Dear Fellow Researchers, This is an example of what I was talking about, skimpy data in Orlin P. Fay. Does anyone know what happened to this family? This is one of 4 Caleb FAY's in Orlin P. Fay. I can reconstruct some of the names, but there is a lack of dates in this line. From Orlin P. Fay's book John [Fay 4], Stephen 3, John 2, & 1. He was b. Dec. 23, 1734, d. in Bennington,Vt. Battle, Aug. 16, 1777, res. in Hardwick [MA], res. to B.[ennington,Vt], 1772, m, pub.[lished] Vt. 1772, d. in B.[ennington, Vt], Aug. 31 1777. 8 chil. 1. SUSANNA [(Fay) Burt 5], b. Dec. 4, 1758, m. Dec. 19, 1790, Leonard Burt, m. 2d, Timothy Follett. 5 chil. 1. Mary [Burt 6] 2. Susan [Burt 6] 3. Timothy [Burt 6] 4. Frances [Burt 6] 5. Sophia [Burt 6] 2. Nathan [Fay 5], b. Nov. 15, 1760, (592) Sk, 3. Caleb [Fay 5], b. Oct. 20, 1762. 4. HELEN [(FAY) Case. b. May 7, 1766, m. Bissel Case, Esq., Lawyer of Middlebury, Vt., 5 chil. 1, Sophia [Case 6] 2. Laura [Case 6] 3. Polly [/ Mary Case 6] 4. Hiram [Case 6] 5. Susan [Case 6] 5. John Fay 5], b. May 1, 1768 (600) Sk. 6. HENRY FISK [Fay 5], b. Aug. 26, 1770, m. Betsey Talcott. He was a lawyer of Burlington, Vt. 10 chil. 1. Harriet [Fay 6] 2. Henry [Fay 6] 3. Bestey [Fay 6] 4. Maria [Fay 6] 5. Jonathan [Fay 6] 6. David [Fay 6] 7. Nathan [Fay 6] 8. Laura Ann [Fay 6] 9. Mary [Fay 6] 10. Caroline [Fay 6] 7. Joseph [Fay 5], b. Sept. 5, 1772, d. Sept. 14, 1777. 8. Hiram [Fay 5], b. 1775, d. 1777. {Fay, Orlin P. FAY GENEALOGY: John FAY of Marlboro and His Descendants. Cleveland, Ohio: Press of J.B. Savage. 1898: 34] I think that some of these people may have died of smallpox in 1777. My ancestor was in Bennington, VT at that time and died of this disease. Sincerely, Mary (FAY) Nelson 9

Dear Linda, In response to your private e-mail and on the FAY-D list, here is your line with OPF #'s ([OPF # ] 63) DAVID [FAY Sr. 4], b. Southboro. [MA], Mar. 5, 1755, d. May 7, 1806, m. Jane Ward,[OPF # 63-W1,] res. S.[outhboro, MA], soldier in the War of the Revolution. He saw an Indian (who was fighting for the British) approaching him while on picket guard, he shot the Indian and took his gun and hatchet. This incident rep.[orted] by S. D. Fay of Oxford, Wis., who has seen the hatchet. 8 chil. 1. Sally [(Fay) Collins 5], b. Aug. 13, 1880, m. John Collins. 2. Mehitabel [(Fay) Chamberlain 5], b..., m. Eli Chamberlain of Southboro [MA] 3. Hannah [(Fay) Chamberlain 5], b. Oct. 15, 1785, m. William Chamberlain. 4. Lois [Fay 5], b. Jan. 17, 1791, d. young. 5. Nancy [(Fay) ? 5], b. Nov. 20, 1791, m. ... 6. Polly [or Mary (Fay) Hatch 5], b. June 12, 1794, m. Mr. Hatch. *7. DAVID [Fay Jr. 5], b. Aug. 22, 1796, m. Rhoda [FAY, OPF # 121-3], dau. of Jeremiah Fay [OPF # 121], b. June 6, 1799, res. Grafton [MA] 1 son. .....1. Otis [Fay 6], b. ..., m..., res. G.[rafton, MA], 1 dau. ..........1, Irene [Fay 7], b...m.... 8. Lincoln [Fay 5], b. May 9, 1799 ([OPF # ] 259). (Fay, Orlin P. FAY GENEALOGY: JOHN Fay of Marlborough and His Descendants. Cleveland, Ohio: Press of J. B. Savage, 1898: 233). From your line of descent, I would say that Otis Fay 6 had at least two children. ([OPF # ] 121) JEREMIAH [Fay Sr. 4], b. Southboro, [MA], Jan. 31, 1768, d. May 5, 1827, m. Lydia Bemis. A farmer, res. S.[outhboro, MA], then to Westboro, [MA], again to S.[outhboro, MA], & in 1812 to Hopkinton [MA], in 1818 to Natick, [MA], in 1819 to Framingham [MA] & to Grafton [MA] 1821. 13 chil. 1. Lyman [Fay 5], b. Oct. 9, 1797 ([OPF #] 426). 2. Jeremiah [Fay Jr. 5], b. May 26, 1798, d. Young. [+] *3. Rhoda [(Fay) Fay 5], b. June 5, 1799, m. David Fay [OPF # 63-7]. 4. Aaron [Fay 5], b. Jan. 26, 1801 ([OPF #) 429]. 5. SUSAN [(Fay) Wheelock 5], b. Oct. 25, 1803, m. Oct. 26, 1825, Samuel W. Wheelock 1 son. [1. son Wheelock 6] 6. Mary Bemis [(Fay) Fay 6], b. June 26, 1804, m. John Russell Fay [OPF # 573/p. 59] (See his record). 7. NEWELL [Fay 5], b. Apr. 22, 1806, d. Dec. 7, 1880, m. Caroline Moore [OPF # 121-7-W1], m. 2d Eveline Phillis [OPF # 121-7-W2]. He was a Col. in a Pa Regt. in the War of the Rebellion [Civil War], wounded in the seen day's fight before Richmond. One son served with him during the war, res. Philadelphia, Pa. 2 chil. .....1 A son [Fay 6 /OPF # 121-7-1], soldier, see above. .....2 A dau. [Fay 6 OPF # 121-7-2] /page 238 8. Lowell Brigham [Fay 5], b. Jan. 19, 1808 ([OPF #] 436). 