A CUTTER would probably indicate that he CUT the TURF or PEAT for fuel. He probably dried it and transported it by cart from the bogs. Enniskillen Town Hall usually sends a photocopy of the original handwritten certificate. The 1862 Griffiths Valuation lists the following KILPATRICKs in Fermanagh: Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, 1848-1864 Kilpatrick, Charles County : Fermanagh Parish : Enniskillen Location : Drumclay Kilpatrick, Jane County : Fermanagh Parish : Inishmacsaint Location : Drumcrow East Kilpatrick, John County : Fermanagh Parish : Inishmacsaint Location : Drumcrow East Kilpatrick, John County : Fermanagh Parish : Inishmacsaint Location : Gortnalee Kilpatrick, Margaret County : Fermanagh Parish : Devenish Location : Drumbeggan Kilpatrick, Robert County : Fermanagh Parish : Inishmacsaint Location : Corgary Kilpatrick, Robert County : Fermanagh Parish : Inishmacsaint Location : Gortnalee Kilpatrick, Robert County : Fermanagh Parish : Inishmacsaint Location : Killybeg Kilpatrick, Thomas County : Fermanagh Parish : Belleek Location : Derrychulloo Kilpatrick, Thomas County : Fermanagh Parish : Devenish Location : Meenagleragh NOTE: DRUMBEGGAN and DRUMCROW EAST. Bill Barber Hudson, New Hampshire -----Original Message----- From: Keith Backhouse [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 11:52 AM To: Barber Bill-CARV22 Cc: FERMANAGH L Subject: Re: DRUMMERON The surname is KILPATRICK The marriage was between James Kilpatrick & Eliza Ellen Tumath 10/6/1891 at St Ninnidh Church Benmore Parish of Innishmacsaint. James was a gardener and his Father John was a cutter. (so far I have only come across farmers so does anyone know what a 'cutter' would be) I have mailed Enniskillen Town Hall and will send for a certificate when I get a reply. Do you know if they hand write a copy or if the original is photocopied. If it is photocopied I could then check the spelling of Drummeron as some listers have suggested it could be Drumaran and I have found one in Cleenish and one in Devenish. thanks for you help Wendy (uk)

Wendy, What is the SURNAME you have the Marriage Record for in Benmore, Parish of Inishmacsaint? I know the ones at Drumcrow. Bill Barber -----Original Message----- From: Keith Backhouse [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 5:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: DRUMMERON can anyone tell me where and what this place is? I have searched proni and several other sites but can't find it. It is listed as the address on a marriage record from Benmore Parish of Innishmacsaint. The bride was from Tully and the groom from Drummeron thanks Wendy ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Hi there. I am looking for info on a Catherine Kerr who married a William Nugent about 1825. I don't know where in the County Catherine was born but the Nugents came from Cleenish Parish. Does anyone have a Catherine Kerr in their files? Any small lead would be appreciated. Elizabeth

There is a townland in County Fermanagh just west of the town of Rosslea (Roslea)called Drumguiff. Is it pronounced "Drum gwiff" or "Drum guff" or some other way? Thanks in advance, Earl Mundy

[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Regarding the Kerr family from Co. Fermanagh, Ireland: -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 11:16 AM To: W.Barber Subject: Re: Robert KERR (1807), James KERR (1770?), John KERR (1745) i believe that the kalamazoo valley genealogical society (kalamazoo michigan) has some rather extensive records on this Kerr family..........you might write to them........the person who did the reseach has died, however i knew him personally and had conversations with him about his ancestry.......which i believed to be scots-irish.....shirley brady johnson, ocala, florida

