Dear listers, The following email came through the computers to this list pretty well mangled, but I "fixed" it up as best I can. Bob Fay ********************************************************************** Anyone? There names were Wm Sr. +ACY- Wm Jr. Fay --- +AD4- From: +ACI-Robert +ACY- June Barber+ACI- +ADw-jmb32+AEA-iserv.net+AD4- +AD4- To: +ADw-FAY-L+AEA-rootweb.com+AD4- +AD4- Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 1:52 PM Hi Listers+ACE- Has anyone info on FAY in the Ont/Livingston NY , Genesso/Lavonia area? My Question is weather one of the Fays was a JP or Rev.?? Time line 1816. I have a breif statement by my 3 great GF, that a Rev. Fay married him to Anthea Fox in the Genesso/Lavonia area, 1816. Thanks Bob Barber, also searching BARBERS-RIX-FOX ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Good morning all, Not sure if you were aware but at ANCESTRY online they are offering free searches of Massachusetts vital records. On a whim I typed in FAY under birth records and isolated the search to Sturbridge, MA. I found 32 matches and upon scanning further found actual helpful info. <G> Though at least one item of data does not correspond with info as sent to me out of Orlin P. Fay's book. The parentage of Jabez Fay is listed as Ebenezer & Mary Fay, not Ebenezer & Thankful Fay. Not sure what other disagreements I will find but for your perusal below is the link to the matches. http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=mabirth&gs=&f0=Fay&f3=&f4=Sturbridge&server=search&searchengine=sse.dll&databasename=mabirth&databaseid=4094&Type=F&Submit=Submit Enjoy. Jim Shreve Sr.

Hi Tina, There is an entry in OPF that may be related to your search. Very briefly here is the info and you can decide if its worth pursuing. Jonathon Fay [830} page 69 of Exeter and Huron Township, Michigan His son, Francis b. 1829 res. Carleton Michigan Francis had a son, Daniel,b.?, m.?, 5 children No more info on Daniel is given. Bob Fay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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>snip-routing info< Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:54:14 -0800 I received, in the mail today, the testator of Reuben FAY of Southborough, County of Worcester, Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Reuben was a Yeoman. Mentioned in the will are, Bethiah FAY (wife,) Solomon FAY (son,) Reuben FAY (son,) Lavinah ROOT(?) (daughter,) Hepzibah FAY (daughter,) Louisa FAY (daughter.) Looks like the date is August 26, 1807, but it's hard to read. This Reuben FAYdoes not belong to me. If he is your Reuben FAY, e mail me PRIVATELY and I will send the will to you. marykell@aol.com Proud Rootsweb Donor ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

>Snip-routing info< I found a typo on the message just sent: Townville, Crawford Co. is in Pennsylvania not Illinois. Cordially, Jennifer F.S. Six ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

>snip-routing info< Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:35:11 -0800 Moses Fay was born 5-21-1817 in Fitzwilliam, Cheshire Co., NH & died 1-19-1893 in Townville, Crawford Co., IL. Wife was Elizabeth Ellwood born 1823 in Preble, Cortland Co., NY. Children: Emily Fay (died young), Richard Melville Fay b. 1845 NY (my family line), Charles Fay b. abt 1847 NY, Frances Viola Fay b. abt 1849 NY(died young), Adella Fay b. abt 1852 NY. Resided: Fitzwilliam, Cheshire Co., NH---Bennington, VT &/or Windsor Co., VT---in 1850 Census in Allegany Co., NY---in 1860 Census in Townville, Crawford Co., PA. Moses Fay was my great, great grandfather. Who were his parents??? My cousin insists he descended from the Captain Stephen Fay who was of the "Green Mountain Boys" and owned the Catamont Tavern in Bennington, VT. Has anyone done any research on Capt. Stephen Fay (b. circa 1715 Westboro, MA-- d. 5-17-1781 Bennington, VT) family line??? I have used the Orlin P. Fay's book as reference but some of the info on the descendants is sadly incomplete. Cordially, Jennifer Fay Shoemaker Six 3729 Cambridge Dr. Hurricane, WV 25526 email: sixg@citynet.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

The following message was bounced to me. The first part references the John Fay of New York posting. The second part is general information for any Fay researcher. Bob Fay ********************************************************************* Hello Suggest you check later census pages for the following (since children of the male FAYs would be listed if still living in the area) and work forward from there. Disappearance on a later census of a female FAY would mean she had moved, got married, or died. Should give you a starting point for searching for marriage or death records, or for looking for the appearance of that person on a census for another area. Down the line you should be able to match up some children's names with current phone listings. The last reference does not contain a John J, Mary Ellen, Jane, Rosa, Francis, or Charles FAY, but it might help another FAY researcher. - - - Most likely possibilities: 1860 FAY C. G. Walworth County WI 700 Whitewater 1860 FAY CHARLES Kenosha County WI 244 Wheatland 1860 FAY CHARLES Racine County WI 617 Burlington 1860 FAY CHARLES Racine County WI 827 Raymond 1860 FAY CHARLES Kenosha County WI 244 Wheatland 1860 FAY CHARLES Racine County WI 617 Burlington 1860 FAY CHARLES Racine County WI 827 Raymond 1855 FAY JOHN Milwaukee County WI 011 Milwaukee 1st Ward 1890 FAY JOHN Walworth County WI 002 E.D. 108 Wisconsin 1860 FAY MARY Walworth County WI 261 Geneva 1860 FAY ROSA Kenosha County WI 291 1 W. Kenosha 1850 FAY, Rose Kenosha County WI 242 Kenosha 1st Ward 1850 FAY, Rose Kenosha County WI 242 Kenosha 1st Ward - - - BOOK: Mackenzie, George Norbury, ed. Colonial Families of the US of America. NY: 1907 has references to: Alan Dorothy Edward Motley Elizabeth Elliot (m. Frederic L. DABNEY) Henry Howard (m. Elizabeth Elliot SPOONER) Henry Howard Jr Joseph Storey (m. 21 Sept 1840 Boston to Sarah Smith b 23 Sept 1812 Boston, d 6 Apr 1887) Joseph Storey Jr (m. #1 Rebecca Rodman MOTLBY, #2 Elizabeth ELLIOTT) Joseph Storey III (m. Margaret WELSH) Margaret (m. Thomas MOTLEY Jr) Mary Samuel Prescott Sarah Bryant William Rodman (all FAY surname) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Dear Listers, During the years that I have been working on the Fay's, there has always been somewhat of an open question as to the French (Norman) connection and as to the relationship of the English Fays to the Irish Fays. Mary Fay Nelson recently wrote of the contention some time ago that John Fay of Marlboro was a Huegonut and that was ultimately disproved. Now, while I do not suggest that I know the answer to the French connection, I have found an extensive reference that provides the historical context into which several Fay French, or more properly Norman connections could easily be postulated. This is not a primary source although many primary sources are cited. While it is a start, it hardly explores even on a cursory level this particular facet of Fay history, and I hope there are others as well who will further investigate this reference and other appropriate materials and find the answer to this perplexing question. I hope individuals that are interested can post their results here as they become available. This reference also deals with the Irish Fay/English Fay connection. So this topic has a broad base of interest to all Fay researchers. My purpose in posting this is: 1. To suggest that there are two completely separate FAY lines being discussed in this mail list and creating confusion. They are. A. A FAY line that originated in ancient Ireland as O'Fataigh, and was subsequently Anglicized to Fay, Fahy, and Fahie, and probably also includes O'Fahy, O'Feay, O'Fay and other similiar variants. Please see the posting forwarded to this mailing list by Pat Traynor and posted January 21, 2000 for more complete information on this FAY line. B. A FAY line which originated in Normandy as De Fay, Du Fay, and De La Fay, and was subsequently Anglicized to FAY. Members of this FAY line settled in England and Ireland subsequent to the Norman Conquest. 