9. SAMUEL FOSTER [Fay 5], b. Nov. 27, 1809, m. 1833? Sally Taft. 2 chil. .....1 A son [Fay 6/ OPF # 121-9-1] .....2 A dau. [(Fay) Brown 6 /OPF # 121-9-2], m. Mr. Brown. 10. Simeon Daniels [Fay 5], b. Mar. 26, 1812 ([OPF # ] 440). 11. GILMAN W. [Fay 5], b. July 2, 1814, d. Apr. 20, 1860, m. Nancy Morse. 2 chil. .....1. John [Fay 6/ OPF # 121-11-1], res. Upton [MA] .....2. a dau. [Fay 6 OPF # 121-11-2] 12. Nancy Lewis [(Fay) 5], b. July 29, 1816 ([OPF # ] 444) 13. SARAH LEWIS [(Fay) Fisher 5], b. Apr. 28, 1820, d. Mar. 1849. in Newark, N.J. One of the best educated women in Mss. Preceptress in a High School. She m. Oscar Fisher 1 son. .....[1. son Fisher 6] (OPF, 1898: 237-238) In your case, there are a number of children who are not given names in Orlin P. Fay's book. Therefore, the Orlin P. Fay Number becomes vital in distinguishing these individuals in a computer program until you can find names for them. Your line, when you get OPF's book, will be found as: John Fay Sr/1[OPF #1] page 13-19 David Fay 2 [OPF # 6], p. 19, 227 Robert Fay Sr 3 [OPF # 8], p. 227; 228; 284-285 David Fay Sr. 4 [OPF # 63] p. 228; 237-238 David Fay Jr. 5 [OPF # 63-7], p. 237-238 Otis Fay 6 [OPF # 63-7-1], page 237-238 David Fay 2 [OPF # 6], p. 19, 227. Edward Fay 3 [OPF # 9], p. 227; 229 Jeremiah Fay 4 [OPF # 229], p. 237-238 Rhoda (Fay) Fay [OPF # 121-3 / 63-7-W1] David Fay Jr. and Rhoda (Fay) Fay were second cousins, a not unusual marriage pattern at that time. I have seen many Fay cousin marriage in this book. Your cousin, Mary (Fay) Nelson 9

Hi all Fay Rooters, I am a VT>CA descendant of two VT Fay's (that's right cousins married each other--maybe that's why they moved west!). FIRST--Julius Fay(7), John(6), Nathan(5), John (4), Stephen (3), John (2), John(1) Julius Fay(#7) b. Aug 23, 1825 in Williston, VT. and died in JOLIET, ILL. He married Susie Swift (b. Starksboro, VT) in 1851 in Starksboro, VT. She died Jan 4, 1856 in Greenville, OHIO They had 1.Julia Louise Fay (8) b. Feb 07, 1852 in Burlington, VT. 2. Unknown daughter b. 1856 in Greenville, OHIO ALSO--Nathan Murray Fay (7), Nathan (6), Nathan(5), John (4), Stephen(3), John (2), John(1) Nathan Murray Fay (7) b. May 8, 1819 in Richmond, Chittenden Co., VT. He married Beulah Thompson (b. May 7, 1818 in Richmond, Chittenden Co., VT.) on October 31, 1842. He died Aug 17, 1873 in Essex, VT. They had: 1.Emerson Colby Fay (8) b. Feb 6, 1844 2. Ada Fay (8) b. March 23, 1847 (Married Edgar Barber) 3. Roby Nathan Fay (8) b. March 23, 1847 (yes, folks, fraternal twins!) He died in SACRAMENTO, CA 4. Newton Murray Fay (8) b. Dec 8, 1849 in Richmond VT (died in OAKLAND, CA) I am looking for information regarding these two families. Newton Murray Fay (above) married Julia Louise Fay (above). Newton and his brother, Roby Nathan Fay came to Sacramento, CA (after the Civil War?) Newton and Julia married in 1868 in Sacramento, CA. With whom did she come? An Uncle or Aunt? At least two siblings of Julius FAY are found in CA. The children of John FAY (6) and Mary Bishop (6) who were married Sept 5, 1806 in Hinesburg, VT are: 1.Roswell Bishop Fay (8) born 1808 Rutland, VT died Aug 1905 in OAKLAND, CA (It appears that he came to CA between 1865 and 1870 or so) 2. Electa Fay (8) born Feb 24, 1811 -one of her sons died in CA 3. Roxanna Fay (8) Nov 23, 1815 in Richmond, VT. Married June 27, 1847 in VT to Corey Thomson of Jericho, VT. They both died in SACRAMENTO, CA 4. Daniel Bishop Fay(8) b. July 17, 1819 in Williston, VT 5. Ransom Fay (8) b. Aug 8, 1822 6. Julius Fay (8) SUBJECT of ABOVE-died in Joliet , ILL 7. Edith Fay (8) b. Feb 23, 1828 in Williston, VT 8. Hiram John Davis Fay (8) b. Dec.25, 1831 It appears that quite a few of this generation of FAY's moved west and some on to CA. I am gathering as much as I can on the FAY's of Northern CA. I do have some Census material on Fay. Would love to exchange information with descendants of these lines. My grandmother, Mable Fay Herndon (of Sacramento) was sent to live with FAY relatives in VT for a while as a teenager (abt 1905). Would love to know more. I am also interested in the Greenville, OHIO and Joliet, ILL connection. Are there other FAY's in those areas? Thanks in advance for any help. Karen Beagle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

