Hi Fay, Thanks for the posts. I can't directly answer the question that you ask, but can say a few things. There are multiple Fay lines, supposedly all starting in France, some going to the Brittish Isles in the Norman Invasion in the 12th century, where they became the Irish and English Fays. At least this is what I've read. The surname was also differentiated into a number of variants, for example, "Faye" is an English variant. "Fahey" and "Fahe" are Irish variants. Again this is from what I've read and surmised. >From England initially, some Fays (Orlin P Fay gives four different Fay lines in colonial times) came to North America. Others came later from both England and Ireland. Still other migrated all over the world. There are also multiple genealogies dealing with the Fays. My list is probably 20 separate Fay genealogies. None is as comprehensive as Orlin Fay's. I know very little about the other genealogies, but will put together the list and publish it here shortly and perhaps that will help. Hopefully, this post, and the subsequent one on the other "Fay genealogies" will ellicit a large number of contributions from others on this list that are more knowledgable in this area than I and we may all benefit. Bob Fay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com