Chapter Title 1 Early Fermanagh 2 Saints and Christianity 3 Middle Ages(500-1300) 4 Maguire Years(1300-1589) 5 Smaller families & the Church 6 Fall of the Maguires (1589-1607) 7 The Plantation of Fermanagh 8 After the Plantation(1610-1640) 9 The 1641 Uprising 10 Confederate War and its aftermath(1642-1685) 11 William and James (1685-1691) 12 Penal Fermanagh 13 The Hidden Fermanagh (1692-1760) 14 Fermanagh after 1760 15 Struggle for Catholic Emancipation (1800-1830) 16 O'Connell to the Fenians (1830-1870) 17 Farmers and Farms 18 Famine in Fermanagh (1845-1847) 19 Social History, 19th century 20 Religion 21 Education and schools 22 Orange and Green divide (1870-1900) 23 Orange and Green prepare (1900-1916) 24 The Conflicy (1916-1921) 25 The Decision (1921-1925) 26 Consolidation and Depression (1925-1939) 27 The Second World War (1939-1945) 28 Modern Fermanagh (1945-1967) 29 The Town of Enniskillen 30 Post towns and Villages of Fermanagh 31 Fermanagh Families, indexed and details 32 British Families of Fermanagh, indexed and details NOTES AND REFERENCES; Appendix 1, Select Bibliography, 20 pages Appendix 2, Printing and Newspapers, 4 pages Index of persons, 32 pages Index of places, 14 pages My copy was acquired from John Cunningham of county Belleek. It came from L Hall Bookstore in Enniskillen.

CD 188, again FIRST NAME, PARISH, LOCATION David, Derryvullan, Irvinestown on Main st Elizabeth, Clones, Lacky John, Enniskillen, Enniskillen on Water St Thomas,Aghavea, Brookeborough, on Main St.

From: Family Tree Maker program, CD # 188, Griffiths Valuation of Ireland, Fermanagh completed in 1862. CARR surname FIRST NAME, PARISH , LOCATION Unknown , Aghalurcher, Derryhurdin Christopher ,Derryvullan , Drumskea Edward ,Cleenish , Derryvogue Edward ,Derryvullan, Keeran Edward , Drumkeeran, Skea Elizabeth, Rossorry , Laragh George , Aghalurcher ,Tattenaheglish George , Devenish, Kellaghan James,Derryvullan, Drumduff James, Enniskillen, Lettan John, Aghalurcher, Dooross John, Aghalurcher, Tattenaheglish John, Devenish, Tullymargy John, Enniskillen, Camgart John, Enniskillen, Carrowkeel John, Enniskillen, Derrychara John, Enniskillen, Knochmastackan Margaret, Clones, Tattygormican Patrick, Ennsikillen, Killynure Richard, Derryvullan, Moynaghan North Samuel, Aghalurcher, Cornarooslan Samuel, Aghalurcher, Mullynavale Thomas, Aghalurcher, Tattenaheglish Walter, Aghalurcher, Tattenaheglish William, Aghalurcher, Altagoaghan William, Cleenish, Skea

The Book of Ulster Surnames, by Robert Bell. PAGE 31; Carr; This is an English name, meaning 'Dweller by the marsh', from the Middle English (kerr), Old Norse (kjarr), meaning 'wet ground'. However, most of the Ulster Carrs are of Irish or Scottish descent. Carr is used as a synonym of teh Scottish name Kerr in Ulster and indeed in Scotland itself. But most families of this name descend from one of the Ulster septs who so anglicised thier names. In Mayo and the counties adjacent to it, Kerrane, in Gaelic ( O'Cearain), was made Carr, as were, in Donegal, Kilcarr, MacElhar and MacLlhair, themselves anglicesations of Mac Giolla Chathair, "son of the devotee of (St) Cathair'. In county Armagh the distinct Oriel sept of O'Cairre and Mac Cairre were anglicised as Carry, MacCarry and (O') Carr.. The O'Cairre sept was particularly famous in early medieval times when its chief was recorded in the Annuals of Loch Ce as 'stewart of Cenal Aengusa and royal heir of Oilech'. Many of the Carrs and Kerrs of county Monaghan were originally Mac Giolla Cheara, 'son of the devotee of (st) Ceara (of Killahear).