There appears to be more activity on this list so I will attempt my query again. I am seeking the parentage of Dinah FAY born between 1725 - 1735 in Westboro, Worcester, MA. Though intentions were filed for her to marry James BALL and Nathan BALL no actual marriage is recorded. On James' birth certificate all that is recorded is Dinah FAY mother. The intent to marry James BALL was filed 9 Feb 1754 in Westboro. James FAY BALL was born 15 Apr 1754 in Westboro. James FAY BALL went on to marry Abigail STARR d/o Comfort STARR and Judith COOPER. If anyone can give me any 'leads' or 'facts' I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Cherryl

I have a William F. Smith b.1782 in Philadelphia whose parents were reportedly John Smith, Jr b. 1753 in Sandwich, Kent, England and Joanna Fay b. 1764 in Philadelphia. Her father's name was Benjamin. I have no other information. Can anyone help me with this family? Kitty Robinson ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

from:mjfay@infoave.net I am Jo Ann Fay. My husband is Joseph T. Fay from Lincoln, RI. There are Fays in Co. Surrey, England. Co Meath& Hertford ,Ireland,Normandy ,Picardy France. The French branch came from Meath to fight for the French against the English , and Was given land. Was made a Viscount de Latour Maubourg,Others are Count Mauleveru,CountDe La Grange&Honorine-Du Fay in Normandy. Viscount de la Faye de Bourbonais,Vicount De Fai de Saverney. This was all because La Fayette fought alongside thelarg land holder from Co Meath in the war in France.We are not related . There is also A Charlemagne Warrior, Adolph Victoire Fay died on the banks of the river Weser. Jean du Fay prelate of Touraine died 1228 Guillaume Fay composer born 1340 Antoine La Fay Proestant Theologian 16 hundreds Ralph de la Faia or de Fay served King Henry 2nd Ireland 1219 Sir Richard de Fay, Knight of De Lacy, Lord of Meath 1289-1290 George de Fay,Manor of Mayneston,Co. Hertford My Father in Law had this information from His trip to Ireland in 1980.Hope I did not confuse You ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Good Morning All: All I have on the Fay lineage is from someone else's work, as it is not in my direct line but by marriage. "William Patrick Fay married Harriet Corbett in Moorhead, MN in 1898. William's parents were Edward Fay, born in Navan, Ireland abt 1839, and Anna Fitzgibbon born in Ohio abt 1841. Edward traveled to America with his widowed mother, (Bridget ?) abt 1847. Bridget remarried to John Otis in Kenosha, WI before they settled in Winona Minnesota in the early 1850's. Edward and Anna moved to Waseca, MN where he was a mail carrier on the route to Winnipeg, later moved to Moorhead. Pictures of this family and memorabilia can be found in the Moorhead Historical Center (Hjemkost Center)" Source: Mary Morley >morley@badlands.NoDak.edu< Another correspondent that didn't fit with my Fay/Corbett line that might be helpful is Mary Fay Nelson >mary.bob.nelson@worldnet.att.net< She referred me to a book by Orlin P. Fay. I have not pursued this any further. Happy Hunting Pat ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Looking for the origins of Molly or Mary FAY born 23 Sep 1756 married in Westboro, MA 15 Feb 1776 Reuben MAYNARD. He was probably her 2nd husband as she was called Molly GARFIELD. In the settlement of Reuben MAYNARD's estate the widow was called Mary, and a dau. in 1878 said her mother was Molly FAY, a dau. of Deliverance FAY. Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Betty Ferguson ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Dear Judy G. I hope this is your man, as all I have for him is his birthdate. I would love some details about his line of descent. [OPF # 75] RUFUS [FAY 4], b. Southboro, [MA], Dec. 13, 1779, m. Patty Woods. Killed by his team in Holliston [MA] Like his brothers and father, he had a large family. res. S.[outhboro, MA]. 11 chil. 1. Mary [Fay 5], b. Aug. 28, 1803. 2. Laura [(Fay) Cousins 5], b. Jan. 23, 1805, m. Isaac Cousins. 3. Larinda [(Fay) Grant 5], b. Mar. 27, 1807. 4. GEORGE [Fay 5], b. Jan. 7, 1809, m. Mary Eames of Framingham, [MA.] res. F.