At 07:25 AM 2/14/00 -0500, Betty Ferguson wrote: >Dear Robert, >In my copy of Vital Records of Westborough, Massachusetts, to the end of the year >1849. Published by Franklin P. Rice Trustee of the Systematic History Fund in >1903 on page 235 Westborough Deaths Deliverance, w. Samuel, Jr. Jan. 11, 1754 >(This I believe >would be Deliverance (Shattuck) Fay, mother of Deliverance Fay mother of Molly >Fay who was born 23 Sep 1756. On the same page 235 is the death list of >Deliverance Fay, May 25, 1823. >Thanks for your help, Betty Ferguson > > Thank you, Betty. As another subscriber pointed out, our date would have had Deliverance, born 15 Nov 1757, dying before her daughter, Mary or Molly, was born in 1756. If only my eyes were as sharp, to be able to see this apparent transcription error. Robert Kline email: robertkline@bc.sympatico.ca 1079 Walalee Dr, Phone: 604-657-0134 Delta, BC, Canada, V4M 2L9 Web page: http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/robertkline/

Dear Robert, In my copy of Vital Records of Westborough, Massachusetts, to the end of the year 1849. Published by Franklin P. Rice Trustee of the Systematic History Fund in 1903 on page 235 Westborough Deaths Deliverance, w. Samuel, Jr. Jan. 11, 1754 (This I believe would be Deliverance (Shattuck) Fay, mother of Deliverance Fay mother of Molly Fay who was born 23 Sep 1756. On the same page 235 is the death list of Deliverance Fay, May 25, 1823. Thanks for your help, Betty Ferguson Robert Kline wrote: > At 07:41 AM 2/13/00 -0500, Betty Ferguson wrote: > > >Can anyone identify Deliverance FAY who died in Westborough, MA 25 May > >1823? Could this be Deliverance FAY born 15 Nov 1727 daughter of Samuel > >FAY and Deliverance SHATTUCK, she would be 95 years old at time of > >death. Mollie FAY daughter of Deliverance FAY has a Church Record at > >the First Church in Westborough 3 Jul 1763. If this is Molly FAY born > >23 Sep 1756 she would be 6 years old at the time. In 1763 did the > >Church baptise 6 year old children? What other kind of record could it > >be? If Delivevance FAY was not married at the time of Molly FAY's birth > >would this birth show up in court records? Thanks for any help or > >suggestions. Betty Ferguson ferguson@in.on.ca > > > > > >From information shared with me by John Rinehart a few years ago, this > Deliverance died 15 Nov 1754 in Westboro, MA. Is this not be correct? > > Sources: > !BIRTH: Westborough Vital Records PAGE 38 > !DEATH: Westborough Vital Records PAGE 235 > She m. name unknown, only 1 dau. traced, Mary or Molly, b. 23 Sep 1756, m. in > Westboro, 15 Feb 1776, Reuben Maynard, b. Shrewsbury, 16 Jul 1746, d. Feb 1813 > He was probably her 2nd husband, as she was then called Molly Garfield. In > the settlement of the estate the wid. was called Mary, and a dau. in 1878 said > her mother was Molly Fay, a dau. of Deliverance Fay. They had 13 chil., > b. "all around the lot." [Fay (1898), p. 175] > > Many of Deliverance's ancestors may be found in my Database of "Distant > Cousins" linked from my webpage. URL in signature below. > > Any corrections or additions welcome. > > Robert Kline email: robertkline@bc.sympatico.ca > 1079 Walalee Dr, Phone: 604-657-0134 > Delta, BC, Canada, V4M 2L9 > Web page: http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/robertkline/ > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Hello Robert: The information I sent Betty Ferguson came from the Fay Family Website. I sent her the link to that site, in case you have not seen it. So the Fays made it all the way from coast to coast, I see. You probably know about the connection of the Fays to the Bush family (George, I wanna be President too, W. Bush), and also to three or four other American Presidents, plus Harriet Beecher Stowe. It goes back to the family's New England roots. Good luck with your research, Phil Palen Gowanda, NY

Hey Phil. I seen your message on the Fay message board here. You spoke of a Fay family website? Could you please run that again, the link that is? Or just email it to me? Thanks, John Kangas Looking for Fays In Ohio.

