Dear Listers, This is the relevant portion of a response I got from Pat Traynor, regarding Irish Fay/Fahey Bob Fay > Looks Irish to me...... FAHY, of Ulster: FAHY pedigree is on Page 445 of vol. 1, "Irish Pedigrees", by John O'Hart. Has a description of the Arms. Only about 13 ancient names in it, going up to about the 10th century. Fadhaigh; (fadh = "a cut"; ach = "a skirmish"); anglicised FAHY, FAHIE, and FAY. A branch off the O'Neill of Tyrone pedigree. There were 63 births of FAHYs in Galway in 1890. (Matheson) FAHY Fahy in Irish is O Fathaigh, probably from fothadh meaning 'base' or 'foundation'. Another, rare, English version of the name is 'Vahey'. Strangely, it has also been anglicised as 'Green' because of a mistaken association with faithce, meaning 'lawn'. The name still has a very strong association with Co Galway, where the historic homeland was situated. The area of the familys power was around the modern town of Loughrea in the south of the county, and the surname is still most plentiful in this area, despite the upheavals and migrations which have spread the name quite widely throughout Ireland. The best known bearer of the name was Francis Arthur Fahy (1854-1935), songwriter and literary man, who paved the way for the Irish Literary Revival through his lifelong involvement with the Gaelic League and the London Irish Literary Society. (Source unknown) ----------------- (I have no personal interest in this name) Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Dear Listers, I have done some research and learned that there is an Irish line based on the name Fahey which is derived from an ancient Irish name, which is commonly anglicized to Fay. I received a letter that I'll post shortly on that subject. Perhaps the Irish Fahe is a variant of Fahey. Lest you think that an Irish Fay is thus a Fahey, there is at least one Irish Fay line going back to ancient times as Fay, and I am preparing a posting on that line of Fay's. And to further confuse the matter, there appear to be numerous Irish and English lines which go back to French Fay in Normandy as du Fay and de Fay. There also appear to be a few variants that may be the results of a mispelling of Fay as Fey, Foy, and Faye. As the subscribers to this list may have an interest in any of these lines, and as the names seem to get switched back and forth at will, I am subscribing this list to receive and republish the very few listings those lists get, in their digest format here. It should be clear where the posting came from so it should not cause any confusion and perhaps will help somebody solve some mystery somewhere. Bob Fay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Some time ago I mentioned that this mail list is archived. I was checking on this today and learned to my surprise that the FAY list was selected for the Beta test of a new enhanced version, which is great! It may require that you register for a password and I'm a little fuzzy on exactly how that works, but here is the other info. To BROWSE all the postings to the FAY list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/Fay-L This looks much like a threaded message board To SEARCH all the postings to the FAY list http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=Fay To Search for OTHER lists (not postings, just lists) http://lists.rootsweb.com/cgi.bin/findlist.pl Bob Fay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

----Original Message Follows---- I must unscribe to the list at this time due to an extended vacation. Be back later. Kitty Robinson ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

----Original Message Follows---- Hello to all. I am new to this list and hoping maybe someone can help me out. My Great-grandfather Peter Vacik married twice. His second wife's name was Magdalena Fay. (Alternate spellings of Magdalena that I have found listed on various documents are Magdelina, Magdaline and Magdeline.) My Great-grandfather Peter and Magdalena were married on 27 February, 1893 in Cuyahoga County, Ohio. She was approximately 45 years of age at the time they were married. Apparently this was also her second marriage. She passed away 12 January, 1918. She is buried in Harvard Grove Cemetery in Cleveland, Ohio. She was born 15 June, 1849 in Bohemia. Her fathers name is hard to make out on her death certificate. I'll get as close to it as I can. So here goes. His name was John Koboul or the surname could be Kobouh, not sure which yet. Still digging for that one. I believe she had at least one son from her previous marriage. His name was John Fay. He is listed on her death certificate which was issued in Cuyahoga County, Ohio. As per the 1910 census she resided in the Township of Newburgh, County of Cuyahoga, Ohio with my Great-grandfather until her death in 1918. If any of these names sound familiar or ring a bell for anyone (Especially the Fay's) please feel free to contact me. I am at a roadblock thus far. Thanks to one and all!!! John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

