Mike, As has been said before, kindest thanks. It could never have been done without your mentorship. There is a mistake on page 51. When married, he was 26, not 24. It is explained in the footnote, but I missed this. Any criticisms would be most appreciated and thanks also for the plug. Regards, Tom > On Jul 22, 2019, at 8:29 PM, Michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: > > Tom Fox has just published a biography of Fenian General John C O'Neill for which he honored me with the chance to write the foreword. It is a bit pricey but it is entirely new material and an excellently researched and footnoted Biography of O'Neill. Those thirsty for fresh Fenian material won't be disappointed. > > https://mcfarlandbooks.com/product/john-c-oneill/ > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/fenians@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Anyone know of photos of General Michael Kerwin other than the portrait of him in 1865 as a Colonel of the 13th PA Cavalry or the bust shot later in life used repeatedly by newspapers and others?Any source material post 1870?My article covers Kerwin post 1870 in New York City. Ed Sent from Xfinity Connect App ------ Original Message ------ From: Michael Ruddy To: fenians@rootsweb.com Sent: July 22, 2019 at 5:30 PM Subject: [FENIANS] Biography of O'Neill Tom Fox has just published a biography of Fenian General John C O'Neill for which he honored me with the chance to write the foreword. It is a bit pricey but it is entirely new material and an excellently researched and footnoted Biography of O'Neill. Those thirsty for fresh Fenian material won't be disappointed. https://mcfarlandbooks.com/product/john-c-oneill/ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/fenians@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Tom Fox has just published a biography of Fenian General John C O'Neill for which he honored me with the chance to write the foreword. It is a bit pricey but it is entirely new material and an excellently researched and footnoted Biography of O'Neill. Those thirsty for fresh Fenian material won't be disappointed. https://mcfarlandbooks.com/product/john-c-oneill/
unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: fenians-request <fenians-request@rootsweb.com> To: fenians <fenians@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2018 1:37 pm Subject: FENIANS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 3 Send FENIANS mailing list submissions to fenians@rootsweb.comTo subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and bodysubscribe to fenians-request@rootsweb.comTo unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe andbody unsubscribe to fenians-request@rootsweb.comYou can reach the person managing the list atfenians-owner@rootsweb.comWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of FENIANS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Re: FENIANS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2 (janetkirwanriky@aol.com) 2. Re: TEST (Eamon O'Brien)----------------------------------------------------------------------Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 21:04:25 +0000 (UTC)From: <janetkirwanriky@aol.com>Subject: [FENIANS] Re: FENIANS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2To: fenians@rootsweb.comMessage-ID: <1466675888.285263.1541883865366@mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8Yes I am still listening!Janet-----Original Message-----From: fenians-request <fenians-request@rootsweb.com>To: fenians <fenians@rootsweb.com>Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:46Subject: FENIANS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2Send FENIANS mailing list submissions to fenians@rootsweb.comTo subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and bodysubscribe to fenians-request@rootsweb.comTo unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe andbody unsubscribe to fenians-request@rootsweb.comYou can reach the person managing the list atfenians-owner@rootsweb.comWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of FENIANS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Re: TEST (ejos@comcast.net) 2. Re: TEST (Yvonne Cooper)Hi,I am looking for someone who knows about "General' Michael J. Kerwin's activities which directed him from PA to New York City in 1870. I agreed to write about him for the NYIH Roundtable.Ed O'Shaughnessy-----Original Message-----From: FENIANS <fenians-bounces+ejos=comcast.net@rootsweb.com> On Behalf Of michael RuddySent: Friday, September 2, 2016 12:31 PMTo: fenians@rootsweb.comSubject: Re: [FENIANS] TESTTo members. The lack of traffic is normal for this list. To allow me to be sure that the list still was functioning properly after noting that Rootsweb had been tinkering with the software for the lists, I sent an email to be sure all is well. Based on the responses, all seems well.MikeOn 9/2/2016 2:09 PM, Walter Turner wrote:> Was this to see whether we are still here? I am.> Walter> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the messageHi I am still here, Yvonne Cooper-----Original Message-----From: ejos@comcast.net [mailto:ejos@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2018 5:30 AMTo: fenians@rootsweb.comSubject: [FENIANS] Re: TESTHi,I am looking for someone who knows about "General' Michael J. Kerwin's activities which directed him from PA to New York City in 1870. I agreed to write about him for the NYIH Roundtable.Ed O'Shaughnessy-----Original Message-----From: FENIANS <fenians-bounces+ejos=comcast.net@rootsweb.com> On Behalf Of michael RuddySent: Friday, September 2, 2016 12:31 PMTo: fenians@rootsweb.comSubject: Re: [FENIANS] TESTTo members. The lack of traffic is normal for this list. To allow me to be sure that the list still was functioning properly after noting that Rootsweb had been tinkering with the software for the lists, I sent an email to be sure all is well. Based on the responses, all seems well.MikeOn 9/2/2016 2:09 PM, Walter Turner wrote:> Was this to see whether we are still here? I am.> Walter> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/fenians@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb communityTo contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to%(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com.To post a message to the FENIANS mailing list -- fenians@rootsweb.com, send an email to %(real_name)s@rootsweb.com.__________________________________________________________To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to %(real_name)s-request@%(host_name)swith the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of theemail with no additional text.------------------------------Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 21:36:36 +0000From: "Eamon O'Brien" <eamon.pobrien@gmail.com>Subject: [FENIANS] Re: TESTTo: fenians@rootsweb.comMessage-ID: <CANCHsop+Sxdy0Wv_NioiiNKbWOyxBSHUXhnUZ_aHXAks4hF5fA@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"Still here. Keep up the good work Mike.Eamon in Dublin.On Fri 2 Sep 2016, 16:28 michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com wrote:> Testing by Mike>>> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> quotes in the subject and the body of the message>------------------------------Subject: Digest FooterTo contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to%(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com.To post a message to the FENIANS mailing list -- fenians@rootsweb.com, send an email to %(real_name)s@rootsweb.com.__________________________________________________________To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to %(real_name)s-request@%(host_name)swith the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of theemail with no additional text.------------------------------End of FENIANS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 3**************************************