At 07:41 AM 2/13/00 -0500, Betty Ferguson wrote: >Can anyone identify Deliverance FAY who died in Westborough, MA 25 May >1823? Could this be Deliverance FAY born 15 Nov 1727 daughter of Samuel >FAY and Deliverance SHATTUCK, she would be 95 years old at time of >death. Mollie FAY daughter of Deliverance FAY has a Church Record at >the First Church in Westborough 3 Jul 1763. If this is Molly FAY born >23 Sep 1756 she would be 6 years old at the time. In 1763 did the >Church baptise 6 year old children? What other kind of record could it >be? If Delivevance FAY was not married at the time of Molly FAY's birth >would this birth show up in court records? Thanks for any help or >suggestions. Betty Ferguson ferguson@in.on.ca > > >From information shared with me by John Rinehart a few years ago, this Deliverance died 15 Nov 1754 in Westboro, MA. Is this not be correct? Sources: !BIRTH: Westborough Vital Records PAGE 38 !DEATH: Westborough Vital Records PAGE 235 She m. name unknown, only 1 dau. traced, Mary or Molly, b. 23 Sep 1756, m. in Westboro, 15 Feb 1776, Reuben Maynard, b. Shrewsbury, 16 Jul 1746, d. Feb 1813 He was probably her 2nd husband, as she was then called Molly Garfield. In the settlement of the estate the wid. was called Mary, and a dau. in 1878 said her mother was Molly Fay, a dau. of Deliverance Fay. They had 13 chil., b. "all around the lot." [Fay (1898), p. 175] Many of Deliverance's ancestors may be found in my Database of "Distant Cousins" linked from my webpage. URL in signature below. Any corrections or additions welcome. Robert Kline email: robertkline@bc.sympatico.ca 1079 Walalee Dr, Phone: 604-657-0134 Delta, BC, Canada, V4M 2L9 Web page: http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/robertkline/

Hi Everyone, In the following website that Cathy just announced there is a bio of Goodwin Burritt of Bristol, in Kenosha county. If anyone is researching that family or line, I would be very interested in hearing from them. Please contact me at madgrad77@hotmail.com. For unknown reasons, but probably the Civil War, my gr-greatgrandfather, George W. Fay was raised at Goodwin Burritts farm, and I have been unable to find any record of Georges birth anywhere in the last decade of trying. According to his obituary he was born in Northern Wisconsin. It would seem likely that George is related to the Burrits from New York, where the many of the Wisconsin Fays originated. Any help is appreciated. Bob Fay To: GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} [GenWisconsin] Kenosha Biographies and Obits Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 13:36:15 -0800 Hi All, There are now 150 biographies and about 70 obits available on the Kenosha GenExchange site. You can view them at: http://genexchange.com/WI/kenosha/index.cfm Check back often, as a lot of material is being uploaded to that site daily. -- Cathy :o) <A HREF="http://genexchange.com/WI/kenosha/index.cfm">Kenosha WI GenExchange< /A> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Can anyone identify Deliverance FAY who died in Westborough, MA 25 May 1823? Could this be Deliverance FAY born 15 Nov 1727 daughter of Samuel FAY and Deliverance SHATTUCK, she would be 95 years old at time of death. Mollie FAY daughter of Deliverance FAY has a Church Record at the First Church in Westborough 3 Jul 1763. If this is Molly FAY born 23 Sep 1756 she would be 6 years old at the time. In 1763 did the Church baptise 6 year old children? What other kind of record could it be? If Delivevance FAY was not married at the time of Molly FAY's birth would this birth show up in court records? Thanks for any help or suggestions. Betty Ferguson ferguson@in.on.ca

> Jeremiah Wilcox FAY (b. 3-8-1822 Parma, OH) married Mary A BRADLEY (b. > 7-5-1854 Rockport, OH), daughter of Alfred BRADLEY & Clarissa BRISCOE) A minor correction here: Jeremiah Wilcox FAY & Mary A BRADLEY were married on 7-5-1854, in Rockport, OH. I just relized I plugged in the date in the wrong area in my database when I plugged in what I found at the cemetery.

Good morning all, My wife and I finally found the time to go cemetery searching. In the three cemeteries we looked for, all mentioned in the book everyone on this list should know by now, we found two of them, of which one was in an obvious state of disrepair. In that one we did not find any FAY graves whatsoever. We did luck out in the first one we stopped at though. Here's what we found: One large group stone that was like a tower On one side of the monument: BENNAJAR FAY (this is how it is spelled. i imagine jeremiah was a tad upset about it) DIED APR. 15, 1860 AGED 85 YRS. RUTH FAY DIED SEPT. 16, 1831 AGED 50 YRS LOVINA FAY DIED MAR. 17, 1872 AGED 93 YRS GEORGE W FAY DIED MAR. 20, 1846 AGED 11 YRS On the front side of the monument: JEREMIAH W 1822 - 1913 MARY A 1836 - 1912 FAY (this is at base of monument) On other side of monument: ALBERT W FAY SON OF J.W. & M.A. FAY DIED JUNE 6, 1861 AGED 1 YEAR 7 5 MOS. WILLIAM N FAY SON OF J.W. & M.A. FAY DIED JULY 14, 1906 AGED 51 YRS There is nothing written on the back side of the monument. I found around this central monument two individual gravestones One for GEORGE W FAY (no dates on it, just the name. If this is the FAY mentioned on the monument, someone paid and put a fresh stone on it. Dr. Dudley FAY would be my guess as to who.) Another for B F FAY (dates could not be read, but the stone was obviously one of the older ones in the cemetery) There may be more gravestones around the monument, but we didn't feel like shoveling snow. We'll make another trip when the snow is melted more. In the row directly in front of the FAY monument we found, we found two more individual FAY stones. I'm sure there was more, but snow once again presented a problem. BENEJAH FAY JR. BORN AUG. 6, 1806 Died (these lines were in a different script) JULY 24, 1849 this stone was very readable, except for the death date which had some wear. LOVELL B SON OF B & L FAY BORN AUG. 23, 1848 DIED OCT 15, 1866 this stone had writing below the death date, but snow and wear had made it so it was not legible Lovina FAY is probably Benejah FAY's sister, though in no references I've seen so far is she mentioned as coming to Parma. Perhaps someone else on the list can find other evidence of that. Just the same, the age of her death matches that of his sister within 2 years. The George W FAY on the same side as Lovina, Bennajar, and Ruth FAY intrigues me. He had to have been born in 1835 by my math. He, therefore had to be a son of either Lovina FAY or Benejah FAY. If he is the son of Lovina, he was born out of wedlock. Possible, but unlikely considering the day and age. If he was the son of Benejah FAY his mother would have to be Rhoda EDWARDS. That's more likely. He could also very well be the son of one of the older FAY boys. I doubt that however, as the monument itself was probably placed there by Jeremiah Wilcox FAY, evidenced by the fact that it his name on the front of it. Lovell B FAY has got to be the son of Benejah FAY Jr., as there are no other B. FAY's born to Benejah Sr. Just my take on things. Jim & Elicia SHREVE