----Original Message Follows---- Roll Call: John Charles FAY b: abt. 1860-1870 MI, m: Augusta Amelia Krueger abt. 1892, d: 05 1942 Pam Carico pcarico@earthlink.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

+AD4- +AD4- ----- Original Message ----- +AD4- From: +ACI-Robert + June B. +ACI- +ADw-jmb32+AEA- +AD4- To: +ADw-FAY-L-+AEA-rootsweb.com+AD4- +AD4- Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 1:07 PM +AD4- Subject: Searching +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- Hi Listers+ACE- Has anyone info on FAY in the Ont/Livingston NY , +AD4- +AD4- Genesso/Lavonia area? My Question is weather one of the Fays was a JP or +AD4- +AD4- Rev.?? Time line 1816. I have a breif statement by my 3 great GF, that a +AD4- +AD4- Rev. Fay married him to Anthea Fox in the Genesso/Lavonia area, 1816. +AD4- +AD4- Thanks Bob Barber, also searching BARBERS-RIX-FOX +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

My gggrandmother was Augusta Fay, 4-25-1855 - 2-24-1919. She married a Wandell and lived in Saratoga County, NY. Any connections out there? I am just beginning my research on this line. I have yet to check Orlin P. Fay's book, my next step. Thanks! Susan sdonk@aol.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

