>From "The History of Racine and Kenosha Cos, Wisconsin", Chicago Western Historical Company, copyright 1879, p382. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Yhe Methodist Episcopal Church was organized in 1837. Reverend Otis F Curtis being the first pastor. Many of the original members are still living, and are among the best known and most highly respected citizens of Racine and ... Harrison Fay are among the pricipal members of the original organization. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote provided by Cathy Kubly of Wisconsin Genconnect 4/23/2000 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Dear folks, There have been a number of FAY families in Georgia. Among these families are: 1. Edwin Fay [OPF # 981] and Edwin Hedge Fay [981-2] who lived for a while in Washington and Sparta, GA. Edwin married Sarah Elizabeth Shields of Lumpkin, GA. They later moved to Minden, LA. 2. Samuel Howard Fay [OPF # 1912] was a merchant in Savannah, GA, as was his brother Joseph Story Fay [OPF # 1921]. Three of Samuel Howard Fay's children were born in Savannah and one was born in Montpelier, GA. Joseph Story was a prominent partner in Paddleford & FAY, a "cotton factor" business. Former President George Bush is descended from the family of Samuel Howard Fay. These families went "North" at the start of the Civil War. 3. George Washington Fay (1823-1896) was an assistant surgeon in Shrman's Army and ran the Dalton Hospital during part of the Civil War. He served with the 32nd Wisconsin Vols. His family lived in Menasha, WI and Huron, SD. 4. Richard Gookin, first husband of Mary FAY Gookin Doolittle [OPF # 408-1], died in Savannah, Ga on Apr. 23, 1830. 5. Richard William Fay (1912-1972) lived in Savannah, Ga from 1944 until his death in 1972. He was a research entomologist. 6. Descendants of Horace Amsden Fay [OPF # 1125-6] live in central, Ga., I think. I know of at least four other families of FAY's in Georgia, but I can't locate their names immediately. There were a number of Irish FAY's in Georgia in the 1840-1860 period as well. I have seen their names in the Chatham County Census for that period. If you can send me some concrete names and dates, I will try to check the information in Savannah, Ga in the first week of May which will be my next trip down to Georgia. Sincerely, Mary (FAY) Nelson 9

Miriah/Mariah/Maria FAYE married Ezekial PARRISH perhaps in Georgia or Columbia County Florida about 1834. Ezekial, his father Josiah and several brothers were in Columbia County about 1824. Mariah/Miriah was a schoolgirl of 14 in the Augusta Georgia area of Richmond Co. Georgia sometime before 1820. She died in Hague Florida in 1905 at nearly 100 years. Ezekial's father Josiah was a son of Henry Parrish of Bulloch Co., Georgia. They may have entered Florida via Camden Co., Georgia. Any spelling of the name Faye is possible. Does anyone have any info of Georgia FAYE/FAY families coming this far south before 1840? Bulloch, Camden, Richmond Counties Georgia into Columbia, Alachua counties Florida. Thank you

Hi Jane, I'm Bob Fay and I subscribe to the Fahey digest. I also administer the Fay list, and on an ongoing basis I have subscribers whose family surname started out as Fahey and was changed to Fay over the generations. They have lots of problems because of the name change. If you or other subscribers find some Fays in your lines I would be glad to post the info on the Fay list. Just send a note to me at madgrad&&@hotmail.com with the posting. or you could subscribe as may be most convenient for you. Bob Fay ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JRK" <mizrock@rockartifacts.com> Reply-To: FAHEY-L@rootsweb.com To: FAHEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} [FAHEY] Laurence Fahy m. Catherine Murray Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:09:33 -0700 Hello listers :-) Just signed on to the list this morning, and while reviewing the list archives have already found birth information on two of my great aunts! :-) Thank you to Pat Connors who had posted Fahy birth data from which I picked up two of my Gr-grandmother Lizzie Fahy's sisters, Bridget and Maryanne. My Gr-grandmother Elizabeth (Lizzie) was one of several children born to Laurence Fahy and Catherine Murray of the Coolfin/Abbey area. Would love to connect with anyone on the list who may be related. After Laurence's death, Catherine Murray Fahy married Michael Geraghty and reared a total of 15 children. Several of Lizzie's sisters emmigrated to Chicago. If any of this rings a bell, I would love to hear from you. More information can be viewed at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~egan There you will find more information about Catherine Murray (whose nickname was "The Wren") and also a photo of Lizzie's sisters in Chicago. I recently finished transcribing 25 years of parish baptismal records for the Woodford/Looscaune Parish (1865 - 1889), and listed there are many, many Fahys. The link to the records is located at the bottom of the above referenced page. Looking forward to becoming better acquainted, and am delighted to have found this list. Jane Rock Kennedy Egan-L Mailing List Administrator RootsWeb Sponsor mizrock@rockartifacts.com http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~egan ==== FAHEY Mailing List ==== Fahey List Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Fahey Genforum: http://genforum.genealogy.com/fahey/ Fahey GenConnect Board: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/f/a/FAHEY/queries James Fahy's Homepage: http://ConstableFahy.home.att.net/heraldry.html ============================== Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ==== FAHEY Mailing List ==== Fahey List Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Fahey Genforum: http://genforum.genealogy.com/fahey/ Fahey GenConnect Board: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/f/a/FAHEY/queries James Fahy's Homepage: http://ConstableFahy.home.att.net/heraldry.html ============================== Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: http://pml.rootsweb.com/

Good morning all, Since last I posted anything vital I've found much more info on the line down from Benejah Fay. I've been corresponding with various people and have a much better picture, so to speak. I've found that some of his offspring went to Wisconsin, while others went up to Michigan. Pardon if this repeats info I already shared, but there may be new people on the list who weren't benefited by it before. <G> Additionally, there was enough new stuff to warrant an update on the list. Sources of the info is direct word of mouth from Bonnie Jeanne FAY HUNT and a few emails from Donald G HOFFMAN, who is a descendent of Valentine HOFFMAN, a brother to Dora HOFFMAN, who married Edgar B FAY. Also the Parma Heights Historical Cemetery can be counted as a source, as well as Ginger, who is descended from Asa FAY directly. My initial info came from "The History of Parma" by Ernest R. Kubasek published in 1976 by Ernest R. Kubasek and Bernard Survoy. My last source is the audio tape I received from my wife's grandmother. It was recorded by Dr. Dudley Sherman FAY. Apparently it was a speech he was giving that related his FAY history to an unknown group. He was a genealogical hobbyist. New info supplied by "Pioneer Families of Cleveland, Ohio 1796-1840 Volume 1" published in 1914, Cathy Hubly who posted some FAY bios on the web. Those of you who were sent a GEDCOM of the info may want to update it to reflect the new stuff. If you link in by all means let me know. On an even better note my wife's great-grandfather Eugene Norman FAY is coming down from Michigan to visit this weekend. Maybe he'll share with us, more of his memories of the family. LMA Jim SHREVE Sr. Generation 1 Benejah FAY (b. July 28, 1773 Sturbridge, MA and d. 4-15-1860 Parma, Oh) married 1st (m. 1799 Lewis County, NY) Ruth WILCOX (b. 10-20-1781 Middletown, Middlesex County, CT d. 9-16-1831 Parma, Cuyahoga County, Oh), daughter of Jeremiah WILCOX & Ruth DUDLEY 2nd (m. 1832 Cuyahoga County, OH) Rhoda EDWARDS (b. 5-10-1798 d. 3-29-1859 Parma, Cuyahoga County, OH), daughter of Rudolphus EDWARDS & Anna MERRILL. Benejah FAY & Ruth WILCOX happened to be the first settlers in what is now known as Parma, OH. Children: 1> Sophie FAY (b. 5/17/1800 New York d. Michigan) married Joseph DEAN 2> Asa FAY (b. 10/23/1801 New York) married Florella BRAINARD 3> Amanda FAY (b. 11/20/1802 New York d. 8-18-Troy, MI) married John VALENTINE 4> Joseph Mason FAY (b. 7/31/1805 New York d. 7-24-1889 Kenosha County, WI) married Sophronia A BRAINARD 5> Benejah Jr FAY (b. 8/6/1806 New York d. 7-24-1849 Parma, OH) married Lois HODGEMAN 6> Mary FAY (b. 7/31/1808 New York) 7> Harriet FAY (b. 4/27/1810 New York) 8> Huldah FAY (b. 11/19/1811 New York d. Michigan) married Edwin LOVEJOY 9> Watson FAY (b. 9/26/1813 New York) 10> Lyman FAY (b. 10/6/1815 New York) married Mary BORROUGHS 11> Mabel Truman FAY (b. 1/26/1820 Parma, OH) married Dudley Sherman HUMPHREY 12> Twin Jeremiah Wilcox FAY (b. 3/8/1822 Parma, OH d. 9-2-1913 Parma, Cuyahoga County, OH) married Mary Ann BRADLEY 13> Twin Ruth FAY (b. 3/8/1822 Parma, OH) Generation 2 1> Sophie FAY (b. 5/17/1800 New York d. Michigan) married (3-18-1818 Cuyahoga County, OH) Joseph DEAN 2> Asa FAY (b. 10/23/1801 New York) married (m. 10-13-1831 Cuyahoga County, OH) Florella BRAINARD Children: 14> Asa FAY married Lucy L BRISTOL 15> Roxanna FAY married Newell ROBERTS 3> Amanda FAY (b. 11/20/1802 New York d. 8-18-Troy, MI) married (m. Cuyahoga County, OH) John VALENTINE known children: 16>Samuel VALENTINE (b. 1821 Ohio) 17>Jurusha VALENTINE (b. 1823 Ohio) 18>Edmond VALENTINE (b. 1825 Ohio) 19>Benajah VALENTINE (b. 1831 Michigan) 20>Harriet VALENTINE (b. 1833 Michigan) 21>Ransdale VALENTINE (b. 1835 Michigan) 22>Clark VALENTINE (b. 1839 Michigan) 23>Cornelia VALENTINE (b. 1842 Michigan) 24>Ona VALENTINE (b. 1846 Michigan) 25>Charles VALENTINE (b. 1846 Michigan) 4> Joseph Mason FAY (b. 7/31/1805 New York d. 7-24-1889 Kenosha County, WI) married (m. 1828 Cuyahoga County, OH) Sophronia A BRAINARD (b. 2-27-1806 Connecticut d. 3-14-1885 Kenosha County, WI) children: 26>Andrew FAY (b. 2-4-1833 Cuyahoga County, OH) married 1st Cynthia M NEWBURY 2nd Harriet M BRAINERD 27>Clarissa FAY (d. before 1892) 28>Sylvanus FAY (d. before 1892) 29>Lyman FAY (b. 6-16-1834 Cuyahoga County, OH) married Clarissa J BRAINARD 30>George H FAY (b. 9-17-1844 Wheatland Township, Kenosha County, WI) married 1st Caroline S WILCOX 2nd Susan M RUNKEL 31>Mary FAY married Nathan T WILCOX 32>Florilla FAY 5> Benejah FAY Jr. (b. 8-6-1806 New York, MA d. 7-24-1849 Parma, Cuyahoga County, OH) married Lois HODGEMAN(b.1808 d. 11-27-1877 Brooklyn Hts. OH) Children: 33> Eli FAY (b. 4/22/1828) married 1st