> Online I found this at Ancestry: > Carl A FAY born 8-3-1887 registered for draft in Washoe, NV Minor correction here: Carl A FAY was born in Sandusky, OH. Jim SHREVE

Dear Folks, I regret to inform you of the death of Cousin John Douglas "Chip" Garner 11 on Feb. 7, 2000. Here is the text of the Death Notice from the WASHINGTON POST of Friday, Feb. 10, 2000. A picture of John was in today's paper. GARNER, JOHN D. (CHIP) Suddenly of a heart attack in his sleep on February 7, 2000, in his home in Laurel, MD. Born December 7, 1943 in Iowa City, IA. John, the son of Patricia (Patty) Garner and Dr. John W. Garner, was raised in Coos Bay, Oregon and graduated from Marshfield Senior High School in 1962. An Eagle Scout, he was active in Explorer Post 155 and organized reunions in 1984 and 1998 to honor the post adviser. John received his B.S. in General Science (Meteorology), from Oregon State University in 1969, and his Ph.D., Air Transport Engineering, from the Cranfield Institute of Technology, Bedford, England, in 1981. He was a professional pilot in the 1970's and flew smoke jumpers for the Bureau of Land Management in the western U.S. As a former commercial pilot and consultant to the aviation industry, John earned the following professional certifications: Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land and L-188, Commercial Privileges; Single-Engine Land and Sea; Flight Engineer, Turbo-propellor Powered; Flight Instructor; Airplanes and Instruments; Ground Instructor, Advanced and Instruments. Moving to the greater Washington, DC area he was a Systems Engineer for the MITRE Corporation from 1979 to 1984. John founded and was President of Aviation Analysts International Inc., in 1984. AAI specialized in aviation-related quantitative analyses and provided support to the aviation community with its in-house proprietary analytical models and other applicable models. AAI was best known within the federal procurement community for its ability to optimize aircraft, mission and cost/benefit ratio; thereby ensuring that the government would purchase the best available aircraft. John published over 15 professional papers between 1974 and 1997. He was member of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, the Society of Cost Estimating and Analysis and Mensa. His interests encompassed boating, amateur astronomy, travel and hunting. John and Regina Cody were married May 20, 1990, and she survives. He is also survived by his brothers and their wives, C. Kent and Linda of Atlanta, GA, Stephen B. and Cindy of Portland, OR, and his sister Lois L. Garner, M.D. of Franklin, PA; his nephews and nieces, Bennett and Alison of Atlanta, GA, Lindsey and Stephanie Raub of Franklin, PA, Prescott and Madison of Portland, OR, and Mark, Matthew and Michelle Cody of Beaver Dam, WI. A memorial service will be held at 11 a.m. at St. Philips Episcopal Church, 6th and Main Streets, Laurel, MD, on Saturday, February 12. The Family request memorials be sent to: Oregon Trail Council, Boy Scouts of America, 2525 Centennial Blvd., Eugene, OR 97401 or to the American Cancer Society. This ad first appeared in The Washington Post February 11, 2000. John Douglas GARNER 11's line of descent is: John Fay Sr/1 [OPF #1] and Mary BRIGHAM John Fay 2 [OPF # 2] and Elizabeth WELLINGTON Deacon James Fay 3 [OPF # 32] and Lydia CHILDS Daniel Fay SR. 4 [OPF # 64] and Mary CROSBY Jonathan Fay 5b [OPF # 172] and Rhoda WHITE Roxanna (FAY) Carpenter 6 [OPF # 172-2] and Henry CARPENTER Jerome Bonapart CARPENTER 7 (1824-?) and Josepha LAY Mary Clark (CARPENTER Hardin 8 (1855-1942) and James Franklin HARDIN Kent McKeen HARDIN 9 (1891-?) and Ivan BLOOM Patricia (HARDIN) Garner 10 and John Wilbur GARNER Letters of condolence may be sent to his widow, Mrs. Regina Cody 8406 Snowden Oaks Place, Laurel MD 20708 Sincerely, Mary FAY Nelson 9

Good morning all, I was checking out a rather large book on the history of Cuyahoga County, which is where Cleveland, OH is. The book is entitled "History of Cuyahoga County, Oh" It had no author, but it was published in 1879. As such it could not be removed from the library. I did transcribe misc FAY info from it. Here for your perusal is what I found: Asa FAY enl. March 10, 1865, mustered out with company 2nd Calvary, Company C Martin V FAY enl. April 8, 1864, mustered out with company 60th Infantry, Company E John G FAY Jr. enl. 1st Sgt. August 25, 1862 discharged May 24, 1865 20th Battery Daniel FAY enl. Sept. 15, 1862 discharged Sept. 4, 1865 2nd Calvary Company K Frederick FAY enl. March 8, 1865 mustered out with company 195th Infantry, Company K Frederick FAY Jr., Private, 150th Infantry, Company B Henry M FAY, Private, 150th Infantry, Company C I also found this in the book (good thing it had an index at the back) John G FAY Jr. admitted to bar 1861 Byron FAY, Deacon at Euclid Avenue Congretational Church William FAY immigrated to Chagrin Falls, Oh in 1836. He set up a shingle machine there. Online I found this at Ancestry: Carl A FAY born 8-3-1887 registered for draft in Washoe, NV Haven't pieced anything together yet, but in the meantime maybe someone else can also benefit from it. I was allowed to copy a page from another book on the history of Parma during it's sesquicentenniel. I now have a pic, albeit not an exceptionally good one, of Jeremiah Wilcox FAY and his wife Mary BRADLEY. Jim Shreve Sr.