2. To suggest that the Norman Fay's adopted the surname Fay as a Norman place name, perhaps associated with a nearby beech or oak forest. 3. To suggest that the Norman Fay's are not of French (if there is such a thing) blood but more probably of Scandanavian blood, or perhaps Frankish blood, for several reasons: a. Because the Norman, English and Norman-Irish Fays were landed and therefore were related or in some other fashion closely associated with the ruling class, which was Scandanavian beginning with Rollo (Rolf) in 911, and before that Frankish, ending with Charles the Simple in 911 both in Normandy; and beginning with William the Conqueror in 1066 in England and Ireland. b. Because in the late Dave Fay's website, Dave makes the statement regarding John Erni Remick, a genealogist "John Erni Remick has found conections to William the Conqueror in France, but no bridge between France and Wales, or England has yet been established." But clearly, in the following account William De Fay of Hampshire, England is one and the same William De Fay of Barrentin, Roumare, St Jean-du-Cardanett and St Agnes, Normandy. And it would seem likely that further research into the other early English and Irish De Fay's mentioned in this reference were from Normandy as well. c. If the De Fays are related to William the Conqueror, and since William the Conqueror is directly related to both the Scandanvian Kings and the Old English Kings, it would make sense for the De Fay's to be found in the parts of England ruled by William as well as the parts ruled by the Danish. ********************************************************************** I didn't know anything, and still know very little, about the Norman conquest or feudal and pre-feudal Europe so I had to learn a little about that as well, and here is a very brief summary. ********************************************************************** NORMAN CONQUEST In 1066 Duke William of Normandy, France invaded and conquered England. My references say there was a small population of Normans in England before the Norman Conquest, but by 1087 there were 200,000 Normans, and 1,500,000 English. Following the conquest, the now King William the Conqueror had to repay the many Norman barons who supplied him with money, men and material for the Conquest which he did by awarding English Baronies. 92% of the land in England went to Norman hands following the Conquest. It would make sense for the Norman names to show up on the records of real estate transactions. It's also helpful to know that Normandy had been ruled by Scandanavians since Rollo in 911, and some "Normans" were actually of Scandanavian descent. Under Scandanavian rule, the abbeys in Normandy had been allowed to fall into disrepair, and the Normans during the later stages of Scandanvian rule gave tracts of land to the abbeys for rebuilding the religious institutions. It's also helpful to know that many Normans, beginning with King William and extending in the Barons and other nobility, preferred to spend their time in Normandy, and were only in England the minimum time needed to govern their territories. The office of Sherriff was elevated under Norman rule and had a variety of duties including fiscal and administrative duties to the Duchy. The Sheriff was most prominent because he dispensed justice in all cases in a shire except for the most important cases which were advanced to the Kings Court.The "Marches" are a series of military roads constructed in ancient times to allow the easy movement of troops.[1][2][3][4] I know that some will take issue, properly, with my little one paragraph summary of the Normans and Conquest, but this is a long posting even without it, and the only intent is to provide a little context and detail for the main posting. ********************************************************************** HELPFUL LEGAL DEFINITIONS and ABREVIATIONS Reference [5] Attorne: In old English law, an attorney. Charter: ...In old English law, a deed or other written instrument under seal; a conveyance, covenant, or contract. Effeoffment: The act of investing with any dignity or possession; also the instrument or deed by which a person is invested with possession. Escheat: A reversion of property to the state in consequence of a want of any individual competent to inherit. Escheat at feudal law was the right of the lord of a fee to re-enter the same when it became vacant by the extinction of the blood of a tenant. This extinction might either be "per defectum sanguinis" or else "per delictum tenentis", where the course of descent was broken by the corruption of the blood of the tenant. As the fee might be holden to the crown or to some inferior lord, the escheat was not always to the crown............ Esquire: In English law, a title of dignity next above a gentleman, and below knight. Also a title of office given to sheriffs, serjeants, and barristers at law, justices of the peace and others. Inter Alios: Between other persons; between those who are strangers to a matter in question. Inquisition post mortem: Probably refers to:"Inquisitio post mortem", an inquisition after death. An inquest of office held, during the continuance of military tenures, upon the death of every one of the Kings tenant's to inquire of what lands he died seised, who was his heir, and of what age, in order to entitle the king to his marriage, wardship, relief, primer seisin, or other advantages, as the circunstances of the case might turn out. Seneschal: In old European law, a title of office and dignity, derived from the Middle Ages, answering to that of steward or high steward in England. Seneschals were originally the lieutenants of the Dukes and other great feudatories of the kingdom, and sometimes had the dispensing of justice and high military commands. Seisin: ....The completion of the feudal investigation by which the tenant was admitted into the feud, and performed the rights of homage and fealty. "Primer seisin": In old English law, the right which the king had, when any of his tenants died seised of a knights fee, to receive of the heir, provided he were of full age, one whole years profits of the lands, if they were in immediate pssession; and half a years profits, if the lands were in reversion, expectant on an estate for life. Seized: ....The status of legally owning and possessing real estate. See "seisin" S.P.: Abbreviation of "sine prole", "without issue"..... Tail, estate in: An estate of inheritance, which instead of descending to heirs generally, goes to the heirs of the donee's body, which means his lawful issue, his children, and through them to his grandchildren in a direct line, so long as his posterity endures in a regular order and course of descent, and upon the death of the first owner without isue, the estate determines. "Tail Male": When certain lands are given to a person and the male heirs of his or her body. The female heirs are not capable of inheriting it. ********************************************************************** The following is copied in its entirety from reference [6] and has three basic sections: 1. Reference to various records in Normandy showing French Fay variants. 