Huldah TAYLOR 2nd Betsey E DUNHAM 34> Lovell B FAY (b. 8-23-1848 d. 10-15-1866) 8> Huldah FAY (b. 11/19/1811 New York d. Michigan) married (m. 4-17-1824 Cuyahoga County, OH) Edwin LOVEJOY 10> Lyman FAY (b. 10/6/1815 New York) married (Cuyahoga County, OH) Mary BORROUGHS, daughter of David BORROUGHS Jr. & Clara EDWARDS 11> Mabel Truman FAY (b. 1-26-1820 Parma OH) married (m. 3-11-1847 Cuyahoga County, OH) Dudley Sherman HUMPHREY (b. 11-21-1814 Goshen, CT d. 1876 Wakeman Township, Huron County, OH), son of Dudley HUMPHREY & Polly M SHERMAN Children: 35>Mina Sherman HUMPHREY 36>Harlow HUMPHREY 37> Dudley Sherman HUMPHREY II (b. 5-19-1852 Wakeman Township, Huron County, OH d. 9-7-1933 Euclid Beach Park, Cuyahoga County, OH) married Effie DeEtta SHANNON 38> David H HUMPHREY 39> Mary Malinda HUMPHREY NOTE: This line of the family is related to William Tecumseh SHERMAN 12> Jeremiah Wilcox FAY (b. 3-8-1822 Parma, OH d. 1913 Parma, OH) married (m. 7-5-1854 Rockport, OH) Mary Ann BRADLEY (b. 1836 d. 1912 Parma, Cuyahoga County, OH), daughter of Alfred BRADLEY & Clarissa BRISCOE) Children: 40> William N FAY (b. abt 1855 d. 7-14-1906) 41> Edgar B FAY (b. 12-1-1856 d. 4-22-1934 Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, OH) married Dora M HOFFMAN 42> Albert W FAY (b. 2-1860 Parma, OH d. 6-6-1861 Parma, OH) 43> Alfred Wiley FAY (b. 1866 d. 4-30-1944) married Jennie E PECK 44> Clarence E FAY (b. 5/1/1873 Parma, OH d. 9-24-1947 Parma, OH) married Ruth R STEVENS Generation 3 14> Asa FAY married (m. 1-30-1870 Wakeman, Huron County, OH) Lucy L BRISTOL Children: 45> Adelaid Flora FAY(b. 12-16-1871 Huron County, OH) 46> James Franklin FAY 47> Clara May FAY 48> Harriet FAY 49> Alfred FAY 50> Etta FAY 51> Asa FAY 52> Olive FAY 15> Roxanna FAY married Newell ROBERTS, son of Alamanza ROBERTS & Maryann BLAKESLEE Children: 53> Luthor ROBERTS 26>Andrew FAY (b. 2-4-1833 Cuyahoga County, OH) married 1st (m. 12-21-1858) Cynthia M NEWBURY (b. Racine County, WI d. 5-25-1882 Wheatland Township, Kenosha County, WI), daughter of Jonathan NEWBURY & Nancy SHOWERS and 2nd (m. 2-12-1883 Wisconsin) Harriet M BRAINERD (b. 1-14-1844 Racine County, WI), daughter of Elmo BRAINERD & Beulah BRAINERD children by Cynthia NEWBURY: 54>Ida R FAY 55>Mina E FAY married Herman ELFERS 29>Lyman FAY (b. 6-16-1834 Cuyahoga County, OH) married (m. 12-31-1858 Wisconsin) Clarissa J BRAINARD (b. 6-12-1842 Milwaukee WI), daughter of Elmore BRAINARD & Beulah BRAINARD known children: 56>Ulysses S FAY (b. abt 1869 30>George H FAY (b. 9-17-1844 Wheatland Township, Kenosha County, WI) married 1st (m. 4-19-1869 Wilmot, WI) Caroline S WILCOX (d. 10-13-1874), daughter of Levi P WILCOX & Eliza UNKNOWN 2nd (m. 10-18-1879) Susan M RUNKEL (b. 1-29-1857 Burlington Township, WI), daughter of Henry RUNKEL & Ann STEINWAY children by Caroline WILCOX: 57>Carrie E FAY 58>Ellis M FAY 59>UNKNOWN FAY (d. in infancy) children by Susan RUNKEL: 60>Mabel C FAY (b. 10-19-1880) 61>Milton G FAY (b. 11-30-1886) 31>Mary FAY married Nathan T WILCOX NOTE: Couple was living in Iowa in 1892. 33> Eli FAY (b. 4-22-1828) married 1st Huldah TAYLOR (d. 1865 Middleburgh, OH) 2nd (m. 4-4-1866 Rockport, OH) Betsey E DUNHAM (b. 9-2-1842), daughter of Almod DUNHAM & Eunice CORBIN. Children by second wife: 62> Ira E FAY 37> Dudley Sherman HUMPHREY II (b. 5-19-1852 Wakeman Township, Huron County, OH d. 9-7-1933 Euclid Beach Park, Cuyahoga County, OH) married (m. 9-3-1879 Wakeman, Huron County, OH) Effie DeEtta SHANNON Children: 63> Mabel Elizabeth HUMPHREY married unknown KILLALY 64> Harvey John HUMPHREY married Catherine FULDAUER 65> H Louise HUMPHREY married unknown LAMBIE 66> David Humphrey 41> Edgar B FAY (b. 12-1-1856 d. 4-22-1934 Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, OH) married Dora M HOFFMAN (b. 2-1857 Parma, Cuyahoga County, OH), daughter of Jacob K HOFFMAN & Catharine Elizabeth BOTTGER Children: 67> Emma FAY (b. 11-7-1880 Parma, Cuyahoga County, OH) 68> Florence FAY (b. 1-20-1899 Parma, Cuyahoga County, OH) married Maxwell J KUHN 43> Alfred Wiley FAY (b. 1866 d. 4-30-1944) married Jennie E PECK (b. 1866 d. 11-15-1951 44> Clarence FAY (b. 5/1/1873 d. 9-24-1947 Parma, OH) married (m. 11-28-1902 Cuyahoga County, OH) Ruth R STEVENS (b. 1883 d. 8-9-1924 Parma, OH), daughter of Nettie BROWNELL Children: 69> Esther M FAY (b. 10-17-1902 Parma, OH d. 5-6-1904 Parma, OH) 70> Eugene Norman FAY (b. 2-5-1906 still alive) married 1st Virginia Louise SMITH 2nd Enola Wuanita BLAELOCK 71> Dr. Dudley Sherman FAY (b. abt 1907 d. 1/16/1992 Parma, OH) married Opal McCLARREN 72> Jeremiah Wilcox "Jerry" FAY 73> Walter G FAY (b. 11-12-1909 d. 8-16-1983) married Evelyn A Generation 4 62> Ira E FAY married Ida WEST 63> Mabel Elizabeth HUMPHREY married unknown KILLALY 64> Harvey John HUMPHREY married (m. 8-8-1906) Catherine FULDAUER 65> H Louise HUMPHREY married unknown LAMBIE 68> Florence FAY (b. 1-20-1899 Parma, Cuyahoga County, OH) married Maxwell J KUHN (b. abt 1889 Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, OH d. 7-5-1951) Children: 74> Harland KUHN (b. 6-4-1915 Cuyahoga County OH d. 7-22-1983 Trumbull County, OH) married (m. 4-16-1936) Virginia May SMITH 75> George Edgar KUHN 70> Eugene Norman FAY (b. 2-5-1906 still alive) married 1st Virginia Louis e SMITH (b. 8-31-1904 Cleveland OH d. 4-18-1936) 2nd Enola Wuanita BLAELOCK (b. 7-1-1913 d. 1-30-1998 Taylor, MI) Children by first wife 76> Marilyn FAY 77> Bonnie Jeanne FAY married Donald Earl HUNT THIS IS MY WIFE'S PATERNAL GRANDPARENTS Children by second wife 78> Karen FAY married Keith UNKNOWN 71> Dr. Dudley Sherman FAY (b. abt 1907 d. 1/16/1992 Parma, OH) married Opal McCLARREN (d. before 1992) Child: 79> Ruth FAY 72> Jeremiah Wilcox "Jerry" FAY married UNKNOWN Child: 80> Dale FAY 73> Walter G FAY (b. 11-12-1909 d. 8-16-1983) married Evelyn A (b. 12-2-1908 d. 12-27-1996) Children 81> Judith FAY married unknown JOHNSON 82> Bruce FAY

Dear Folks, Tuesday night, I looked at the Marlborough Historical site which was provided to us by Bob Fay in Volume 00 Number 41 X-message # 1 with the site listing of "History of Marlborough". I was able to download the (tax) 1789 (assessment/invoice) and the (tax) Invoice of 1812 . These are primary documents as they were written by hand at the date stated. I have not had a chance to cross check the list against the Fay book, but I only saw one or two Fay's on either list. The Barns, Brigham, Chase, Gates, Goodnow/ Goodenow/ Goodenough, How/ Howe, Loring, Maynard, Morse, Moor/ Moore, and other families on these list are related to the FAY through marriages to FAY women or Fay grandchildren. This transcribed colonial record can probably be used with caution as primary documentation, if the original records are not available. These records indicate land divisions. The description of the construction of the minister's house is included and gives us some idea of early houses in Marlborough/ Marlboro, MA. Some of the early colonial problems of roaming herds of pigs/swine are indicated by the ordinances passed by the town Selectmen.. These records indicate the presence of our ancestors in this town, but do not give much information as to relationships between people. Only the wife of MR How, Mary How, is listed in a land grant. "Poll" in the first column indicates who was able to vote in Marlboro, MA that year. The "crossed L" means "pounds" and the "s'" means shillings. These are units of money and are not the number of people in the household. The 1789 material would have been just before the first Census of the United States (1790). The 1812 material would have been two years after the Third US Census (1810). Most of the FAYs were in other nearby towns or had moved to Vermont by the time of the American Revolution. Some of the FAY women were the wives of the sons, grandsons or great grandsons of the men listed in these documents. The COLONIAL RECORDS OF MARLBOROUGH MASS, which begin in the year 1656, are transcribed records. Whoever did the work tried to maintain the original spellings and superscripts. One needs to keep in mind that our John FAY SR came over to the American colonies in 1656 at the age of 8 years. Therefore, he will not appear in these early records except as a minor or indentured servant. However, over two thirds of the men in these colonial records are the fathers or grandfathers of FAY spouses. For example, William WARD was the grandfather of Increase WARD Jr, the husband of Ruth FAY Ward 2 (OPF # 5). Peter Bent the elder appears in these records. He is believed to have had John FAY Sr/1 in his household. The first document of the Petition of the inhabitants of Sudbury (MA) gives us a clue as to where the people of Marlborough were living before town of Marlborough MA was founded in May 1656. It also gives us a list of the original settlers of this "new" town. (John Fay SR/1, age of 8 years, arrived in June 1656.) I was also able to download the list of 1884-1887 of the Civil War Veterans of Marlborough MA Still Living. This is a transcribed list showing surname, given name, unit/service, amount received per month in pension, and who received the pension. When the names are different, one picks up either a widow or dependent person of the soldier. There was one Fay on this list (James C. Fay of the Co. C. Heavy Artillery.) Some of the other people are related to the FAY family through the female lines. I have not had time to check out the list yet. A word of caution about downloading and printing this stuff. You only need to press PRINT once per section, not on each page, to get a print of everything in that section of the above mentioned sections of the site. You will get a number of blank pages for each section as well. The Weeks Cemetery lists gives transcriptions of the gravestones in that Marlborough cemetery. Many of the stones/entries give relationships to others in the cemetery. Again, I have not had time to research whether any of these people are related to the FAY family by marriage. Sincerely, Mary (FAY) Nelson 9

I have been advised by a Port Washington researcher of a "memory" of a current local resident. He tells of two Fay brothers, THOMAS and J.J (James) who had connections with the Port Washington Engine Protection Company #1 in the late 1890's/early 1900's. Thomas was a volunteer fireman but JJ had a loose association only (possibly a benefactor?). However, the interesting point made was that it was suggested that the wife of JJ (E. Henrietta Fay) was a member of the well-known Guggenheim family. Has anyone heard of this link before? Down at the bottom of the South Pacific our reference libraries hold little on the well-known Guggenheim family so if anyone has anything at all to offer on this prospect we would be pleased to hear from you. Sincere thanks in advance. Les and Gloria Hewett, Napier, New Zealand.