Dear Ellen, City Directories have been produced yearly since the beginning of the 1900's in most large cities. The format evolves over time. City Directories frequently have several sections, the most common are the Surname alphabetical listings, which are the oldest form or City Directory listing. The second oldest format is the Street Directory sections. In the Street Directory format, each side of each street is listed (east side, west side/ north side, south side. Sometimes the City Directory does all of the east side and then all of the west side of the street, and sometimes it alternates by blocks.(east-west. east-west.) New York also has a long series of City Directories, as do most major cities. Between 1870 and 1970, there are frequently different sections of the Surname list, depending upon racial groupings. The Directory entries are Surname, Given name or Initials, (Spouse's Given Name in parentheses), relationship [widow etc], race [sometimes], occupation, and residence. After telephones became fairly common, one also gets telephone listings. Check out your local regional Library to see how things are listed for the approximate date in which you are interested. Check for a Table of Abbreviations before you end a session with a City Directory. Example: "WUILLEMIN, A., wid. Max, ewf, h. 512 Brooks St." This will decode as "Mrs. A. Wuillemin, widow of Max Wuillemin, employed at the Elgin Watch Factory. She lives/lived at 512 Brook Street." "Schultz, Dallas (Louise), window trimmer, bds 512 Brook St" This means "Mr. Dallas Schultz and his wife Louise Schultz. He is a window trimmer. They board at 512 Brook Street." [They actually lived with his mother and grandmother .] In your case, start in the Known location and with the name of the person you want to research at an address that was valid for that date. Then go forwards and backwards in time until the person is no longer listed under that name. The last entry forward in time will reflect, moving, remarriage date, or death date. The most distant entry backwards in time will reflect the start of the person as an adult wage earner or student. Then you can look for the names of the person's parents, if the name is known. Once you can pinpoint the approximate date of remarriage, you can look up the marriage index information under both the maiden and first marriage surnames. You can also look for an announcement in the local Chicago newspapers. Be sure to record the bibliographic details of each City Directory which you use, as these books were put out yearly, and in some places two or more companies were working in the same year in the same town. Photocopy the pages with your Surname under research and write the bibliographic stuff on the top or back of the page. You may be picking up unknown siblings or cousins as you research your person. When you stack up the data on graph paper in a year by year fashion and look for things that change and things that remain the same, you will have the beginnings of a family history. However, you need as many yearly entries as possible to get the maximum data from this resource. It is possible that your person remarried, or that Edmonds is her maiden Surname. You will not find young children listed in City Directories. NYC may not have required birth certificates to be recorded at that date, or you person may have emigrated from England or Europe. You should check the 1900, 1910 and 1920 Federal Census Index books and see if your person shows up in that Census. Someone recently reported that some of the larger cities have their City Directories on the LSD microfilm at LSD Family Centers. I have never tried that source. Most City Libraries have the City Directory Series at the Main Branch. Many Historical Societies also have the City Directories for their area. At 03:13 PM 2/10/00 -0500, you wrote: >I sent this to the RESEARCH-HOW-TO list and someone >suggested trying this list. If anyone has any ideas, please >let me know! > >I am doing genealogical research, I am stuck on one person >who was born around 1896 and died in the 1950's. I have >very little information: her daughter's birth certificate has >her listed as born in NYC with a different surname (Edmonds) than >her daughter's SS5 application (McCaffrey). I searched >the NYC birth index for both surnames with no success. To make it >even more of a challenge, she remarried, moved to another >state (unknown!) and died. > >She was living at 6101 Langley St as Hazel Baier when her >daughter was born in 1922. She moved nearby to another address in >Cook county that I know she was living at in the mid 50's (I have >this at home in my records.) I thought if I could at least find her >married name I might be able to find her death certificate. > >I see listed in FHL lots of city directories for Chicago but only up >until late 1920's. Are there later city directories or phone >books (that are searchable by address?) > >Or does anyone have a clue what I can do next? > >Thanks much! >Ellen > > > >==== COOK-CO-IL Mailing List ==== >IMPORTANT! This list is archived at the new threaded archives at: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >Do not post anything that you do not want the world to see. Posts are >NOT removable from the archives. If you send it to the list, it is in >the archives forever! Please keep this in mind when posting.