Saw this on another list. -----Original Message----- From: Jeanne [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 5:47 AM Source: GC-Franklin County Pa. Query Forum URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Franklin/14399 Subject: Robert Kerr Surname: Kerr, Arbuckle ------------------------- Hi Patricia, Don't know if you have seen this yet but thought I would pass it along. Marion Co., OH http://www.heritagepursuit.com/mhk1883.htm ROBERT KERR. (Scott Township) (1807) This well-known pioneer of Marion County was born in Mifflin County, Penn., October 27, 1807. and is the son of James and Betsy (Arbuckle) Kerr. The grandparents on both sides were natives of Ireland, named respectively James Kerr and William Arbuckle. Robert Kerr's father was a farmer, and migrated with his wife and family to Knox County, Ohio, in 1818 where he bought a farm of 160 acres in Clay Township. His wife Betsy died on this farm, aged forty-two years; he subsequently sold this farm to his son Robert, and moved to Licking County, Ohio, where he resided with his son-in-law, Aquilla Barber, until his death, at the age of eighty-seven years. Robert Kerr remained with his parents until nineteen years of age, receiving scarcely any advantages for securing an education. This continues on and is rather lengthy. My line is John Kerr 1745, Franklin Co., PA, m Mary Dougherty, son John M. moved to Gallipolis, OH.m. Christina Niswanger. Am still not certain of John 1745 parentage. Jeanne

some are.... Townlands of MAGHERACROSS PARISH within KILSKEERY PARISH Roscor Sheridan for more info on this parish follow the link on my genealogy website... ta All feedback welcome... Ross Beattie 23 Honiton Avenue East Carlingford NSW AUSTRALIA 2118 ph (h) +61 2 9871 1838 ph (w) +61 2 9995 5712 mobile (w) +61 2 402 350 481 fx (w) +61 2 9995 5932 eMail (@ work): [email protected] genealogy HomePage http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/2283 st albans epping : http://www.eppinganglicans.org.au > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Riley [SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, 30 March 2001 07:19 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Kilskeery-Trillick Parish, Magheracross > > Are some of the townlands of Magheracross civil parish in Kilskeery RC > Parish or they all in Irvinestown? I am interested in the townlands of > Ballinamallard and Cavanalough Glebe. Thanks for any help. > > Tim Riley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 4:00 AM > Subject: FERMANAGH-D Digest V01 #63 > > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

In a message dated 3/29/01 10:53:33 PM, [email protected] writes: << but it is a little strange that all of this pro-Celtic/Saxon lore that stormed the British Isles in the seventeenth through nineteenth centuries coincided with potentially harmful threats appearing on Continental Europe, like the Holy League, The Crimean War, and the French Revolution. Robin Hood, Arthur, Alfred, all fighting the evil continental machine. >> I see it more as the theme of the little guy, or the lone and true hero, fighting the overwhelming odds against the huge giant (whether Evil Nobles , the Evil Empire, or a physical giant). Its one that has been a universal theme since David and Goliath (and probably before.) Janet C-S

I think it should also be pointed out, at least for posterity, that Julius Caesar never referred to the Britons, Gauls, or Iberians as Celts. That term was pretty strictly reserved in his usage for one tribal group in Gaul, the Celtoi. It's been a long time since my European history classes in college, but I don't think old Vercingetorix managed to unite all of Gaul either. For some Gauls, it was clearly better to strike a deal with Rome and come out on the better end of things. Not unlike the Britons did later. It's also worth pointing out that quite a few modern historians are debating the early British and Irish histories were Celtic in origin. They don't disagree that there was migration between the Gaul and Britain, Iberia and Ireland, but they debate what impact these cultures had. They also debate whether or not these people were actually the Celts the Greeks were writing about in their early histories. As late as the twelfth century, the Byzantines were referring to the Franks as Celts. The largest deposit of Lateen artifacts is in Switzerland. Make of all this what you will, but it is a little strange that all of this pro-Celtic/Saxon lore that stormed the British Isles in the seventeenth through nineteenth centuries coincided with potentially harmful threats appearing on Continental Europe, like the Holy League, The Crimean War, and the French Revolution. Robin Hood, Arthur, Alfred, all fighting the evil continental machine. Food for thought if nothing else. Stephen Scott