>snip-all html enriched text coding-Bob F< ********************************************************************** ----Original Message Follows---- From: HIRO.FAY@wanadoo.fr Subject: Re: New branch...new french connection! Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:59:32 -0700 > Here is a new branch of John1: > from Cyrus 5 Fay(b.15/apr/1778;d.11/feb/1839) and Marie-Archange MARTIN > 6 Zephire FISKE-FAY (born in 1814 and died in 1889) m.Martha BUTTREY=20 > 5 children: > Fany FAY > Alice FAY > John Wantey FAY > Varley-Georges FAY b.1852, d.1938 m. Constence LOWTON (4 ch) > Francis-Marcus FAY b.1853,d.1921 m Emma FAUCONNIER (2ch) > 7 Varley-Georges FAY and Constence LOWTON: > 4 children: > Alice FAY > Walter FAY m.Geraldine STARK (2ch.) > Cyrus FAY > Doroth=E9e FAY > 7 Francis-Marcus FAY and Emma FAUCONNIER: > 2children: > Maurice FAY b.1878, d.1974,m.Madeleine LITNEN (4 children) > Marcel FAY b.1879,d.1958 ,m. Elisabeth PELLAY (3 children) > 8 Maurice FAY and Madeleine LITNEN: > 4 children: > Simone FAY > Lilyane FAY > Henri FAY > Monique FAY m. Charles TIRET > 8 Marcel FAY and Elisabeth PELLAY: > 3 Children: > Colette FAY > Gilbert FAY > Frank FAY ,b.23/nov/1923,living,m1 Raymonde BLIN (1 children) > m2 Chryssa = > CAMBOURAKIS ,b.22/dec/1922,living, (2 ch) > m3 Maud PEAUIT > 9 Frank FAY and Raymonde BLIN: > Herve FAY , b.1944, living > Frank FAY and Chryssa CAMBOURAKIS: > Cyrus FAY ,b.29/apr/1949 in Paris, FRANCE, Living, m.Dominique = > LEMEVEL (2ch) > Hiro FAY ,b.07/sept/1950 in Tahiti, living, m.28/08/1988 Daniel = > PINAULT (1ch) > 10 Cyrus FAY and Dominique LEMEVEL: > Floriane FAY > Thomas FAY > Hiro FAY and Danielle PINAULT: > Diane FAY, b.23/nov/1993 in Auxerre,Yonne,france,living=20 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I am just getting started and need help & direction. My great grandmother was the daughter of TIMOTHY & CATHERINE FAY. Her name was CATHERINE BRIGID FAY, b. ca. 1858. She married PATRICK F. GLENNON 6 Mar 1886 in MA. That is the only FAY information I have to go on, except that my grandmother talked about an ADMIRAL FAY to whom she was related in some way. Does anyone have any reference to an admiral? Thank you, Nanci

Morning, This may be on interest to others on here. I just checked the webpages you mention in the email below. Specifically the last one, which is the bio of Lyman FAY. This Lyman FAY is not the son of Benejah FAY (OPF 95) & Ruth WILCOX. The Lyman FAY in the bio is the grandson of Benejah FAY (OPF 95). Benejah FAY had a son named Joseph M FAY who was born July 31, 1805 in New York according to "The History of Parma" published in 1976 by Ernest Kubasek. The book does not mention that Joseph M FAY married or when and where he died. I do know the FAY's and BRAINARDS intermarried a few times. Thus there are two Lyman FAY's who removed Kenosha, WI. Jim SHREVE Sr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert W. Fay" <madgrad77@hotmail.com> To: <FAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 11:18 PM Subject: [FAY] USA, WI, Lyman Fay, et al > Jim, > > The biography of Lyman Fay is far more extensive than I had remembered and > includes his parents and childrem. In adddition, the birographies of his > brother and son and their children are also there. > I understand this branch is of New York descent and John Fay's, a New > Yorker, is also included. This area was originally settled by immigrants > from New England, including many New Yorkers. Cathy Kubly was kind enough to > post them to the website she coordinates. Check: > > http://genexchange.com/bio.cfm?state=WI&ID=5493 > http://genexchange.com/bio.cfm?state=WI&ID=5494 > http://genexchange.com/bio.cfm?state=WI&ID=2749 > http://genexchange.com/bio.cfm?state=WI&ID=5492 > > The children went all over the midwest, so I hope this info helps any number > of researchers. I believe there are descendants of this family still living > in Wheatland and the surrounding areas. I also suspet this family may be > associated somehow with the Fays around Burlington WI, in Racine county just > a few miles away.

Jim, Do you have any sense of what year Lyman "the elder" may have removed to Kenosha County? Kenosha County came into existance in 1850 and he would have been perhaps somewhat older than most would envision wishing to undertake the challenges of a primitive pioneer culture and its hardships. Indian skirmishes were well known in Wisconsin in the 1850's and life was very hard. If it was before 1850, there is a confusing set of county incorporation dates that determine where records are kept. Could he perhaps have moved back east from here? I don't know of a second Lyman Fay in Kenosha county, but perhaps it should be researched. Bob ----Original Message Follows---- From: "FAY LIST" <postingsonly@hotmail.com> To: madgrad77@hotmail.com Subject: Fwd: Re: [FAY] USA, WI, Lyman Fay, et al Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:06:41 CDT ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jim Shreve Sr." <gemon_hammersmythe@ameritech.net> Reply-To: "Jim Shreve Sr." <gemon@unforgettable.com> To: FAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FAY] USA, WI, Lyman Fay, et al Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:33:54 -0400 Morning, This may be on interest to others on here. I just checked the webpages you mention in the email below. Specifically the last one, which is the bio of Lyman FAY. This Lyman FAY is not the son of Benejah FAY (OPF 95) & Ruth WILCOX. The Lyman FAY in the bio is the grandson of Benejah FAY (OPF 95). Benejah FAY had a son named Joseph M FAY who was born July 31, 1805 in New York according to "The History of Parma" published in 1976 by Ernest Kubasek. The book does not mention that Joseph M FAY married or when and where he died. I do know the FAY's and BRAINARDS intermarried a few times. Thus there are two Lyman FAY's who removed Kenosha, WI. Jim SHREVE Sr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert W. Fay" <madgrad77@hotmail.com> To: <FAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 11:18 PM Subject: [FAY] USA, WI, Lyman Fay, et al > Jim, > > The biography of Lyman Fay is far more extensive than I had remembered and > includes his parents and childrem. In adddition, the birographies of his > brother and son and their children are also there. > I understand this branch is of New York descent and John Fay's, a New > Yorker, is also included. This area was originally settled by immigrants > from New England, including many New Yorkers. Cathy Kubly was kind enough to > post them to the website she coordinates. Check: > > http://genexchange.com/bio.cfm?state=WI&ID=5493 > http://genexchange.com/bio.cfm?state=WI&ID=5494 > http://genexchange.com/bio.cfm?state=WI&ID=2749 > http://genexchange.com/bio.cfm?state=WI&ID=5492 > > The children went all over the midwest, so I hope this info helps any number > of researchers. I believe there are descendants of this family still living > in Wheatland and the surrounding areas. I also suspet this family may be > associated somehow with the Fays around Burlington WI, in Racine county just > a few miles away. ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Jim, The biography of Lyman Fay is far more extensive than I had remembered and includes his parents and childrem. In adddition, the birographies of his brother and son and their children are also there. I understand this branch is of New York descent and John Fay's, a New Yorker, is also included. This area was originally settled by immigrants from New England, including many New Yorkers. Cathy Kubly was kind enough to post them to the website she coordinates. Check: http://genexchange.com/bio.cfm?state=WI&ID=5493 http://genexchange.com/bio.cfm?state=WI&ID=5494 http://genexchange.com/bio.cfm?state=WI&ID=2749 http://genexchange.com/bio.cfm?state=WI&ID=5492 The children went all over the midwest, so I hope this info helps any number of researchers. I believe there are descendants of this family still living in Wheatland and the surrounding areas. I also suspet this family may be associated somehow with the Fays around Burlington WI, in Racine county just a few miles away. Cathy also sent me the bios as word documents so if you would like them just drop me a note at madgrad77@hotmail.com in the next few days. Bob Fay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

bonjour de France � tout le monde Hi every body. And what about a big big meeting with all of the descendants of John FAY on several days ??