Good morning all, Since last I posted anything vital I've found more info on the line down from Benejah Fay. I've been corresponding with various people and have a much better picture, so to speak. As of yet, I haven't visited any of the cemeteries I mentioned, but my wife and I, after dropping the kids off at in-laws this coming weekend, plan on doing just that on one of our free days. Until then, here's what I now have. Pardon if this repeats info I already shared, but there may be new people on the list who weren't benefited by it before. <G> As an aside, I think Mary Fay Nelson, mentioned taking notes when you go to a cemetery as to what kind of grave stones and what not. Consider me an official dummy bout it, but how does tell what material the stones are made of? Sources of the new info is direct word of mouth from Bonnie Jeanne Fay HUNT and a few emails from Donald G HOFFMAN, who is a descendent of Valentine HOFFMAN, a brother to Dora HOFFMAN, who married Edgar B FAY. I am still awaiting hardcopies of his info as it pertains to the FAY's. He mentioned having the children of them, but haven't as of yet, received it. I also received from Bonnie Fay HUNT, an audio tape entitled FAY HISTORY, that was recorded by Dr. Dudley S FAY, sometime before his death. I have not yet listened to it, or made the copes that she requested as I've only received it last night. She received it from her older sister(Marilyn FAY), but has herself never listened to it, as her tape player does not work. That pretty much it. LMA Jim & Elicia Shreve Generation 1 Benejah FAY (b. July 28, 1773 Sturbridge, MA and d.1860 Parma, Oh) married 1st Ruth WILCOX (b. 1781 Sturbridge, MA d. 1831 Parma, Oh) 2nd (m. 1832) Rhoda EDWARDS. They happened to be the first settlers in what is now known as Parma, Oh. Children: Sophie FAY (b. 5/17/1800 Sturbridge, MA) Asa FAY (b. 10/23/1801 Sturbridge, MA) Amanda FAY (b. 11/20/1802 Sturbridge, MA) Joseph Mason FAY (b. 7/31/1805, Sturbridge, MA) Benejah Jr FAY (b. 8/6/1806 Sturbridge, MA d. 1849 Parma, OH) Mary FAY (b. 7/31/1808 Sturbridge, MA) Harriet FAY (b. 4/27/1810 Sturbridge, MA) Huldah FAY (b. 11/19/1811 Sturbridge, MA) Watson FAY (b. 9/26/1813 Sturbridge, MA) Lyman FAY (b. 10/6/1815 Sturbridge, MA) Mabel Truman FAY (b. 1/26/1820 Parma, OH) Twin Jeremiah Wilcox FAY (b. 3/8/1822 Parma, OH) Twin Ruth FAY (b. 3/8/1822 Parma, OH) Generation 2 Benejah FAY Jr. (b. 8-6-1806 Sturbridge, MA d. 1849 Parma, OH) married Lois HODGEMAN(b.1808 d. 11-27-1877 Brooklyn Hts. OH) Children: Eli FAY (b. 4/22/1828) Mabel Truman FAY (b. 1-26-1820 Parma OH) married (m. 3-11-1847 Cuyahoga County, OH) Dudley S HUMPHREY Jeremiah Wilcox FAY (b. 3-8-1822 Parma, OH) married Mary A BRADLEY (b. 7-5-1854 Rockport, OH), daughter of Alfred BRADLEY & Clarissa BRISCOE) Children: William N FAY Edgar B FAY Alfred W FAY Clarence FAY (b. 5/1/1873) Albert W FAY Generation 3 Eli FAY (b. 4-22-1828) married 1st Huldah TAYLOR (d. 1865 Middleburgh, OH) 2nd (m. 4-4-1866 Rockport, OH) Betsey E DUNHAM (b. 9-2-1842), daughter of Almod DUNHAM & Eunice CORBIN. Children by second wife: Ira E FAY Edgar B FAY married (m. 1-15-1880 Cuyahoga County, OH) Dora M HOFFMAN, daughter of Jakob HOFFMAN & Katherine Elizabeth BETNER Alfred W FAY married Jennie E PECK Clarence FAY (b. 5-1-1873 Parma, OH) married Ruth Stevens. Children: UNKNOWN DAUGHTER (d. young) Eugene N FAY Dr. Dudley S FAY (b. 1906 d. 1/16/1992 Parma, OH) Jerry W FAY Walter G FAY Generation 4 Ira E FAY married Ida WEST Eugene N FAY married 1st Virginia Louise SMITH (b. Cleveland, Oh) 2nd Enola Wuanita BLAELOCK Children by first wife Marilyn FAY Bonnie Jeanne FAY (b. 3/27/1927 Berea, OH) THIS IS MY WIFES GRANDMOTHER Children by second wife Karen FAY Dr. Dudley S FAY(b. 1907 Parma, OH d. 1-16-1992 Parma, OH) married Opal M MCCLARREN (d. before 1992) Child: Ruth FAY Jerry FAY married UNKNOWN Child: Dale FAY Walter G FAY married UNKNOWN Children Judy FAY Bruce FAY

Dear Jim, I have been very busy with the arrangements for the funeral of a 5th cousin of mine, John Garner, so I haven't been doing a lot of genealogy this week. Basically, you want to take several photographs of each gravestone in light that will show the lettering on the gravestone clearly. Then you want to draw what is on the tombstone as close to its original markings and letter placement as possible even if you reduce the drawing in size on your note paper. This is called transcription. Even symbols on a gravestone are clues to organizations to which your ancestor belonged. When you go to a city cemetery, there is usually an office, which often opens fairly early in the morning. You want to go to the office and ask for grave plot registrations by the name of the person who are being researched. Some places have each individual on file cards, which are stored alphabetically by surname. Other places have whole families on a single page. Other places have a "Keeper's book or Keeper's Index" so that the staff can find each grave. Often the cemetery office staff will give you a copy either free or at cost of this document, which will either list the individual, or all of the persons buried in the same plot. It will give the date of death and the date of burial. You may be referred to another location to have copies made of the grave registration forms as the office at the cemetery may not have a copier available. This happened to me at Oak Hill Cemetery in Neenah, WI. We had to go to City Hall to get our copies made. You can describe the gravestone as Brown stone which is chipped, pink stone, pink granite, marble, white stone with bronze plaque, etc. You can often ask one of the cemetery workers what kind of stone was used to make the gravestone. The photograph will also help to identify the stone later. What is important is to be able to find the stone again. If the cemetery is large enough to have "named streets," then record the names of the street on each side of the section in which your family is buried. If the cemetery is small, count rows of gravestones from the entrance gate. In a large cemetery, you may also want to record the proximity of your family's plot to some big or unusual gravestone nearby, so that you can find it more quickly. For instance, my great grandfather George Washington Fay 6 and family are buried near a "cement tree" and there is a large group monument shaped like a sarcophagus in the center of the plot with the word "FAY" on it. The "Cement Tree" was a standard gravestone for one of the lodges or fraternal organizations. Other landmarks might be statues, mausoleums (small house like buildings), large or unusual trees, or obelisks. The purpose of noting an unusual gravestone nearby is to be able to relocate the grave more quickly the next time you visit, or someone else from your family visits the cemetery. The office staff may have a hand-out map of the cemetery and may be able to show you on the map where your family is buried. We were given a nice maps with all of the trees identified when we went to Bluff City Cemetery in Elgin, IL. Good luck with your trip and I hope that you will find some good information for us. Sincerely, Mary (FAY) Nelson 9