Here! > On Nov 10, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Eamon O'Brien <eamon.pobrien@gmail.com> wrote: > > Still here. Keep up the good work Mike. > Eamon in Dublin. > >> On Fri 2 Sep 2016, 16:28 michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Testing by Mike >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&data=02%7C01%7C%7C95f37663581046ebe44408d64754a1ad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636774826156022456&sdata=HI%2BT%2FJ4fG2s%2FJ0PjxzAU32xsykeNEn5MlVB0AAQtctM%3D&reserved=0 > Unsubscribe https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Ffenians%40rootsweb.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C95f37663581046ebe44408d64754a1ad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636774826156022456&sdata=lXysBBLU74LiZ02s4PUXjlvvRj9TRXx6lGFHbWkBuaI%3D&reserved=0 > Privacy Statement: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&data=02%7C01%7C%7C95f37663581046ebe44408d64754a1ad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636774826156022456&sdata=Qhz3DXG5fQzNBCHiQrqJTyT5na%2Fun4luwCwTy20kOHw%3D&reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&data=02%7C01%7C%7C95f37663581046ebe44408d64754a1ad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636774826156022456&sdata=bzysU5t8uvw3WIzbcW8scfBzQ4NSAqozfdkfg9QHa6g%3D&reserved=0 > Rootsweb Blog: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frootsweb.blog&data=02%7C01%7C%7C95f37663581046ebe44408d64754a1ad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636774826156022456&sdata=x8CLMvOjLhVQ%2BkSnzwLu15dB0wQ4j%2BYygPNajNbUDQQ%3D&reserved=0 > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Still here. Keep up the good work Mike. Eamon in Dublin. On Fri 2 Sep 2016, 16:28 michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com wrote: > Testing by Mike > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Yes I am still listening! Janet -----Original Message----- From: fenians-request <fenians-request@rootsweb.com> To: fenians <fenians@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:46 Subject: FENIANS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2 Send FENIANS mailing list submissions to fenians@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to fenians-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to fenians-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at fenians-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of FENIANS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Re: TEST (ejos@comcast.net) 2. Re: TEST (Yvonne Cooper) Hi, I am looking for someone who knows about "General' Michael J. Kerwin's activities which directed him from PA to New York City in 1870. I agreed to write about him for the NYIH Roundtable. Ed O'Shaughnessy -----Original Message----- From: FENIANS <fenians-bounces+ejos=comcast.net@rootsweb.com> On Behalf Of michael Ruddy Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 12:31 PM To: fenians@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FENIANS] TEST To members. The lack of traffic is normal for this list. To allow me to be sure that the list still was functioning properly after noting that Rootsweb had been tinkering with the software for the lists, I sent an email to be sure all is well. Based on the responses, all seems well. Mike On 9/2/2016 2:09 PM, Walter Turner wrote: > Was this to see whether we are still here? I am. > Walter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hi I am still here, Yvonne Cooper -----Original Message----- From: ejos@comcast.net [mailto:ejos@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2018 5:30 AM To: fenians@rootsweb.com Subject: [FENIANS] Re: TEST Hi, I am looking for someone who knows about "General' Michael J. Kerwin's activities which directed him from PA to New York City in 1870. I agreed to write about him for the NYIH Roundtable. Ed O'Shaughnessy -----Original Message----- From: FENIANS <fenians-bounces+ejos=comcast.net@rootsweb.com> On Behalf Of michael Ruddy Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 12:31 PM To: fenians@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FENIANS] TEST To members. The lack of traffic is normal for this list. To allow me to be sure that the list still was functioning properly after noting that Rootsweb had been tinkering with the software for the lists, I sent an email to be sure all is well. Based on the responses, all seems well. Mike On 9/2/2016 2:09 PM, Walter Turner wrote: > Was this to see whether we are still here? I am. > Walter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/fenians@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the FENIANS mailing list -- fenians@rootsweb.com, send an email to %(real_name)s@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to %(real_name)s-request@%(host_name)s with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text.
Hi I am still here, Yvonne Cooper -----Original Message----- From: ejos@comcast.net [mailto:ejos@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2018 5:30 AM To: fenians@rootsweb.com Subject: [FENIANS] Re: TEST Hi, I am looking for someone who knows about "General' Michael J. Kerwin's activities which directed him from PA to New York City in 1870. I agreed to write about him for the NYIH Roundtable. Ed O'Shaughnessy -----Original Message----- From: FENIANS <fenians-bounces+ejos=comcast.net@rootsweb.com> On Behalf Of michael Ruddy Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 12:31 PM To: fenians@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FENIANS] TEST To members. The lack of traffic is normal for this list. To allow me to be sure that the list still was functioning properly after noting that Rootsweb had been tinkering with the software for the lists, I sent an email to be sure all is well. Based on the responses, all seems well. Mike On 9/2/2016 2:09 PM, Walter Turner wrote: > Was this to see whether we are still here? I am. > Walter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/fenians@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Hi, I am looking for someone who knows about "General' Michael J. Kerwin's activities which directed him from PA to New York City in 1870. I agreed to write about him for the NYIH Roundtable. Ed O'Shaughnessy -----Original Message----- From: FENIANS <fenians-bounces+ejos=comcast.net@rootsweb.com> On Behalf Of michael Ruddy Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 12:31 PM To: fenians@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FENIANS] TEST To members. The lack of traffic is normal for this list. To allow me to be sure that the list still was functioning properly after noting that Rootsweb had been tinkering with the software for the lists, I sent an email to be sure all is well. Based on the responses, all seems well. Mike On 9/2/2016 2:09 PM, Walter Turner wrote: > Was this to see whether we are still here? I am. > Walter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I am happy to see the list functioning again and I am still here [Mike Ruddy] and Michael Kane may be also. I answered Ed's letter with copies of some emails that Michael Kane sent me on Kerwin several years ago. Michael Kane's "obrien" email might not function but Michael Kane has a Facebook page where one, ostensibly, could contact him. He is very knowledgeable on the Fenians in the US especially the Irish militia groups and Fenian military.