********************************************************************* Fay's & Fahey's in Ireland Since last posting on this subject, I have found further information on the Irish Fays and Faheys. There is an ancient Irish family by the name O'Faich. Over the years this name has been anglicized to both Fahey (and some similiar variants) and Fay. Other subscribers to this list can provide extensive information on this family (websites, mail list, etc) and I would invite them to do that as I am not very well versed on the Fahey history. There is a completely different family from ancient times in the Normandy and Picardy regions of France by the name of du Fay and de Fay, who were active in Norman activities, and have many recorded Norman charters both in France, and England following the conquest. Richard de Fay was a knight to de Lacy, Lord of Meath, according to the following article which was posted 1/30/00. The Norman lords including, prominently, Hugh de Lacy "conquered" Ireland in the years following the conquest of England. For further information and details on the Normans in Ireland, please see: http://www.emeraldgolf.com/music/history/normans.html and http://www.cruithni.org.uk/overview/over_6.html And that is another of the conections between the Norman Fay's of France, England and Ireland. Bob Fay ********************************************************************** ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Robert W. Fay" <madgrad77@hotmail.com> Reply-To: Fay-L@rootsweb.com To: Fay-L@rootsweb.com Subject: The Normans & the French-Irish, and French-English Connection Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:48:53 CST Dear Listers, During the years that I have been working on the Fay's, there has always been somewhat of an open question as to the French (Norman) connection and as to the relationship of the English Fays to the Irish Fays. Mary Fay Nelson recently wrote of the contention some time ago that John Fay of Marlboro was a Huegonut and that was ultimately disproved. Now, while I do not suggest that I know the answer to the French connection, I have found an extensive reference that provides the historical context into which several Fay French, or more properly Norman connections could easily be postulated. This is not a primary source although many primary sources are cited. While it is a start, it hardly explores even on a cursory level this particular facet of Fay history, and I hope there are others as well who will further investigate this reference and other appropriate materials and find the answer to this perplexing question. I hope individuals that are interested can post their results here as they become available. This reference also deals with the Irish Fay/English Fay connection. So this topic has a broad base of interest to all Fay researchers. My purpose in posting this is: 1. To suggest that there are two completely separate FAY lines being discussed in this mail list and creating confusion. They are. A. A FAY line that originated in ancient Ireland as O'Fataigh, and was subsequently Anglicized to Fay, Fahy, and Fahie, and probably also includes O'Fahy, O'Feay, O'Fay and other similiar variants. Please see the posting forwarded to this mailing list by Pat Traynor and posted January 21, 2000 for more complete information on this FAY line. B. A FAY line which originated in Normandy as De Fay, Du Fay, and De La Fay, and was subsequently Anglicized to FAY. Members of this FAY line settled in England and Ireland subsequent to the Norman Conquest. 2. To suggest that the Norman Fay's adopted the surname Fay as a Norman place name, perhaps associated with a nearby beech or oak forest. 3. To suggest that the Norman Fay's are not of French (if there is such a thing) blood but more probably of Scandanavian blood, or perhaps Frankish blood, for several reasons: a. Because the Norman, English and Norman-Irish Fays were landed and therefore were related or in some other fashion closely associated with the ruling class, which was Scandanavian beginning with Rollo (Rolf) in 911, and before that Frankish, ending with Charles the Simple in 911 both in Normandy; and beginning with William the Conqueror in 1066 in England and Ireland. b. Because in the late Dave Fay's website, Dave makes the statement regarding John Erni Remick, a genealogist "John Erni Remick has found conections to William the Conqueror in France, but no bridge between France and Wales, or England has yet been established." But clearly, in the following account William De Fay of Hampshire, England is one and the same William De Fay of Barrentin, Roumare, St Jean-du-Cardanett and St Agnes, Normandy. And it would seem likely that further research into the other early English and Irish De Fay's mentioned in this reference were from Normandy as well. c. If the De Fays are related to William the Conqueror, and since William the Conqueror is directly related to both the Scandanvian Kings and the Old English Kings, it would make sense for the De Fay's to be found in the parts of England ruled by William as well as the parts ruled by the Danish. ********************************************************************** I didn't know anything, and still know very little, about the Norman conquest or feudal and pre-feudal Europe so I had to learn a little about that as well, and here is a very brief summary. ********************************************************************** NORMAN CONQUEST In 1066 Duke William of Normandy, France invaded and conquered England. My references say there was a small population of Normans in England before the Norman Conquest, but by 1087 there were 200,000 Normans, and 1,500,000 English. Following the conquest, the now King William the Conqueror had to repay the many Norman barons who supplied him with money, men and material for the Conquest which he did by awarding English Baronies. 92% of the land in England went to Norman hands following the Conquest. It would make sense for the Norman names to show up on the records of real estate transactions. It's also helpful to know that Normandy had been ruled by Scandanavians since Rollo in 911, and some "Normans" were actually of Scandanavian descent. Under Scandanavian rule, the abbeys in Normandy had been allowed to fall into disrepair, and the Normans during the later stages of Scandanvian rule gave tracts of land to the abbeys for rebuilding the religious institutions. It's also helpful to know that many Normans, beginning with King William and extending in the Barons and other nobility, preferred to spend their time in Normandy, and were only in England the minimum time needed to govern their territories. The office of Sherriff was elevated under Norman rule and had a variety of duties including fiscal and administrative duties to the Duchy. The Sheriff was most prominent because he dispensed justice in all cases in a shire except for the most important cases which were advanced to the Kings Court.The "Marches" are a series of military roads constructed in ancient times to allow the easy movement of troops.[1][2][3][4] I know that some will take issue, properly, with my little one paragraph summary of the Normans and Conquest, but this is a long posting even without it, and the only intent is to provide a little context and detail for the main posting. ********************************************************************** HELPFUL LEGAL DEFINITIONS and ABREVIATIONS Reference [5] Attorne: In old English law, an attorney. Charter: ...In old English law, a deed or other written instrument under seal; a conveyance, covenant, or contract. Effeoffment: The act of investing with any dignity or possession; also the instrument or deed by which a person is invested with possession. Escheat: A reversion of property to the state in consequence of a want of any individual competent to inherit. Escheat at feudal law was the right of the lord of a fee to re-enter the same when it became vacant by the extinction of the blood of a tenant. This extinction might either be "per defectum sanguinis" or else "per delictum tenentis", where the course of descent was broken by the corruption of the blood of the tenant. As the fee might be holden to the crown or to some inferior lord, the escheat was not always to the crown............ Esquire: In English law, a title of dignity next above a gentleman, and below knight. Also a title of office given to sheriffs, serjeants, and barristers at law, justices of the peace and others. Inter Alios: Between other persons; between those who are strangers to a matter in question. Inquisition post mortem: Probably refers to:"Inquisitio post mortem", an inquisition after death. An inquest of office held, during the continuance of military tenures, upon the death of every one of the Kings tenant's to inquire of what lands he died seised, who was his heir, and of what age, in order to entitle the king to his marriage, wardship, relief, primer seisin, or other advantages, as the circunstances of the case might turn out. Seneschal: In old European law, a title of office and dignity, derived from the Middle Ages, answering to that of steward or high steward in England. Seneschals were originally the lieutenants of the Dukes and other great feudatories of the kingdom, and sometimes had the dispensing of justice and high military commands. Seisin: ....The completion of the feudal investigation by which the tenant was admitted into the feud, and performed the rights of homage and fealty. "Primer seisin": In old English law, the right which the king had, when any of his tenants died seised of a knights fee, to receive of the heir, provided he were of full age, one whole years profits of the lands, if they were in immediate pssession; and half a years profits, if the lands were in reversion, expectant on an estate for life. Seized: ....The status of legally owning and possessing real estate. See "seisin" S.P.: Abbreviation of "sine prole", "without issue"..... Tail, estate in: An estate of inheritance, which instead of descending to heirs generally, goes to the heirs of the donee's body, which means his lawful issue, his children, and through them to his grandchildren in a direct line, so long as his posterity endures in a regular order and course of descent, and upon the death of the first owner without isue, the estate determines. "Tail Male": When certain lands are given to a person and the male heirs of his or her body. The female heirs are not capable of inheriting it. ********************************************************************** The following is copied in its entirety from reference [6] and has three basic sections: 1. Reference to various records in Normandy showing French Fay variants. 2. Reference to various documents in England and Ireland referencing various French Fay variants. 