2. Reference to various documents in England and Ireland referencing various French Fay variants. 3. A pedigree referencing various additional French Fay variants and its eventual shortening to Fay, and covering the period of 1219-1875 The reference for the following is: "Irish Pedigrees; or the Origin and Stem of the Irish Nation" by John O'Hart, 1923, Murphy & McCarty, 86 Walker Street, New York. ********************************************************************** FAY [I] Arms: Vert a dexter arm issuant from the sinister side of the shield, and a sinister arm from the dexter, vested or cuffed ar. the hands ppr. grasping a sword erect of the third, pommel and hilt of the second, the blade thrust through a dragons head couped of the last. Crest: A dragons head couped or. Motto: Toujours fidele. The De Fays, or De La Fays are of frequent mention in the old Norman Charters, and even at the present day, the family has many representaives amongst the Gallic Nobility. The Viscounts De Latour Maubourg (from whom sprung the Princes D'Auvergne) are stated "to have assumed their sirnames from the Lordship of Fay in Picardy, of which they have been possessed at least as early as the year 1000;" while the Counts Mauleveru, the Counts De La-Grange, the Viscounts De La Faye De Bourbonais and Du Fai de Sauvernay, as well as the Irish Branch now under consideration,appear to have assumed theirs from the Fief of Fay, now in the Parish of St. Honorine-Du-Fay, in Normandy, which was possessed by the family at an equally remote period. Du Conge suggests that the local name "Fay" signified anciently, a Beech or Oak-wood; and that the Abbey of Silly, which was situate in the great forest of St Andre-en-Goufferin, near Fallaise, is styled indifferently in ancient documents "De Silva," "De Bosco", and De Faya". To this abbey in 1202, Garinus, Lord of Bello-Altairi, granted certain lands "heretofore held by W. D. Mandeville, Earl of Essex, of Robert De Fay, father of the said Garinus, as of his Fief of Bello Altari." To the neighboring Abbey of St Andre-en-Goufferin, Burgundian Du Fay, Lady of Harrier, made grants of lands; as did in 1225 Nicote, sister of Raoul Du Fay, which the latter confirmed as "dependant on his Fief of Fay, in the parish of St Honorine-Du-Fay," while Helie Du Fay made a similiar confirmation to the same Abbey, of lands in his Fay-du-Pre', in the parish of Villy. The first of the name Fay we meet in England is Radulphus or Ralph De Fay, or De La Fay, to whom Henry the II in 1154 granted the extensive Manor of Bromely, in Surrey. He held until the 19th of Henry II, when taking part with Prince Henry against his father, he was disseized, and Bromely was granted to Baldwin De Bethune. Afterwards it was again escheated when King John by charter, dated at Poiou, 4th December 1199, granted it to Ralph De Fay, the son, who, with many members of his family was then engaged in that monarchs service in France. This Ralph married Beatrix, sister and co heir of Stephen De Turnham, Seneschal of Poictou, and dying in 1222, left by her who remained with Hugh De Plaiz -John De Fay, his heir, on whose death s.p. in 1241, the Manor of Bromeley passed to his sister, Maud, who married first, William De Clere, and secondly, William De Braiose; and Phillipa, who married William De Neville. In 1215 King John commands De Podio, Seneschal of Angoule'me, "That you without delay cause to be seized into our hands, the land which belonged to William De Mastad, which came to our beloved and faithful William De Fay, in right of his wife, daughter, and heir of the said William De Mastad." In 1215, the said William De Fay, and Ralph, his brother had a grant of land in Hampshire, heretofore the estate of Robert De Mandville. In the same year King John granted to the said William De Fay, the lands of Barrentin, Roumare, St Jean-du-Cardonett, and St Agnes, in Normandy, a grant which was subsequently confirmed by Phillip Augustus. In 1225, William De Fay, electing to remain in Normandy, his lands at Polehampton, Hampshire, were confiscated. In 1208, King John confirms to "Peter De Fay, our Burgess of Rochelle, the reasonable gift made him by Ralph De Fay, of the office of 'Baker and Pasturer' of Rochelle, and of the Hundred Shillings rent in the 'Minages" of Rochelle, and in the Forty Schillings out of the house in Rochelle, wherein Elias gasket formerly had an exchange." The first mention of the name which we have discovered in Ireland is in 1219, when Richard De Fay, Knight of De Lacy, Lord of Meath, was sent by the latter on a mission to the King. About this time, Richard De Fay was seized of Mayneston, in Herefordshire, which is held of the Lord John Monmouth, by ancient enfeoffment. In 1220, Richard and Walter De Fay witness charters of the De Monmouth family, of which House, we may here observe, was Rosa De Monmouth, the first wife of Hugh De Lacy, the "Conqueror" of Meath. In 1281, the King notifies that Richard De Fay, remaining in Ireland, by the kings License, had attorned before him, Geoffreys Te Ireys, and Richard Pickeyleigh. (Pickeyleigh adjoins Maynestown in all pleas and plaints in England). In 1289, Theobald Le Verdon, Lord of the Western moiety of Meath, had a suit with Richard De Fay, concerning the lands of Tyrlicken, or Tyrkillen, in that county. During the course of the proceedings it was expressly stated, "that De Fay was then abroad in the Kings wars." In 1290, George De Fay was seized of premises in Kilmer, Donore, and Glackmore, in the Liberty of Trim, in right of his wife Isabella, daughter of Richard Fitz John, the fifth Baron of Delvin. In 1339, Walter Fitz George De Fay had a suit with his grandmother, Eglantine, widow of Lord Delvin, concerning the above lands, which she also claimed as daughter and heir of William Deweswell, of Deweswelltown, co. Dublin and Kilmer, co. Meath. Shortly after this, John Engelande (a Trustee) conveyed to Richard Fitz George De Fay, the estate of Comerstown, in the Barony of Fore, and of Mayestown, in the Barony of Moyashell, in "Tale Male"; with remainder to Roger De Fay-which Roger De Fay succeeded; and dying before 1380 was siezed, inter alios, of Comerstown, Ballindinam, and Bartanstown. [II} In 1384, his son, John Fitz Roger Fay of Dernegaran was plaintiff in a suit at Trim against George Fitz Walter Fay and Phillip Tuite, for having unlawfully dissiezed him of the above lands, and a verdict was given in his favour; whereupon the said George Fitz Walter appealed, on the grounds that the Jury who tried the case had not been fairly