[ramingham, MA], 1 son. .....1. George Warren [Fay 6], b. Dec. 25, 1835. 5. Albert [Fay 5], b. May 22, 1811, d. young. [Probably before Oct. 1, 1815] 6. Ruth [Fay 5], b. August 9, 1813, res. Sherborn. 7. Albert Brigham [Fay 5, twin of Charles Bullard Fay 5], b. Oct. 1, 1815., d. young 8. Charles Bullard [Fay 5], twin of No. 7, [Albert Brigham Fay 5, b. Oct. 1, 1815], d. young. 9. Martha [Fay 5], b. July 26, 1818. 10. Emeline [Fay, b. July 8, 1821. 11. Isaac [Fay 5], b. Sept. 29, 1825. (Fay, Orlin P. FAY GENEALOGY: John Fay of Marlborough and His Decendants. Cleveland, Ohio: Press of J.B. Savage, 1898: 234] It was not uncommon for twins of low birth weight to die young. Have you gotten the Military records and Pension file for Isaac Fay? I just got the ones for my Civil War ancestor and it was loaded with info. I have more information of Rufus Fay's family, if this is your person. Please contact me at <mary.bob.nelson@worldnet.att.net> and also on the FAY-D-Digest for further information. You are one of my distant half-cousins. Sincerely, Mary (FAY) Nelson 9

Dear Karen, Here is the List of Hoopers in the Index of Orlin P. Fay's book: (Index page 72) Hooper, Edward Franklin 367 Hooper Elisha 367 Hooper, Evaline Laura 365 Hooper, George 367 Hooper, Helen Matilsa 108 Hooper, Jemima 367 Hooper, Jennie Sophia 367 Hooper, Lewis 365 Hooper, Lucy 108 Hooper, Mary 365 Hooper, Mary Elizabeth 367 Hooper, Samuel 108 Hooper, Warren Fay 367 ([OPF # ] 435) CLARISSA WARD [(Fay) Hooper 6]. b. Walpole, N.H. Nov. 10, 1811, D. Putney, Vt. mar. 12, 1884, m. W.[alpole, NH], Mar. 30 1830, George Hooper, son of Elisha & Jemima (Ormsby) H.[ooper], b. W.[alpole, N.H.] July 7, 1805, res. P.[utney, VT], where he d. June 13, 1893. e chil. 1. EDWARD FRANKLIN [Hooper 7], b. W.[alpole, NH] June 9, 1831, m. W.[alpole, NH], Dec. 16, 1857, Helen Maria Foster, dau. of Levi & Maria (Fitch) F.[oster], b. W.[alpole, NH], June 17, 1830, d. P.[utney], Vt., May 19, 1864. 2 chil. .....1. Jennie Sophia [Hooper 8], b. P.[utney], Vt., May 19, 1864. d. P.[utney, VT], May 19. 1864. [aged about 5 years +] .....2. Minnie Holton [(Hooper) Powell 8, B. N.Y. City, May 23, 1862, adopted June 14, 1864. She was taken from an institute in N.Y. City, probably b. there. She m. Putney, Vt., Dec. 2, 1880, Henry Byron Powell, son of Butler & Mary (WIggins) P.[owell]. b. Mt. Morris, Wis., July 13, 1859. 2. Mary Elizabeth [Hooper 7], b. P.[utney, VT], Apr. 4, 1834, d. P.[utney, VT], Mar. 7, 1872 [aged about 38 Years} 3. Warren Fay [Hooper 7], b. P.[utney, VT], SEpt. 30, 1836, d. P.[utnery, VT.] August 17, 1838. (Fay, Orlin P. FAY GENEALOGY: John Fay of Marlborough and His Descendants. Cleveland, Ohio: Press of J.B. Savage, 1898: 367) [OPF # 432-3] Robert Cochrane [Fay 7], b. W.alpole, NN], Mar. 21, 1840, m. Brattleboro, Vt., Apr. 18, 1866, Evaline Laura Hooper, dau. of Lewis & Mary (Metcalf ) H.[ooper], b. W.[alpole, NH],May 16, 1847., res. Marlow, N.H. 5 chil. 1. Romie Lavilla [Fay 8], b. Walpole, N.H., FEb. 24, 1867. 2. Levis Mason [Fay 8], b. hanover, N.H., June 24, 1869. 3. Clara Ardella [Fay 8], b. H.[anover, NH], June 12, 1871. 4. Mary Ida [Fay 8], b. H.[anover, NH], Mar. 23, 1873. 5. Edward Lewis [Fay 8], b. M.[arlow], N.H., Apr. 1, 1878. (Fay, Orlin P. Ibid, p. 365) [OPF # 2057-2] ARTHUR AUGUSTUS [Bartlett 8], b. Jan. 6, 1863, A house painter, d. West Medford, Mass., May 29, 1893, m. in Roxbury [MA], May 24, 1886, Helen Matilda Hooper, dau. of Samuel & Lucy Hooper, b. Portland, Me., Feb. 6, 1888. 3 chil. 1. Walter Francis [Bartlett 9], b. April 16, 1887. 2. Wesley H. [Bartlett 9], b. Sept. 6, 1889. 3. Perley M. [Bartlett 9], b. May 9, 1891. If you are interested in more detail on any of these Fay-Hooper families, please contact me at <mary.bob.nelson@worldnet.att.net>, as well as to the FAY-D-Digest. Sincerely, Mary (FAY) Nelson 9

Dear Katey, I seem to have a mild typo in OPF # 842/. He was aged about 25 not 35. Sorry for the mistake. Mary (FAY) Nelson 9