3. A pedigree referencing various additional French Fay variants and its eventual shortening to Fay, and covering the period of 1219-1875 The reference for the following is: "Irish Pedigrees; or the Origin and Stem of the Irish Nation" by John O'Hart, 1923, Murphy & McCarty, 86 Walker Street, New York. ********************************************************************** FAY [I] Arms: Vert a dexter arm issuant from the sinister side of the shield, and a sinister arm from the dexter, vested or cuffed ar. the hands ppr. grasping a sword erect of the third, pommel and hilt of the second, the blade thrust through a dragons head couped of the last. Crest: A dragons head couped or. Motto: Toujours fidele. The De Fays, or De La Fays are of frequent mention in the old Norman Charters, and even at the present day, the family has many representaives amongst the Gallic Nobility. The Viscounts De Latour Maubourg (from whom sprung the Princes D'Auvergne) are stated "to have assumed their sirnames from the Lordship of Fay in Picardy, of which they have been possessed at least as early as the year 1000;" while the Counts Mauleveru, the Counts De La-Grange, the Viscounts De La Faye De Bourbonais and Du Fai de Sauvernay, as well as the Irish Branch now under consideration,appear to have assumed theirs from the Fief of Fay, now in the Parish of St. Honorine-Du-Fay, in Normandy, which was possessed by the family at an equally remote period. Du Conge suggests that the local name "Fay" signified anciently, a Beech or Oak-wood; and that the Abbey of Silly, which was situate in the great forest of St Andre-en-Goufferin, near Fallaise, is styled indifferently in ancient documents "De Silva," "De Bosco", and De Faya". To this abbey in 1202, Garinus, Lord of Bello-Altairi, granted certain lands "heretofore held by W. D. Mandeville, Earl of Essex, of Robert De Fay, father of the said Garinus, as of his Fief of Bello Altari." To the neighboring Abbey of St Andre-en-Goufferin, Burgundian Du Fay, Lady of Harrier, made grants of lands; as did in 1225 Nicote, sister of Raoul Du Fay, which the latter confirmed as "dependant on his Fief of Fay, in the parish of St Honorine-Du-Fay," while Helie Du Fay made a similiar confirmation to the same Abbey, of lands in his Fay-du-Pre', in the parish of Villy. The first of the name Fay we meet in England is Radulphus or Ralph De Fay, or De La Fay, to whom Henry the II in 1154 granted the extensive Manor of Bromely, in Surrey. He held until the 19th of Henry II, when taking part with Prince Henry against his father, he was disseized, and Bromely was granted to Baldwin De Bethune. Afterwards it was again escheated when King John by charter, dated at Poiou, 4th December 1199, granted it to Ralph De Fay, the son, who, with many members of his family was then engaged in that monarchs service in France. This Ralph married Beatrix, sister and co heir of Stephen De Turnham, Seneschal of Poictou, and dying in 1222, left by her who remained with Hugh De Plaiz -John De Fay, his heir, on whose death s.p. in 1241, the Manor of Bromeley passed to his sister, Maud, who married first, William De Clere, and secondly, William De Braiose; and Phillipa, who married William De Neville. In 1215 King John commands De Podio, Seneschal of Angoule'me, "That you without delay cause to be seized into our hands, the land which belonged to William De Mastad, which came to our beloved and faithful William De Fay, in right of his wife, daughter, and heir of the said William De Mastad." In 1215, the said William De Fay, and Ralph, his brother had a grant of land in Hampshire, heretofore the estate of Robert De Mandville. In the same year King John granted to the said William De Fay, the lands of Barrentin, Roumare, St Jean-du-Cardonett, and St Agnes, in Normandy, a grant which was subsequently confirmed by Phillip Augustus. In 1225, William De Fay, electing to remain in Normandy, his lands at Polehampton, Hampshire, were confiscated. In 1208, King John confirms to "Peter De Fay, our Burgess of Rochelle, the reasonable gift made him by Ralph De Fay, of the office of 'Baker and Pasturer' of Rochelle, and of the Hundred Shillings rent in the 'Minages" of Rochelle, and in the Forty Schillings out of the house in Rochelle, wherein Elias gasket formerly had an exchange." The first mention of the name which we have discovered in Ireland is in 1219, when Richard De Fay, Knight of De Lacy, Lord of Meath, was sent by the latter on a mission to the King. About this time, Richard De Fay was seized of Mayneston, in Herefordshire, which is held of the Lord John Monmouth, by ancient enfeoffment. In 1220, Richard and Walter De Fay witness charters of the De Monmouth family, of which House, we may here observe, was Rosa De Monmouth, the first wife of Hugh De Lacy, the "Conqueror" of Meath. In 1281, the King notifies that Richard De Fay, remaining in Ireland, by the kings License, had attorned before him, Geoffreys Te Ireys, and Richard Pickeyleigh. (Pickeyleigh adjoins Maynestown in all pleas and plaints in England). In 1289, Theobald Le Verdon, Lord of the Western moiety of Meath, had a suit with Richard De Fay, concerning the lands of Tyrlicken, or Tyrkillen, in that county. During the course of the proceedings it was expressly stated, "that De Fay was then abroad in the Kings wars." In 1290, George De Fay was seized of premises in Kilmer, Donore, and Glackmore, in the Liberty of Trim, in right of his wife Isabella, daughter of Richard Fitz John, the fifth Baron of Delvin. In 1339, Walter Fitz George De Fay had a suit with his grandmother, Eglantine, widow of Lord Delvin, concerning the above lands, which she also claimed as daughter and heir of William Deweswell, of Deweswelltown, co. Dublin and Kilmer, co. Meath. Shortly after this, John Engelande (a Trustee) conveyed to Richard Fitz George De Fay, the estate of Comerstown, in the Barony of Fore, and of Mayestown, in the Barony of Moyashell, in "Tale Male"; with remainder to Roger De Fay-which Roger De Fay succeeded; and dying before 1380 was siezed, inter alios, of Comerstown, Ballindinam, and Bartanstown. [II} In 1384, his son, John Fitz Roger Fay of Dernegaran was plaintiff in a suit at Trim against George Fitz Walter Fay and Phillip Tuite, for having unlawfully dissiezed him of the above lands, and a verdict was given in his favour; whereupon the said George Fitz Walter appealed, on the grounds that the Jury who tried the case had not been fairly impaneled, "and by reason that Thomas Chamber, the Sheriff, had taken to wife Anne Dardis, cousin of said John Fay." thereupon a new Jury was ordered to be impanelled by the Keeper of the Kings Pleas, which confirmed the verdict of the first-mitigating, however, the damages against George Fitz Walter Fay, "by reason of his minority." In 1465, the Crown having raised some question as to the title of James Fay (son and heir of John Fitz Roger) to the Comerstown estate, he proved it (under the conveyance made by John Englande above cited) in a Parliment held in Trim in that year, in Drogheda in 1468, and in Dublin in 1469. He complains bitterly at being harrassed by this inquiry "that his lands were situate on the Marches, and that he had great trouble defending them against his own and the Kings enemies." This James, it is presumed, was the father of George Fay, who died in 1514, seized of Comerstown and Dernegara, as appears from an Inquisition post mortem, taken at Duleek in that year; and from whom th Pedigree is carried down to the present day, as follows: 1. George Fay of Dernegara, in Westmeath, born in 1435, died May 1514, leaving Gerald, his son, then aged 40; and married as appears from an Inquisition post mortem, taken at Ratoah. 2. Gerald Fay of Dernegara, who was engaged in the Rebellion of "Silken Thomas;" and dying in 1548, was succeeded by his son: 3. Gerald Fay of Dernegara, then aged 40, and married to Joan Fitzgerald by whom he had George, James of Comerstown, and Christopher. He was Sheriff of West Meath in 1565, and died in 1576. 4. George of Dernegara, son of Gerald, died vita Patris,leaving by Mary Fitzgerald, his wife, four sons- 1. Gerald, 2. George, 3. Redmond (all of whom died s.p.), and 4. Meyler. 5. Meyler, of Comerstown:son of George; married Margery Nugent, by whom he had an only son Edward; and dying Nov. 1627, was buried in the Abbey of Multifarnham. 6. Edward, of Garlandstown House and Dernegara: son of Meyler; married Eliza, daughter of Theobald Nugent, Esq., of New Haggard (by Mary, daughter of Nugent, of Carlanstown, ancestor of the extinct Earl Nugent). By this lady, Edward has six sons- 1. Garret, who left issue, Anne, who married Nicholas brother of the celebrated Father Aloyius Stafford, who was killed at Aughrim; and Captain George Fay, who had the benefit of the Articles of Limerick, and thereby saved the Garlandstown estate, which descended to his daughters and co-heiresses (Mrs Kenedy and Mrs. Lessac); 2. Meyler, died s.p.; 3. Stephan, a priest died s.p.; 4. Anthony, died s.p.; and 6. Thomas. Edward Fay, taking a very active part in the troubles of 1641, had his estate confiscated by Cromwell. On the Restoration, this settlement is recited in the Decree dated March 1663, restoring a portion of the property to Richard Nugent as trustee for the four surviving sons of Edward Fay, viz: 1. Garret, of whom presently; 2. Meyler of Comerstown, who died s.p. in 1688; 3. Stephan, a priest who died in 1687; Thomas of Togher, of whom hereafter. The eldest son, Garret, resided at the Castle of Dernegaragh, and, dying in April 1687, left: 1. Mary, married to Luke Cashell, gent. of Sturrock, in Louth, and of Down, in Westmeath; 2. Anne, [III] who married first, Nicholas Stafford, and, secondly, Nicholas Read, Esq., of Dunbyne; 3. George Fay, of Garlandstown, a Captain of Foot in the service of King James II, who having been included in the Articles of Limerick, saved the estate, which in 1730 was in possession of his daughters and co-heirs, Mrs. Kenedy and Mrs. Lessac. Edward Fay d. in March 1685, and the male line of the family was continued by his youngest son.[IV] 7. Thomas Fay, of Dernegara, who married (in 1660), Anne, sister of ------Blake, Esq., of Castletown, by whom he had three sons- 1. Martin; 2. John Mo'r; 3. Thomas Mo'r; and a daughter Frances, who married Owen Johnson, Esq., alias MacShane, son of Colonel John O'Neil of the Fews, and Lettice, daughter of Lord Blayney. From this marriage descended the Johnsons of Warrenstown, in Meath, and Sir W. G. Johnson, Baronet, of Twickenham. Thomas Fay having been attainted in 1691, settled in Damaelstown in Meath. 8. Martin, of Damaelstown and Carboggy: son of Thomas; married in 1709 Catherine, daughter of -------Malone, of Possextown (by Anne, daughter of Thomas Plunkett, Esq., of Possexstown and Gibstown); and dying in 1765 left issue- 1. Thomas, 2. Patrick, #. John. The eldest son, 9. Thomas, of Annsbrokk, and Mayo House, county of Meath, and of Drumherk, co. Cavan died January 31st, 1796, aged 86; leaving by his wife Katherine, daughter of Mr. Thomas Murray, two sons- 1.Patrick, who's issue is extinct in Ireland; and 2. John. 1. John, of Ballyhaise, who married, first in 1789, Miss O'Dowd, by whom he had one son, Thomas (of whom hereafter); and secondly, in 1797, Miss Brady, by whom he had James of Moyne Hall, and Patrick. James fay of Moyne hall died in 1863, leaving two sons-John of Moyne Hall who was High Sheriff of Cavin, in 1874; and Thomas, A.B., of Dublin and Heath Lodge. John of Ballyhaise died January 31st, 1836, aged 76. 11. Thomas Fay of Faybrook, co. Cavan, born 1794, and who died 1880, married Mary Herbert [V], only daughter of Patrick MacCabe, Esq., of Ballybay, and by her had four sons- 1. Patrick MacCabe Fay, Chevalier of the Legion of Honour; and 2. Thomas-Francis, of Trim; and 3. James-Henry Fay, J.P., of Faybrook, High Sheriff for co. Cavan in 1881; 4. Charles-Joseph Fay, who was High Sheriff for the co. Cavan; all living in 1887. Also three daughters- 1. Marianne-Frances, wife of Philip Smith, J.P., Arina, co.Cavan, and Colmanstown House, co. Galway; 2. Eleanore Gertrude (died in 1875), wife of John MacCarrick, Esq., of Cloonany House, county Sligo; 3. Margaretta S. Clare, widow of Francis O'Farrell, Esq., of Dublin. Footnotes: [I]. Fay:For further information respecting this family, see Manning and Bray's Surrey; De Roque's:An Ancient Maisons de la Normandy-Article: "Du Fay"; Calendar of Close Rolls, in the Tower of London; MS. Pedigrees, in Trinity College, Dublin; etc.. There was a branch of this family seated in the county Kildare, which for many generations occupied the position of political agents and confidential trustees to the Earls of Kildare. The head of this family, Nicholas Fay of Ballinure, was specially exempted from pardon for life or estate by Cromwell. Another branch of the family was seated in Trumroe, in Westmeath, which was very similiarly favored. Both these families appear to have recovered some part of their estates at the Restoration; as George Fay of Castlepollard whose will is dated in the same year, and preserved in the Registry of Deeds Office leaves a conditional bequest to his brother Michael "in case I (the Testator) should herafter enjoy my estate of Tromroy;" a condition of hope not unusual in the Jacobite Wills of the period. This George was the brother of the gallant Geoffrey Fay, Captain in Sir Neil O'Neil's Regiment of Horse, who gave the name to "Fay's Ford", on the Boyne, and who was popularily said to be be the last man (aided by his brother) who opposed the passing of the Williamite Army. Jeffrey was killed at the Battle of Assanno, in Italy in 1714. See letter preserved in the Archives of Franciscian Convent, Merchants Quay, Dublin. [II]. Bartanstown: On the 17th of May, 1680, Garret Fay of Dernegara, filed a Bill in Chancery against his youngest brother Thomas, for having entered into possesion of Comerstown, Ballindrian, and Bartanstown. The latter was thereupon bailed in the sum of L1,000 by Richard Barnewall, Darby Dunn, Michael Hall, and Nicholas Barnewall, all of the city of Dublin. From his grandson and namesake, Thomas Fay of Annsbrook and Mayo House, county of Meath, who settled in Cavan in 1780, descend the Fays of Faybrook and Moyne Hall in that county. [III]. Anne: By her second husband (Mr. Read of Dunboyne) Anna Fay (whose will was proved in 1735) left issue two co-heirs, of whom Jane m. Andrew Palles, of Mount Palles co. Cavan, ancestor of the Right Hon. the Chief Baron Palles, of Dublin, living in 