords.com/irishrecords/SilverStream/Pages/ircs.html Jan Hart Fermanagh Gold http://www.fermanagh.org.uk

Hi Has anyone got information re the 1901 census? Can it purchased from Enniskillen Town Hall. If so what is the best way of getting it and how much does it cost? Another question - has anyone ever e mailed Enniskillen Town Hall (Fermanagh District Council) I mailed them over 2 weeks ago but haven't had a reply. Thanks Wendy (UK)

Is there anyone out there who may be able to tell me the name and address of the C of I and local rectors name in Newtown Butler, Parish of Galloon, Co Fermanagh. Thanking you Nora in Australia

Dear Group From what I have figured out so far from the leases of the Burnside's in County Fermanagh is that a James Burnside of Corlough as far as I can see had three sons and two daughter's by these leases. In the 1774 lease at Corlough he took out a lease for his eldest son Thomas aged about seven so born about 1766 , his second son  William aged about five in 1774 so born about 1768 and James Burnside took out a lease in 1803 for land in Corlough naming his third son James Burnside aged 28 as one of the lives in the lease making him born about 1774 . Plus rather think that the young George Hoey aged about five and the son of Andrew of Killercren ( has to be Killycreen) and John Delap aged about eight and the son of Joseph Delap of Corrylongford ( has to be Corralongford) are James Burnside's Grandson's so that is why they were included as the other two lives on the lease in 1803.  Note also James Beatty is listed on the 1774  lease with James Burnside and  then in 1818 a James Beatty took out a lease for a William Burnside who is listed as aged about 18 the eldest son of Thomas and Lidia Burnside of Corlough and Joseph Orr aged about 18 ( but age is off by five years he actually would have been only 13 by baptism record) the eldest son of Joseph and Jane Orr of Carrickapolin . Also note that in the 1825 Lease of Ervey by Joseph Orr he gave Joseph Orr, Jr.'s age as about 18 actually he was age 20 by baptism records, Henry was listed as about age 14 by baptism record age 18 and John listed as about 13 would have been closer to 16 by the baptism records.  But Ervey is where Joseph Orr, Jr.  and Mary Ann Burnside where living before leaving Ireland according to the information that Henry put on his genealogy and their children were born there that is the ones born in Ireland. And Henry son of John William Orr and Eleanor Edith Wilson did not know anything about where Joseph and Mary Ann had gone to from Ireland. Also Henry Orr baptized 1807 was living at Ervey when he made out his will.   Point to keep in mind in the 1833 tithes there is a listing for a Thomas Burnside of Corlough with 21 acres.      So If our Thomas did actually die at age 85 on the 16th of DEC 1851 as per headstone it follows that he would be the above James Burnside's eldest son. He would have been old enough to have voted in 1788 . And the James Burnside who also voted at Corlough in 1788 would have been his father.      And there is just something wrong with Lilly's age at death on the headstone. Because this could not even have been Thomas Burnside's mother if he was born in 1766 not unless 9 years old girls were giving birth to children. I can see Lilly as being born in 1773 and dying on the 26th of January 1830 . BuT too much evidence proving she would have been younger then the death age on the headstone. Besides once more I REPEAT  the headstone clearly states THEIR DAUGHTER which I believe is the case from all evidence I have seen.  That aged 73 was meant to have shown that she had been born in 1773 not that she was aged 73 at death as so engraved on the headstone. I cannot see someone else getting credit for being the mother of Margaret Burnside Orr born in 1820 or 1821 depending on when her actual birth month fell. Nor can I see a woman giving birth to a daughter when she is 63 or 64 years of age.      Joseph Orr leased out part of his land at Carrickapolin in 1827 for his life and the two second sons both named James of James and Eliza Burnside, their son James aged about 12 and Thomas and Lydia Burnside's son James aged about 14 . This James very well could have been Thomas Burnside's younger brother James since they are both listed as from Corlough.  It very well could have been that Lydia /Lidia  had more then one given name as my grandfather's generation were given three given names or that she was just called Lilly by family.      Gail

List, Looking for info on : RICE, Edward and father Edward. Living in County Tyrone, Barrony of Dungannon, Parish of Killyman. Son Edward left Ireland in 1736 and arrived in Bucks Co. Pa., USA. Looking for any info on Edward and his father prior to his departure from Ireland. McAloon, Joseph and wife Catherine (Murphy) lived and died in Roslea, County Fermanagh . Joseph born about 1885, died 1951. Catherine born about 1892 , died 1919. Joseph's parents names: Hugh McAloon and Elizabeth (Cassidy). Catherine's parents names: Henry Murphy and Catherine (Mulligan). Looking for any info on the above persons. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Bob Rice from Lancaster Co., PA. USA