impaneled, "and by reason that Thomas Chamber, the Sheriff, had taken to wife Anne Dardis, cousin of said John Fay." thereupon a new Jury was ordered to be impanelled by the Keeper of the Kings Pleas, which confirmed the verdict of the first-mitigating, however, the damages against George Fitz Walter Fay, "by reason of his minority." In 1465, the Crown having raised some question as to the title of James Fay (son and heir of John Fitz Roger) to the Comerstown estate, he proved it (under the conveyance made by John Englande above cited) in a Parliment held in Trim in that year, in Drogheda in 1468, and in Dublin in 1469. He complains bitterly at being harrassed by this inquiry "that his lands were situate on the Marches, and that he had great trouble defending them against his own and the Kings enemies." This James, it is presumed, was the father of George Fay, who died in 1514, seized of Comerstown and Dernegara, as appears from an Inquisition post mortem, taken at Duleek in that year; and from whom th Pedigree is carried down to the present day, as follows: 1. George Fay of Dernegara, in Westmeath, born in 1435, died May 1514, leaving Gerald, his son, then aged 40; and married as appears from an Inquisition post mortem, taken at Ratoah. 2. Gerald Fay of Dernegara, who was engaged in the Rebellion of "Silken Thomas;" and dying in 1548, was succeeded by his son: 3. Gerald Fay of Dernegara, then aged 40, and married to Joan Fitzgerald by whom he had George, James of Comerstown, and Christopher. He was Sheriff of West Meath in 1565, and died in 1576. 4. George of Dernegara, son of Gerald, died vita Patris,leaving by Mary Fitzgerald, his wife, four sons- 1. Gerald, 2. George, 3. Redmond (all of whom died s.p.), and 4. Meyler. 5. Meyler, of Comerstown:son of George; married Margery Nugent, by whom he had an only son Edward; and dying Nov. 1627, was buried in the Abbey of Multifarnham. 6. Edward, of Garlandstown House and Dernegara: son of Meyler; married Eliza, daughter of Theobald Nugent, Esq., of New Haggard (by Mary, daughter of Nugent, of Carlanstown, ancestor of the extinct Earl Nugent). By this lady, Edward has six sons- 1. Garret, who left issue, Anne, who married Nicholas brother of the celebrated Father Aloyius Stafford, who was killed at Aughrim; and Captain George Fay, who had the benefit of the Articles of Limerick, and thereby saved the Garlandstown estate, which descended to his daughters and co-heiresses (Mrs Kenedy and Mrs. Lessac); 2. Meyler, died s.p.; 3. Stephan, a priest died s.p.; 4. Anthony, died s.p.; and 6. Thomas. Edward Fay, taking a very active part in the troubles of 1641, had his estate confiscated by Cromwell. On the Restoration, this settlement is recited in the Decree dated March 1663, restoring a portion of the property to Richard Nugent as trustee for the four surviving sons of Edward Fay, viz: 1. Garret, of whom presently; 2. Meyler of Comerstown, who died s.p. in 1688; 3. Stephan, a priest who died in 1687; Thomas of Togher, of whom hereafter. The eldest son, Garret, resided at the Castle of Dernegaragh, and, dying in April 1687, left: 1. Mary, married to Luke Cashell, gent. of Sturrock, in Louth, and of Down, in Westmeath; 2. Anne, [III] who married first, Nicholas Stafford, and, secondly, Nicholas Read, Esq., of Dunbyne; 3. George Fay, of Garlandstown, a Captain of Foot in the service of King James II, who having been included in the Articles of Limerick, saved the estate, which in 1730 was in possession of his daughters and co-heirs, Mrs. Kenedy and Mrs. Lessac. Edward Fay d. in March 1685, and the male line of the family was continued by his youngest son.[IV] 7. Thomas Fay, of Dernegara, who married (in 1660), Anne, sister of ------Blake, Esq., of Castletown, by whom he had three sons- 1. Martin; 2. John Mo'r; 3. Thomas Mo'r; and a daughter Frances, who married Owen Johnson, Esq., alias MacShane, son of Colonel John O'Neil of the Fews, and Lettice, daughter of Lord Blayney. From this marriage descended the Johnsons of Warrenstown, in Meath, and Sir W. G. Johnson, Baronet, of Twickenham. Thomas Fay having been attainted in 1691, settled in Damaelstown in Meath. 8. Martin, of Damaelstown and Carboggy: son of Thomas; married in 1709 Catherine, daughter of -------Malone, of Possextown (by Anne, daughter of Thomas Plunkett, Esq., of Possexstown and Gibstown); and dying in 1765 left issue- 1. Thomas, 2. Patrick, #. John. The eldest son, 9. Thomas, of Annsbrokk, and Mayo House, county of Meath, and of Drumherk, co. Cavan died January 31st, 1796, aged 86; leaving by his wife Katherine, daughter of Mr. Thomas Murray, two sons- 1.Patrick, who's issue is extinct in Ireland; and 2. John. 1. John, of Ballyhaise, who married, first in 1789, Miss O'Dowd, by whom he had one son, Thomas (of whom hereafter); and secondly, in 1797, Miss Brady, by whom he had James of Moyne Hall, and Patrick. James fay of Moyne hall died in 1863, leaving two sons-John of Moyne Hall who was High Sheriff of Cavin, in 1874; and Thomas, A.B., of Dublin and Heath Lodge. John of Ballyhaise died January 31st, 1836, aged 76. 11. Thomas Fay of Faybrook, co. Cavan, born 1794, and who died 1880, married Mary Herbert [V], only daughter of Patrick MacCabe, Esq., of Ballybay, and by her had four sons- 1. Patrick MacCabe Fay, Chevalier of the Legion of Honour; and 2. Thomas-Francis, of Trim; and 3. James-Henry Fay, J.P., of Faybrook, High Sheriff for co. Cavan in 1881; 4. Charles-Joseph Fay, who was High Sheriff for the co. Cavan; all living in 1887. Also three daughters- 1. Marianne-Frances, wife of Philip Smith, J.P., Arina, co.Cavan, and Colmanstown House, co. Galway; 2. Eleanore Gertrude (died in 1875), wife of John MacCarrick, Esq., of Cloonany House, county Sligo; 3. Margaretta S. Clare, widow of Francis O'Farrell, Esq., of Dublin. Footnotes: [I]. Fay:For further information respecting this family, see Manning and Bray's Surrey; De Roque's:An Ancient Maisons de la Normandy-Article: "Du Fay"; Calendar of Close Rolls, in the Tower of London; MS. Pedigrees, in Trinity College, Dublin; etc.. There was a branch of this family seated in the county Kildare, which for many generations occupied the position of political agents and confidential trustees to the Earls of Kildare. The head of this family, Nicholas Fay of Ballinure, was specially exempted from pardon for life or estate by Cromwell. Another branch of the family was seated in Trumroe, in Westmeath, which was very similiarly favored. Both these families appear to have recovered some part of their estates at the Restoration; as George Fay of Castlepollard whose will is dated in the same year, and preserved in the Registry of Deeds Office leaves a conditional bequest to his brother Michael "in case I (the Testator) should herafter enjoy my estate of Tromroy;" a condition of hope not unusual in the Jacobite Wills of the period. This George was the brother of the gallant Geoffrey Fay, Captain in Sir Neil O'Neil's Regiment of Horse, who gave the name to "Fay's Ford", on the Boyne, and who was popularily said to be be the last man (aided by his brother) who opposed the passing of the Williamite Army. Jeffrey was killed at the Battle of Assanno, in Italy in 1714. See letter preserved in the Archives of Franciscian Convent, Merchants Quay, Dublin. [II]. Bartanstown: On the 17th of