THE FOLLOWING IS BEING REPUBLISHED FROM THE FAHEY LIST ********************************************************************** ----Original Message Follows---- From: Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> Reply-To: nymets11@pacbell.net To: FAHEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [FAHEY] Irish research Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:26:25 +0000 I sent this out last on Friday, Dec. 17th and feel I need to repeat it because since we have many new subbers. Please note, before deleting, that I have added more sources. Also, if you have questions please send them to the list. There are far more experienced Ireland researchers on the list, than I. I am sending this to all my lists because I get email all the time asking what to do and where to go to get help. I am not an expert. I am learning like most. While I have been doing genealogy for a couple of years, I am still learning. Everytime I get an ancestor from, a new area, it is like starting all over again. Most of my ancestors are centered in Irish research, and you all know how difficult it is. So please, especially those new to the lists and to genealogy, in general, bookmark these sites and when you have time use them to familiarize yourself in what's available on line and off line. Happy hunting. ROOTSWEB'S GUIDE TO TRACING FAMILY TREES <http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/> Lesson 21 is IRISH ROOTS: Back to the Emerald Isle <http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson21.htm> Lesson 15 Tracing Your Immigrants Ancestors back to the "Old Country" http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson15.htm LDS Family Search How To Guides, Go to Ireland and you will get an 80 page document detailing how to search. I printed mine out. http://www.familysearch.org/sg/ Books I have bought to help me: The Surnames of Ireland, by MacLysaght A New Genealogical Atlas of Ireland (maps of each county for Civil Parishes, Baronies and Poor Law Unions) by Brian Mitchell Tracing Your Irish Ancestors, by John Grenham (gives county by county what records are available for searching) A Guide to Irish Parish Registers by Brian Mitchell All of these can be bought on line from various places like Amazon.com. That's how I got mine. If others can add to this list of books and helpful sites, please feel free to post them to the list. Searching place names, townlands, civil parishes etc. http://www.seanruad.com http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/placename/index.cfm Directory of Irish genealogy, addresses and links http://homepage.tinet.ie/~seanjmurphy/dir/links.htm Immigrant ships transcribers guild http://istg.rootsweb.com/compass/indexshipsusa.html good search engine http://www.profusion.com/ Everything Celtic http://www.og-man.net/ genealogy bookstore http://www.genealogybookshop.com/ Irish bookstore http://www.readireland.ie/main.html Ireland Genweb, tracing your Irish roots http://pa-roots.com/ireland/ The Irish Genealogy Search Engine and Direcory http://www.ireland-information.com/irishgenealogy/ This is one of my favorite sites, go to it genealogy section http://www.local.ie/ Kenny's Bookstore in Galway http://www.kennys.ie/ Ireland maps http://www.omnimap.com/catalog/int/ire-topo.htm#p2 Fianna Guide to Irish Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ Gateway to genealogy http://www.gengateway.com/mainsite.htm Pat Connors, Listowner ==== FAHEY Mailing List ==== Fahey List Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Fahey Genforum: http://genforum.genealogy.com/fahey/ Fahey GenConnect Board: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/f/a/FAHEY/queries James Fahy's Homepage: http://ConstableFahy.home.att.net/heraldry.html ============================== The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: 12.8 million individuals and counting. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

THE FOLLOWING IS BEING REPUBLISHED FROM THE FAHEY LIST ********************************************************************** ----Original Message Follows---- From: Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> Reply-To: nymets11@pacbell.net To: FAHEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [FAHEY] More genealogy sites Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:31:44 +0000 I sent this out right after New Year's so if you already have it, nothing is changed or added. This is for our new listers. The Top Ten Genealogical Web Sites (c) 1999 by R. Cole Goodwin If you were looking for an ancestor, on which ten Internet sites would you most likely find him or her? Which sites can help an individual, a family, or a group research family history? With over 1,500,000,000 names on over 60,000 genealogical web sites on the Internet, finding the best sites is no easy task. Eighteen months ago, I started evaluating over 60,000 web sites which provide information of genealogical interest in order to determine the Top Ten. Using Encyclopaedia Britannica's Alexa service, independent reviews, and personal [observations], I evaluated each site's freshness, speed, links in, links out, subjective ratings by reviewers, site size, and other criteria. I have tested my findings along the way, having found over 16,000 ancestors during the past twenty-two months, mostly with the help of the computer. Below are my top ten sites: FamilySearch ( http://www.familysearch.org ) Owned and operated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Salt Lake City, Utah, FamilySearch.org has a little (or more) of genealogical interest for everyone and it is growing quickly. In its third full month, it has become one of the most popular sites on the Internet. Using FamilySearch, you can do the following: * Search for your ancestors using the International Genealogical Index (I.G.I.) with over 360,000,000 names, at present, online; Ancestral File (A.F.) with about 36 million names in linked pedigree charts; and with hyperlinks to other genealogical web sites. Over the next month, the site will grow to 600 million online names, then to 1,000,000 by next spring; * Collaborate with others who are searching for the same ancestor, surname, or place as you. At present, there are over 60,000 collaboration lists and the number is growing by over 1000 per day; * Access the Family History Library of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which has over two million rolls of microfilm with the names of over two