----Original Message Follows---- Sorry - did not include my own e-mail address: <cfaye@taconic.net>; in W. MA. Subject: [FAY] Roll call Farthest back researched is: FAY, Joseph, blacksmith, b. 10/17/1835 (or 5/1838?) in St. Bridgets, PQ, Canada; d. 6/18/1916 in Johnson, VT. m. Narcissa Matilda St. John, b. 1838? in PQ, m c. 1855 or 1860, both came to U.S. in 1851. They had 11 children: Emmett, Edward, Alfred, Emma, Henry, Elmer, William, Arthur, Carmi, Florence, Julia. FAY, Elmer, laborer, b. 7/19/1863 in Stowe, Vt, d. c. 1940 in Palmer, MA. M. (1) Mary A. Bullard Tracy & (2) Myrtie Rachel Lambert 10/21/1899 in Johnson, VT. They also had 11 children: Erwin (from first m.), Gladys May, Ethel, Cleo Clifford, Angie, Julia, Clinton Corliz, Lawerence Allen, stillborn child, David, Rachel. FAY, Cleo Clifford, b. 7/10/1903 in Morrisville, VT, d. 11/19/1957 in Agawam, MA. m. Lena Marie LeBeau 8/16/1927 in Northampton, MA . They had 3 children, one of them my husband. I have more info on descendants, but need antecedants. Would be happy to hear from/about either. Chris _____________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi Everybody :) This message was posted earlier today by a college professor encouraging the respect for and proper referencing of copyrighted material from the internet. Please keep this in mind if you post copyrighted materials to the Fay list. Thanks, Bob ----Original Message Follows---- Hi, all, One of the problems I see with my college students (I teach at two colleges in California) is the idea (wish? desire?) that anything on the internet is free and can be copied any time they wish. Recently, one student sent me a copy of George Carlin's commencement speech from last year, "The paradox of our Time...", which I assume Mr. Carlin had the copyright for, but an internet search showed eight sites listing the speech and only one even mentioned Mr. Carlin as the author. Most of the other seven sites listed the author as "unknown" or "anonymous", which only confirms my suspicion that most internet posters don't bother to even see if the work might be copyrighted. By the way, one of the "unknown" sites was a radio news service site. So for me, the biggest problem with the copyright issue is education. I'm working with my students. Please do the same with people you come in contact with. Thanks. Lou ==== L_O_A_F Mailing List ==== PLEASE SIGN UP TO BE AN ORGAN DONOR YOU MIGHT SAVE A LIFE ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Good morning all, Here's the obit for Dr. Dudley S. Fay as taken from The Plain Dealer dated 1-20-1992. I've sent a scanned copy to a couple of people already, but the list may also benefit from it. If, by some chance, someone else is researching Benejah Fay, and his offspring, I'd love to hear from you. A few weeks ago I posted the first few pages of a book which describes his earliest adventures in Parma, Oh. Due to my work schedule, I have yet to visit any of the cemeteries I mentioned looking for more offspring. Unfortunately, I'll be traveling off and on for the next couple of weeks for work. The text below is taken word for word of the obits as found in The Plain Dealer, with the exception of any typing errors on my part. The first obit was the summary, while the second was the full one, both as they were written in The Plain Dealer. FAY Dr. Dudley S. Fay, D.C. beloved husband of the late Opal M. (nee McClarren), dear father of Ruth L., brother of Eugene N., Jerry W., and the late Walter G., brother-in-law of Vera McClarren, dear uncle of six. Passed away Thursday, Jan. 16. Memorials may be forwarded to the Abiding Memorial Fund of Parma-South Presbyterian Church, 6155 Pearl Rd., Parma Hts.., Oh. 44130. Memorial service at Parma-South Presbyterian Church, Monday, Jan. 20 at 3 p.m. Private Internment Sunset Memorial Park. Friends may call at THE BUSCH FUNERAL HOME, A BUSCH FAMILY CHAPEL, 7501 RIDGE RD. FROM 7-9 P.M. SATURDAY, 2-4 and 7-9 P.M. SUNDAY AND FOLLOWING THE MEMORIAL SERVICE MONDAY. Dudley S. Fay, practiced as chiropractor 53 years PARMA Dudley S. Fay was a chiropractor and lifetime resident of Parma. Mr. Fay died Thursday at Parma Community General Hospital. he was 85. Mr. Fay practiced as a chiropractor for 53 years until retiring in 1981. He was past president of the Ohio State Chiropractic Society and was a member of the International Chiropractic Association. He was an ordained elder of the Parma South Presbyterian Church and was a charter member and board member of the Parma Area Historical Society. Mr. Fay was born in 1906 in Parma. He was the great-grandson of Benejah Fay, one of the first settlers in Parma in 1816. His hobbies included woodworking, fishing, and genealogy. Survivors include a daughter, Ruth of Parma, and a brother. Services will be today at 3 p.m. at Parma South Presbyterian Church, 6155 Pearl Rd., Parma.

Well, I saw it on VTWINDHAM, so you can look there to see how they're doing it. Great response so I guess others enjoyed its simplicity, as I did. That would be a rootsweb list- VTWINDHAM SOUND OFF, VTWINDHAM-L@rootsweb.com I tried to send you a link/forward but this thing keeps telling me "that mail in not currently available" ?? Wind chill is -40 here in Western NY today, maybe that effects the lines, beats me. I also see that Bob has sent me a few e-mails on the subject, but I'm not able to open them right now. I would have liked to read them before getting back to you. I checked with rootsweb to see their policy/advice on the privacy issues of including living persons info on gedcom files, etc. They use the 100 year rule. If a person hasn't been dead for 100 years they don't include the info as it has upset some living relatives in many cases. I expected that. Like the 72 year policy on the Privacy Act. I do wish to have my line included for posterity, so left the info with Mary Fay Neslson for her database. That's different than just giving it to everyone, or it should be. I'm excited to see the website. I know you've put a lot into it. Thanks! Holly