Hi Chris and Fay, I had mentioned that I thought there were about 20 other Fay genealogies, beyond the one compiled by Orlin Fay. I checked further and the real number is closer to 50, although some are small: a collection of Fay related families bibles for example. I am only familiar with the Orlin Fay genealogy, so I can't comment on the contents of these works. Perhaps others can. 1. For an Irish lineage beginning about 1000 AD see: Irish Pedigree; or The Origin and Stem of the Irish Nation by John O'Hart, 1923, Murphy and McCarty, 86 Walker Street, New York. Actually, this is probably the least help in terms of connecting an individual, but it provides an overview of the Irish Fays that may be helpful, and is interesting if you can borrow it. 2. The Follet-Dewey Fossett-Saford ancestry of Captain Martin Dewey Follet (1765-1831) and his wife Persis Fossett (1769-1849) by Harry Parker Ward, Columbus Ohio, Champlain Printing 1896. Half title:Follett-Dewey Fassett-Safford Hopkins-Robinson-Fay genealogy and history. This is in the US Library of Congress 3. The Fay Papers, by James Fay of Vermont. This is supposedly at the Vermont Historical Society. This may be the genealogy that Mary Fay Nelson is so skeptical about. I have heard that this was the lifes work of James Fay of Vermont and that it shows a descendancy from the Roman ruler Charlemagne. 4. The LDS collection holds 48 items which you can search at http://www.familysearch.org/search/searchcatalog.asp press surname search, enter FAY, select the desired entry to view notes on the contents. There are at least 3 Irish genealogies (2 Fahey, 1 Fay) here, two French, one German, and a number that are English, at least in part. There are North American Fay genealogies not only from New England but from many other parts of the continent as well. I was quite surprised at the comprehensive nature of their Fay collection. So, if official records fail you, and the John Fay of Marlborough genealogy is of no guidance, then there is always this wonderful collection. Beyond this, I would imagine there are other works in private hands. Bob Fay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

There appears to be more activity on this list so I will attempt my query again. I am seeking the parentage of Dinah FAY born between 1725 - 1735 in Westboro, Worcester, MA. Though intentions were filed for her to marry James BALL and Nathan BALL no actual marriage is recorded. On James' birth certificate all that is recorded is Dinah FAY mother. The intent to marry James BALL was filed 9 Feb 1754 in Westboro. James FAY BALL was born 15 Apr 1754 in Westboro. James FAY BALL went on to marry Abigail STARR d/o Comfort STARR and Judith COOPER. If anyone can give me any 'leads' or 'facts' I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Cherryl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi, Mary. I'm not a direct descendant of Apollos, but a half 1C5R of Lucy Hoisington (called Lucy Hussington in your e-mails). I am doing a one-name study of the Hoisingtons (my grandmother was Clara Alice Hoisington, b. 1898). I also host the Hoisington Mailing List and the Hoisington Family Web Site. I am sure that there are more closely related Hoisington descendants on the list, and I would be happy to post your information and your e-mail address so that they can contact you. I have Lucy's ancestry back to about 1675, which I would be happy to share as much of that with you as you would like. My mailing address is: Harriette Jensen 1530 Bristol Ave. Stockton, CA 95207 ============================================================ Hoisington Family Web Site <http://www.genweb.net/~hoisington/index.htm> Sumner Co. KS <http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/sumner/index.html> Kay Co. OK <http://www.rootsweb.com/~okkay/okkay.htm> SURNAMES: HOISINGTON (w/28 variant spellings) anywhere, HATFIELD (OH>IN>IA> KS>OK), HARDIN (MO>OK), DAVIS (Posey Co. IN), MORRIS (KS), COMBS (KY,IN,KS,OK, CA), JONES (Brown Co. OH), PERKINS (VT>IA>KS>OK>TX), LATHAM (MO) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Dear Fay, The book by Orlin P. Fay will probably be of little use to you, unless another Fay of his (John Fay or Marlboro, MA) line married into your Galway Irish Martin Fay line. Orlin P. Fay's book covers only the descendants of one "John Fay of Marlborough, b. 1648 in England." The book is rather expensive. A facsimile copy /reprint with index can be obtained from Higginson Books, 148 Washington St. PO Box 778, Salem, MA 01971. [978-745-7170 ]. It has taken some people more