billion people. Once you have identified a microfilm which interests you, you can order it online and it will be delivered to an Latter-day Saint Family History Center of your choosing near you; * Learn from online Research Guides. For almost any place or ethnic group for which you wish to do genealogical investigation, there are online guides that will allow you to learn how to do the research you seek; * Access over 60,000 genealogical web sites by categories, such as those which specialize in census, land, migration, military, royalty, surnames, and more; * Preserve your family history by downloading one of the most popular genealogical software programs in the world today, Personal Ancestral File (P.A.F.) 4.0 for Windows, as well as upload your own genealogical information to FamilySearch to be preserved and to be shared with others in Pedigree Resource files. * Coming Up: Australian, British and North American Vital Records Indexes will be incorporated into FamilySearch as will the complete 1851 and 1881 British Censuses, the complete 1880 U.S. Census, the Ellis Island Index of 17,000,000 immigrants, and more source guides. Also coming up: Pedigree Resource Files, containing the online submissions of FamilySearch users (12,000,000 names already received); Ancestry.com ( http://www.ancestry.com ) With over 274,000,000 U.S. names in over 1700 databases, Ancestry.com can help you find and put flesh onto the bones of your ancestors. It offers the following features: * Census Indexes, 1790-1870, for the entire U.S., as well as the complete 1790 U.S. Census and assorted later censuses for sundry states and counties; * Social Security Death Index (S.S.D.I.): updated through June 1999, it is the most current index on the Internet and can help you locate the disposition of a relative or friend as well as their parentage; * World Family Tree: like FamilySearch's Ancestral File, this contains millions of names linked in pedigrees; * Periodical Source Index, which references over 5,000 genealogical periodicals for the past 200 years. For the most part, once you have the index entry, you can view the articles at the Library of Congress; * American Genealogical and Biographical Index (Ryder's Index): the contents of 200 volumes of genealogical references to individuals in the U.S. throughout the seventeenth through nineteenth centuries; * The Daughters of the American Revolution Lineage Books (125 Volumes) * Ancestry News-Daily and weekly newsletter providing news and features of genealogical interest. Although Ancestry.com is a paid, subscription service, major portions of its holdings are made available freely to the general public. In addition, right now they are offering a free, 14-day subscription to those who sign-up through the following link (sponsored by ThirdAge): https://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/signup/SignupUser.asp?SignupType=TRIALFR EE&SignupCode=g99af Cyndislist ( http://www.cyndislist.com ) Cyndislist catalogues and indexes over 43,000 genealogy web sites and is in the process of adding 10,000 more. If you are looking for genealogical web sites from different countries to different surnames, you will find them listed and indexed here. Online since 1996, it is operated by Cyndi Howells of Puyallup, Washington. RootsWeb ( http://www.rootsweb.com ) RootsWeb has over 150,000,000 million U.S. names online and is operated by the non-profit RootsWeb Data Cooperative of Pine Mountain Club, California and is a project of the Rand Corporation. RootsWeb has the following helpful features: * Surname Resources on RootsWeb allow you to search submissions on surnames by other researchers; * County Resource tie you into genealogical discussion forums organized by state and by county. * USGENWEB ( http://www.usgenweb.com ) covers the United States by state and by county, organizing cemetery, census, obituary, historical, and biographical resources by locality. Can be very helpful; for an excellent example of USGENWEB, go to the Bradford County, Pennsylvania web site ( http://www.rootsweb.com/~pabradfo/bradweb.htm ); * Mailing Lists for over 16,000 genealogical areas are sponsored by RootsWeb.com * The Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild, an online project to transcribe the passenger lists of all passenger ships which have entered America. Currently, 400 ships are online; * Social Security Death Index (SSDI), similar to Ancestry.com's database; The Library of Congress ( http://lcweb.loc.gov/rr/genealogy/ ) Through The Library of Congress' Local History and Genealogy Reading Room, you can access the holdings of the largest library in the world, which has a collection of over 250,000 local history and genealogy books available for researchers, as well as a large repository of microfilm holdings from The Family History Library of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Salt Lake City. Through the site, you can search or browse the catalogs, access special holdings of various ethnic and historic reading rooms, and enjoy the American Memories Collection, an extensive, visual database of American History. Also available through the Library of Congress is the National Union Catalog of Manuscript Collection (N.U.C.M.C.) ( http://lcweb.loc.gov/coll/nucmc/nucmc.html ) which indexes millions of unpublished documents and contains valuable genealogical information. GenForum ( http://genforum.genealogy.com/ ) The largest online area for people to share surname and local history information, with over three million messages posted. It allows researchers to collaborate one with another in researching family and local history. ProFusion ( http://www.profusion.com/ ) Rather than a site for genealogical research, ProFusion is a Microsoft-sponsored meta-search engine, which can use up to nine Internet search engines (such as AltaVista, Google, InfoSeek, etc.) simultaneously to find that ancestor, or relative of yours on that obscure web page. Unlike typical search engines which, at most, index only 16% of the web pages on the Internet, meta-search engines such as ProFusion, Dogpile ( http://www.dogpile.com/ ), Fast Corporation's AllTheWeb ( http://www.alltheweb.com ) and MAMMA, The Mother of All Web Sites ( http://www.mamma.com/ ) use individual search engines to collectively scale the web. The Ultimates ( http://www.theultimates.com/ ) Like ProFusion (above) rather than a single web site with genealogical information, The Ultimates is a search engine for multiple online telephone white pages and e- mail directories. It can help you find people with the same surname you are seeking. This is especially useful when you are seeking an unusual surname. MyFamily.com ( http://www.MyFamily.com ) MyFamily.com is a place where you can post your family tree, family news, family photos, recipes, and