According to Orlin P. Fay's book, page 338, Abraham Fay, son of Abraham and Abigail (Martin) Fay married an Abigail. Who is this Abigail? Is this Abigail Godfrey Macomber born 17 June 1792 in Taunton, Bristol County, Massachusetts died 21 August 1883? According to my records she married a Fay (given name unknown) and had Lury Ann Macomber Fay born 29 December 1811. Abigail Macomber married again about 1813 to a Stevens and 2 March 1831 to Ephraim Heselton. Lury Ann Macomber Fay is my ancestor and married Alfred Sawyer. David L. Beckwith ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hello Everyone... I am one of the people who got onto this list "by surprise", but stayed on anyway... you never know, right? Given that this is a surname list... thought the "idea" of a roll call might be a good time to come out and introduce myself... tell you about the FAY interests I have... and hope to hear about all of "you" too. (then pray for intersections or leads!). Some folks reply "to the list" (nice, since all can see it...) and some reply via private e:mail to the poster. I've found that some (if they got a lot of private e:mail) will post a "summary" to the list... and thus all can benefit, learn of research options and possibly connect as well. That said... I am really here "in a little way".... My primary research interest that lead me to the FAY name was my PRATT family research. (They came from ENG into MA - then to southern VT - then northern VT - then western NY - with a few running over to MI). If I add in the colateral (sp?) lines.. I add a few more states! :-) My FAY interests are: >> Bathesheba FAY b 01 Jan 1692/3 in Marlborough, Middlesex Co, MA m. John PRATT 04 Jan 1715/16 in Marlborough (he b 1691 in Sherborn, MA & d 1768 in Bennington, VT) (son of John PRATT and 3rd wife: Ruth Stimpson) d. __??__ in Bennington, VT I see Bathsheba FAY as the daughter of John FAY and Elizabeth WELLINGTON --- and this John FAY as the son of John FAY and Mary BRIGHAM. Also, Bathesheba FAY's sister - Eunice FAY -- married Bathesheba's husband John PRATT's brother -- Isaac PRATT. debbie in california CAhobbies@aol.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

One of my FAY lines 1648 to 2000 1. John FAY Sr (1648-1690) -m1- Mary BRIGHAM 2. John FAY Jr. (1669-1747) -m1 Elizabeth WELLINGTON 3. James FAY (1707-1777) -m Lydia CHILD 4. Daniel FAY (1728-1815 -m2 Mary CROSBY 5. Eliakim FAY (1767- d.?) -m Hannah COX 6. Roxanna FAY (1805-1877) -m Benjamin B. LINCOLN 7. Julius LINCOLN (1834-1904) -m Adeline B. FAY 8. Ida May LINCOLN (1867-1918) -m- Miles Edwin GREEN/E 9. Ruth May GREEN (1888-1937) -m Arthur Leroy MARTIN 10. Mildred Geneieve MARTIN (liv) -m- Neil Jr. VANDER PAN 11. Katey L. VANDER PAN -m Terry Allen VELTING Note: Roxanna FAY and Benjamin B. LINCOLN left the Stockbridge, VT area in 1838 and settled in Cook Co., IL. In Olin P. FAY's book I think the information on Roxanna ends and what is there is very, very limited. We do not have a clue as to parents and siblings of Benjamin B. LINCOLN born 23 Sept 1805 VT, died 7 April 1855 Palatine, Cook, IL. My Mystery FAY Line: Adeline/Adda FAY born 27 Sept 1847 Barnard, Windsor, VT died 18 June 1878 Palatine, Cook, IL (ref: death cert & obit of Julius Lincoln) married 23 Nov 1864 Boylans Grove, Butler, Iowa to Julius LINCOLN. (ref: marriage cert) Have not been able to locate Parents and Siblings of Adeline/Adda FAY. Hope someone can help with this, Thank You, Katey in Michigan PS --- anyone have access to the 1850 Census for Windsor Co., Barnard Twp, VT I am thinking Lorenzo D. FAY on page 408 could be the father of Adeline/Adda FAY 1840 Windsor Co., Barnard, VT Census Page 375 Lorenzo D. FAY 1860 Lorenzo D. FAY is in Orange Co, Randolph Twp, VT Page 350 1870 ????? 1880 Census Index Cook Co., Palatine, IL Page 445 shows Lorenzo D. FAY I have not been able to locate any of the above census to look at this Lorenzo, can anyone help me? Thank you all