than 10 weeks to receive their copies. The Index leaves something to be desired as all of the John Fay's, William Fay's, David Fay's, (etc). without middle names are grouped together. You might try your state library system and see if there is a copy in a regional library in South Florida. Sometimes the colleges libraries or historical societies in the state have copies of either the original or facsimile copies. Your local librarian might be able to help you locate a copy just so that you can see if your line is in the book. Unfortunately, no one to my knowledge has done an exhaustive genealogy of the Irish Fay/Fayhe/Fahey lines. The Exact Reference is: Fay, Orlin P.[rentice]. FAY GENEALOGY: John Fay of Marlborough and His Descendants. Cleveland, Ohio: Press of J.B. Savage, 1898. You might be better off skimming the Passenger and Immigration Lists Index (about 20 volumes) by Filby. Many public libraries and historical societies have sets. If your local library does not have a set, your librarian can help you locate this Index set. This reference book gives one liners which refer you to the front of each volume. It is organized by Surname and Given name. Generally you find name, age, and year of immigration. The reference number is the next to last item per line. The page number follows it. The actual references for the Indexed material is in the front of each volume. You have to get that specific reference book to get additional information. You will find that the Immigration Records and Naturalization Records will give you about as much information as is known about these immigrants. Some of these records are in Washington DC. and some are in Regional Archives. My husband found some records for two of his grandparents recently. I don't know whether your Martin Fay was related to John Fay Sr. or not. There were a number of FAY's who went to London after several generations in the American colonies. There were a great many FAY's in England between 1600-1700. However, I have not had the time or money to go to England to really dig up the answers to a very long list of questions about John Fay's ancestry and the relation of the Irish and English Fay's. I do know from personal experience that a number of Fayhe/Fahey families changed their name to FAY after arriving in the United States. I have a collection of random bits and pieces on these families, but nothing like the genealogy on my own family. I will post the IRISH ACORNS address as soon as I find it. That group specializes in Irish Genealogical Research. I did not find your Martin Fay in Orlin P. Fay's book. I will look through what I have again and see if he is in another source. It will take a bit longer to tract any other references I might have as most of my Irish bits and pieces are not "input" into the computer yet. I will be glad to do a bit of looking up for you, but I do not have time to go to the National Archives until mid summer. Sincerely, Mary (FAY) Nelson 9 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Dear Katey, Here is the only entry I can find on Lorenzo D. Fay in the Barnard, VT book. v. Robert [Chamberlain], b. Bd [Barnard, Vt], Apr. 17, 1823,: d. before 1894; m. Jan. 1853, Mercy E., dau.[ghter of] Lorenzo D. and Deborah (Richmond) Fay, b. [Bd], May 21, 1836. Lived in Franklinville, Iowa. (Newton, William Monroe. History of Barnard, Vermont with Family Genealogies 1761-1927 in Two Volumes. Vol. II- Geneaolgies, Burlington, VT: Published by the Vermont Historical Society, 1928: p. 113) I do not find him listed with the other Fay families of Barnard, Vt. There are a number of Lorenzo Fay's in Orlin P. Fay's book. However, they don't seem to fit your data. [OPF # 135-5] 5. Lorenzo [Fay], b. June 18, 1823. [Born in Ashford, CT] (OPF , 1898: 40) [OPF # 830-3] Lorenzo [Fay], b. Oct. 10, 1842, m. Elma Julianna Mead, b. Cato, N.Y., may 29, 1848. Agent for sewing machines 1882, Union City, Mich. and in Coldwater, Mich. in 1883. In Quincey, Mich. 1898. 2 chil. 1. Eleanor Corea [Fay ], b. Newark, NY, Aug. 27, 1873. 