Hi Ed and remaining rootsweb Fenians Not sure I can help, but my GGgrandfather, Thomas Patrick Masterson, was a Fenian. He was arrested twice as a suspected member. First in his home town of Navan and second while participating in the March 5, 1867 “Rising”. Those arrests appear in the Irish press (can’t remember which paper off top of my head) but he spent 8 months in Mountjoy Prison in Dublin. He was not convicted, (as far as I've been able to find after years of research which “finished” over five years ago) He was put on “fast steamship” (“France”) on November 21st the same year, and arrived Dec 4 in New York City. It seems fast to me, but newspapers are often a bit “off” on dates. Nevertheless, he arrived on time. His wife wrote several letters pleading for his release. All this I found online, after some long and very deep digging, and in a number of databases, free and subscription. Genetic cousins helped. There are several 1st and second hand accounts of Thomas’s participation. You may find mention of him or your ancestor if you google Thomas’s name as it appears above. Hits on Ancestry.com are mainly mine, though there have been numerous new and suspected cousins identified via DNA testing 15+ individuals and now appears in quite a few family trees. Many of those news articles are attached to my tree. It is public for Ancestry subscribers, so you may find you can access the documentation. I have 20 years of newspaper/book/records of his activities in the NYC Fenian organizations through to his death in 1895 in Blackwell Hospital, the NYC poorhouse “medical facility”. There is also a photographic record of the March 5th “Rising’s” participating men/Fenians who were arrested and put in Mountjoy prison. Can’t remember the photographer, but those convicted AND held there, are separated from those who were NOT convicted by the surrounding “frame” shape of the portraits. Oval or square. Again, can’t remember which is which. That photo study was done, I think, by an American photographer and is held in the US American Catholic University (?) in Washington DC. (I found some of Thomas’s papers and handwritten song lyrics and letters listed in their collections along with other prominent mid-level Fenians. Each man is named in those photo study, but I suspect they may have swapped names for that fun event. Unfortunately, Thomas was not amongst those named men in the photos, but you will find many of the Fenian stars and supporting players in that photo series. (This core dump was a result of research done from 1984-2015++. Pays off eventually.) Check the Irish learning newspapers for March 5th coverage of continuing Fenian “Rising” celebrations every year (within reason). These gatherings popped up every year in multiple cities and countries where there was a large Irish population. You may find your ancestor listed among the guests. Finding Thomas as a repeating guest and co-chair led me to several key Fenian members, and their writings held all sorts of direct and indirect references to names, places etc. If you’ve already done all this, great, if not, I hope I gave “you” a few new directions in which to look. Please don’t swipe Thomas as yours if you are not sure of your genealogy. (Semi-Kidding guys.) Many people have “snatched” him and entered him in their family trees. Colorful ancestors are always fun, and Thomas certainly was colorful. A horrible father, a nasty drunk occasionally and, to top all that, a bigamist. I’m still damn proud of the guy. I love rabble-rousers with a righteous rouse. ;) Also, please, please don’t swamp me with emails (if this group has a “swamping” number of members left). I’ll help, but I’ve got limited time. You should find a lot of this stuff in my records, which should pop in a google search. If not an Ancestry subscriber, you may be blocked to some extent. I’m not sure. If you DO know your own genetic and/or paper trail is sourced and documented genealogy, and Thomas is your ancestor too, Hi There cuz! Message me via Ancestry internal messaging. (And check your DNA matches wherever they may be before May 25th this year, before they may become difficult to get in touch with. New EU/UK privacy laws go into effect and NOBODY really knows what smackdown that will put into genetic genealogy in the US or the rest of the Western World.) Have a happy, and do fly the March 5th 1867 Fenian Flag!! It flys here all year long. Robin PS. And Ed, several of the names you mentioned sound very familiar. And I just remembered that Thomas Patrick Masterson may have traveled to Canada as part of his Fenian duties. Your ancestor may have been an age-mate. So he was active during the same years. Thomas died in his early sixties, (1895) as the then President of the remaining NYC Fenians. Related Masterson’s and fellow Fenians of that time also found in NYC and Boston Fire and Police, and NYC City Hall “hangers-on” of the period. Same in Canada. I’ve got a third cuz in Cambridge, Mass FD. It’s genetic! Good luck Ed. R. > On Apr 25, 2018, at 4:16 PM, "ejos@comcast.net" <ejos@comcast.net> wrote: > > Mike, are you still active in this network? I am emailing today to once again raise the subject of "General" Michael Kerwin. I recall you to be something of an authority on the man. > > A few years back I started to publish the results of my genealogy research as stories in niche historical society journals. I have published my work in Ireland, Canada and, later this year, New York City. Now I am thinking of possible submissions for 2019 editions, and Kerwin comes to mind for the New York Irish History journal. > > I am limited to 6,000 words with that journal, and I haven't figured out an angle yet. My great grandfather worked for Kerwin politically from about 1884, and was rewarded with a patronage position in 1889 when Kerwin became the 2d NY District Collector for the Department of Revenue. That story alone may be worth 6,000 words, as it included laying low until the Patrick Cronin murder trial was over in Chicago. Alex Sullivan and Michael Kerwin were dangerously close associates. > > Any thoughts, photos, illustrations you have would be welcome. > Ed O'Shaughnessy > > -----Original Message----- > From: FENIANS <fenians-bounces+ejos=comcast.net@rootsweb.com> On Behalf Of michael Ruddy > Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2016 2:00 PM > To: fenians@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FENIANS] Montreal Fenian activity ca. 1865 > > It is difficult. My ggf was, according to my grandmother, a Fenian who got thrown out of Ireland. The reason I am interested in Fenian history is because of him. Nothing I have found in years of searching indicates he was a Fenian. So I can empathize. > > >> On 9/3/2016 2:45 PM, eosvos wrote: >> That's what I have been doing....reading Canadian newspaper articles dating to 1865. I have no more precise date than he arrived in the US in 1865, and this from secondary sources, his obit and census reports. Another approach is to uncover my great grandfather's school records. He went to the prestigious Christian Brothers academy in Montreal. I can't help but believe that the records exist, but no one seems to know where. If I can find them I may get dates and perhaps a discussion or assessment at the time of either graduation or termination. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 8:07 AM, michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> This reply won't help much. >>> >>> The Fenians were a society which was by nature secret. I can give a scenario that might point to what may have happened. Perhaps your ggf belonged to a group where during the lead-up to the 1866 invasion, someone suggested ways that their Circle might help in case of the invasion [which was openly talked about in the US]. Whether there was an actual plan or just an idea, if there was an informer in the group, it could have scared the rest of the members. Sometimes those stories get embellished a bit in re-telling but there is usually a kernel of truth to whatever caused him to flee to the US. The only way I can think of that one might uncover something would be to pinpoint the exact date he fled to the US. Perhaps a border crossing exists. And then read old Montreal newspapers from the time frame several months before he left to see if anything about a Fenian exposeé exists. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>>> On 9/2/2016 1:45 PM, Ed and Viv O'Shaughnessy wrote: >>>> Still trying to uncover my great grandfather’s teenage years in Montreal. He claimed to have been involved in Fenian activity there ca. 1865. His story was that he belonged to a Fenian group that was plotting to burn down or blow up a government building. The group was exposed by an informer and my great grandfather fled Canada for the US. I have been searching for documentation of police surveillance of Montreal Fenian activity with really no success. I have found only referential indications in the contemporary press. I have contacted researchers on Canadian Secret Police history, but they know of no source records for Montreal ca. 1865. Anyone have some information for me to investigate? >>>> Ed O’Shaughnessy >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&data=02%7C01%7C%7C750c820f78694e781e9a08d5aae97ab6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636602842111152963&sdata=sAIzvDToOorgMW1IKEDS2BR%2BXoX2Mxp3z%2BPjXRpNEFw%3D&reserved=0 > > Unsubscribe https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Ffenians%40rootsweb.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C750c820f78694e781e9a08d5aae97ab6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636602842111152963&sdata=0%2FFeA3eCDv3bQ%2F%2B5J4%2BQxD7VS40hSifaa%2B2wMN3U2OU%3D&reserved=0 > > Archives: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fhyperkitty%2Flist%2Ffenians%40rootsweb.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C750c820f78694e781e9a08d5aae97ab6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636602842111152963&sdata=rJMfQU5G3De7AcXgoQFopOqm4M8qO5sUx91JAvP%2Fp8I%3D&reserved=0 > > Privacy Statement: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&data=02%7C01%7C%7C750c820f78694e781e9a08d5aae97ab6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636602842111152963&sdata=eDcvuZgZCEBoYYtKzlP3NUDOVFMh9m%2BgQPZV85aorY0%3D&reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&data=02%7C01%7C%7C750c820f78694e781e9a08d5aae97ab6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636602842111152963&sdata=vcCkzcs22Z19GTIqe%2FdQ7Pzq%2Flwlg%2BDE6mBbLzF7Sd0%3D&reserved=0 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >
Mike, are you still active in this network? I am emailing today to once again raise the subject of "General" Michael Kerwin. I recall you to be something of an authority on the man. A few years back I started to publish the results of my genealogy research as stories in niche historical society journals. I have published my work in Ireland, Canada and, later this year, New York City. Now I am thinking of possible submissions for 2019 editions, and Kerwin comes to mind for the New York Irish History journal. I am limited to 6,000 words with that journal, and I haven't figured out an angle yet. My great grandfather worked for Kerwin politically from about 1884, and was rewarded with a patronage position in 1889 when Kerwin became the 2d NY District Collector for the Department of Revenue. That story alone may be worth 6,000 words, as it included laying low until the Patrick Cronin murder trial was over in Chicago. Alex Sullivan and Michael Kerwin were dangerously close associates. Any thoughts, photos, illustrations you have would be welcome. Ed O'Shaughnessy -----Original Message----- From: FENIANS <fenians-bounces+ejos=comcast.net@rootsweb.com> On Behalf Of michael Ruddy Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2016 2:00 PM To: fenians@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FENIANS] Montreal Fenian activity ca. 1865 It is difficult. My ggf was, according to my grandmother, a Fenian who got thrown out of Ireland. The reason I am interested in Fenian history is because of him. Nothing I have found in years of searching indicates he was a Fenian. So I can empathize. On 9/3/2016 2:45 PM, eosvos wrote: > That's what I have been doing....reading Canadian newspaper articles dating to 1865. I have no more precise date than he arrived in the US in 1865, and this from secondary sources, his obit and census reports. Another approach is to uncover my great grandfather's school records. He went to the prestigious Christian Brothers academy in Montreal. I can't help but believe that the records exist, but no one seems to know where. If I can find them I may get dates and perhaps a discussion or assessment at the time of either graduation or termination. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Sep 3, 2016, at 8:07 AM, michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ed >> >> This reply won't help much. >> >> The Fenians were a society which was by nature secret. I can give a scenario that might point to what may have happened. Perhaps your ggf belonged to a group where during the lead-up to the 1866 invasion, someone suggested ways that their Circle might help in case of the invasion [which was openly talked about in the US]. Whether there was an actual plan or just an idea, if there was an informer in the group, it could have scared the rest of the members. Sometimes those stories get embellished a bit in re-telling but there is usually a kernel of truth to whatever caused him to flee to the US. The only way I can think of that one might uncover something would be to pinpoint the exact date he fled to the US. Perhaps a border crossing exists. And then read old Montreal newspapers from the time frame several months before he left to see if anything about a Fenian exposeé exists. >> >> Mike >> >> >>> On 9/2/2016 1:45 PM, Ed and Viv O'Shaughnessy wrote: >>> Still trying to uncover my great grandfather’s teenage years in Montreal. He claimed to have been involved in Fenian activity there ca. 1865. His story was that he belonged to a Fenian group that was plotting to burn down or blow up a government building. The group was exposed by an informer and my great grandfather fled Canada for the US. I have been searching for documentation of police surveillance of Montreal Fenian activity with really no success. I have found only referential indications in the contemporary press. I have contacted researchers on Canadian Secret Police history, but they know of no source records for Montreal ca. 1865. Anyone have some information for me to investigate? >>> Ed O’Shaughnessy >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Was there any connection with your ggf and John O’Neill? Regards, Tom Fox > On Sep 5, 2016, at 6:55 PM, ejos <ejos@comcast.net> wrote: > >> I'll look at TPM for linkages to my great grandfather. My great grandfather would be low on an IRB org chart, if he officially belonged to the IRB. Certainly he kept company with the Fenian movers and shakers of his day in New York City, as was noted time and again in the press, and a 1903 article listed him among those attending the annual IRB veterans dinner. He became connected with Brevet Brigadier General Michael Kerwin, a long standing and important Fenian leader, in the early 1880s and was rewarded with a patronage position in 1889. He rode Kerwin's coat tails into a plum position with the US Treasury when Kerwin was appointed to a Collector's position by President Harrison. At this