May, 1680, Garret Fay of Dernegara, filed a Bill in Chancery against his youngest brother Thomas, for having entered into possesion of Comerstown, Ballindrian, and Bartanstown. The latter was thereupon bailed in the sum of L1,000 by Richard Barnewall, Darby Dunn, Michael Hall, and Nicholas Barnewall, all of the city of Dublin. From his grandson and namesake, Thomas Fay of Annsbrook and Mayo House, county of Meath, who settled in Cavan in 1780, descend the Fays of Faybrook and Moyne Hall in that county. [III]. Anne: By her second husband (Mr. Read of Dunboyne) Anna Fay (whose will was proved in 1735) left issue two co-heirs, of whom Jane m. Andrew Palles, of Mount Palles co. Cavan, ancestor of the Right Hon. the Chief Baron Palles, of Dublin, living in 1887. [IV]. Son: Edward Fay had daughters of whom Mary m. Oliver Nugent of Mabestown, who died in 1682, leaving Henry Nugent, who married Eleanore Burrowes of Stradone House, co. Cavan. [V]. This Mary Herbert MacCabe became sole heir of her father, whose maother was the daughter and heiress of Mr. Peter McMahon of Recane, county Monaghan, by Ellinor his wife, daughter of "The O'Duffy of Clontibret," by Mary, his wife, daughter of "The MacKenna of Trough" commonly called 'The Major" who was killed March 1689, defending the Fort of Drumbanagher, near Glaslough, for King James II. Mr. MacMahon of Rekane was nephew of Hugh MacMahon, Archbishop of Armagh (whose nephews, Bernard and Ross MacMahon, succeeded him in the primatial chair), and a grandson of Colla Dhu MacMahon, titular Lord of Darty, by Aileen, daughter of "The O'Reilly"-styled by Earl of Cavan, and niece of the great Owen Roe O'Neil. Colla Dhu was great-grandson of Sir Brian (MacHugh Oge) MacMahon, Lord of Darty, by Lady Mary O'Neil, daughter of Hugh, Earl of Tyrone-the unfortunate chief whose "Flight" gave facilities for the "Plantation of Ulster." See No. 127 in the "MacMahone" of Darty pedigree, Vol L. ********************************************************************** REFERENCES [1] The Norman Conquest: It's Setting and Impact, by Dorothy Whitelock, David Douglas, Charles Lemmon, Frank Barlow, intro by CT Chevallier, Charles Scribner's Sons, New York, 1966 [2] The Normans, The Men Who Made The English Speaking World, by Timothy Baker, McMillan Company, New York, 1966. [3] William the Conqueror, David C Douglas, University of California Press, 1964. [4] The Conquest of England, by John Richard Green, Harper & Brothers, New York. Undated (Preface dated 1883). [5] Blacks Law Dictionary, by Publishers Editorial Staff, West Publishing, St paul, MN, 1990 [6] Irish Pedigrees; or the Origin and Stem of the Irish Nation, by John O'Hart, 1923, Murphy and McCarthy, 86 Walker Street, New York. I hope that provides a few clues for some, Robert W. 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>From the WORDS list ********************************************************************** I recieved this from a genealogy list and it came with permission to copy and forward.It was stipulated that Dan Burrows,the aurthor from the Texas Erath Co.list must be given credit. I have so done. Old Occupations Accomptant Accountant Almoner Giver of charity to the needy Amanuensis Secretary or stenographer Artificer A soldier mechanic who does repairs Bailie Bailiff Baxter Baker Bluestocking Female writer Boniface Keeper of an inn Brazier One who works with brass Brewster Beer manufacturer Brightsmith Metal Worker Burgonmaster Mayor Caulker One who filled up cracks (in ships or windows or seems to make them watertight by using tar or oakum-hem fiber produced by taking old ropes apart Chaisemaker Carriage maker Chandler Dealer or trader; one who makes or sells candles; retailer of groceries, ship supplier Chiffonnier Wig maker Clark Clerk Clerk Clergyman, cleric Clicker The servant of a salesman who stood at the door to invite customers; one who received the matter in the galley from the compositors and arranged it in due form ready for printing; one who makes eyelet holes in boots using a machine which clicked. Cohen Priest Collier Coal miner Colporteur Peddler of books Cooper One who makes or repairs vessels made of staves & hoops, such as casks, barrels, tubs, etc. Cordwainer Shoemaker, originally any leather worker using leather from Cordova/Cordoba in Spain Costermonger Peddler of fruits and vegetables Crocker Potter Crowner Coroner Currier One who dresses the coat of a horse with a currycomb; one who tanned leather by incorporating oil or grease Docker Stevedore, dock worker who loads and unloads cargo Dowser One who finds water using a rod or witching stick Draper A dealer in dry goods Drayman One who drives a long strong cart without fixed sides for carrying heavy loads Dresser A surgeon's assistant in a hospital Drover One who drives cattle, sheep, etc. to market; a dealer in cattle Duffer Peddler Factor Agent, commission merchant; one who acts or transacts business for another; Scottish steward or bailiff of an estate Farrier A blacksmith, one who shoes horses Faulkner Falconer Fell monger One who removes hair or wool from hides in preparation for leather making Fletcher One who made bows and arrows Fuller One who fulls cloth;one who shrinks and thickens woolen cloth by moistening, heating, and pressing; one who cleans and finishes cloth Gaoler A keeper of the goal, a jailer Glazier Window glassman Hacker Maker of hoes Hatcheler One who combed out or carded flax Haymonger Dealer in hay Hayward Keeper of fences Higgler Itinerant peddler Hillier Roof tiler Hind A farm laborer Holster A groom who took care of horses, often at an inn Hooker Reaper Hooper One who made hoops for casks and barrels Huckster Sells small wares Husbandman A farmer who cultivated the land Jagger Fish peddler Journeyman One who had served his apprenticeship and mastered his craft, not bound to serve a master, but hired by the day Joyner / Joiner A skilled carpenter Keeler Bargeman Kempster Wool comber Lardner Keeper of the cupboard Lavender Washer woman Lederer Leather maker Leech Physician Longshoreman Stevedore Lormer Maker of horse gear Malender Farmer Maltster Brewer Manciple A steward Mason Bricklayer Mintmaster One who issued local currency Monger Seller of goods (ale, fish) Muleskinner Teamster Neatherder Herds cows Ordinary Keeper Innkeeper with fixed prices Pattern Maker A maker of a clog shod with an iron ring. A clog was a wooden pole with a pattern cut into the end Peregrinator Itinerant wanderer Peruker A wig maker Pettifogger A shyster lawyer Pigman Crockery dealer Plumber One who applied sheet lead for roofing and set lead frames for plain or stained glass windows. Porter Door keeper Puddler Wrought iron worker Quarrier Quarry worker Rigger Hoist tackle worker Ripper Seller of fish Roper Maker of rope or nets Saddler One who makes, repairs or sells saddles or other furnishings for horses Sawbones Physician Sawyer One who saws; carpenter Schumacker Shoemaker Scribler A minor or worthless author Scrivener Professional or public copyist or writer; notary public Scrutiner Election judge Shrieve Sheriff Slater Roofer Slopseller Seller of ready-made clothes in a slop shop Snobscat / Snob One who repaired shoes Sorter Tailor Spinster A woman who spins or an unmarried woman Spurrer Maker of spurs Squire Country gentleman; farm owner; justice