chapter- by-chapter history for your family to show and to share with others. It can help a geographically dispersed family collaborate on its history. The U.S. National Archives ( http://www.nara.gov/nara/nail.html ) Using the new U.S. National Archives and Records Administration's Archival Information Locator, you can locate information about the microfilm, archival holdings, and digital copies available. Also useful is The National Archives Research Room ( http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/ ) Bonus Web Sites In addition to the Top Ten, above, following are some excellent, specialized genealogical web sites. Please bear in mind that much of this specialized information is available through the using the Top Ten genealogical web sites above; indeed, some Top Ten sites have more specialized data than their more limited counterparts, below, but the following are always worth checking: Biographies From the Arts & Entertainment Network's "Biography" series, you can search 22,000 online biographies at the following link: ( http://www.biography.com/ ) Cemeteries and Graveyards Find A Grave ( http://www.findagrave.com/ ) Censuses on the Internet Censuslinks ( http://www.censuslinks.com/directory/ ) Educational Resources for Online Genealogy PBS' Ancestors Series ( http://www.pbs.org/kbyu/ancestors/ ) Ethnic Genealogy Resources The Balch Institute for Ethnic Studies Online ( http://www.libertynet.org/balch/body_index.html ) Family History for Kids Disney's Family Tree ( http://disney.go.com/ads/sponsors/ancestry/index.html ) Family Reunions Family-Reunion.com ( http://www.family-reunion.com ) Geography The U.S. Geological Service's Geographic Names Information Service (GNIS) ( http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/ ) Heraldry Heraldry on the Internet ( http://www.digiserve.com/heraldry/index.htm ) Land Records The Bureau of Land Management has placed all federal land patent records online, including millions of 19th Century Homestead Act records. ( http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ ) Medical Genealogy The Disease Chart (19th century medical terminology) ( http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/1030/diseasecharttable.htm ) Military Records Military records databases at Ancestry.com ( http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/1030/diseasecharttable.htm ) Newsletters-Online Genealogy Ancestry.com's Daily News (free sign-up from home page, with alerts to new, limited-time access to databases, tips of the day, features, and specials) ( http://www.ancestry.com/ ) Newspapers The United States Newspaper Program links you to hundreds of online newspapers, some of which have put back issues up to 200 years old online; excellent for births, marriages and deaths. ( http://www.neh.gov/html/usnp.html#NEW%20YORK ) Photographs With over 250,000,000 prints, Corbis Corporation has the largest inventory of historic and newsworthy photographs in the world, and has put many online-for free. ( http://www.corbis.com ) Vital Records Vital Records Information for the United States ( http://vitalrec.com/index.html ) WebCasts on Genealogy Generations is a live, interactive television show focusing on family history research and is broadcast over the Internet. It is sponsored by Sierra Software and carried by TalkSpot, an Internet broadcasting company. ( http://www.sierra.com/sierrahome/familytree/community/webcast/ ) World and International Genealogy Resources WorldGenWeb ( http://www.worldgenweb.com ) will take you to resources for almost any country in the world. ==== FAHEY Mailing List ==== Fahey List Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Fahey Genforum: http://genforum.genealogy.com/fahey/ Fahey GenConnect Board: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/f/a/FAHEY/queries James Fahy's Homepage: http://ConstableFahy.home.att.net/heraldry.html ============================== Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. 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Hi Linda, i hope you're having as beautiful a day in the Twin Cities as we are down here. Sunny, warm (well, for Febraury at least). Here's another surname site that came through, and I thought you might want to look at it. I'm off to check on laptop computers. Bob ----Original Message Follows---- From: "FAY LIST" <postingsonly@hotmail.com> Reply-To: Fay-L@RootsWeb.com To: madgrad77@hotmail.com Subject: Fwd: {not a subscriber} [NEW-GEN-URL-L] The Porter Research Site Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 08:40:57 CST ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Patricia Royer" <proyer@penn.com> Reply-To: NEW-GEN-URL-L@rootsweb.com To: NEW-GEN-URL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} [NEW-GEN-URL-L] The Porter Research Site Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:16:38 -0800 On January 24th a new site was started for Porter Researchers. As of tonight the database contains over 16,000 names, over 2000 of them Porters. If you are searching for your Porter connection, please check out http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~porters ==== NEW-GEN-URL Mailing List ==== . ============================== The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: 12.8 million individuals and counting. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:26:35 -0800 Hello All, The Bureau of Land Management has added most of the states to their land patent site. http://www.glorecords.blm.gov This is a work in progress, so keep checking it. I tried Iowa and found no listings for my county of interest. But I found many patents for my ancestors in South Dakota. The BLM has millions of land records and this site is a wonderful resource, be sure to use it. Happy hunting, Marleen Van Horne ============================== The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: 12.8 million individuals and counting. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Dear lister's, Some may remember in early December of 1999, I had to change this list to a moderated format due to ongoing problems with spam and viruses. The last few weeks, rootsweb's "spam-detective" software has filtered out 6 or 7 pieces of spam, and a couple of emails containing viruses. Not a single peice of spam or virus got through the "spam-detective". As a consequence I no longer feel it's so necessary to moderate the format, and I am changing it to an unmoderated format imediately. This will cause the posters email address to show on postings and is more in accord with what most people call freedom of the press, etc, etc.. I hope this works out and we can leave it unmoderated. In a week or so I'll change the instructions at the website to reflect this change. Bob Fay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com