The 99th Regiment of Foot ran a bell with me because it seemed to me that's the same regimental number as for those soldiers who were given land grants around Perth in Upper Canada following the War of 1812, some of which I'm trying to shake out of my tree. I looked into this - you can easily be lost and I'm not sure I got all of it straight. Here goes : The 99th Regiment of Foot which was in Canada 1816 was disbanded in 1818. It was also known as "The Prince Regent's County of Dublin Regiment" (and previously the 100th Regiment of Foot from 1804 to 1816). It was later reconstituted in 1858 as "the 100th (or Prince of Wales's Royal Canadian) Regiment of Foot". Another "99th Regiment of Foot" was formed in 1824 . It seems curious, but perhaps absolutely normal that they were recruiting in Clones because in 1832, they became known as the 99th (Lanarkshire) Regiment of Foot, and continued to exist as a separate regimental unit until 1881. This regiment won battle honors against the Maoris in New Zealand 1846-47 and in Pekin 1860. http://www.regiments.org/milhist/uk/bargxrefn.htm Tom (in France) [email protected] sur 14/03/2001 23:40:28 Pour : [email protected] cc : Objet : Re: WADE- FERMANAGH IRELAND In a message dated 3/14/01 3:38:04 PM, [email protected] writes: << As I will be in Ireland in May I was hoping someone could tell me were I might start finding any info on the births of the foll or their parents:- Thomas WADE b abt 1808 George WADE b abt 1806 Robert WADE b abt 1804 Parents of above - Thomas WADE & Annie nee THOMPSON. Army records show they were all born in or around the town of Newtown Butler, Co Fermanagh they joined the 99th r'gment of foot in May1824 at Clones, and served 11 years in Mauritius before George & Thomas came to Australia as guards on convict ships Robert stayed in Ireland. >> Besides army records, what have you already looked at? Have you tried church records? And just for my own interest, where did you find the Army records? And was the 99th a Fermanagh regiment? Janet C-S ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Hi Listers Can anyone tell me which would be the most likely ports used for those leaving Fermanagh to Canada. Thanks Verna [email protected]

Nora Your best bet is probably PRONI (Public Records Of Northern Ireland) in Belfast particularly if they were Protestant. I found the staff to be very helpful there. Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: Nora Wade <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: WADE- FERMANAGH IRELAND > As I will be in Ireland in May I was hoping someone could tell me were I might start finding any info on the births of the foll or their parents:- > > Thomas WADE b abt 1808 > George WADE b abt 1806 > Robert WADE b abt 1804 > Parents of above - Thomas WADE & Annie nee THOMPSON. > > Army records show they were all born in or around the town of Newtown Butler, Co Fermanagh they joined the 99th r'gment of foot in May1824 at Clones, and served 11 years in Mauritius before George & Thomas came to Australia as guards on convict ships Robert stayed in Ireland. > I believe there would be other children of this family and believe another to be John, who was also in the army. > Maybe someone could advise me of the best place to start. I did employ a researcher at one time but he didn't find anything more then what I already had so I know it will not be simple. > > Nora in Wagga Wagga, Australia > > ______________________________

As I will be in Ireland in May I was hoping someone could tell me were I might start finding any info on the births of the foll or their parents:- Thomas WADE b abt 1808 George WADE b abt 1806 Robert WADE b abt 1804 Parents of above - Thomas WADE & Annie nee THOMPSON. Army records show they were all born in or around the town of Newtown Butler, Co Fermanagh they joined the 99th r'gment of foot in May1824 at Clones, and served 11 years in Mauritius before George & Thomas came to Australia as guards on convict ships Robert stayed in Ireland. I believe there would be other children of this family and believe another to be John, who was also in the army. Maybe someone could advise me of the best place to start. I did employ a researcher at one time but he didn't find anything more then what I already had so I know it will not be simple. Nora in Wagga Wagga, Australia

In a message dated 3/14/01 3:38:04 PM, [email protected] writes: << As I will be in Ireland in May I was hoping someone could tell me were I might start finding any info on the births of the foll or their parents:- Thomas WADE b abt 1808 George WADE b abt 1806 Robert WADE b abt 1804 Parents of above - Thomas WADE & Annie nee THOMPSON. Army records show they were all born in or around the town of Newtown Butler, Co Fermanagh they joined the 99th r'gment of foot in May1824 at Clones, and served 11 years in Mauritius before George & Thomas came to Australia as guards on convict ships Robert stayed in Ireland. >> Besides army records, what have you already looked at? Have you tried church records? And just for my own interest, where did you find the Army records? And was the 99th a Fermanagh regiment? Janet C-S

Hello again list! I've been corresponding with Bud Flanagan and Janet Cassidy over a new idea to organise areas of interest in the website, such as a village, parish or barony. Fermanagh Focus is the umbrealla name for this new part of the site with each area being called "Focus on Derrygonnely", "Focus on Clonelly" etc. Janet C-S is willing to provide information on Derrygonnely and I would like to offer Clonelly. This idea is the development of one suggested by Bud some months ago and brought back into discussion again by Janet. Bud has kindly agreed to co-ordinate this project so to start with, I am asking the list if there is a particular geographic area in which you have conducted a lot of research and would like to see it presented as a unit in it's own right. If you would are interested please write to Bud stating which area you would like to cover with an indication of the kind of material you would like to suggest and hopefully contribute. The idea is fairly flexible and we are open to your ideas on how to expand or improve the ideas, but the aim would be to provide focal points of interest in Fermanagh in the website. You can write to Bud at [email protected] Jan Hart Fermanagh Gold http://www.fermanagh.org.uk