of peace Stuff gown Junior barrister Stuff gownsman Junior barrister Supercargo Officer on merchant ship who is in charge of cargo and the commercial concerns of the ship. Tanner One who tans (cures) animal hides into leather Tapley One who puts the tap in an ale cask Tasker Reaper Teamster One who drives a team for hauling Thatcher Roofer Tide waiter Customs inspector Tinker Am itinerant tin pot and pan seller and repairman Tipstaff Policeman Travers Toll bridge collection Tucker Cleaner of cloth goods Turner A person who turns wood on a lathe into spindles Victualer A tavern keeper, or one who provides an army, navy, or ship with food Vulcan Blacksmith Wagoner Teamster not for hire Wainwright Wagon maker Waiter Customs officer or tide waiter; one who waited on the tide to collect duty on goods brought in. Waterman Boatman who plies for hire Webster Operator of looms Wharfinger Owner of a wharf Wheelwright One who made or repaired wheels; wheeled carriages,etc. Whitesmith Tinsmith; worker of iron who finishes or polishes the work Whitewing Street sweeper Whitster Bleach of cloth Wright Workman, especially a construction worker Yeoman Farmer who owns his own land >snip-routing info< Congrats to Dan Burrows for compiling this and thinking of the Lists by giving his permission to send this to other Lists! This is worth printing out & keeping!! - Shirley ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

>snip-routing info< From: Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> Reply-To: nymets11@pacbell.net Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:31:23 -0800 John Caughey, the listowner of the Ireland mailing list, printed this list yesterday. He has given me permission to copy it and send it to my lists. I have printed mine out for later use. ============================================================ National Archieves, |Tel (01) 407 2300 Bishop Street, Fax: (01) 407 2333 DUBLIN, Web: http://www.nationalarchives.ie Ireland. Email: mail@nationalarchives.ie Mon-Fri 10am-5pm Registry of Deeds, |Tel (01) 670 7500 Henrietta Street Fax: (01) 804 8406 DUBLIN 1 Web: http://www.irgov.ie/landreg/ Ireland. Email: webmaster@landregistry.ie Mon-Fri 10am-4.30pm Valuation Office, Tel: (01) 817 1000 Irish Life Centre Fax: (01) 817 1800 Lower Abbey Street, Web: http://www.valoff.ie DUBLIN 1 Mon-Fri: 9.30am-12.30pm. Ireland. 2pm-4.30pm. General Register Office of Northern Ireland, 49-55 Chichester Street, Tel: (01232) 252 021 Belfast BT1 4H6 Fax: (01232) 252 120 Northern Ireland. Web: http://www.nics.gov.uk/nisra.gro/ (For birth, marriage and death certificates ) 6.00 BPS Land Commission, 24 Merrion Street, DUBLIN 2 Ireland. Public Record Office of Northern Ireland, 66 Balmoral Avenue, Belfast BT9 6NY Northern Ireland. Tel: (01232) 251 318 Fax: (01232) 255 999 Web: http://www.proni.nics.gov.uk/index.htm Email: proni@docni.gov.uk General Register Office of Ireland, Joyce House, 8-11 Lombard Street East, DUBLIN 2 Ireland. (For birth, marriage and death certificates) Tel: (01) 671 100 Fax: (01) 671 1243 Website & Email: none Mon-Fri 9.30am-12.30pm and 14.15-16.30pm National Library of Ireland, Kildare Street, DUBLIN 2 Ireland. Tel: (01) 603 0200 Fax: (01) 676 6690 Web: http://www.heanet.ie/natlib/ Mon-Wed 10am-9pm Thurs/Fri 10am-5pm Sat 10am-1pm Genealogical Office, 2 Kildare Street, DUBLIN 2 Ireland. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ When writing to any of the above, it is useful to enclose international postage vouchers. When making enquiries, give as much detail as possible. Technical Note: When replying to posts on the list, please try to snip some of the copied text to save other Subscribers, and yourself, on downloading time and cost. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ North of Ireland Family History Society c/o Queen's University, School of Education 69 University Street, Belfast BT7 1HL Email: RCDavison@msn.com URL: http://www.mni.co.uk/nifhs The Society formed in 1979, is a voluntary non-profit making organisation depending on the support of those who are interested in family history. The object of the Society is to foster interest in the study of family history, with special reference to families who have had roots in this part of Ireland and to their descendants elsewhere. Ulster Historical Foundation 12 College Square East Belfast BT1 6DD email: enquiry@uhf.dnet.co.uk URL: http://www.uhf.org.uk Ruesch International Bank 700 Eleventh Street NW Washington DC USA 20001-1507 Just call FREEPHONE 1-800-124-2923 and for a small fee they will post you a sterling cheque made payable to the party of your choice. Useful for paying for copy birth certificates in UK, etc. The addresses of all the research centers are at: http://www.worldgenweb.org/ireland/research.htm Representative Church Body Library Braemor Park, Churchtown Dublin 14 Note: Church of Ireland records are held here. Many recently updated records are also held. 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>snip-routing info< Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:50:57 -0800 Greetings, Am new to the list......Looking for descendants of Patrick and Ann Farrell Fay. Family story has it that they were in Cumberland, MD in 1846 and were Baptismal sponsors for Rose Ann Byrne, daughter of Michael and Catherine Farrell Byrne, in July of 1846. Sometime between then and October of 1848, both couples left Cumberland; the Byrnes to Pennsylvania; the Fays to Falls Church, VA. A number of years later....I believe in the 1940's or even '50's...there were people by the name of White in Falls Church that were descendants of the Fays. Ann Fay and Catherine Byrne supposedly were sisters, and this is my reason for trying to track them down. Catherine and Michael Byrne were my great grandparents, and we know nothing about their parents, siblings, etc. I know this is pretty vague, just thought I'd give it a shot...nothing ventured; nothing gained. Thanks in advance. Pat Byrne Thurmes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

>snip-routing info< Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:53:36 -0800 Hello to all. When I received my G-grandfathers death certificate I received a nice little surprise. The name of a second wife. I then researched for a marriage record for her and my g-grandfather. The following info was taken off of that marriage record. Peter Vacik married a Mrs. Magdalena (Magdeline) Fay on 27 Feb, 1893 in Cuyahoga Cty, OH. I then located a death record for Magdalena (Magdeline) Vacik. The following info was taken from the death certificate. Magdalena (Magdeline) Vacik was born on 15 June, 1849 in Bohemia. Her father was a John Kohout, mother unknown. She died 12 Jan, 1918. The informant listed on the death certificate was her son from her first marriage a Mr. John Fay. He lived at 4117 E.116th Street Cleveland, OH. At the time of the death of his mother. I am currently waiting on responses from several different archives in OH for info requests that I placed for both John Fay and Magdalena. Just trying to see if any of this may ring a bell for anyone else out there. Thank you all and happy Hunting. John Kangas ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

