hello list, This all reminds me of a story that I heard, way back when Bruce was just a baby. It is best told to a room full of people, and it starts out like this: John, the old farmer was driving his donkey to town on a hot day and the donkey asked if he could have a drink of water. (This donkey talks.) John said "Patience, you ass." A half mile later the donkey again asks for a drink of water, and again John says, "Patience, you ass." You keep repeating that last line long enough and finally someone will say something, like "Why don't you get on with it", or "Give the poor donkey a drink" To which the teller replies, "Patience, you ass!" ------------------------- Not directed to anyone in particular, except that Ted gets picked on for asking first. I thought of today, being the 20th and the release date and just knew that someone would mention it. (I actually thought of the story before Ted's post got here. I am sorry that my mind works that way, I just can't hepit.) You might think this is off subject, but I call it an analogy. The Family-Origins-Users-Mailing list administrator Alfred D Eller