1887. [IV]. Son: Edward Fay had daughters of whom Mary m. Oliver Nugent of Mabestown, who died in 1682, leaving Henry Nugent, who married Eleanore Burrowes of Stradone House, co. Cavan. [V]. This Mary Herbert MacCabe became sole heir of her father, whose maother was the daughter and heiress of Mr. Peter McMahon of Recane, county Monaghan, by Ellinor his wife, daughter of "The O'Duffy of Clontibret," by Mary, his wife, daughter of "The MacKenna of Trough" commonly called 'The Major" who was killed March 1689, defending the Fort of Drumbanagher, near Glaslough, for King James II. Mr. MacMahon of Rekane was nephew of Hugh MacMahon, Archbishop of Armagh (whose nephews, Bernard and Ross MacMahon, succeeded him in the primatial chair), and a grandson of Colla Dhu MacMahon, titular Lord of Darty, by Aileen, daughter of "The O'Reilly"-styled by Earl of Cavan, and niece of the great Owen Roe O'Neil. Colla Dhu was great-grandson of Sir Brian (MacHugh Oge) MacMahon, Lord of Darty, by Lady Mary O'Neil, daughter of Hugh, Earl of Tyrone-the unfortunate chief whose "Flight" gave facilities for the "Plantation of Ulster." See No. 127 in the "MacMahone" of Darty pedigree, Vol L. ********************************************************************** REFERENCES [1] The Norman Conquest: It's Setting and Impact, by Dorothy Whitelock, David Douglas, Charles Lemmon, Frank Barlow, intro by CT Chevallier, Charles Scribner's Sons, New York, 1966 [2] The Normans, The Men Who Made The English Speaking World, by Timothy Baker, McMillan Company, New York, 1966. [3] William the Conqueror, David C Douglas, University of California Press, 1964. [4] The Conquest of England, by John Richard Green, Harper & Brothers, New York. Undated (Preface dated 1883). [5] Blacks Law Dictionary, by Publishers Editorial Staff, West Publishing, St paul, MN, 1990 [6] Irish Pedigrees; or the Origin and Stem of the Irish Nation, by John O'Hart, 1923, Murphy and McCarthy, 86 Walker Street, New York. I hope that provides a few clues for some, Robert W. 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Since last posting on this subject, I have found further information on the Irish Fays and Faheys. There is an ancient Irish family by the name O'Faich. Over the years this name has been anglicized to both Fahey (and some similiar variants) and Fay. Other subscribers to this list can provide extensive information on this family (websites, mail list, etc) and I would invite them to do that as I am not very well versed on the Fahey history. There is a completely different family from ancient times in the Normandy and Picardy regions of France by the name of du Fay and de Fay, who were active in Norman activities, and have many recorded Norman charters both in France, and England following the conquest. Richard de Fay was a knight to de Lacy, Lord of Meath, according to the following article which was posted 1/30/00. The Norman lords including, prominently, Hugh de Lacy "conquered" Ireland in the years following the conquest of England. See http://www.emeraldgolf.com/music/history/normans,html for more information and details. And that is at least one of the conections between the Norman Fay's of France, England and Ireland. Bob Fay ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Robert W. Fay" <madgrad77@hotmail.com> Reply-To: Fay-L@rootsweb.com To: Fay-L@rootsweb.com Subject: The Normans & the French-Irish, and French-English Connection Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:48:53 CST Dear Listers, During the years that I have been working on the Fay's, there has always been somewhat of an open question as to the French (Norman) connection and as to the relationship of the English Fays to the Irish Fays. Mary Fay Nelson recently wrote of the contention some time ago that John Fay of Marlboro was a Huegonut and that was ultimately disproved. Now, while I do not suggest that I know the answer to the French connection, I have found an extensive reference that provides the historical context into which several Fay French, or more properly Norman connections could easily be postulated. This is not a primary source although many primary sources are cited. While it is a start, it hardly explores even on a cursory level this particular facet of Fay history, and I hope there are others as well who will further investigate this reference and other appropriate materials and find the answer to this perplexing question. I hope individuals that are interested can post their results here as they become available. This reference also deals with the Irish Fay/English Fay connection. So this topic has a broad base of interest to all Fay researchers. My purpose in posting this is: 1. To suggest that there are two completely separate FAY lines being discussed in this mail list and creating confusion. They are. A. A FAY line that originated in ancient Ireland as O'Fataigh, and was subsequently Anglicized to Fay, Fahy, and Fahie, and probably also includes O'Fahy, O'Feay, O'Fay and other similiar variants. Please see the posting forwarded to this mailing list by Pat Traynor and posted January 21, 2000 for more complete information on this FAY line. B. A FAY line which originated in Normandy as De Fay, Du Fay, and De La Fay, and was subsequently Anglicized to FAY. Members of this FAY line settled in England and Ireland subsequent to the Norman Conquest. 2. To suggest that the Norman Fay's adopted the surname Fay as a Norman place name, perhaps associated with a nearby beech or oak forest. 3. To suggest that the Norman Fay's are not of French (if there is such a thing) blood but more probably of Scandanavian blood, or perhaps Frankish blood, for several reasons: a. Because the Norman, English and Norman-Irish Fays were landed and therefore were related or in some other fashion closely associated with the ruling class, which was Scandanavian beginning with Rollo (Rolf) in 911, and before that Frankish, ending with Charles the Simple in 911 both in Normandy; and beginning with William the Conqueror in 1066 in England and Ireland. b. Because in the late Dave Fay's website, Dave makes the statement regarding John Erni Remick, a genealogist "John Erni Remick has found conections to William the Conqueror in France, but no bridge between France and Wales, or England has yet been established." But clearly, in the following account William De Fay of Hampshire, England is one and the same William De Fay of Barrentin, Roumare, St Jean-du-Cardanett and St Agnes, Normandy. And it would seem likely that further research into the other early English and Irish De Fay's mentioned in this reference were from Normandy as well. c. If the De Fays are related to William the Conqueror, and since William the Conqueror is directly related to both the Scandanvian Kings and the Old English Kings, it would make sense for the De Fay's to be found in the parts of England ruled by William as well as the parts ruled by the Danish. ********************************************************************** I didn't know anything, and still know very little, about the Norman conquest or feudal and pre-feudal Europe so I had to learn a little about that as well, and here is a very brief summary. ********************************************************************** NORMAN CONQUEST In 1066 Duke William of Normandy, France invaded and conquered England. My references say there was a small population of Normans in England before the Norman Conquest, but by 1087 there were 200,000 Normans, and 1,500,000 English. Following the conquest, the now King William the Conqueror had to repay the many Norman barons who supplied him with money, men and material for the Conquest which he did by awarding English Baronies. 92% of the land in England went to Norman hands following the Conquest. It would make sense for the Norman names to show up on the records of real estate transactions. It's also helpful to know that Normandy had been ruled by Scandanavians since Rollo in 911, and some "Normans" were actually of Scandanavian descent. Under Scandanavian rule, the abbeys in Normandy had been allowed to fall into disrepair, and the Normans during the later stages of Scandanvian rule gave tracts of land to the abbeys for rebuilding the religious institutions. It's also helpful to know that many Normans, beginning with King William and extending in the Barons and other nobility, preferred to spend their time in Normandy, and were only in England the minimum time needed to govern their territories. The office of Sherriff was elevated under Norman rule and had a variety of duties including fiscal and administrative duties to the Duchy. The Sheriff was most prominent because he dispensed justice in all cases in a shire except for the most important cases which were advanced to the Kings Court.The "Marches" are a series of military roads constructed in ancient times to allow the easy movement of troops.[1][2][3][4] I know that some will take issue, properly, with my little one paragraph summary of the Normans and Conquest, but this is a long posting even without it, and the only intent is to provide a little context and detail for the main posting. ********************************************************************** HELPFUL LEGAL DEFINITIONS and ABREVIATIONS Reference [5] Attorne: In old English law, an attorney. Charter: ...In old English law, a deed or other written instrument under seal; a conveyance, covenant, or contract. Effeoffment: The act of investing with any dignity or possession; also the instrument or deed by which a person is invested with possession. Escheat: A reversion of property to the state in consequence of a want of any individual competent to inherit. Escheat at feudal law was the right of the lord of a fee to re-enter the same when it became vacant by the extinction of the blood of a tenant. This extinction might either be "per defectum sanguinis" or else "per delictum tenentis", where the course of descent was broken by the corruption of the blood of the tenant. As the fee might be holden to the crown or to some inferior lord, the escheat was not always to the crown............ Esquire: In English law, a title of dignity next above a gentleman, and below knight. Also a title of office given to sheriffs, serjeants, and barristers at law, justices of the peace and others. Inter Alios: Between other persons; between those who are strangers to a matter in question. Inquisition post mortem: Probably refers to:"Inquisitio post mortem", an inquisition after death. An inquest of office held, during the continuance of military tenures, upon the death of every one of the Kings tenant's to inquire of what lands he died seised, who was his heir, and of what age, in order to entitle the king to his marriage, wardship, relief, primer seisin, or other advantages, as the circunstances of the case might turn out. Seneschal: In old European law, a title of office and dignity, derived from the Middle Ages, answering to that of steward or high steward in England. Seneschals were originally the lieutenants of the Dukes and other great feudatories of the kingdom, and sometimes had the dispensing of justice and high military commands. Seisin: ....The completion of the feudal investigation by which the tenant was admitted into the feud, and performed the rights of homage and fealty. "Primer seisin": In old English law, the right which the king had, when any of his tenants died seised of a knights fee, to receive of the heir, provided he were of full age, one whole years profits of the lands, if they were in immediate pssession; and half a years profits, if the lands were in reversion, expectant on an estate for life. Seized: ....The status of legally owning and possessing real estate. See "seisin" S.P.: Abbreviation of "sine prole", "without issue"..... Tail, estate in: An estate of inheritance, which instead of descending to heirs generally, goes to the heirs of the donee's body, which means his lawful issue, his children, and through them to his grandchildren in a direct line, so long as his posterity endures in a regular order and course of descent, and upon the death of the first owner without isue, the estate determines. "Tail Male": When certain lands are given to a person and the male heirs of his or her body. The female heirs are not capable of inheriting it. ********************************************************************** The following is copied in its entirety from reference [6] and has three basic sections: 1. Reference to various records in Normandy showing French Fay variants. 2. Reference to various documents in England and Ireland referencing various French Fay variants. 