Dear Betty Ferguson, The ancestry of Molly/Mary, daughter of Deliverance FAY is one of the hardest lines to solve. Her mother was Deliverance FAY 4 [OPF # 17], Her father is unknown at this point. Deliverance FAY's father was Samuel FAY Jr/ 3 [OPF # 12]. The mother of Deliverance Fay 4 [OPF # 17] was Deliverance Shattuck. Here is a graph. I hope it transports through the computer system. If it does not come through cleanly, send me your e-mail direct to me at <mary.bob.nelson@worldnet.att.net> along with a snail mail address and I can mail it to you. Thomas BRIGHAM SR................................................William SHATTUCK Mercy (HURD.).Brigham-Rice-Hunt................................................... .......+? .........|.................................................................. ................| Mary BRIGHAM + John FAY SR/1 + Susanna (SHATTUCK ) Morse-FAY-Brigham* [OPF # 1-W1].......................................[OPF # 1-W2] ........................|.................................................| Samuel FAY Sr. 2 [OPF # 4].....................Deliverance FAY 2 [OPF # 1-8] + Tabitha WARD [OPF # 4-W1]..................+ Benjamin SHATTUCK* .......................|...................................................| Samuel FAY Jr. 3 [OPF # 12]...........+........Deliverance SHATTUCK 3 [OPF # 1-8-1] .......................................................| .................................Deliverance FAY 4 [OPF # 17] .................................+ ? ........................................................| ...................................Molly/Mary (?) Garfield Maynard 5 [OPF # 17-1] ....................................+ Reuben MAYNARD Deliverance FAY ? [OPF # 17] was born either in Southboro or Westboro, Mass. I don't know if any of the original church records would indicate what her husband's name might have been. I haven't been up to Westboro in about 2 years, but I hope to go this fall, as I have kin up there. I will try to check this out for you, as it intrigues me. * Mr. Thomas Brigham Jr. was a brother of Mary Brigham. * Mr Benjamin Shattuck was a cousin of his wife. Sincerely, Mary (FAY) Nelson 9

Re: Holly's suggestion. I do not know what a soundoff is. How does it differ from our mailing list except in that it posts the individual's email, which one can also include in THIS list? If one replies only by private email, then a person researching the same data would not have the benefit of a published answer. But I may well be missing something. --Linda

One of the things I liked about it was it would indicate where the Fay descendants were hailing from now. When I saw the postings on the Windham, VT soundoff it was very interesting. No matter, just an idea. Holly

Farthest back researched is: FAY, Joseph, blacksmith, b. 10/17/1835 (or 5/1838?) in St. Bridgets, PQ, Canada; d. 6/18/1916 in Johnson, VT. m. Narcissa Matilda St. John, b. 1838? in PQ, m c. 1855 or 1860, both came to U.S. in 1851. They had 11 children: Emmett, Edward, Alfred, Emma, Henry, Elmer, William, Arthur, Carmi, Florence, Julia. FAY, Elmer, laborer, b. 7/19/1863 in Stowe, Vt, d. c. 1940 in Palmer, MA. M. (1) Mary A. Bullard Tracy & (2) Myrtie Rachel Lambert 10/21/1899 in Johnson, VT. They also had 11 children: Erwin (from first m.), Gladys May, Ethel, Cleo Clifford, Angie, Julia, Clinton Corliz, Lawerence Allen, stillborn child, David, Rachel. FAY, Cleo Clifford, b. 7/10/1903 in Morrisville, VT, d. 11/19/1957 in Agawam, MA. m. Lena Marie LeBeau 8/16/1927 in Northampton, MA . They had 3 children, one of them my husband. I have more info on descendants, but need antecedants. Would be happy to hear from/about either. Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I saw another list is doing a soundoff and I think it's efficient. One posts: E-mail address Person they are researching, and dates If willing, the researchers geographic localion (it's interesting!) What do the rest of you think about this? Holly