2. Clarence Lorenzo [Fay], b. July 9, 1844. (OPF, 1898: 70) [Born in Mich.] [OPF # 824] Lorenzo [Fay ], b. July 8, 1817, d. 1842, [Born in Westboro, MA, aged about 35 years] (OPF, 1898: 69) [OPF # 944-5], Lorenzo [Fay], b. 1811, d. 1813 [Born in Exeter, NY,aged about 2 years , no issue] I think that you are dealing with a Fay that is not yet connected to Orlin P. Fay's FAY Genealogy. I hope to get to Barnard, VT this year for my own family research and will let you know if I find out more information on him. Sincerely, Mary (FAY) Nelson ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Dear Fellow Cousins, The emigrant John Fay of Marlboro, Mass., was born in England. He emigrated at the age of 8 years, according to the manifest of the "Speedwell," which has been published with a photograph of the actual manifest page. This article is entitled "A LYST OF PASINGERS ABORD THE SPEEDWELL OF LONDON, ROBERT LOCK MASTER, BOUND FOR NEW ENGLAND" and it was published in the New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Vol. 1, April, 1847; reprinted 1992 by Heritage Books Inc. of Bowie, MD. This manifest is one of the few actual primary documents on John Fay. Most of the other sources on him were destroyed in a church fire. So far, I have not found a corresponding Baptismal record for our John Fay, but several people have contributed a number of leads in this matter. Orlin P. Fay cites four other early Fay's in the colonies. His information came from a John J. Fay. Richard Fay resided in Dorchester, Mass in 1634. Henry Fay, a weaver of Newberry, Mass, died June 30, 1655. William Fay, admitted a townsman of Boston, 1643. Thomas Fay of Hingham, Mass., died 1678. (OPF, 1898: 13) A "Thomas Fay brought suit in Es Court in 1638" (Pope, Charles Henry. Pioneers of Massachusetts: A descriptive List Drawn from Record of the Colonies, Towns, Churches and other contemporary Documents/Originally published Boston, 1900/ Reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co. Baltimore, MD 1977: 162.) A Nathaniel Fay or Tay married Bathsheba Wyman/Weyman (b. Oct. 6, 1658) (Pope, Ibid, 517-518) Orlin P. Fay and Abner Morse were not able to clarify whether David Fay was or was not the father of John Fay Sr/1. The evidence is very scanty and rests primarily on a deed from Peter Bent. I have not yet found this deed. At least 30 FAY / FAYE / FEY / FEE / FEAY / PHAI (Soundex possibilities) men and women turned up in a search of the LDS files of England between 1600-1700, which was done by one of my informants. I have checked out most of these links in the English Parish Marriage Records, which were published around 1900. I found these records at the Clayton Library, a branch of the Houston, TX Library System. One person has published a report which is floating around that claims that the FAY Family goes back to the time of Emperor Hadrian of Rome. I would just caution you that I have not seen the original line of documents that supports this report, and until I do see the primary documents, I am not going to put this information into my files. I have some grave reservations about the quality of this report, since it seems to lack locations where the documents were found. Having studied European History in depth, I want to be sure that this data was not "made up" for the American genealogist. At least one English FAY Family is known to have lived in the area of Collingsbourne-Ducis, Wiltshire, and four generations of these FAY's are present in some unpublished manuscripts, which an English informant/researcher found for one of my other cousins. This material goes back to the 1400's. There is a line of Fay's in England, who come from this settlement, and who are still living in England today. One of my cousins went to England and found material of Thomas Brigham Sr going back to Holme-Upon- Spaulding Moor, Yorkshire. The line goes back to the 1400's. Thomas was the father of Mary Brigham, first wife of John Fay Sr/1[OPF #1] At present, it seem most likely that John Fay of Marlborough was an English boy of 8 who came to the American Colonies. I would be unsurprised to learn that he was indentured to Peter Bent. The name of his father is still in doubt and may be either David or William Fay. I hope to clarify this link when I make a trip to England in the next couple of years. The material in FENCES OF STONES: A History of Southborough, Massachusetts by Richard Noble (1991) concerning David Fay and John Fay is not documented