point Kerwin was an important political actor for the Republican party, but he also had some dodgy friends high up in the Clan na Gael. It was rumored in the press in 1889 that Kerwin's appointment to the Collector's position in NY city was delayed until the heat cooled from the inve! stigation into the murder of Dr. Patrick Cronin in Chicago. Kerwin was called to Chicago to give testimony about the character of Alexander Sullivan, a potential accessory to the murder. My great grandfather's appointment was delayed as well, and he took off to Lake George for the summer, to lay low, I like to think. As Mike Ruddy once opined, someone should devote some serious research to General Kerwin. > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Robin P Ward <robinpenelope@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all. >> >> My GG grandfather was Thomas Patrick Masterson. He was arrested on March 5 1867 (The Rising) and spent 9 months in Mountjoy Prison, was not convicted due to lack of evidence so took a deal and was kicked out of Ireland and put on a boat to the US in Dec of that same year. I have managed to collect 20 years of newspaper clippings that mention him thru several of the newspaper subscription sites. Every year on the anniversary of the Rising, Fenians got together and partied hearty. There are always lists of names of the various attendees and their titles within the IRB. These parties occurred in all cities in the US and Canada where there was a large Irish population. You may find your ancestors mentioned in these articles. Check both the US and Canada's Irish and mainstream papers. My GG grandfather was a mid level guy but eventually ended up president of what was left of the NYC IRB in the 1890s. Because he was the speechwriter for a lot of the more famous Fenians, some of! his papers are held in the Catholic University in Washington DC.. Poke around their Fenian collections and you also may find your ancestor. >> >> If you google TPMs full name you'll get a ton of hits from Ancestry with much of that documentation/source material. It would be a quick way to look at some of the news articles. My tree, The Ward Family Tree Two is public so you should be able to get to the media attached to Thomas Patrick Masterson. I will also be happy to help anyone out re: where to look for their Fenian family members. Also, there was an incredible photo series done at the time (1867) of the political prisoners where in Mountjoy. Can't remember the photographer, but a good Google search string should get you to it. Most of the important guys are included with names and their portraits. Good hunting! >> >> Robin P Ward >> email: robinpenelope@hotmail.com >> >> PS. Please don't try to "steal" TPM as your own. Several people have tried to patch him into their family trees and it's a pain in the ass to convince them, thru date comparisons and DNA testing, which prove it would have been impossible. Thanks. However, if he is in fact an ancestor, if you want to prove it you can do a DNA test. I collected 15 or so possible Masterson cousins 2 1/2 yrs ago and had them tested. Please contact me if one of you isHi all. >> >> My GG grandfather was Thomas Patrick Masterson. He was arrested on March 5 1867 (The Rising) and spent 9 months in Mountjoy Prison, was not convicted due to lack of evidence so took a deal and was kicked out of Ireland and put on a boat to the US in Dec of that same year. I have managed to collect 20 years of newspaper clippings that mention him thru several of the newspaper subscription sites. Every year on the anniversary of the Rising, Fenians got together and partied hearty. There are always lists of names of the various attendees and their titles within the IRB. These parties occurred in all cities in the US and Canada where there was a large Irish population. You may find your ancestors mentioned in these articles. Check both the US and Canada's Irish and mainstream papers. My GG grandfather was a mid level guy but eventually ended up president of what was left of the NYC IRB in the 1890s. Because he was the speechwriter for a lot of the more famous Fenians, some of! his papers are held in the Catholic University in Washington DC. Poke around their Fenian collections and you also may find your ancestor. >> >> If you google TPMs full name you'll get a ton of hits from Ancestry with much of that documentation/source material. It would be a quick way to look at some of the news articles. My tree, The Ward Family Tree Two is public so you should be able to get to the media attached to Thomas Patrick Masterson. I will also be happy to help anyone out re: where to look for their Fenian family members. Also, there was an incredible photo series done at the time (1867) of the political prisoners where in Mountjoy. Can't remember the photographer, but a good Google search string should get you to it. Most of the important guys are included with names and their portraits. Good hunting! >> >> Robin P Ward >> email: robinpenelope@hotmail.com >> >> PS. Please don't try to "steal" TPM as your own. Several people have tried to patch him into their family trees and it's a pain in the ass to convince them, thru date comparisons and DNA testing, which prove it would have been impossible. Thanks. However, if he is in fact an ancestor, if you want to prove it you can do a DNA test. I collected 15 or so possible Masterson cousins 2 1/2 yrs ago and had them tested. Please contact me if one of you is in fact another Masterson cousin, or think you might be. >> >>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 5:40 PM, ejos <ejos@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> Yep, but I'll keep the faith. I have been amazed at what I have uncovered so far, and those results come from periodic plugging away on my laptop. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 1:59 PM, michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> It is difficult. My ggf was, according to my grandmother, a Fenian who got thrown out of Ireland. The reason I am interested in Fenian history is because of him. Nothing I have found in years of searching indicates he was a Fenian. So I can empathize. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 9/3/2016 2:45 PM, eosvos wrote: >>>>> That's what I have been doing....reading Canadian newspaper articles dating to 1865. I have no more precise date than he arrived in the US in 1865, and this from secondary sources, his obit and census reports. Another approach is to uncover my great grandfather's school records. He went to the prestigious Christian Brothers academy in Montreal. I can't help but believe that the records exist, but no one seems to know where. If I can find them I may get dates and perhaps a discussion or assessment at the time of either graduation or termination. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 8:07 AM, michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ed >>>>>> >>>>>> This reply won't help much. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Fenians were a society which was by nature secret. I can give a scenario that might point to what may have happened. Perhaps your ggf belonged to a group where during the lead-up to the 1866 invasion, someone suggested ways that their Circle might help in case of the invasion [which was openly talked about in the US]. Whether there was an actual plan or just an idea, if there was an informer in the group, it could have scared the rest of the members. Sometimes those stories get embellished a bit in re-telling but there is usually a kernel of truth to whatever caused him to flee to the US. The only way I can think of that one might uncover something would be to pinpoint the exact date he fled to the US. Perhaps a border crossing exists. And then read old Montreal newspapers from the time frame several months before he left to see if anything about a Fenian exposeé exists. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/2/2016 1:45 PM, Ed and Viv O'Shaughnessy wrote: >>>>>>> Still trying to uncover my great grandfather’s teenage years in Montreal. He claimed to have been involved in Fenian activity there ca. 1865. His story was that he belonged to a Fenian group that was plotting to burn down or blow up a government building. The group was exposed by an informer and my great grandfa >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi all. My GG grandfather was Thomas Patrick Masterson. He was arrested on March 5 1867 (The Rising) and spent 9 months in Mountjoy Prison, was not convicted due to lack of evidence so took a deal and was kicked out of Ireland and put on a boat to the US in Dec of that same year. I have managed to collect 20 years of newspaper clippings that mention him thru several of the newspaper subscription sites. Every year on the anniversary of the Rising, Fenians got together and partied hearty. There are always lists of names of the various attendees and their titles within the IRB. These parties occurred in all cities in the US and Canada where there was a large Irish population. You may find your ancestors mentioned in these articles. Check both the US and Canada's Irish and mainstream papers. My GG grandfather was a mid level guy but eventually ended up president of what was left of the NYC IRB in the 1890s. Because he was the speechwriter for a lot of the more famous Fenians, some of hi! s papers are held in the Catholic University in Washington DC. Poke around their Fenian collections and you also may find your ancestor. If you google TPMs full name you'll get a ton of hits from Ancestry with much of that documentation/source material. It would be a quick way to look at some of the news articles. My tree, The Ward Family Tree Two is public so you should be able to get to the media attached to Thomas Patrick Masterson. I will also be happy to help anyone out re: where to look for their Fenian family members. Also, there was an incredible photo series done at the time (1867) of the political prisoners where in Mountjoy. Can't remember the photographer, but a good Google search string should get you to it. Most of the important guys are included with names and their portraits. Good hunting! Robin P Ward email: robinpenelope@hotmail.com PS. Please don't try to "steal" TPM as your own. Several people have tried to patch him into their family trees and it's a pain in the ass to convince them, thru date comparisons and DNA testing, which prove it would have been impossible. Thanks. However, if he is in fact an ancestor, if you want to prove it you can do a DNA test. I collected 15 or so possible Masterson cousins 2 1/2 yrs ago and had them tested. Please contact me if one of you is in fact another Masterson cousin, or think you might be. > On Sep 3, 2016, at 5:40 PM, ejos <ejos@comcast.net> wrote: > > Yep, but I'll keep the faith. I have been amazed at what I have uncovered so far, and those results come from periodic plugging away on my laptop. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Sep 3, 2016, at 1:59 PM, michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> It is difficult. My ggf was, according to my grandmother, a Fenian who got thrown out of Ireland. The reason I am interested in Fenian history is because of him. Nothing I have found in years of searching indicates he was a Fenian. So I can empathize. >> >> >>> On 9/3/2016 2:45 PM, eosvos wrote: >>> That's what I have been doing....reading Canadian newspaper articles dating to 1865. I have no more precise date than he arrived in the US in 1865, and this from secondary sources, his obit and census reports. Another approach is to uncover my great grandfather's school records. He went to the prestigious Christian Brothers academy in Montreal. I can't help but believe that the records exist, but no one seems to know where. If I can find them I may get dates and perhaps a discussion or assessment at the time of either graduation or termination. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 8:07 AM, michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> This reply won't help much. >>>> >>>> The Fenians were a society which was by nature secret. I can give a scenario that might point to what may have happened. Perhaps your ggf belonged to a group where during the lead-up to the 1866 invasion, someone suggested ways that their Circle might help in case of the invasion [which was openly talked about in the US]. Whether there was an actual plan or just an idea, if there was an informer in the group, it could have scared the rest of the members. Sometimes those stories get embellished a bit in re-telling but there is usually a kernel of truth to whatever caused him to flee to the US. The only way I can think of that one might uncover something would be to pinpoint the exact date he fled to the US. Perhaps a border crossing exists. And then read old Montreal newspapers from the time frame several months before he left to see if anything about a Fenian exposeé exists. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 9/2/2016 1:45 PM, Ed and Viv O'Shaughnessy wrote: >>>>> Still trying to uncover my great grandfather’s teenage years in Montreal. He claimed to have been involved in Fenian activity there ca. 1865. His story was that he belonged to a Fenian group that was plotting to burn down or blow up a government building. The group was exposed by an informer and my great grandfa > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
> I'll look at TPM for linkages to my great grandfather. My great grandfather would be low on an IRB org chart, if he officially belonged to the IRB. Certainly he kept company with the Fenian movers and shakers of his day in New York City, as was noted time and again in the press, and a 1903 article listed him among those attending the annual IRB veterans dinner. He became connected with Brevet Brigadier General Michael Kerwin, a long standing and important Fenian leader, in the early 1880s and was rewarded with a patronage position in 1889. He rode Kerwin's coat tails into a plum position with the US Treasury when Kerwin was appointed to a Collector's position by President Harrison. At this point Kerwin was an important political actor for the Republican party, but he also had some dodgy friends high up in the Clan na Gael. It was rumored in the press in 1889 that Kerwin's appointment to the Collector's position in NY city was delayed until the heat cooled from the inves! tigation into the murder of Dr. Patrick Cronin in Chicago. Kerwin was called to Chicago to give testimony about the character of Alexander Sullivan, a potential accessory to the murder. My great grandfather's appointment was delayed as well, and he took off to Lake George for the summer, to lay low, I like to think. As Mike Ruddy once opined, someone should devote some serious research to General Kerwin. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Robin P Ward <robinpenelope@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all. > > My GG grandfather was Thomas Patrick Masterson. He was arrested on March 5 1867 (The Rising) and spent 9 months in Mountjoy Prison, was not convicted due to lack of evidence so took a deal and was kicked out of Ireland and put on a boat to the US in Dec of that same year. I have managed to collect 20 years of newspaper clippings that mention him thru several of the newspaper subscription sites. Every year on the anniversary of the Rising, Fenians got together and partied hearty. There are always lists of names of the various attendees and their titles within the IRB. These parties occurred in all cities in the US and Canada where there was a large Irish population. You may find your ancestors mentioned in these articles. Check both the US and Canada's Irish and mainstream papers. My GG grandfather was a mid level guy but eventually ended up president of what was left of the NYC IRB in the 1890s. Because he was the speechwriter for a lot of the more famous Fenians, some of ! his papers are held in the Catholic University in Washington DC.. Poke around their Fenian collections and you also may find your ancestor. > > If you google TPMs full name you'll get a ton of hits from Ancestry with much of that documentation/source material. It would be a quick way to look at some of the news articles. My tree, The Ward Family Tree Two is public so you should be able to get to the media attached to Thomas Patrick Masterson. I will also be happy to help anyone out re: where to look for their Fenian family members. Also, there was an incredible photo series done at the time (1867) of the political prisoners where in Mountjoy. Can't remember the photographer, but a good Google search string should get you to it. Most of the important guys are included with names and their portraits. Good hunting! > > Robin P Ward > email: robinpenelope@hotmail.com > > PS. Please don't try to "steal" TPM as your own. Several people have tried to patch him into their family trees and it's a pain in the ass to convince them, thru date comparisons and DNA testing, which prove it would have been impossible. Thanks. However, if he is in fact an ancestor, if you want to prove it you can do a DNA test. I collected 15 or so possible Masterson cousins 2 1/2 yrs ago and had them tested. Please contact me if one of you isHi all. > > My GG grandfather was Thomas Patrick Masterson. He was arrested on March 5 1867 (The Rising) and spent 9 months in Mountjoy Prison, was not convicted due to lack of evidence so took a deal and was kicked out of Ireland and put on a boat to the US in Dec of that same year. I have managed to collect 20 years of newspaper clippings that mention him thru several of the newspaper subscription sites. Every year on the anniversary of the Rising, Fenians got together and partied hearty. There are always lists of names of the various attendees and their titles within the IRB. These parties occurred in all cities in the US and Canada where there was a large Irish population. You may find your ancestors mentioned in these articles. Check both the US and Canada's Irish and mainstream papers. My GG grandfather was a mid level guy but eventually ended up president of what was left of the NYC IRB in the 1890s. Because he was the speechwriter for a lot of the more famous Fenians, some of ! his papers are held in the Catholic University in Washington DC. Poke around their Fenian collections and you also may find your ancestor. > > If you google TPMs full name you'll get a ton of hits from Ancestry with much of that documentation/source material. It would be a quick way to look at some of the news articles. My tree, The Ward Family Tree Two is public so you should be able to get to the media attached to Thomas Patrick Masterson. I will also be happy to help anyone out re: where to look for their Fenian family members. Also, there was an incredible photo series done at the time (1867) of the political prisoners where in Mountjoy. Can't remember the photographer, but a good Google search string should get you to it. Most of the important guys are included with names and their portraits. Good hunting! > > Robin P Ward > email: robinpenelope@hotmail.com > > PS. Please don't try to "steal" TPM as your own. Several people have tried to patch him into their family trees and it's a pain in the ass to convince them, thru date comparisons and DNA testing, which prove it would have been impossible. Thanks. However, if he is in fact an ancestor, if you want to prove it you can do a DNA test. I collected 15 or so possible Masterson cousins 2 1/2 yrs ago and had them tested. Please contact me if one of you is in fact another Masterson cousin, or think you might be. > >> On Sep 3, 2016, at 5:40 PM, ejos <ejos@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> Yep, but I'll keep the faith. I have been amazed at what I have uncovered so far, and those results come from periodic plugging away on my laptop. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 1:59 PM, michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> It is difficult. My ggf was, according to my grandmother, a Fenian who got thrown out of Ireland. The reason I am interested in Fenian history is because of him. Nothing I have found in years of searching indicates he was a Fenian. So I can empathize. >>> >>> >>>> On 9/3/2016 2:45 PM, eosvos wrote: >>>> That's what I have been doing....reading Canadian newspaper articles dating to 1865. I have no more precise date than he arrived in the US in 1865, and this from secondary sources, his obit and census reports. Another approach is to uncover my great grandfather's school records. He went to the prestigious Christian Brothers academy in Montreal. I can't help but believe that the records exist, but no one seems to know where. If I can find them I may get dates and perhaps a discussion or assessment at the time of either graduation or termination. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 8:07 AM, michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ed >>>>> >>>>> This reply won't help much. >>>>> >>>>> The Fenians were a society which was by nature secret. I can give a scenario that might point to what may have happened. Perhaps your ggf belonged to a group where during the lead-up to the 1866 invasion, someone suggested ways that their Circle might help in case of the invasion [which was openly talked about in the US]. Whether there was an actual plan or just an idea, if there was an informer in the group, it could have scared the rest of the members. Sometimes those stories get embellished a bit in re-telling but there is usually a kernel of truth to whatever caused him to flee to the US. The only way I can think of that one might uncover something would be to pinpoint the exact date he fled to the US. Perhaps a border crossing exists. And then read old Montreal newspapers from the time frame several months before he left to see if anything about a Fenian exposeé exists. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/2/2016 1:45 PM, Ed and Viv O'Shaughnessy wrote: >>>>>> Still trying to uncover my great grandfather’s teenage years in Montreal. He claimed to have been involved in Fenian activity there ca. 1865. His story was that he belonged to a Fenian group that was plotting to burn down or blow up a government building. The group was exposed by an informer and my great grandfa >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Got it. -----Original Message----- From: Christian D <christian.deruiter@gmail.com> To: fenians <fenians@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2016 9:08 am Subject: Re: [FENIANS] TEST Got it. On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Cathy Gardner <ironbrigade2wisc@juno.com> wrote: > Got it Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 2, 2016, at 10:28 AM, michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Testing by Mike > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing." ~ Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