3. A pedigree referencing various additional French Fay variants and its eventual shortening to Fay, and covering the period of 1219-1875 The reference for the following is: "Irish Pedigrees; or the Origin and Stem of the Irish Nation" by John O'Hart, 1923, Murphy & McCarty, 86 Walker Street, New York. ********************************************************************** FAY [I] Arms: Vert a dexter arm issuant from the sinister side of the shield, and a sinister arm from the dexter, vested or cuffed ar. the hands ppr. grasping a sword erect of the third, pommel and hilt of the second, the blade thrust through a dragons head couped of the last. Crest: A dragons head couped or. Motto: Toujours fidele. The De Fays, or De La Fays are of frequent mention in the old Norman Charters, and even at the present day, the family has many representaives amongst the Gallic Nobility. The Viscounts De Latour Maubourg (from whom sprung the Princes D'Auvergne) are stated "to have assumed their sirnames from the Lordship of Fay in Picardy, of which they have been possessed at least as early as the year 1000;" while the Counts Mauleveru, the Counts De La-Grange, the Viscounts De La Faye De Bourbonais and Du Fai de Sauvernay, as well as the Irish Branch now under consideration,appear to have assumed theirs from the Fief of Fay, now in the Parish of St. Honorine-Du-Fay, in Normandy, which was possessed by the family at an equally remote period. Du Conge suggests that the local name "Fay" signified anciently, a Beech or Oak-wood; and that the Abbey of Silly, which was situate in the great forest of St Andre-en-Goufferin, near Fallaise, is styled indifferently in ancient documents "De Silva," "De Bosco", and De Faya". To this abbey in 1202, Garinus, Lord of Bello-Altairi, granted certain lands "heretofore held by W. D. Mandeville, Earl of Essex, of Robert De Fay, father of the said Garinus, as of his Fief of Bello Altari." To the neighboring Abbey of St Andre-en-Goufferin, Burgundian Du Fay, Lady of Harrier, made grants of lands; as did in 1225 Nicote, sister of Raoul Du Fay, which the latter confirmed as "dependant on his Fief of Fay, in the parish of St Honorine-Du-Fay," while Helie Du Fay made a similiar confirmation to the same Abbey, of lands in his Fay-du-Pre', in the parish of Villy. The first of the name Fay we meet in England is Radulphus or Ralph De Fay, or De La Fay, to whom Henry the II in 1154 granted the extensive Manor of Bromely, in Surrey. He held until the 19th of Henry II, when taking part with Prince Henry against his father, he was disseized, and Bromely was granted to Baldwin De Bethune. Afterwards it was again escheated when King John by charter, dated at Poiou, 4th December 1199, granted it to Ralph De Fay, the son, who, with many members of his family was then engaged in that monarchs service in France. This Ralph married Beatrix, sister and co heir of Stephen De Turnham, Seneschal of Poictou, and dying in 1222, left by her who remained with Hugh De Plaiz -John De Fay, his heir, on whose death s.p. in 1241, the Manor of Bromeley passed to his sister, Maud, who married first, William De Clere, and secondly, William De Braiose; and Phillipa, who married William De Neville. In 1215 King John commands De Podio, Seneschal of Angoule'me, "That you without delay cause to be seized into our hands, the land which belonged to William De Mastad, which came to our beloved and faithful William De Fay, in right of his wife, daughter, and heir of the said William De Mastad." In 1215, the said William De Fay, and Ralph, his brother had a grant of land in Hampshire, heretofore the estate of Robert De Mandville. In the same year King John granted to the said William De Fay, the lands of Barrentin, Roumare, St Jean-du-Cardonett, and St Agnes, in Normandy, a grant which was subsequently confirmed by Phillip Augustus. In 1225, William De Fay, electing to remain in Normandy, his lands at Polehampton, Hampshire, were confiscated. In 1208, King John confirms to "Peter De Fay, our Burgess of Rochelle, the reasonable gift made him by Ralph De Fay, of the office of 'Baker and Pasturer' of Rochelle, and of the Hundred Shillings rent in the 'Minages" of Rochelle, and in the Forty Schillings out of the house in Rochelle, wherein Elias gasket formerly had an exchange." The first mention of the name which we have discovered in Ireland is in 1219, when Richard De Fay, Knight of De Lacy, Lord of Meath, was sent by the latter on a mission to the King. About this time, Richard De Fay was seized of Mayneston, in Herefordshire, which is held of the Lord John Monmouth, by ancient enfeoffment. In 1220, Richard and Walter De Fay witness charters of the De Monmouth family, of which House, we may here observe, was Rosa De Monmouth, the first wife of Hugh De Lacy, the "Conqueror" of Meath. In 1281, the King notifies that Richard De Fay, remaining in Ireland, by the kings License, had attorned before him, Geoffreys Te Ireys, and Richard Pickeyleigh. (Pickeyleigh adjoins Maynestown in all pleas and plaints in England). In 1289, Theobald Le Verdon, Lord of the Western moiety of Meath, had a suit with Richard De Fay, concerning the lands of Tyrlicken, or Tyrkillen, in that county. During the course of the proceedings it was expressly stated, "that De Fay was then abroad in the Kings wars." In 1290, George De Fay was seized of premises in Kilmer, Donore, and Glackmore, in the Liberty of Trim, in right of his wife Isabella, daughter of Richard Fitz John, the fifth Baron of Delvin. In 1339, Walter Fitz George De Fay had a suit with his grandmother, Eglantine, widow of Lord Delvin, concerning the above lands, which she also claimed as daughter and heir of William Deweswell, of Deweswelltown, co. Dublin and Kilmer, co. Meath. Shortly after this, John Engelande (a Trustee) conveyed to Richard Fitz George De Fay, the estate of Comerstown, in the Barony of Fore, and of Mayestown, in the Barony of Moyashell, in "Tale Male"; with remainder to Roger De Fay-which Roger De Fay succeeded; and dying before 1380 was siezed, inter alios, of Comerstown, Ballindinam, and Bartanstown. [II} In 1384, his son, John Fitz Roger Fay of Dernegaran was plaintiff in a suit at Trim against George Fitz Walter Fay and Phillip Tuite, for having unlawfully dissiezed him of the above lands, and a verdict was given in his favour; whereupon the said George Fitz Walter appealed, on the grounds that the Jury who tried the case had not been fairly impaneled, "and by reason that Thomas Chamber, the Sheriff, had taken to wife Anne Dardis, cousin of said John Fay." thereupon a new Jury was ordered to be impanelled by the Keeper of the Kings Pleas, which confirmed the verdict of the first-mitigating, however, the damages against George Fitz Walter Fay, "by reason of his minority." In 1465, the Crown having raised some question as to the title of James Fay (son and heir of John Fitz Roger) to the Comerstown estate, he proved it (under the conveyance made by John Englande above cited) in a Parliment held in Trim in that year, in Drogheda in 1468, and in Dublin in 1469. He complains bitterly at being harrassed by this inquiry "that his lands were situate on the Marches, and that he had great trouble defending them against his own and the Kings enemies." This James, it is presumed, was the father of George Fay, who died in 1514, seized of Comerstown and Dernegara, as appears from an Inquisition post mortem, taken at Duleek in that year; and from whom th Pedigree is carried down to the present day, as follows: 1. George Fay of Dernegara, in Westmeath, born in 1435, died May 1514, leaving Gerald, his son, then aged 40; and married as appears from an Inquisition post mortem, taken at Ratoah. 2. Gerald Fay of Dernegara, who was engaged in the Rebellion of "Silken Thomas;" and dying in 1548, was succeeded by his son: 3. Gerald Fay of Dernegara, then aged 40, and married to Joan Fitzgerald by whom he had George, James of Comerstown, and Christopher. He was Sheriff of West Meath in 1565, and died in 1576. 4. George of Dernegara, son of Gerald, died vita Patris,leaving by Mary Fitzgerald, his wife, four sons- 1. Gerald, 2. George, 3. Redmond (all of whom died s.p.), and 4. Meyler. 5. Meyler, of Comerstown:son of George; married Margery Nugent, by whom he had an only son Edward; and dying Nov. 1627, was buried in the Abbey of Multifarnham. 6. Edward, of Garlandstown House and Dernegara: son of Meyler; married Eliza, daughter of Theobald Nugent, Esq., of New Haggard (by Mary, daughter of Nugent, of Carlanstown, ancestor of the extinct Earl Nugent). By this lady, Edward has six sons- 1. Garret, who left issue, Anne, who married Nicholas brother of the celebrated Father Aloyius Stafford, who was killed at Aughrim; and Captain George Fay, who had the benefit of the Articles of Limerick, and thereby saved the Garlandstown estate, which descended to his daughters and co-heiresses (Mrs Kenedy and Mrs. Lessac); 2. Meyler, died s.p.; 3. Stephan, a priest died s.p.; 4. Anthony, died s.p.; and 6. Thomas. Edward Fay, taking a very active part in the troubles of 1641, had his estate confiscated by Cromwell. On the Restoration, this settlement is recited in the Decree dated March 1663, restoring a portion of the property to Richard Nugent as trustee for the four surviving sons of Edward Fay, viz: 1. Garret, of whom presently; 2. Meyler of Comerstown, who died s.p. in 1688; 3. Stephan, a priest who died in 1687; Thomas of Togher, of whom hereafter. The eldest son, Garret, resided at the Castle of Dernegaragh, and, dying in April 1687, left: 1. Mary, married to Luke Cashell, gent. of Sturrock, in Louth, and of Down, in Westmeath; 2. Anne, [III] who married first, Nicholas Stafford, and, secondly, Nicholas Read, Esq., of Dunbyne; 3. George Fay, of Garlandstown, a Captain of Foot in the service of King James II, who having been included in the Articles of Limerick, saved the estate, which in 1730 was in possession of his daughters and co-heirs, Mrs. Kenedy and Mrs. Lessac. Edward Fay d. in March 1685, and the male line of the family was continued by his youngest son.[IV] 7. Thomas Fay, of Dernegara, who married (in 1660), Anne, sister of ------Blake, Esq., of Castletown, by whom he had three sons- 1. Martin; 2. John Mo'r; 3. Thomas Mo'r; and a daughter Frances, who married Owen Johnson, Esq., alias MacShane, son of Colonel John O'Neil of the Fews, and Lettice, daughter of Lord Blayney. From this marriage descended the Johnsons of Warrenstown, in Meath, and Sir W. G. Johnson, Baronet, of Twickenham. Thomas Fay having been attainted in 1691, settled in Damaelstown in Meath. 8. Martin, of Damaelstown and Carboggy: son of Thomas; married in 1709 Catherine, daughter of -------Malone, of Possextown (by Anne, daughter of Thomas Plunkett, Esq., of Possexstown and Gibstown); and dying in 1765 left issue- 1. Thomas, 2. Patrick, #. John. The eldest son, 9. Thomas, of Annsbrokk, and Mayo House, county of Meath, and of Drumherk, co. Cavan died January 31st, 1796, aged 86; leaving by his wife Katherine, daughter of Mr. Thomas Murray, two sons- 1.Patrick, who's issue is extinct in Ireland; and 2. John. 1. John, of Ballyhaise, who married, first in 1789, Miss O'Dowd, by whom he had one son, Thomas (of whom hereafter); and secondly, in 1797, Miss Brady, by whom he had James of Moyne Hall, and Patrick. James fay of Moyne hall died in 1863, leaving two sons-John of Moyne Hall who was High Sheriff of Cavin, in 1874; and Thomas, A.B., of Dublin and Heath Lodge. John of Ballyhaise died January 31st, 1836, aged 76. 