as to source or location of primary documents. Several persons have attempted to contact Mr. Noble for additional information without success. So far, I have not found any primary documentation as to whether John Fay of Marlborough and his ancestors had any link to France. There are a number of English Fay's from the 12-14th centuries, but linkage up or down to these people has not been found. They are just isolated names in historical documents. Those FAY's who trace descent from John Fay Jr./2[OPF # 2] and his wife, Elizabeth Wellington, are probably descendants of King Edward 1 of England. A published genealogy exists of the lines of former Presidents George Herbert Walker Bush and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt which includes the above mentioned pair of ancestors. These Presidents happen to be cousins. The linkage between the English Fays and those from Ireland, Germany and Canada, has not been adequately researched. For many years, John Fay was claimed by the Huguenot Society as an immigrant from France. However, most of my recent research shows that he was English. The Compendium of American Genealogy seems to be the source of this flawed information. I have 3 published Fay Genealogies: Orlin P. Fay (1898), George Henry Johnson (1913); Mary (Smith) Fay (1987). I am also using the History of the Brigham Family by W. I. Tyler Brigham (1928). [The BRIGHAMS were a family which intermarried with the Fay family many times.] I have a number of individual town histories with genealogies (Barnard and Royalton, VT). These tend to give a very narrow picture of families in a given town. I have seen two unpublished manuscript genealogies on Fay's and have received several dozen personal family stories from other cousins. I have also used Farmer (1969); Savage (1873/1884); Torrey ( 1985) and Virkus (1978) for early emigrants. Cutter (1912) is not indexed, but had some information on the New York Fay's. I hope that this article will help some of you with your research. I will not be able to do any research/lookups at the National Archives until this summer, as I am in the midst of moving my household from Statesboro, GA to Bowie, MD. I will continue to answer as many of your requests in this FAY-D-Digest as I can find time to research in my own materials. It can take up to a full day to do a single request. Please be patient. Sincerely Mary (FAY) Nelson 9 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hello List: Still looking for info on my gg grandfather, LEWIS FAY, said to have been born in Cortland NY ca 1819-21 according to census records in Ohio and Kansas. He married Mary Barker 30 March 1851 in Athens County, Ohio, and they had children: George G. Fay b. ca 1856 KS Alice Fay b. ca 1858 KS Franklin Fay b. ca 1861 KS Gloria Lester >>^. .^<< gclester@juno.com - for text only gclester@hotmail.com - for attachments ________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Looking for family of Isaac Fay, b. 25 Nov 1825 MA, d. 6 Dec 1864 Harrisburg, PA as a soldier in Civil War. He was with Co. A, 142nd Reg. Vol., New York, buried in Malone, NY (also shown on cemetery records as being buried in Watervliet, MI city/twp. cemetery - marker only??) He and his wife, Julia A. _____ are shown on the 1860 Malone, NY census with their two sons, John W. and Frederick. After Isaac's death, Julia, their two sons and a daughter, Eva C., b. 17 Apr 1863, relocated to Watervliet Twp., Berrien Co., MI in Oct. 1864. At least three of them died in Berrien Co., MI. Also need info on Julia's family. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Judi G. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi I am looking for any Hooper connection to Fay's in Mass. Can anyone help. Thanks! Karen ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 4:59 PM Subject: [FAY] USA, MA, Mary Fay, b. about1874, Roxbury, MA > Hi, > Mary Fay was born abt 1874 in Roxbury, MA, she was the daughter of George > and Mary(CONLEY)FAY of Boston. She had a son named George Faye. She married > Charles Lincoln Sawyer, 29 Aug 1894 in Castine, ME. She died in 1929 in > Castine, ME. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. > > Fran ___________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com