It is difficult. My ggf was, according to my grandmother, a Fenian who got thrown out of Ireland. The reason I am interested in Fenian history is because of him. Nothing I have found in years of searching indicates he was a Fenian. So I can empathize. On 9/3/2016 2:45 PM, eosvos wrote: > That's what I have been doing....reading Canadian newspaper articles dating to 1865. I have no more precise date than he arrived in the US in 1865, and this from secondary sources, his obit and census reports. Another approach is to uncover my great grandfather's school records. He went to the prestigious Christian Brothers academy in Montreal. I can't help but believe that the records exist, but no one seems to know where. If I can find them I may get dates and perhaps a discussion or assessment at the time of either graduation or termination. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Sep 3, 2016, at 8:07 AM, michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ed >> >> This reply won't help much. >> >> The Fenians were a society which was by nature secret. I can give a scenario that might point to what may have happened. Perhaps your ggf belonged to a group where during the lead-up to the 1866 invasion, someone suggested ways that their Circle might help in case of the invasion [which was openly talked about in the US]. Whether there was an actual plan or just an idea, if there was an informer in the group, it could have scared the rest of the members. Sometimes those stories get embellished a bit in re-telling but there is usually a kernel of truth to whatever caused him to flee to the US. The only way I can think of that one might uncover something would be to pinpoint the exact date he fled to the US. Perhaps a border crossing exists. And then read old Montreal newspapers from the time frame several months before he left to see if anything about a Fenian exposeé exists. >> >> Mike >> >> >>> On 9/2/2016 1:45 PM, Ed and Viv O'Shaughnessy wrote: >>> Still trying to uncover my great grandfather’s teenage years in Montreal. He claimed to have been involved in Fenian activity there ca. 1865. His story was that he belonged to a Fenian group that was plotting to burn down or blow up a government building. The group was exposed by an informer and my great grandfather fled Canada for the US. I have been searching for documentation of police surveillance of Montreal Fenian activity with really no success. I have found only referential indications in the contemporary press. I have contacted researchers on Canadian Secret Police history, but they know of no source records for Montreal ca. 1865. Anyone have some information for me to investigate? >>> Ed O’Shaughnessy >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Yep, but I'll keep the faith. I have been amazed at what I have uncovered so far, and those results come from periodic plugging away on my laptop. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 3, 2016, at 1:59 PM, michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: > > It is difficult. My ggf was, according to my grandmother, a Fenian who got thrown out of Ireland. The reason I am interested in Fenian history is because of him. Nothing I have found in years of searching indicates he was a Fenian. So I can empathize. > > >> On 9/3/2016 2:45 PM, eosvos wrote: >> That's what I have been doing....reading Canadian newspaper articles dating to 1865. I have no more precise date than he arrived in the US in 1865, and this from secondary sources, his obit and census reports. Another approach is to uncover my great grandfather's school records. He went to the prestigious Christian Brothers academy in Montreal. I can't help but believe that the records exist, but no one seems to know where. If I can find them I may get dates and perhaps a discussion or assessment at the time of either graduation or termination. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 8:07 AM, michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> This reply won't help much. >>> >>> The Fenians were a society which was by nature secret. I can give a scenario that might point to what may have happened. Perhaps your ggf belonged to a group where during the lead-up to the 1866 invasion, someone suggested ways that their Circle might help in case of the invasion [which was openly talked about in the US]. Whether there was an actual plan or just an idea, if there was an informer in the group, it could have scared the rest of the members. Sometimes those stories get embellished a bit in re-telling but there is usually a kernel of truth to whatever caused him to flee to the US. The only way I can think of that one might uncover something would be to pinpoint the exact date he fled to the US. Perhaps a border crossing exists. And then read old Montreal newspapers from the time frame several months before he left to see if anything about a Fenian exposeé exists. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>>> On 9/2/2016 1:45 PM, Ed and Viv O'Shaughnessy wrote: >>>> Still trying to uncover my great grandfather’s teenage years in Montreal. He claimed to have been involved in Fenian activity there ca. 1865. His story was that he belonged to a Fenian group that was plotting to burn down or blow up a government building. The group was exposed by an informer and my great grandfa
That's what I have been doing....reading Canadian newspaper articles dating to 1865. I have no more precise date than he arrived in the US in 1865, and this from secondary sources, his obit and census reports. Another approach is to uncover my great grandfather's school records. He went to the prestigious Christian Brothers academy in Montreal. I can't help but believe that the records exist, but no one seems to know where. If I can find them I may get dates and perhaps a discussion or assessment at the time of either graduation or termination. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 3, 2016, at 8:07 AM, michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ed > > This reply won't help much. > > The Fenians were a society which was by nature secret. I can give a scenario that might point to what may have happened. Perhaps your ggf belonged to a group where during the lead-up to the 1866 invasion, someone suggested ways that their Circle might help in case of the invasion [which was openly talked about in the US]. Whether there was an actual plan or just an idea, if there was an informer in the group, it could have scared the rest of the members. Sometimes those stories get embellished a bit in re-telling but there is usually a kernel of truth to whatever caused him to flee to the US. The only way I can think of that one might uncover something would be to pinpoint the exact date he fled to the US. Perhaps a border crossing exists. And then read old Montreal newspapers from the time frame several months before he left to see if anything about a Fenian exposeé exists. > > Mike > > >> On 9/2/2016 1:45 PM, Ed and Viv O'Shaughnessy wrote: >> Still trying to uncover my great grandfather’s teenage years in Montreal. He claimed to have been involved in Fenian activity there ca. 1865. His story was that he belonged to a Fenian group that was plotting to burn down or blow up a government building. The group was exposed by an informer and my great grandfather fled Canada for the US. I have been searching for documentation of police surveillance of Montreal Fenian activity with really no success. I have found only referential indications in the contemporary press. I have contacted researchers on Canadian Secret Police history, but they know of no source records for Montreal ca. 1865. Anyone have some information for me to investigate? >> Ed O’Shaughnessy >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Great to hear from you, Mike! Kate -----Original Message----- From: michael Ruddy <mpruddy@gmail.com> To: fenians <fenians@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2016 11:28 am Subject: [FENIANS] TEST Testing by Mike ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FENIANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message