counter started at 100. I don't like to start at 0... the url is forbidden???? wonder what in the world THAT means.. ok, I'll take a look a bit later. more later.. I am off to buy a computer :)))) I like the job, or I wouldn't stick it out.. but darn it, the hours are unbelievable! grin.. Linda

Dear fellow Wisconsin researchers, The following message came across my FAY list and seeks further information on a variety of surnames in the Menasha, Fond-du-Lac, and Neenah areas that are related to the Fay's. If you can help Mary locate these people or put her in contact with them, it would certainly be appreciated. And if anyone is interested in the Fay list, please drop me a note at johnfay1645@hotmail.com. Sincerely, Robert W Fay Union Grove, Wisconsin ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mary F. Nelson" <mary.bob.nelson@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: FAY-L@rootsweb.com To: FAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [FAY] FAY, George Washington, b. 1823 V/.d 1896. SD Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:45:19 -0500 Dear Fellow Researchers, For a change I am putting out an inquiry. I am trying to find my closest cousins who are descendants of George Washington Fay, born 1823 in Royalton, Vermont and his wife Nancy Betsey ROBINSON, born 1824 in Royalton, Vermont. They moved to Fond-du-Lac, Wisconsin in 1848/49 and then moved to Menasha, Wisconsin in 1850. Dr. George Washington Fay was a Surgeon in the 32nd Wisconsin Infantry and served during most of the Civil War. He was also a Land Agent as well as a doctor. George Washington Fay died in May of 1896 in Huron, South Dakota, and was buried in Neenah, Wisconsin. Nancy Betsey Robinson died in 1901, I think. One of his sons, William Martin Fay was born in Huron, S.D. in about 1862. William married Miss Jeanne Louise WUILLEMIN in 1911 in Elgin, Ill. They had one son, my father, Richard William Fay. I have found the descendants of Charles J. Fay SR. Two of his great granddaughters are living in Wisconsin. Now I am trying to find the families of Ida May FAY who married Lorenzo Jones, and the family of Anna Webster FAY, adopted daughter of G.W.Fay, who married William Oscar Schmidt. My grandfather and his wife are buried in Elgin Illinois. Most of the rest of the family is buried in the Oak Hill Cemetery in Neenah, Wisconsin, near Menasha, WI Some of the names that I am looking for are: Henry Isherwood, Robert Isherwood, Fay Isherwood Harry E. Jones, Sadie B. Jones, Charles Loren Jones James Fentrie, Mary Fay Fentrie, Gordon Fentrie Marguerite Jones, Laura Jones William J. Griffin, Lucile Griffin, Irene Griffin, Ida Fay Griffin Dorothy Schmidt My Dad died in 1972 and we lost contact with these cousins. He had a specific request of me before he died, and that requires that I find all of the above people or their kin. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Mary (Fay) Nelson 9 ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

At 09:55 AM 1/27/00 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Mary, >I saw your note yesterday regarding your search for more Fay descendants >in Wisconsin. I am on the Wisconsin list, and can forward your note if >you'd like. I have several other Wisconsin Fays to go to that list too, so >its no big deal. >Bob Fay >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Dear Bob, Thank you so much for your help. Please forward the note to Wisconsin FAYs although at present I really can't add another list to my computer. I am just about swamped at present, with Cook Co, Ill Traces, Roots-L-Digester and FAY-D-Digest. However, I will be glad to help anyone if the contact me directly by e-mail. The more distribution that above mentioned particular note gets, the better, as these would be my closest kin. I need to find them in order to get permission from all concerned to recut a pair of gravestones or to put up a new one in their place. My Dad was really upset to find that his grandfather's gravestone read "FATHER" and not George Washington Fay" and that his grandmother's read "Mother" and not "Nancy Betsey Robinson FAY" Because of the lack of the name, my second cousins twice removed, who live in Wisconsin, were unaware of the location of his grave and of their own greatgrandfather and grandfather's graves. If you need filler you can use this: The FAY Family Contact Person and What She Does: As the Contact Person for the FAY Family Gathering, I end up doing a lot more than just inputting the Orlin P. Fay and other sources into the FAY Family Data Bank. I have also reunited about 40 people with their long-lost but closer-than-me cousins. So far I have entered into the FAY Family Data Base some 23 files of data alphabetically arranged by given name within the FAY surname, and 5 by Surname for those FAY women who married "out" of our family. Each file runs about 500,000+ pieces of data/ bytes? (Several years ago, I mistakenly pushed "print whole document" on the single file I had and it was 650 pages long. I really had to scramble for paper, because I had not learned to "cancel print" on printing jobs.) There is also a separate file for FAY References. All of this is in Word Perfect, not a GEDCOM File. I am adding several people per day to the files, on most days. I have helped one person find resources for a book on Mr. Wells, the husband of a Susan Fay and a Civil War Veteran who died three days after he returned from the that war. I also helps his grandnephew interpret cemetery documents. I am also researching another of his great uncles who lived in Annapolis, MD. I seem to be a traveling FAY Bard or Herald these days with side trips to meet the cousins, as well as making a report to the FAY Family Gathering of Washington DC every month or so. I am constantly doing my own research in libraries and genealogical societies, so that I will have better answers for my readers. I also go to cemeteries and photograph FAY and allied family gravestones and transcribe them for my Data Base. We just got a scanner for Christmas, so now I can try to input some photographs into my files, when I get the hang of the machine. My next order of business will be getting a digital camera so that I can get the stuff directly into computer code. I will also try for a video camera, so that I can film our FAY kin to share with y'all. Then, I am constantly evaluating the material which is sent to me by informants. This includes buying books and then reading the passages, so that I can try to determine how valid a book may be. I can then post my opinions to the FAY-D-Digest list for all of you to read. I also try to answer a myriad of questions which FAY Cousins have concerning their own families, and FAY Researchers have concerning their research subjects. It really helps when I receive a new list of descendants down from an end point in Orlin P. Fay's book, but it takes a tremendous amount of time to open new files and get the new data hooked up to the old stuff in the data base. In putting a family line can take a week, if it is along list of people. I am thankful for the snow and cold this week, so I am able to bear down on the FAY research without wanting to go out so much. (I got about 16 inches at my house and the snow piles, which took two days to dig out, are more than 4 feet high). I also try to initiate new FAY genealogists into this exciting world of genealogy, by answering