Hi! Janet > Several of the gravestone inscriptions were printed in the Clogher Record. > That journal is published by the Clogher Hostorical Society. Some back issues > are available. See: http://www.clogherhistoricalsoc.com/ It is the out of print Clogher Records that are a problem e.g County Fermanagh: Aghalurcher: Clogher Record, Vol II, NO. 2, 1958. Aghavea: Clogher Record,Vol IV, Nos. I & 2, 1960. See separate E-mail on this topic. Has anyone on this List a hard copy or an electronic copy or is the Clogher Historical Society proposing to re-print items as above? Slainte Rod Warnock

Are some of the townlands of Magheracross civil parish in Kilskeery RC Parish or they all in Irvinestown? I am interested in the townlands of Ballinamallard and Cavanalough Glebe. Thanks for any help. Tim Riley ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 4:00 AM Subject: FERMANAGH-D Digest V01 #63

From: "Stem of The Irish Nation" by John O'Hart, vol 1, p 352. # 41. Tigernmast: 13th Monarh of Ireland, reigned 55 to 77 years. This King, made the law that each grade in society should be known by the number of colours in their wearing apparel.; The clothes of a slave should be One color. , Those of a soldier, Two colours. The dress of a commanding Officer to be Three colours. A Gentleman's dress, who kept a table for the free entertainment of strangers, to be Four colours. Five colours to be allowed to the nobility ( the chiefs). The King, Queen, an Royal Family, as well as the Druids, historians, , anad othr learned men to wear Six colours. This King died 1543 BC on teh Eve of November 1st.

Hi I am researching GILFEDDER and all variations of the spelling, they came from BELLECK.... Is anyone on the list researching this name, . Some of the family moved to Scotland, I have nearly all the births deaths and marriages for Gilfedders in Scotland, would love to share information. Any help would be appreciated.. Regards Ann Poole Dorset England

Fellow Listers Has anyone got a hard copy of these two? Or an electronic entry? County Fermanagh: > Aghalurcher: Clogher Record, Vol II, NO. 2, 1958. > > Aghaven: Clogher Record,Vol IV, Nos. I & 2, 1960. Always hoping Slainte Rod Warnock Kilaben Bay NSW AUSTRALIA

Someone said that Boston College, USA, has every book ever printed in Ireland. Maybe some other Universities or Genealogical Libraries also have the Clogher Record copies. Some Universities have their catalogs on the Internet. Let us know if you find the Records somewhere, and if you could borrow them through Inter-Library loan. Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. [email protected] TRAYNOR'S Web Page (Irish stuff) http://members.nbci.com/pattraynor/

Hi Bud and list You can view Clogher Historical Society publications at http://www.clogherhistoricalsoc.com/html/other.html Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Pbuddyf <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: Fermanagh Gold <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:17 AM Subject: Gravestone Inscriptions Recorded in Printed Sources > County Donegal; Ballyshannon; Donegal Annual, Vol XII, No.2, 1978. > > County Fermanagh: > Aghalurcher: Clogher Record, Vol II, NO. 2, 1958. > > Aghaven: Clogher Record,Vol IV, Nos. I & 2, 1960. > > Devenish: St.Molaise's and Devenish Abbey; Devenish, its History, > Antiquities and Traditions, by Rev.J.E.MacKenna and F.J.Bigger, 1897. > > Donagh: Clogher Record, Vol 1, No. 3, 1955 > > Drumully: Clogher Record, Vol X, No 2, 1954 > > Enniskillen, Enniskillen Parish & Town, by W.H.Dundas, 1913 > > Galloon: Clogher Record, Vol X, No 2, 1980 > > Holywell: Clogher Record, Vol II, No 4, 1957 > > Kinawley: Clogher Record, Vol I, No 4, 1956 > > Monea: The Parsih of Devenish, Co, Fermanagh, by Rev.William B.Steele, 1937 > > Templenafrin: Clogher Record, Vol II, No 1, 1957 > > Tullymageeran: Clogher Record, Vol II, No 3, > 1959 > > Hope this helps someone. AND, NO, I do not know where to get them. This is > from a list in a book. >