11. Thomas Fay of Faybrook, co. Cavan, born 1794, and who died 1880, married Mary Herbert [V], only daughter of Patrick MacCabe, Esq., of Ballybay, and by her had four sons- 1. Patrick MacCabe Fay, Chevalier of the Legion of Honour; and 2. Thomas-Francis, of Trim; and 3. James-Henry Fay, J.P., of Faybrook, High Sheriff for co. Cavan in 1881; 4. Charles-Joseph Fay, who was High Sheriff for the co. Cavan; all living in 1887. Also three daughters- 1. Marianne-Frances, wife of Philip Smith, J.P., Arina, co.Cavan, and Colmanstown House, co. Galway; 2. Eleanore Gertrude (died in 1875), wife of John MacCarrick, Esq., of Cloonany House, county Sligo; 3. Margaretta S. Clare, widow of Francis O'Farrell, Esq., of Dublin. Footnotes: [I]. Fay:For further information respecting this family, see Manning and Bray's Surrey; De Roque's:An Ancient Maisons de la Normandy-Article: "Du Fay"; Calendar of Close Rolls, in the Tower of London; MS. Pedigrees, in Trinity College, Dublin; etc.. There was a branch of this family seated in the county Kildare, which for many generations occupied the position of political agents and confidential trustees to the Earls of Kildare. The head of this family, Nicholas Fay of Ballinure, was specially exempted from pardon for life or estate by Cromwell. Another branch of the family was seated in Trumroe, in Westmeath, which was very similiarly favored. Both these families appear to have recovered some part of their estates at the Restoration; as George Fay of Castlepollard whose will is dated in the same year, and preserved in the Registry of Deeds Office leaves a conditional bequest to his brother Michael "in case I (the Testator) should herafter enjoy my estate of Tromroy;" a condition of hope not unusual in the Jacobite Wills of the period. This George was the brother of the gallant Geoffrey Fay, Captain in Sir Neil O'Neil's Regiment of Horse, who gave the name to "Fay's Ford", on the Boyne, and who was popularily said to be be the last man (aided by his brother) who opposed the passing of the Williamite Army. Jeffrey was killed at the Battle of Assanno, in Italy in 1714. See letter preserved in the Archives of Franciscian Convent, Merchants Quay, Dublin. [II]. Bartanstown: On the 17th of May, 1680, Garret Fay of Dernegara, filed a Bill in Chancery against his youngest brother Thomas, for having entered into possesion of Comerstown, Ballindrian, and Bartanstown. The latter was thereupon bailed in the sum of L1,000 by Richard Barnewall, Darby Dunn, Michael Hall, and Nicholas Barnewall, all of the city of Dublin. From his grandson and namesake, Thomas Fay of Annsbrook and Mayo House, county of Meath, who settled in Cavan in 1780, descend the Fays of Faybrook and Moyne Hall in that county. [III]. Anne: By her second husband (Mr. Read of Dunboyne) Anna Fay (whose will was proved in 1735) left issue two co-heirs, of whom Jane m. Andrew Palles, of Mount Palles co. Cavan, ancestor of the Right Hon. the Chief Baron Palles, of Dublin, living in 1887. [IV]. Son: Edward Fay had daughters of whom Mary m. Oliver Nugent of Mabestown, who died in 1682, leaving Henry Nugent, who married Eleanore Burrowes of Stradone House, co. Cavan. [V]. This Mary Herbert MacCabe became sole heir of her father, whose maother was the daughter and heiress of Mr. Peter McMahon of Recane, county Monaghan, by Ellinor his wife, daughter of "The O'Duffy of Clontibret," by Mary, his wife, daughter of "The MacKenna of Trough" commonly called 'The Major" who was killed March 1689, defending the Fort of Drumbanagher, near Glaslough, for King James II. Mr. MacMahon of Rekane was nephew of Hugh MacMahon, Archbishop of Armagh (whose nephews, Bernard and Ross MacMahon, succeeded him in the primatial chair), and a grandson of Colla Dhu MacMahon, titular Lord of Darty, by Aileen, daughter of "The O'Reilly"-styled by Earl of Cavan, and niece of the great Owen Roe O'Neil. Colla Dhu was great-grandson of Sir Brian (MacHugh Oge) MacMahon, Lord of Darty, by Lady Mary O'Neil, daughter of Hugh, Earl of Tyrone-the unfortunate chief whose "Flight" gave facilities for the "Plantation of Ulster." See No. 127 in the "MacMahone" of Darty pedigree, Vol L. ********************************************************************** REFERENCES [1] The Norman Conquest: It's Setting and Impact, by Dorothy Whitelock, David Douglas, Charles Lemmon, Frank Barlow, intro by CT Chevallier, Charles Scribner's Sons, New York, 1966 [2] The Normans, The Men Who Made The English Speaking World, by Timothy Baker, McMillan Company, New York, 1966. [3] William the Conqueror, David C Douglas, University of California Press, 1964. [4] The Conquest of England, by John Richard Green, Harper & Brothers, New York. Undated (Preface dated 1883). [5] Blacks Law Dictionary, by Publishers Editorial Staff, West Publishing, St paul, MN, 1990 [6] Irish Pedigrees; or the Origin and Stem of the Irish Nation, by John O'Hart, 1923, Murphy and McCarthy, 86 Walker Street, New York. I hope that provides a few clues for some, Robert W. 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Hello Fay Family Researchers, Does anyone link to the Edward Fay (b. 1802 , County Queens, Ireland d. 1874) & Margaret Brophy Fay (b. 1817 in Ireland d, 1895) of Oceola, Livingston County, MI? I know they were in Madison, Indiana in 1843 & in Oceola in 1844. Children of Edward & Margaret: James - b. 1841 d. 1872 ( born in Indiana according to the 1850 census) Catherine - b. 1843 d. 1927 ( born in Indiana according to her bible, 1850 census, Madison , IN. in Obit) Peter b. - 1844 d. 1911 - Born in MI ( ALL births that following are MI) Mary Ann - b. 1847 Margaret - b. 1849 William - b 1851 d. 1939 Eliza - b. 1852 Susan - b. 1854 d. 1864 Edward - b 1858 Anna Eliza - b 1860 d 1890 Julia - b. 1861 d. 1870 Martha - b. 1864 It appears from some of the information I have obtained, the spelling of the last name appears as Fahey. At the cemetery plot, St. John's ...Some are inscribed as Fay and some Fahey? My great grandmother is Catherine, in her bible she has her name written as Fahey, yet in her obit it's Fay? Any comments on the spelling variations would be appreciated. Thanks! Sheila Byrne Also Researching: Riley & Brady in Livingston County, MI

Hello everyone, I am new to this list and would like to introduce myself. My name is Cary Williams from Cincinnati, OH I am researching my FEY ancestors from Oldenburg, mainly the Bundenbach region. I figured since we could keep it together in soundex researchs.. this list might help us track the FEY also.. Nicholas Fey, born 1823 is my ancestor from Oldenburg, his wife Katharina Bittlinger was also from Bundenbach. They died in Cincinnati before 1900...Well Katharina died in 1908 actually in Cincinnati.. I have a list of their children and my grandmother, Esther Marie Fey Williams still is well and kicking in Cincinnati at the grand age of 87 years.. Her sister Ruth is 89 and Virginia is 82... Hope to hear from other FEY descendants and kin.. Thanks for reading my post.. Regards.. Cary Williams Indianapolis, IN ICQ 20305747 http://www.1freespace.com/caryrussell/ Have a great one.. The page listed above is a work in progress

Hi everyone, There is a new website devoted to the history of Marlborough which contains extensive information on the town from the earliest times. There are numerous referrals to the various Fays in the area, as well as Fay histories and genealogies. Find it at: http://genweb.net/History-of-Marlboro/ Bob Fay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hello, While researching my John Charles FAY, I received this obit for J.C. FAY from Eddy County ND, the son of Benjamin T. FAY who is listed in the OPF book on page 96. I was not able to connect, but thought someone else might need the information. Pamela Carico Friday, January 5, 1940 PIONEER BUILDER OF EDDY COUNTY DIED NEW YEARS Death Comes to J.C. Fay, 79, Without Warning at Half Past One Monday Afternoon CORONARY ATTACK WAS FATAL WITHIN MINUTES Large Concourse at the Funeral Services Held in Methodist Church on Thursday Funeral services were conducted in the Methodist church here Thursday for J. C. Fay, 79, whose death occurred Monday afternoon at half past one from a coronary attack, the attack coming without warning as he had been enjoying unusually good health up to within a very short time prior to the attack. The funeral services were in charge of Rev. C. W. Baumann, pastor of the church, and musical numbers were given by a mixed quartette composed of Miss Dorothy Culp, Mrs. Jacob Haas, Charles Culp and Valentine Wagner, the quartette singing "Jesus, Lover of My Sout" and "beautiful Isle of Somewhere" and Miss Culp sang a solo, "The Old Rugged Cross." Burial was in Prairie Home cemetery north of this city, pall bearers being Frank Fahrer, George H. Dunham, A.W. Dahlquist, Edgar P. Mattson, P.E. Trudeau and A. C. Olsen with Hugh Peoples, P.M. Mattson, L. D. Hart, A. L. Potvin, Matt Fautsch and H. D. McCoy as honorary pall bearers. John Charles Fay was born in Rockford, Illinois, on December 14, 1860, later moving with his parents to Mendota, Illinois, where he received his grade and high school education and following his high school graduation he attended the Bryant & Stratton business college in Chicago. On October 27, 1880 he was united in marriage to Miss Carrie E. Bockoven at Mendota, Illinois, and to this union two sons were born, Charles, who passed away at the age of twelve years in 1891 and Ben T., who survives and is now a resident of Rocky Mountain House, Alberta. Two grandchildren and three great grandchildren also survive, the grandchildren being Mrs. T. C. Murphy, of Vancouver, British Columbia, and Charles V. Fay, Rocky Mountain House, Alberta. In the winter of 1883 stories of the wonders of the Dakota prairies with their rich, fertile soil brought the young couple and their two sons to Jamestown in April of that spring and they made the trip to what is now Cherry Lake township in the historic covered wagon. There, in company with his father, Benjamin T. Fay, he started a large cattle ranch which he operated for ten years, the family going thru all the trials and tribulations incident to pioneer life. Interested in the civic welfare of his community, Mr. Fay early became bound up with all movements of a civic nature and was identified with the organization of Eddy County in 1885 and in the fall of 1892 was elected sheriff, taking over this office and holding it for the statutory limit of four years. Upon being elected to the office of sheriff he at once began the erection of the cottage which has been the home of the couple ever since they moved into it in the winter of 1893 except for a period of ten years - 1904 to 1914 - during which time they resided in Canada and on the Pacific coast. Prior to going to Canada he was interested in a grocery and meat market business on the location now occupied by the new Dodds' Standard service station, interest in which he sold before going to Canada. Returning to New Rockford in 1914 he was manager of the James Valley Grain company for a period of over ten years. For many years past he has filled the position of superintendent of city parks and for the past five years has been secretary of the New Rockford Townsend Club - holding both positions at the time of his death. He was a charter member of Rockford Lodge, Ancient Order of United Workmen, and filled all the offices of that organization at various times during his younger days. During the past five years he has been intensely interested in the passage of some form of old age pension and has been an indefatigable worker in the local old-age pension club and much of its success as an organization and power for furthering that movement in this sate was due to his unrelenting efforts. A good friend and neighbor has gone on in the person of "Charlie" Fay, and the entire county mourns.

Hi Jim, As it happens, I grew up in Kenosha, and live nearby, and run their mail list! Lyman is well known in Kenosha history as I can recall seeing the name frequently at the library. I will have to get the details to post, but it would appear you found a new link. When I find the details I'll go ahead and post them here. Would you mind if I reposted your note to the Kneosha list? (copyright requires permission!) Bob Fay ----Original Message Follows---- From: "FAY LIST" <postingsonly@hotmail.com> To: madgrad77@hotmail.com Subject: Fwd: [FAY] Lyman FAY & Mary BORROUGHS OH>WI Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:58:52 CDT ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jim Shreve Sr." <gemon_hammersmythe@ameritech.net> Reply-To: "Jim Shreve Sr." <gemon@unforgettable.com> To: FAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [FAY] Lyman FAY & Mary BORROUGHS OH>WI Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:40:37 -0400 Morning all, I know there are some Wisconson FAY's on the list. I've just comes across information that may be helpful to you, as well as me. According to "Pioneer Families of Cleveland, Ohio 1796-1840 Volume 1" Mary BORROUGHS, daughter of David BORROUGHS Jr. & Clara EDWARDS, married Lyman FAY, her aunt Rhoda's stepson. They removed to Kenosha, Wisconsin. I did some cross-checking in the book for the EDWARDS name, Rhoda EDWARDS first married Lymon RHODES and second John FAY. I know the book in is error with the first name of her second husband. Her second husband was Benejah FAY (OPF 95). Benejah FAY did indeed have a son named Lyman FAY (b. 10-6-1815) This may be a missing link for someone out there. if you link with this son of Benejah FAY, by all means let me know. I can go back and get further information on the other direct lines (BORROUGHS, EDWARDS) as well for those who may want it. Enjoy, Jim SHREVE Sr. ============================== Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com