how-to questions using my own research as examples. Therefore, one frequently gets two items for the price of one. I serve as an Informant to the FAY -D-Digest and the GENFORUM: Fay Family Genealogical Forum. On the local level, I set up lunches for our FAY Family Gathering of Washington, D.C. which are mini family reunions of the local descendants of John Fay Sr/1 [OPF #1] We have between 25-30 families here, representing most of the lines of descent from John Fay Sr., and about 10 to 30 people will show up for lunch at a given location. We plan to have a picnic this summer, if I can find a park with a shelter in the Washington DC area. Now, I am beginning to work on a FAY Family Reunion for Thanksgiving Weekend to be held in Massachusetts, if I can get enough support. The occasion would be the 310th Anniversary of the death of John Fay Sr/1 (Dec. 5, 1690). With the uncertain calendars of the time (New Style/Old Style), I think that Thanksgiving would be close enough to the date and would give us a long weekend (4 days) for most FAYs to come "Home." We would be talking of a major level Reunion here as I have more than 200 family correspondents in the National FAY Family Directory. Each correspondent has their own family list as well, but not the National list. So we have the potential for lots of people to come and have a good time finding out who the FAY's are. However, I can't do this size reunion alone, so if you can help, please send an E-mail with a Subject line with "310th Fay FG" and be sure that I have your address and telephone number. Send it to me directly at <mary.bob.nelson@worldnet.att.net> Further down the track in 2006, I would like another FAY Family Gathering/Reunion for the 350th Anniversary of the arrival of John Fay to the American Colonies This one would be in late June, 2006. It would be even bigger than this year's project. The National FAY Family Directory is a list which is used only for FAY Family business, and to reunite long lost cousins, and for a possible hard copy newsletter, which I keep promising, but I haven't found the time to get started. Each entry contains the full name of the FAY descendant, their spouse, their address, telephone number e-mail&/FAX number; line of descent form John FAY Sr./ 1, and children with birth dates for children optional. Thus you see why I don't send out the list to you. However, I will introduce you to other cousins from that list. I also have a Local FAY Family Directory because the 30 families here would bug me to death for each other's telephone numbers if I didn't give them a copy. All of them have agreed to being on the Local list. I would like to encourage you to host a local, area, or state FAY group, and I would welcome the chance to introduce you to other FAY's in your general areas. We really do have a fine time together. We are about to start a FAY Family Gathering of Coastal Georgia as there are now 4 families down there. We will have to start slowly with perhaps one meeting per 6 months. Well, that's a taste of what I do as a hobby. My big task for the year is to sell our house down in Statesboro, Ga and crunch the combined possessions in two houses down into one house. We are moving into 12131 Long Ridge Lane, Bowie, MD 20175, where I have lived for two years. Bob will retire after 30 years of teaching college Chemistry in May. He will then work part time for NASA at the Goddard Space Center in Greenbelt, MD for a while. After we get settled down to one house in Bowie, my dream would be to go to England for some hands on research on John Fay Sr/1's parentage and answer the question: Was his dad David Fay, as according to OPF, or William Fay, according to a letter I just received. I'll keep you posted with references when I find out for sure. Sincerely, Mary (FAY) Nelson 9

To: GenHumor-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:19:19 -0800 Dollarhide's Rules For Genealogy 1. Treat the brothers and sisters of your ancestors as equals....even if some of them were in jail. 2. Death certificates are rarely filled in by the person who died. 3. When visiting a funeral home, wear old clothes, no make-up, and look like you have about a week to live...the funeral director will give you anything you ask if he thinks you may be a customer soon. 4. The cemetery where your ancestor was buried does not have perpetual care, has no office, is accessible only by a muddy road, has snakes, tall grass, and lots of bugs...and many of the old gravestones are in broken pieces , stacked in a corner under a pile of dirt. 5. A Social Security form SS-5 is better than a birth certificate because few people had anything to do with the information on their own birth certificate. 6. The application for a death certificate you want insists that you provide the maiden name of the deceased's mother...which is exactly what you don't know and is the reason you are trying to get the death certificate in the first place. 7. If you call Social Security and ask where to write for a birth certificate, tell them it is for yourself...they won't help you if you say you want one for your great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather who died in 1642. 8. When you contact the state vital statistics office in your home state and ask if they are "on-line" and they respond, "on what?," you may have a problem. 9. A census record showing all twelve children in a family proves only that your ancestors did not believe in birth control. 10. Work from the known to the unknown. In other words, just because your name is Washington doesn't mean you are related to George. 11. With any luck, some of the people in your family could read and write....and may have left something written about themselves. 12. It ain't history until it's written down. (See #19) 13. A genealogist needs to be a detective. Just gimme da facts, ma'am. 14. Always interview brothers and sisters together in the same room. Since they can't agree on anything about the family tree, it makes for great fun to see who throws the first punch. 15. The genealogy book you just found out about went out of print last week. 16. A good genealogical event is learning that your parents were really married. 17. Finding the place a person lived may lead to finding that person's arrest record. 18. It's really quite simple. First you start with yourself, then your parents, then your grandparents... then you QUIT . . .and start teaching classes in genealogy. 19. If it's not written down, it ain't history yet. (See #12) 20. In spite of MTV, computer games, and skate boards, there is always a chance that your grandchildren will learn how to read someday. 21. "To understand the living, you have to commune with the dead, but don't commune with the dead so long that you forget that you are living!" (From Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil by John Berendt) by William Dollarhide ==== GenHumor Mailing List ==== Would you want your grandchildren reading this material?? If not, clean your jokes or stories up just a little and everyone can enjoy them!! ANY QUESTIONS about GenHumor-L ?? Check the guidelines: http://lest-we-forget.com/The_Outhouse/genhumor-l.htm Visit THE OUTHOUSE - The Genealogy Humor Site http://lest-we-forget.com/The_Outhouse/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com